I don't think we went to the moon.

Personally, me either.

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Yes, the space race. But I'm sure there were other reasons too. Maybe someone on here has a better answer than just Space Race.

Look at us now. 60 years later still believing a lie if true. I think our world would be alot different if they came out and just said we cant leave earth

I think the truth will come out one day.

Distraction from the Vietnam war. If you got back to the dates of the moon launches, there were major escalations on the ground with huge casualties for Vietnamese that got buried inside the paper with each moon launch.

Read Dave McGowan's "Wagging the Moondoggie." He's got a section about that.

Okay. Thank you. I knew there were other reasons for faking the moon landing, just couldn't think of them. Thanks!

The idea that a major enemy, which is what Soviet Union was considered to be, had a serious technological superiority as was revealed with the launching of Sputnik, especially when it came to having far bigger missiles capable of lifting much bigger payloads and carrying them over far greater distances had to be countered in some way.

After all the US had been positioning itself as being ready to fully engage in all out nuclear war with the Soviets as if it could be handily won when that advanced capability on their part came to light. How the Soviets had managed what the US couldn't and still can't in many instances is still something of a mystery even today.

The only exception to that seemed to be the Saturn rocket that presumably took the US to the Moon, but was it really as powerful as they claimed it was and did it really do that?

the idea of a space race is nonsense, as both countries are in collusion. the entire purpose is to make you think it's PHYSICAL.

More reasons than that.

Dig deeper

To fake the picture of the globe earth.

I think we did, and something told us we better not do it again.

So the Moon People told us, "Don't come back here!"

Lol!

Yeah man, I would think after achieving such feat, we'd wanna make more rounds and study the fucking thing. Someone, or thing is obstructing the final frontier!

They don't want us leaving...

For me its the lunar buggies. So after a trip or two we transported 3 moon dude buggies up there just so we could cut up some moon sand? Seems pretty silly. I wonder if pics show all 3 are really the same vehicle....and why not just transport up a new battery, why 3 whole vehicles at 500lbs+ each...that seems completely stupid now that I think about it.

The consensus will always be yes. Anything short of that is subject to interpretation.

There's certainly enough reasons to doubt the moon landing.

No

No, it's complete bullshit. I always go back to my favorite go-to arguments, but the other day I simply watched several minutes of footage from the original Apollo 17 mission. It's really just so comical and stupid. It looks exactly like some people fucking around on a movie set.

People just don't watch the original footage. Most people haven't thought about the Apollo missions in at least a decade.

The press conference upon returning to earth they look depressed as fuck.

Yo, internet, can we get a link to that press conference video please... because my lazy ass isn't going to look for it, but I remember seeing it years ago and I think that was the nail in the coffin for me. Just an instant, solid conviction like... yeah - they absolutely not just go to the moon and back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_ZehPOMwI

Highly recommend 48:30. "I don't remember seeing any stars"

that's literally not the right way to say that

Neil Armstrong in a later speech: " remove the protective layer of Truth if you want to discover anything"...

Hmmm

Fuck. Which speech is this? Can you link it?

https://youtu.be/jkdc5bkTMwc

Thank you. A lot

Lol are you talking about that one vid where the dude narrating super imposes frames of supposed different areas of the moon after traveling quiet some distance? Revealing that it's like the same looking set with the same hills and moon rocks in the same place lol

Specifically I'm thinking of a scene where one of the astronauts says something about getting a drink of cold water for a second and he gets a water bottle, then the camera goes off of him, and when it comes back he throws the bottle literally into the air. Littering on the moon. And it makes you wonder how he drank it through his space suit. For some reason I can't find the specific clip. But when I locate the time stamp from the Apollo 17 mission I'll probably make it a post. It's that goofy.

hmm... are you sure you aren't talking about some funny blooper thingy? That sounds hilarious lol

You didn't go with them so it didn't happen. Brilliant.

So, I had to sit through a lecture by a man who worked on the apollo program last week. Norman Chaffee.

He wouldn't answer questions about it. All he had to say was that Russia sent Sputnik up, and we had to prove we were better.

The rest of his lecture was all about the importance of fitting in with your colleagues.

Thats queer.

Lol everything I hear about it points to it being fake. Including the dodgy-ness of all the people that were involved whenever asked questions about it.

I actually interviewed a guy that worked for Northrop Grumman on the Gemini and Apollo program. He had way more to say about the Gemini days when it came to details. His work with the Apollo program was all from the control room, with no hands on work with the rockets, capsules, anything. He told me that it was pretty compartmentalized, you worked with your team and that was it.

That's really interesting to me.

The most common rationale I hear about debunking the moon landing is that so many people would have to be in on it.

I don't think that's true.

If what mr Chaffee said about fitting in being the most important aspect was true, and the man you spoke to was correct in saying it was all about teamwork, I doubt you'd have much questioning of the narrative.

And don't forget! They can't seem to figure out whether or not stars are visible in space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcwW-8CC6E

Cameras man.

Understanding how they work is like brain surgery.

Yes, we did. It's entirely plausible that we told some lies early on, but we definitely went there. People get hung up on the idea that we lost the technology. It's really not that simple. The biggest thing we are missing today is the heavy launch power of the Saturn V. This is mostly a political issue since NASA gets their mandate and funding at the whims of Congress. Their budget goes almost entirely to climate science and LEO activities. The planetary science and exploration budgets are so small. Robotic missions are so much cheaper and easier, by several orders of magnitude.

The moon missions could be rebuilt, but the manufacturing world has changed so much that it would be prohibitively expensive to recreate everything the way it was, and stupid to do because we could do so much better with a fresh design using modern electronics and precision engineering that wasn't conceivable in the 1960s. All it would take is the political will to make it happen.

Wish I could give this more upvotes, I lose it inside when I see people going off about "how did we lose the technology"...we didn't lose it, you ignoramus, the personnel who ran the programs and built the equipment are probably long dead, the design itself is more than 60 years outdated and behind 40+ years on manufacturing standards, it's not that we CAN'T make it again we would just have to completely rebuilt the old assembly materials to do it. Honestly it's easier to just design a new updated one, and soon it'll just be easiest to pay for a spot on a SpaceX BFR

Seems like we should be training for Mars stuff on the moon. We should have had a continuous dialogue with the moon. It seems inconceivable that we get there then just drop it.

its easier to go to the pinewood studios down the road than to the moon, no van allen belts to worry about.

No definitely not

Add in playtex the bra manufacturer produced the Apollo spacesuits lol....

So you mean a huge company with the textile research and manufacturing capability?

Yes the research into bras that translates directly into spacesuits lol

Actually that would be the textile research, manufacturing capability which went into things like war materiel, fabrics and industrial use.

Are you that much of an ignorant sap that you think the playtex mother company only ever made bras?

Playtex was not the first choice of the favorite to win the bidding for the contract, they were an underdog and only got their suit chosen because one other had the helmet explode and the second competitor couldn't fit through the capsule door. They were the underdog and basically the only one, and they created the suit in like six weeks, you seriously have to be a mindless simpleton if you can believe that tale lol.

you seriously have to be a mindless simpleton if you can believe that tale lol.

lovely statement.

I see it's based in absolutely but your own incredulity.

Laughable you buy this baloney,

I see you're unable to actually make a statement contrary.

take off the rose colored glasses and use your thinking cap, its ridiculous.

So you mean a huge company with the textile research and manufacturing capability?

Man what I would give the be so naive to think in six weeks a car mechanic and a former television repairman led a team of bra seamstresses in a furious mission to create the Apollo spacesuit hah, that shit is rich.

Oh yes, by that you mean a leading textile company with huge industrial capacity and history of developing materiel the US military? Oh yeah and one of their umbrella companies makes bras.

Even the Thumbnail of the video you linked shows what is meant. The keyword is "anymore". All High Thrust High Payload rockets, i.e. Saturn 5, who'd be capable of carrying a capsule with multiple astronauts to the moon have been reused or recycled after the Apollo program ended.

If you give NASA the funds, time and resources they could design and build a rocket that can reach the moon again.

Does no one else build rockets? How do astronauts currently get into space? Wtf is Elon Musk doing? Did he just launch a luxury car to friggin Mars? Such waste.

Afaik ESA does, NASA does too and of Course Space X.

We have PROTON for Russia, Fslcon Heavy for SpaceX, Arriane 6 for ESA, and one for NASA which I can't remember right now. All Heavy Lift Rockets used to bring satellites into Geostationary Orbits. And with some adjustment probably also capable of bringing people to the moon.

Currently astronauts really only need to feach the ISS. And for that you can use weaker rockets since it's on a LEO.

Musk is developing reusable rockets, or rocket boosters and stages. Quite a big step in making space travel more affordable.

Also, the Tesla launch wasn't a waste of money. It was for one a test to see if the Falcon Heavy was capable of lifting a payload, normally concrete weights are used as a dummy payload when testing new rockets. On the other hand it was also a publicity stunt. I mean, what gets more attention than saying "Hey, we're gonna launch a car towards Mars, stuffed full with little jokes and a mannequin wearing a fancy spacesuit."

Thx, fascinating stuff.

No problem. I'd love to work for ESA or NASA, just not smart enough for it.

I'm guessing you haven't seen the analysis of the Stanley Kubrick's shining. In this movie there are several points where he diverges completely from the book. Interestingly enough, many of these points seem to be clues about his involvement in filming the "moon landings" http://whale.to/c/secrets_of_the_shining.html

Yeah, we did.

We left a mirror at the lunar landing site that we bounce a laser off of daily to measure the speed at which the moon is moving away from us. You can see the flag and the base of the landing module with a strong enough telescope, and the technology to fake the shadows didn't exist in the 60's so we'd either have to actually go to the moon, or put a very powerful light source miles away from the set for the shadows to appear parallel.

There is so much supporting documentation for what we did in the form of maintenance requirement cards or computer code that it would have been easier to actually go to the moon than fake it.

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I think the truth will come out one day.