they are going to tare you apart and deflect on your use of the term assault rifle, even though they know exactly what you mean, they will play dumb and call you the idiot

*tear

Why argue semantics when there are far better arguments to be made?

I agree, but that is always the base deflection base. "Its a bunch of plastic to make it look scary" is what it always comes down to. And that post has already made an appearance here. But that's the argument everyone wants to have for some reason

assault rifle

I don't know what OP means. What do you mean? A rifle that isn't bolt action?

they will play dumb and call you the idiot

I'm not calling you an idiot. I'm asking you to define 'assault rifle' because you are confident that it means something and I'm curious what it means to you. AR-15 is basically a brand name or design characteristic like Gran Touring (GT) for cars. What is the specific thing you would ban for AR-15 type rifles? The semi-auto part of it? The magazine? The rifle barrel?

^ this comment is exactly what I'm talking about. You knew exactly what OP was talking about when they used assault riffle, but you played dumb and call you the idiot. "Because if you ban AR-15s, your just banning the name of a gun."

Maybe I'm the only one here that is willing to say that the cost of having the 2nd amendment as it is, is the cost of dead children and innocent people in the public. That's just where we are and there is no other pass.

If I say that long riffles should only be bolt action, you'll cry muh! tyranny! and then ramble on about mental health, but offer ZERO ideas on what that would even look like, and I never see any guns rights advocates also advocating for universal healthcare.

So how's that for a trade? You can have all the guns you want to build yourself a bullet box bunker, brick by brick if we can also have healthcare like every other first world country on this earth.

ramble on about mental health, but offer ZERO ideas on what that would even look like

This is exactly my criticism of you. What specifically does an assault weapon ban look like? Am I really being an ass for asking you right after you claim that I know what you mean?

I'm not calling for an assault weapon ban. I'm calling for you to step up and outline what you think is a fair solution, because I don't think there is one. But you want to play semantics as a gatekeeper rather than inform and propose your ideas. So what is you idea

I don't have one either. I don't think its semantics tho. He could have done this with a semi-auto pistol that held 10 rounds. Talking about "assault weapons" is like saying you want to ban "good guns". I think the only ban that would actually make a difference is to limit a gun to holding 3 bullets or to ban all semi-autos, which would basically outlaw every gun in existence. I'd certainly prefer it if states were allowed to regulate as they want without the federal government stopping them, but how does that work with the rest of the US constitution? Honestly, repealing the 2nd amendment is the only solution. Let states figure it out.

you know OP is talking about the AR-15

I started reading through your old posts and found this

I'm no hoax. 100% know a woman that died in Vegas. You're crazy man.

So your dad is a teacher in that community and you know a woman who died in the vegas shooting? Let me guess, you also know someone who died in sandy hook?

I know people who were in Vegas during that event and within an hour of this school shooting in Florida and I don't live in either of those states. It's not uncommon to know people from all over the place.

Especially with social media keeping old friends and distant family in touch way more than before.

Shills exist. Like it or not it's reality. And when people continue to argue facts that don't exist, despite being linked to evidence that contradicts the disinformation they're dispensing, it's obvious what the motive is. Shills are real. EVERYONE is trying to control what we think. Even on Reddit.

You know people that died in both events?

Oh, well I was talking to the other guy, but thanks for the info.

No? Did I say that or even hint that? I said I knew people who were in the area when both happened.

I know people in Florida and people in Vegas as well, but the point posed by the previous user is the extreme odds of knowing victims from both events.

Extreme? Have you actually calculated the odds or are you just making shit up?

Say you lived in San Francisco and knew 100 people. You go for a walk for an hour. You would think your odds of meeting someone you know are 300/800,000... right?

Well, they are actually closer to 1/10. Most people do not understand odds like this. For example, if a person lived in the same Florida town, and was a huge country music fan, the odds that they would know someone who was in Vegas and another involved in this school shooting are much higher than the odds that someone from another town that hated country music.

Besides OP never claimed to know victims in both cases. He said his (her?) father was a teacher in the same community, and he knew someone that died in Vegas.

Oh, I run into people randomly that I know all the time. OP has since clarified that he has more separation from both events than I currently understood. This thread has been going on for a really long time.

Wtf some people in this sub actually have multiple friends ?

It's impossible to know if any particular user is a shill, but it's pretty obvious that there are a large number of them. Shills could easily be responsible for >25% of comments in major subreddits with even a hint of political flavor.

that's exactly what a shill would want you to think.../s

It's all bait mate. Report posts like this.

Of course, why not? He also found both of the magical passports on 911.

Your cousin was a first responder at Sandy Hook?

You're pretty much calling him a shill cause you don't believe they know people.

That isn't what shill means.

Anyone you don't believe is a shill on this sub. You never notice how often that word is thrown around when people don't agree?

You didn't even get the ad hominem correct. It is "anyone I don't agree with is a shill", and even that isn't true, it is just regurgitated crap.

You as in anyone saying it, not you personally...

STFU & GTFO

LOL - no one threw that term around but you!!!

Yes. No one on this sub has every used that term except me.

Dude... stop lying... we all know no one in Broward County likes country music... they'd never go to a Country Music Festival! /s

The purpose of these hoaxes is not gun control It's to cause this exact sort of division. They just want everyone in fear and arguing over this topic since it's a strong and emotional dialectic for those still believing politics is anything but a show.

I'm disappointing people are posting political bullshit about guns and trump sleeping with porn stars on this sub. What't the conspiracy?

^

Yup... this isn't the place.

The anti-lgbtq narrative is another new and disappointing trend on this sub.

Didn’t know you had to be a bigot to have an inquisitive mind against the powers that be.

The internet brings out the absolute worse in people.

worst*

yah man.

lots of liars who can't substantiate their stories.

Have you ever considered that THIS is the way people really are?

Seriously, who gets mad at someone for expressing their opinion on a sub like this? If they don’t agree, isn’t that the point? Aren’t we supposed to discuss alternate agendas and our thoughts about what’s happening in the world and what it may mean?

what anti LGBTQ narrative?????

That's bullshit.

I’ve seen 3 posts referring to transgenders as “transmutants” and “retards”

really? actual posts?

it shouldn't be too hard to substantiate that would it?

why haven't you?

No, I’m just lying to start drama and stir the pot.

/s

yes, 3 real posts. One of the users I blocked so I can’t find their vile post anymore. Other posts seem to be deleted after a while. I’m assuming that is due to the fact they’re calling people transmutants.

well I'll tell you what... I've just searched the entire sub for anything similar to what you mentioned.

Nada. Zip. Nothing.

So what gives? You blocked one guy (convenient), what about the others?

PS - I don't believe you. I'm here all the fucking time and I've never seen anything approaching the bullshit you are suggesting.

https://www.reddit.com/prefs/blocked/

Should be pretty easy to find if you blocked them recently. If it was a while ago, I'm not sure what your point is.

Come over to the Donald. We LOVE Milo. It's a very accepting community. Only rule is not to bad mouth Trump.

Trump sleeping with Stormy story could involve breaking of campaign finance rules so it belongs here. I think politicians breaking the law deserve a place in a conspiracy sub.

Its closer to appropriate than a lot of the other political stuff. Still a stretch for me though.

The penalty for which is a fine less than $130,000 for Michael Cohen if it’s true.

I think the precedent was set with John Edwards not guilty verdict. We'll have to see how it plays out, I guess.

And mistrials on the other 5 counts.

And, ironically, a government full of Republicans that went on record saying the whole thing was a waste of time and money.

you seem to have stepped into that role yourself. lol.

Mass media takeover by promoting sex and Violence?

I dunno, clutching at straws here...

I get being upset, but AR's are just rifles with a bunch of plastic that makes them look scary. They are trying to take our guns...sorry if that hurts...they won't get them...period.

There are obvious signs of mental illness with this guy. Mental illness has played a part in almost every mass shooting.

Ban the guns? What about the terrorists driving over people in trucks...should we ban vehicles?

If we get rid of the Second, what about the First? They have mostly taken our Fourth. Forget it. Fix the mental health issue...jeez.

Or, actually work on fixing the mental health problem in our country...much easier than trying to take everyone's guns...

Enough for me and my family and a few friends.

I agree we can probably do a better job of keeping guns away from the mentally ill. But a knee-jerk reaction like a ban is exactly what they want us to scream.

Didn't you state that the shooter was not mentally ill and just really angry hence we should take away the ability to buy guns? Making it harder for the mentally ill is understandable but how do you determine if someone is just angry? Slippery slope there.

So then you do feel the need to ban AR-15's from the average person, which isn't what you stated previously. People believe if only military/LEO have access to these weapons and they don't, that if martial law is activated and an attempted takeover happens, we'd be heavily handicapped.

"get rid of them" LOFUCKINGL...cmon you cant really believe this right? all its going to do is make people get them illegally, the ones you dont want to have guns arent typically walking into cabelas and buying them.

yes, yes it is. you obviously have 0 clue about what youre talking about or dont live in the US. either way then shut the hell up about it because you are wrong on every point you are trying to make in this bullshit thread.

Not all rifles are semi automatic. Why can't we ban semi automatic long guns? They are more deadly and accurate than hand guns, and they can fire rounds more rapidly than a shot gun or hunting rifle. None of these features are necessary for home defense and all of them make it easier for mass shooters to kill lots of people.

Who said self defense is the only reason we have them? Read the Second Amendment...

The government can (and does) still regulate which arms may be possessed. The ammendment does specify a well regulated militia after all. The government could limit gun ownership to only one 9mm pistol per citizen and that would arguably still align with the 2nd ammendment.

I guess they could try...

A ban wouldn't mean they're coming for you're guns. There would likely be a buyback period after which they would essentially become contraband, the possession of which would equal jail time. No need for theatrics, so you could set aside any glorious dilusions you may have.

Not gonna happen...with or without my "glorious delusions." We can bet on it if you would like...come on, you would take that bet right? lol

you can't use a 9mm to fight someone with a rifle so.... how exactly is the 2nd amendment still upheld???

have you even thought about this???

Because a 9 mm is still an "arm." that's all the 2nd ammendment guarantees us.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

sounds like infringement to me. it also negates the whole purpose of said militias. you can't be the reactionary force to a tyrannical government with side arms.

It's not necessarily infringing on your right to bear arms if you're still allowed to bear arms. The ammendment doesn't specify which ones or how many. The ammendment is exceedingly vague compared to most laws.

It's not necessarily infringing

Oh this tap dance you're doing. It must be tiring.

the majority of hunting rifles are semi auto - so wtf???

I would propose a ban on all semi auto long guns for the reasons I already stated. I didn't say to use a hunting rifle for home defense. A pistol is perfectly adequate for that.

what about SBR's ???

ban those too?

you haven't given this much thought have you?

That's because there are more of them. Hand guns are objectively less deadly bullet for bullet and otherwise than an AR15. No i don't think hand guns should be banned. There should be limits on clip sizes though. If the Vegas shooter only had pistols how many people do you think he would've been able to kill? How about the school shooter yesterday?

That's because there are more of them.

relevance???

more murders are done with hand guns.... by a wide margin... period.

the school shooter could have killed just as many. these were close range.

why would you try to equivocate LV and yesterday?

where is the logic there??

Would you rather be shot by an AR15 or a 9mm pistol? That's what I thought.

LOL - are you serious here?

You are trying to act like you know what you're talking about but you clearly have no clue.

What's the difference between an SBR using high velocity 9mm rounds? You know (of course you don't) the types of rounds that are moving almost twice as fast as a .223 round?

what about those?

I'll take a .223/5.56 round over that any fucking day.

You have ZERO idea what you are talking about.

Shot by an inexperienced teenager who probably can't aim nearly as well with a hand gun?

And we can ban different types of rounds too. We can ban lots of things. It's not as complicated as you're pretending it is. But it probably makes you feel better to act like it is. Have a nice day.

And we can ban different types of rounds too. We can ban lots of things.

Sounds nothing like infringement to me.

It's not complicated at all. You want to infringe on the people's right to the 2nd amendment.

Lets ban ammo, let's ban magazines, let's ban fucking anything we choose to.

Sounds simple to me. Don't try to play this off as anything else. It's infringement.

Goooooood luck with that ;)

they won't get them...period.

What will you do if they try? Shoot up a school or concert?

Source for his lack of a mental illness?

Oh. Right. You don't have one.

Because he did.

Anyone that would do such a horrific thing is categorically mentally ill.

And another thing to consider, if you believe Paddock was a black market gun runner, wouldn't banning guns cause more black market gun running?

Ok, now we're getting somewhere.

Those suspicions you have is exactly why people in this sub are so wary of the push to ban guns after an event like what happened yesterday. If you believe the CIA could or would pull off Vegas, why do you not think the same thing could happen at a school?

I'm not saying I think one way or another- my beliefs are a bit of a complicated hybrid- but stop and think about that for a minute.

I get you are upset, but I would use a very discerning mind when listening to media or reading your facebook feed.

I think there is a lot going on here that has nothing to do with imaginary political theater. Pro-gun and anti-gun is just rhetoric to split the vote. My belief is that TPTB stage most of these events or take advantage of the ones that happen organically to cause us to doubt the need, and have fear of the second and for "both parties" to come to an agreement to amend or agree to a re-write as a come-together move. With that, believe me, we would lose more than the 2nd.

There is more to my theory than I can put in a simple comment with my phone, but that is the gist.

Because a re-write of the Constitution would come with "negotiations" by both sides and would result in our rights to speech and privacy being eroded as a result. They can't just take our rights, but they can negotiate them away if we are so terrified of ourselves as a society that we ask for it.

The inability to put up a fight if necessary.

How is it necessary now?

Apparently the fucking government is committing mass murder every other month...

Under those conditions, how is it not necessary?

Unless they are staged hoaxes like Sandy Hook, then it is just the illusion of mass murder.

bingo...the people they want to take guns from arent getting them legally for the most part anyway, but what does that matter?

Absolutely, but feeling angry shouldn't disqualify anyone from getting a gun.

Or a domestic terrorist, which I guess you'd have to be mentally ill to join their group.

He was on antidepressants, which are known to make people mentally ill.

Just curious: which mental illness in particular did he have, and was he professionally diagnosed?

Honestly, be mad that people keep trying to put bandaids on something that needs a tourniquet. If it wasn't guns it would be home made bombs or cars or whatever else these mentally ill people can conceive. This is the same mindset that leads to "anti-rape education" for men. Society needs to stop being so fucking lazy and actually invest in fixing the people! Stop taking the easy way out

why isn't that good enough for you NOT owning a military style weapon?

Why should we ban weapons because they are military styled? Does that make the bullets more dangerous? Most gun homicides in the US are done with handguns and less than <1000 of them are done with rifles of any kind. Mass shootings have been done with handguns and hunting rifles too. Most people who own guns, even assault rifles, don't commit gun crimes. Why should we ban them because a very small % of people commit crimes with them?

I don't know where to start with this... maybe the beginning?

this sub has been hijacked by TD. I've never seen so many people screaming THEYRE GOING TO TAKE OUR GUNS before.

This simply isn't true. It's the constitutional infringement that people are fighting against. Don't conflate the issue. People here are as pissed about the attack on free speech as well.

When did this sub become obsessed with guns?

This sub is NOT obsessed with guns. People here question the narrative because of the continuous lies from the government.

My father is a teacher in that community and there is no doubt this guy shot up the school and killed people. This guy did not have mental illness. What he did have was an ASSAULT RIFLE.

Ahhhh... the good old call to authority through personal connection. There is "no doubt" this kid shot up the school??? It seems pretty early to have unequivocally concluded this. The kid did "not have mental illness"??? Again... what are you talking about? One day later and you have it all figured out don't you? You seem damned set on removing mental illness from the equation and placing the blame solely on the inanimate object used in the shooting.

He allegedly used an AR-15 as well. A hand gun would have worked just as well and would have been easier to conceal. The weapon used is completely irrelevant here. Do you know the stats on weapons used in killings in the USA? Apparently you don't. Hand guns are overwhelmingly used. Over 80% of killings done with a firearm are committed with hand guns. Want to ban those as well? There are a million hunting rifles that are the same size and shape and do the exact same thing as an AR-15 does. You didn't know that did you?

This guy shouldn't have been able to buy a gun. Period much less an assault rifle. Why are y'all so obsessed with owning these weapons?

"Y'all"... how quaint. Your assertion that gun ownership equates with obsession is ridiculous. It's part of the culture. You don't understand. That's fine... you don't need to understand but your obvious ability to conflate the issue speaks volumes. You are an ill informed individual trying to make ill informed points.

So sad man. I'm seriously just so confused by everyone's stance on this. If you can offer prayers and thoughts to the victims - why isn't that good enough for you NOT owning a military style weapon?

Do you realize how long semi auto weapons have been in existence? It doesn't require a "military style" weapon to kill someone. The internal workings of every single semi auto rifle is the same. You are being frightened of plastic hand guards. The fact you don't know this should disqualify you from even speaking on this topic. You don't get it because you simply haven't done any research. Yet here you are running your mouth about "military style" weapons.

Anyways - let the downvotes ensue. Just hurting for my home.

Don't start with that bullshit. This sub has always been about reason and people's rights. Things haven't changed here. I would sincerely love to see you openly argue to ban all firearms instead of this pussy approach you have going here.

You are uneducated about the stats AND you are uneducated about what a semi auto rifle is so... who the fuck should listen to you?

I'd rather you refute the things I have detailed to you but... yah thanks for the upvote. wtf.

But they won't because Op is a troll.

R/highstrangeness is the new conspiracy

Seeing all these people that say guns aren't the issue is hilarious

You just don't get it do you???

You have it all figured out and anyone else holding an opposing view is "hilarious". Kindly fuck off with that bullshit.

lol they literally ignored the substance in your comment and quoted everything else. But you know, totally not like talking to a deaf person

it's just plastic make to look scary!!!!!!!!! lol

you're a pretensions prick, get off your high horse and fuck right off

There are more guns per inhabitant in Switzerland than in the USA.

Feel free to post a TIL.

Here a solution. If you don't like this country's gun laws and you live here then move somewhere else.

Bullshit. You're on welfare but you travel to Thailand and want a warehouse in the UK to sell your product.

Fuck off liar.

I say let the government ban guns. They banned kinder eggs and I still get those. I own several banned books. I have pirated copies of banned movies. If I have the money and the resources, I can go buy more banned stuff and no one can do anything about it. I don't think they are coming to take my guns. I think if they say they are, it will come with a warning and be far in the future. In that time, people will buy 10x the guns they would have otherwise. Why? because they are worth more than gold if they ever get banned. Capitalism.

Damnit guys, can’t believe we disappointed this man!

nice. here come the concern trolls to add to the vote brigading and dishonest manipulation in general.

If you're one to think a group of 581,578 people and/or bot accounts act in concert as a monolithic idea-machine, you're gonna be disappointed a lot by life.

Right? The idea that we should have a consensus always drives me nuts. What would be the damn point if we were all in lockstep on everything?

The only solution ever proposed to these problems is to take away the people's constitutional rights.

Why not fix the work week so kids can have parents? Why not fix the psychiatrist who drug kids up to hide their depression instead of finding the source for their withdrawal from society?

I'm not pro-gun (or even anti-gun), but why should gun ownership be linked to drinking age?

I think the 21 age for alcohol is arbitrary, anyway. An 18 year old can join the military, shoot assault rifles, etc. The 18 -> 21 mark doesn't really mature people that much more. I highly doubt this kid would have made a different decision if he had to wait 2 more years, and probably would have found a way to get a gun earlier if he really wanted one.

I just don't see the point of comparing gun ownership to being able to legally consume alcohol.

How do you know he waan't tech savy?

America has 5% of the world's population but we produce 30% of the world's mass shooters. We're not high on the list in terms of % of population with mental illness when compared to other countries so that doesn't really explain why we account for so many more mass shooters than other places.

Maybe the truth is we're just a violent country that produces a lot of violent people. Add to that we have more guns than any country in the world (we have 260 million more gun than the #2 country on the list) and it's a recipe for mass shooting violence.

Where are we on the list for suicide bombers?

Probably pretty far down the list, though to be fair your chances of being blow up by a suicide bomber in the US pale in comparison to being shot in the face by a white American male with an AR-15 while at school.

My point is that there are many other forms of mass violence than school shootings.

Not sure how that relates to anything I said? We make up 5% of the world, we produce 30% of the world's mass shooters. What would you attribute those lopsided numbers to?

I think that is rather cherry picked if you are only choosing mass murderers that use guns and not other means and concluding that we are terribly violent compared to other nations.

Maybe It's low because legal measures are in place to stop the making of bombs.

Oklahoma city was done with common fertilizer.

This is bait

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When did we become Obsessed with guns? Never

We are obsessed with constitutional rights.

Why do we want to own these guns?

To check the Government against possible Tyrannical overthrow of the Country.

"People should own Bazookas" - Governor Jess Ventura

Until you can see the difference in the people having guns vs. Not having guns then this will seem Like nonsense.

Your assignment: Come up with a Good reason why the public should be armed.

True dat, all over us, corporations too.

assault rifle is a buzzword.

Why are you so obsessed with being able to speak freely, OP?

You seem to enjoy your right to spew those trite, hacky, useless talking points all over the place. It would be a shame if someone tried to take that right away from you.

I'm no hoax. 100% know a woman that died in Vegas. You're crazy man. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7m2085/the_shills_chorus_i_know_a_guy_who_knows_a_guy/drr2fjx/?context=0

LMFAO...

Found one of those unmentionables.

we all have a right to bear arms ok? and slowly they are chipping away at that right until eventually it will be against the law for us all to own guns. then we will have no way of defending ourselves against the militarized police state.

i don't own a gun but the second they try to tell me i don't have the right to own one, that's when i'll be getting one. they are planning something and gun control is number one on a list of priorities somewhere.

oh and by the way this entire thing was a staged event and your dad working in a nearby school means absolutely nothing. they keep these drills under wraps for a reason, and they're also not stupid. the only people who actually know what happened were the people (the crisis actors) involved in the actual "shooting". people from a couple towns over aren't privy to it. only the people who were there know what happened and everything else is complete hearsay. stop trying to make this sub look like a bunch of inconsiderate assholes.

I've never seen so many people screaming THEYRE GOING TO TAKE OUR GUNS before.

How is that TD related? Sounds conspiracy related to me

I have been withholding comment, since so many of the facts are in dispute. Also, I still would really like to figure out WTF happened in Vegas. Something with SA, it seems. Fuckin hell

Look up the definition of "Assault rifle" it basically describes a rifle that had select fire between fully and semi automatic fire. A person with a box (25 rounds) shotgun shells could do more damage than 25 rounds from an "Assault rifle". Why didn't he get put on an ineligible to buy a firearms list? 20 interactions with LE, being banned from carrying a backpack on school grounds?? This was a huge failure of the system that cost 17 innocent people there lives. An AR 15 is not a military weapon, Joe citizens can not buy a Military without a very special license Please get your facts straight before posting about something you obviously know nothing about

I know people who were in Vegas during that event and within an hour of this school shooting in Florida and I don't live in either of those states. It's not uncommon to know people from all over the place.

It's all bait mate. Report posts like this.

Of course, why not? He also found both of the magical passports on 911.

Not all rifles are semi automatic. Why can't we ban semi automatic long guns? They are more deadly and accurate than hand guns, and they can fire rounds more rapidly than a shot gun or hunting rifle. None of these features are necessary for home defense and all of them make it easier for mass shooters to kill lots of people.

it's just plastic make to look scary!!!!!!!!! lol

He was implying that there would be a bunch of violent standoffs. The government isn't going to barge into people's homes, that would be the dumbest way to go about this.

they won't get them...period.

What will you do if they try? Shoot up a school or concert?

the end result would be taking the guns out of the citizen's hands.

You are intentionally missing the point. I thought we were talking about the 2nd amendment lol???

Some interesting facts:

Parliament has approved a proposal to ban the long-standing Swiss tradition of keeping army ammunition at home.

...

They also said it was a question of safety, as experts claim around 300 deaths every year are caused by army weapons, which also play a role in domestic violence.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/soldiers-can-keep-guns-at-home-but-not-ammo/970614

That was in 2007.

The period 2009-2016 saw an almost two-fifths reduction in the annual homicide rate in Switzerland, the Federal Statistical Office (FSO) announced on Monday. Attempted murder is nevertheless on the rise.

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The OFS also reported that murders carried out using guns became rarer. They made up 20% of cases, compared to 34% previously. Knives were the most common murder weapons.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/homicide-report_statistics-show-decline-in-murder-rate-in-switzerland/43844132

Now, I'm not saying that the former certainly caused the latter... but it sure doesn't support your line of thinking.

You own two horses and a pet muskrat?