What does the term “gaslighting” mean?

Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target's belief.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Trump has been doing this since day one.

So like if you spent a year and a half screaming about trump colluding with Russia then pretend to be vindicated when a bunch of Russian marketers get busted, with no connection to trump? Would that count?

Well, because of the indictments those people weren't lying or being disingenuous so no, it's actually the antithesis of that.

Yep. Anderson Cooper (CIA) broke down gaslighting his audience on his show last week... And then proceeded to gaslight them.

People were concerned about collusion - we know Russia meddled but we didn’t know if Trump worked with them. Ideally, Trump is just an idiot who’s been manipulated by Russia and he honestly had no idea they were doing it. It would be sad if our president was compromised by another country willingly.

And, no, your example isn’t gaslighting. People saw evidence of Russian interference and now we have enough proof to bring it to court. That might make some people feel vindicated. It is not the result of any of the following:

Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target's belief.

That’s what Trump does. Trump cares more about his image than the truth. He says whatever he wants, he lies constantly, he makes random accusations, and it’s all done to maintains his image. If you’re a fan of his rhetoric then you’re one of his targets. You’re the type of person Trump knows how to manipulate.

A better example would be like if you subjected someone to 8 special investigations over a 4 year period and then whine about deep states when the person is never charged.

That sounds exactly like morning joe.

https://youtu.be/A2sOijwuK_8

Shut the fuck up cuck

wow smart!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

OMG your degree is showing!

The Russians don't worry me at all. It's the Israeli interference that is sending this country to hell.

2013) Israel has announced it will pay university students to circulate pro-Israeli information on social media networks, without having to identify themselves as working for the government. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/14/israel-pay-students-propaganda_n_3755782.html

There are a lot of Israeli’s that migrated from Russia right? I have worked in some specialized defense related engineering firms and the vast majority of those engineers from Israel were in fact Russian ex-pats.

So when the jews do it its bad but when Russians do it its okay?

The Russians don't own Western media.

The indictment doesn't mention Putin a single time.

Or "collusion"

Of course not but we already know there is intelligence that has captured Putin personally directing the program.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/intelligence-chiefs-expected-in-new-york-to-brief-trump-on-russian-hacking/2017/01/06/5f591416-d41a-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.8015ff1173de

Also, the IRA is closely linked to Putin allies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

I really hope this becomes the rallying cry for Trump supporters. Trump always gets defended on the silliest technicalities.

defended on the silliest technicalities.

you mean like not being accused of a crime?

It's more like the ability to defend Trump because his vague statement clearly meant X or because his specific statement clearly only included Y.

He talks about Putin, so he definitely specifically meant Putin didn't personally do something. He wasn't talking about Russia, just Putin.

But when he talked about Obama wiretapping him, he was clearly talking about someone in the Obama government wiretapping someone near Trump.

It's just beautiful how quickly people defend Trump, and now Putin.

No, like defending his obvious lies.

http://time.com/4591183/time-person-of-the-year-2016-donald-trump-interview/

I mean he said he believes. He didn't say that as a definite. If I said I believed 10 plus 10 to be 1010 am I lying or just wrong? Clearly with that example I'd be lying but you get the point of what I was saying hopefully.

Nope, I don't understand the point you're trying to make. He said he didn't believe and then he said he never said he didn't believe. That's a lie.

He said he never said they didn't do it. He didn't. He said he believed they didn't.

So he was wrong and is still defending himself, which is also dishonest. Not sure which is worse. But hey, don't worry about those sanctions he's still not enforcing. I'm sure that's entirely unrelated.

I was purely speaking on what he did or didn't say or state in this case. And I am right.

I am not making assumptions about your beliefs, but I'll tell you that I certainly believe we shouldn't be relying on semantics when dealing with how the president speaks. That opens us up for a whole world of trouble and gas lighting, which is what this post was originally about.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't only look at him because even though he's the president, the man is the one who gives us narratives and the like. We trust them to tell us what's going on just as much as we trust the president to (or we would like to trust all of them like that if things were as they should be). I just think if we're gonna pick at him we should be asking them what's up with all of their switch ups too. Not just be up in arms about one specific person.

Dude its memes on social media. Not hacking polls

"russian bots" is joke. so is indicting people for running social media sites after the election and before trump ever announced his candidacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ30uGQXo4k

He registered his MAGA trademark on 11/19/2012. He visited Moscow shortly after. Trump-for-POTUS chatter was picked up by intel community shortly after his 2013 Moscow visit.

good to see you are in a conspiracy sub but you take the intel community's word at face value. maybe you should lay off the "stardust".

Good to see you're in a conspiracy sub and take what the president says at face value.

ive been lied to more times by the intelligence agencies than i have by donald trump.

or like, excusing the numerous ridiculous things he says daily, because one specific accusation was not true. One does not negate the other, but his supporters some how believe that if he is vindicated about any one thing, ALL of his past mistakes go away.

He is an absolute master at this though. Just bombard people with absurd statements, and it will cloud and make everyone forget about anything you said previously.

Hmm, yet if I said Hillary's innocent because she was never accused of a crime would you have a different opinion?

lol i think hillary is an occultist who peddles guns, drugs, whatever national intelligence and natural resources she can get her hands on and children. soooo yes? what was the question?

You mean like extremely careless vs grossly negligent?

No, I don't.

Basic facts are now a rallying cry.

Pretending like Trump meant Putin himself didn't do something, when he was clearly referring to Russia. Putin speaks for Russia.

No kidding, especially since it was a meeting where the two were representing their countries.

Also talking about a contested figure (Trump, Putin) without making it absolutely clear you demonize and all their actions at the same time means you are defending them now.

This post doesn't mention the indictment, either.

There are lots of people in Russia, and I didn't see Putin on the indictment list.

Nope - just his close buddies.

Any evidence of that? I'm not familiar with any of thise indicted.

Manafort for one.

The financier who paid for the work is a buddy of Putin's. I doubt we'll ever get to see the direct links of money. Putin probably paid through exorbitant catering fees, then his buddy paid for the troll farms.

Lol, everyone with a smidge of power in russia is connected to putin, doesn't mean shit.

so, you're saying Putin is basically in tight with the people listed in the indictment? So - explain to me how Putin did not direct the troll farms etc?

Now there's more than one? Only one I saw mentioned was the vaguely sourced IRA.

Hi, can someone link to any good argument that the IRA is operating on behalf of the Russian government?

Because otherwise this thread is useless.

"I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it," Mr Trump told reporters on Air Force One.

He said every time he sees the Russia leader, Mr Putin tells him: "I didn't do that" and is "very insulted" by claims he interfered.

"You can only ask so many times... He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election," said the President.

This is absolute gold. Multi-layered trolling.

never ending, all-you-can-eat buffet of nothing burgers

obviously another Trump Bashtard.

Have another nothing burger sweetie, on me

Not to be a stickler, but narcissism is a personality disorder, not insanity.

Gaslighting is annoying, but if people don't want to, they don't HAVE to believe his lies. There are actually extremely dangerous aspects of Trump being sick like this.

He is easy to manipulate. Why do you think he has those strange "you are the best, we worship you" round tables? Is it because he's wonderful, and everybody really wants to thank him for allowing them to exist in his radiant presence? Not really. Those people want him to behave, and the way they get him to behave is to stroke his ego. Same as when he disclosed Israeli intelligence secrets to the Russians. He just wanted to be big and important and be admired in powerful circles, and he will do what he needs to do to be "liked" by a major world nuclear power, who cares if they are generally enemies of the USA?

He has no empathy. He can fake caring about miners or whoever, because he wants them to vote for him. But if he actually had to help a miner, in the flesh, he wouldn't do it because he doesn't care. That's why he doesn't help Puerto Rico. That's why he whores around, even after Barron was just born.

When something goes "wrong", Trump will blame someone else for it. He is unable to take personal responsibility. That's why he keeps firing people. I mean, he hasn't attracted the best talent to begin with, but that isn't due to the personality disorder. The personality disorder is the reason that his loyalty only goes one way. The problem with this, is that it causes a constant instability and chaos in the group of people who should be focused on doing their jobs. There's also the risk that Trumpsters will believe his claims that the problems are all somebody else's fault, but there's really no hope for that cult anyway.

Trump also becomes aggressive when threatened. This is why he attacks everyone who insults him with such vigor. This is why he holds grudges. This is why he does such a blatant job of obstructing justice. If justice is coming for him, he'll attack every single institution and person involved in holding him to account, using every single tool at his disposal.

He doesn't care about anything that does not relate directly to benefitting himself. This is why he can't handle intelligence briefings. He just doesn't care what is happening in the country. He may be smart enough, but he just DOES NOT CARE. This is why he only cares that he has good ratings, and big crowd sizes, who visits his hotels, etc. This is why he wants loyalty oaths from everybody. Probably also why he thinks using nuclear weapons is a viable option. What does he care if the rest of the country gets vaporized? He'll be in a bunker protected by the secret service. This is the most dangerous aspect of narcissism. Because Trump will betray the country if it benefits him.

The collusion allegations have handicapped Trump is several ways, assuming his ultimate innocence.

1. If he admitted a Russian op to influence the election, he admits phase one of the collusion narrative (you need "meddling" to be true in order to establish the notion of subsequent coordination).

2. If he admitted a Russian op influenced the election, he puts a portion of his own victory in doubt and indirectly admits that he had help, as part of the program was to prop him up and take down his opponent.

So as I've seen it, his resistance to admit meddling from day one has always been a political move to shift public perception and indirectly defend himself against collusion allegations.

He also tweeted that no Americans were involved and then 8 hours later, blamed Obama, Hillary, the Dems AND the DNC (someone should tell him what the D in DNC stands for).

DNC is an organization, not all democrats are affiliated with them.

sigh he was literally going off of whatever that dude said @ the press conference.

That's it.

now we can move on and talk about how fucking retarded it is to pretend people posting memes is anything compared to dumping guns and money into the hands of actual terrorists to overthrow governments.

We're also killing russians over in Syria directly even after we failed to oust assad and they came in to aid him against the terrorist insurgence the us and it's allies have backed.

Think about that for a minute

Can you link to where he says no Americans were involved? I'm Curious.

it isnt gaslighting to counter the flat out LIES on lefstream media. I literally watched MSNBC (in disgust) as they claimed Trump called the entire Mueller investigation a "witch hunt".

total lie. he called the "collusion" element of the 2 part Mueller appointment a witch hunt.

Leftstream media lies, Trump tells the truth on Twitter.

that isnt "gaslighting" . its exposing leftist propaganda.

And THAT is why the left hates his Twitter. their 24/7 stream of bullshit gets called out.

Trump has talked about his so-called witch hunt several times. One time his statement was literally, "Well, I respect the move but the entire thing has been a witch hunt.". Only twice has he said the words "collusion" and "witch hunt" in the same "thought" process.

he REPEATED "NO COLLUSION" about a billion times. when asked directly if he believed russia meddled, he literally said what he had to repeat his words verbatim, because leftstream media keeps doing exactly what u just attempted, which is to take something he said ("whole thing is a witch hunt") and ascribe a meaning to it which he DIDNT say (because he was referring to COLLUSION). this is the very definition of propaganda. Take some true fact or statement, then intentionally take it out of context or impute meaning to it that the originator did not ever intend (and so he clarifies, which he shouldnt have to do, but has to constantly do), all to try and push an agenda and make people THINK he meant what the propagandists want. His twitter feed is the hilarious antitude to the medias shitty attempted poison. suck it, MSNBC.

You poor "unwitting" victim. Brainwashed by the Russians and doing their bidding for them. Proclaiming that Trump "tells the truth on Twitter." He called the hacking a hoax, targeted a 400 pound imaginary fat man and propagated a fantasy that the DNC did it as an inside job. THATS the disgrace. And you are mad at MSNBC? Bla bla bla. They accuse trump of calling the WHOLE investigation a witch hunt when it was just the collusion part - AS IF we are to believe he respects the Russian interference part of the investigation. Trump ALWAYS doubted the Russian interference fact. And now, with the indictments, his narrative dies. And you, you unwitting tool, cultivated and indoctrinated by the Russians, show no hyper psychotic outrage by Trump's constant denial of Russian interference in our 2016 election. THATS where your outage SHOULD lie.

But, well, you're one of them.

I'm not defending MSNBC, but you just fucking said they were being disgusting by making the claim that Trump called the entire Mueller investigation a witch hunt. Trump did call the entire investigation a witch hunt. Go back to your echo chamber where they eat this shit up.

he has repeatedly said the SC was a witch hunt, and NO COLLUSION. you said yourself he said this twice in the same thought stream. How manybtimes would be enough, your highness? how about it doesnt matter, because like all other leftstream media puppets on a string all you care about are more excuses to give you confirmation for propaganda narratives you bought into long ago. And then you tell me to leave because the truth shatters your worldview.

Sorry, bud. the rules of this sub say its NON PARTISAN. that means I am free to civilly and with great affection point out bullshit leftist media propaganda narratives.

you are free to still cling to them.

I used to think you guys were just unbelievably stupid, but it's becoming clear you're actually malicious trolls. You just accused me of confirmation bias in the same post where you ignore that I said Trump has called the investigation a witch hunt multiple times and once even said verbatim that the entire thing is a witch hunt and then took my statement out of context that he's only mentioned collusion and witch hunt together twice. That is literally confirmation bias and I think it proves that you guys know exactly what you're doing.

I know it's not going to do any good but I'm going to explain to you how logic works. You made the claim that it was disgusting that MSNBC claimed that Trump called the Mueller investigation a witch hunt. You made the claim that Trumplethinskin was only referring to the collusion aspect. It's actually up to you to show that every time he said witch hunt he was talking about collusion. I did your job for you and actually showed that he used the phrase witch hunt several times without ever mentioning collusion.

Who the fuck am I to tell someone they have to leave? I was merely advising you that no one outside of your echo chamber is buying your shit. Feel free to hang out and spew whatever you want, sunshine.

no, its up to me to point out that the leftstream propaganda machine inserting and inferring meaning that isnt there just to push their narrative is vile and repulsive, and if u willingly blindy swallow it that is up to you but Im explaining in real time what it is.

you should probably know how logic works yourself before trying to explain it. Donald Trump himself, ya know, the actual author of the tweets (but what does he know), even explained what his tweets intended meanings were as he saw the predictable and pathetic attack vector.

but lets listen to MSNBC instead. they know better.

It's your job to pint out leftstream propaganda and ignore Trump propaganda. Great job! Trump tweets how "sad" it is FBI fucked up in not investigating the school shooter because they were too focused on COLOOOOOSION. Yeah, Donald trump the "authors of the tweet. There's your propaganda for the hour. They're is no truth to this, he offers up no evidence connecting this trash conspiracy theory. But happily takes to twitter to feed you people. Daily propaganda.

But hey, focus on MSNBC. Like you said, "It's up to you." Loser.

You act like Trump respects the meddling part of the investigation, because he was ONLY referring to the collusion part as a witch hunt.

he specifically ADDRESSED the russian meddling part already. Then he had to REMIND everyone, because leftstream media tried to lie (of course) and say he called the entire thing a hoax, which he didnt.

Im not outraged by anything. I am horrified that supposedly intelligent people cant detect that the leftstream media is nonstop 24/7 propaganda, and yet are so mind controlled, so brainwashed, that they swallow each and every Trump hate narrative, so that he literally HAS to take to twitter to remind people of the truth.

And the media, SO HATEFUL that Trump has his own communication channel and can expose their lies - HAHA - continues their indoctrination having you magpies call what HE says "propaganda"?

Hey dum-dum.

Which is more likely to be propaganda?

A single guy and his twitter feed?

Or an entire global mediaplex that permeates nearly every piece of modern society?

Since you are such a genius, I will leave that to you to figure out. It isnt a tough riddle. And even if you want to call BOTH of them propaganda, do you have ANY idea at all what 2 sides each fights for in reality?

Im sure you dont.

Thankfully, doesnt matter. Trump's still president.

Oh.....this "single guy" got help from an entire foreign government. Of course, Trump could never have accomplished this without their help. Don't be silly to think that I would make that argument!

And trump feeds you propaganda and you run with it. He didn't have to remind us of anything! He called the investigation a "RUSE", I specifically remember that. And go check out his 9/22/17 tweet. Called it a HOAX, talking about "now it's Facebook ads. What a liar. And you swallowed it. Coming on here defending him.

you are so brainwashed by media, you seek continual confirmation, red meat.

We have been over this already. Trump even had to send ANOTHER tweet to remind everyone because media fired up all you mind controlled hate zombies that he said SEVERAL TIMES that the "COLLUSION" was a hox and withc hunt - which it is - he said when SPECIFICALLY ASKED about "meddling" that he agreed there was attempted interference and from a variety of unknown sources. He literally said that. So he never denied interference, or at least attempts at it.

You guys are such pied piper material. MSNBC spouts it and you nod your heads dutifully and parrot (they actually called Nunes a russian agent the other day). Unreal. I cant tell if you are really this indoctrinated or if you are shariablue payroll.

He never denied interference? Did he ever deny RUSSIAN interference? Which is the whole CONTEXT of this. He called it a hoax, a ruse. That's denying it.

But Trump "SPOUTS" it and you dutifully nod your head even though his own words invalidates his previous own words. Unreal.

I am having fun taking your words and using them on you.

People are watching you. Laughing. A small minority over at the Donald. You all are crazy. And btw, your energy is best spent rallying up NEW sheeple to get to the polls in November. Or - you are fucked.

He called it a hoax, a ruse. That's denying it.

for about the 5th time, he called "COLLUSION" a hoax, a ruse. And a witch hunt. He NEVER said there was no interference, which was the other part of Muellers 2 part appointment. In fact, when asked specifically about interference, he said SOMEONE DID attempt to interfere.

You are literally making up his own words. Because media told you so. This doesnt get any more frightening as far as a study in brainwashing. You LITERALLY defend the media TELLING YOU what Trump said, instead of accepting his REMINDER to you of what he actually said!! I mean HOW INSANE is that?

Media has literally driven you insane.

If you have a tweet or video of Trump saying specifically that "interference" or "meddlng" is a hoax, then post it right here right now. Not your paraphrasing you got from a /r/politics headline, but the source. Right here. Right now.

for about the 5th time, he called "COLLUSION" a hoax, a ruse. And a witch hunt. He NEVER said there was no interference, which was the other part of Muellers 2 part appointment. In fact, when asked specifically about interference, he said SOMEONE DID attempt to interfere.

Yes, he did. Yes, he did. I'm not arguing whether he ever said there was no interference, moron. I like how you change the narrative, though. I challenged you to tell me whether he ever called the russia investigation a hoax. NOT the colluding part, but the meddling part. Go google his 9/22/17 tweet. And stop spending your displaced energy on defending this asshole.

ok, so if he SPECIFICALLY said there was interference of some form from some quarter(s), which he did, but yet you want to point to his 9/22 tweet where he said the facebook ads were part of the russia hoax?

What makes you think he wasnt alluding to collusion? What makes you think he wasnt alluding to the media assertion that the russian activities IMPACTED the election?

He could have meant a hundred different things by "russian hoax", and he had already specifically said SOMEONE interfered. Several times, actually.

I know, you cant take it, these leftist narratives caving in on you day after day. It must be awful.

He called it a hoax. You sheeple may want to contextualize that tweet to fit your narrative, but your everyday intelligent, non compromised Americans, the majority, understand that tweet.

He lied and said he never referred to the russia investigation as a hoax. Hold him accountable.

And I don't care that he thought "someone interfered." Even a 7 year old would have known that. The lengths you go to create this allusion of a godlike genius. "He said someone interfered!! He's a genius!"

I care that he DIDNT think it was Russia and called the RUSSIA investigation a hoax.

Hold him accountable. You disgrace of an American.

You sheeple may want to contextualize that tweet to fit your narrative

yea, how dare we point out that is exactly what YOU are doing.

Rule #1 of SJWs. SJWs always PROJECT.

Followed by SJWs always LIE. And SJWs always double down.

Please return to your shithole country and mind your own business.

Omfg, you think I'm Canadian. That's right. Do you really think Canadians have the trash mouth I have? Are you that ignorant to the world? Listen, I hope you get the courage to leave the small village you get up in and venture out in the world. You'll learn a lot. Maybe first voyage..... St. Petersburg, Russia. They have a huge farm there, I'm sure bigger than you've ever seen. And I'm sure you will have a lot in common with the folk who live there. Stupid.

When did I say you where Canadian?

It has simply been my honest experience on Reddit that ALL Trump haters I have discussed with are one of 3:

1) actual leftists. Im cool with that.

2) puppeted by leftists - usually well-meaning rabid libs. This is by far the overwhelming majority. And increasinlgy not US citizens, because the major vehicle to indoctrinate and puppet is the leftstream media, which has become a laughing stock in the US but still powerfully globally

3) paid shills - think shariablue

So, which are you?

I am not attacking you or anything and would have to hear your opionions, but I figured you might enjoy this.

Not to be a stickler, but narcissism is a personality disorder, not insanity.

Gaslighting is annoying, but if people don't want to, they don't HAVE to believe his lies. There are actually extremely dangerous aspects of Trump being sick like this.

He is easy to manipulate. Why do you think he has those strange "you are the best, we worship you" round tables? Is it because he's wonderful, and everybody really wants to thank him for allowing them to exist in his radiant presence? Not really. Those people want him to behave, and the way they get him to behave is to stroke his ego. Same as when he disclosed Israeli intelligence secrets to the Russians. He just wanted to be big and important and be admired in powerful circles, and he will do what he needs to do to be "liked" by a major world nuclear power, who cares if they are generally enemies of the USA?

He has no empathy. He can fake caring about miners or whoever, because he wants them to vote for him. But if he actually had to help a miner, in the flesh, he wouldn't do it because he doesn't care. That's why he doesn't help Puerto Rico. That's why he whores around, even after Barron was just born.

When something goes "wrong", Trump will blame someone else for it. He is unable to take personal responsibility. That's why he keeps firing people. I mean, he hasn't attracted the best talent to begin with, but that isn't due to the personality disorder. The personality disorder is the reason that his loyalty only goes one way. The problem with this, is that it causes a constant instability and chaos in the group of people who should be focused on doing their jobs. There's also the risk that Trumpsters will believe his claims that the problems are all somebody else's fault, but there's really no hope for that cult anyway.

Trump also becomes aggressive when threatened. This is why he attacks everyone who insults him with such vigor. This is why he holds grudges. This is why he does such a blatant job of obstructing justice. If justice is coming for him, he'll attack every single institution and person involved in holding him to account, using every single tool at his disposal.

He doesn't care about anything that does not relate directly to benefitting himself. This is why he can't handle intelligence briefings. He just doesn't care what is happening in the country. He may be smart enough, but he just DOES NOT CARE. This is why he only cares that he has good ratings, and big crowd sizes, who visits his hotels, etc. This is why he wants loyalty oaths from everybody. Probably also why he thinks using nuclear weapons is a viable option. What does he care if the rest of the country gets vaporized? He'll be in a bunker protected by the secret service. This is the most dangerous aspect of narcissism. Because Trump will betray the country if it benefits him.

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wow thats an excellent psychological profile of someone whom you have never met and whose words and actions you only see/hear thru a leftist filter (whether intentionally or unwittingly).

that he seems to have some of the psychological traits is only relevant in that, in my own view, anyone who would even attempt to take on the establishment cesspool NEEDED to have those traits, extreme self confidence, pugnacious attitude. What you label abhorrent, I consider vital.

And where we disagree is your opinion of his thoughts and motives. Again whether you are a leftist or just a well meaning lib who has been brainwashed by the leftist media narratives, it is vile and revolting to me and tens of millions of Trump supporters who know that Trumps motives are pure, he is a patriot the likes we have never seen in our lifetimes. How do we know?

Just look at what he has DONE. While in office. Yes, the congress and judiciary have hobbled, obstructed, and hamstrung his every MAGA agenda move. But the important part is that he has attempted and is still working at FULFILLING EVERYTHING HE SAID HE WOULD DO.

that alone should show his character. It does to anyone sane and rational. But leftist haters and their zombie army of the media brainwashing wont see that and instead spout the vile and despicable psychoanalysis as you have.

I hope you awake from the leftist media created matrix you are asleep in.

"He's attempted and still working at FULFILLING EVERYTHING HE SAID HE WOULD DO."

• and that alone should show his character?? Are you sick? He's an asshole, that's his "character."
  

And the fact that he's "attempting" to fulfill promises? So?! Every president attempts to fulfill promises. You make him sound like Jesus. What a tool.

You are compromised. Those Russian troll farms done you good. They have you believing it's the media. But only mainstream. You literally are working for them. You sound like a fool defending him.

"A true patriot the likes we have never seen in our lifetime."

Or

A traitor the likes we have never seen, ever.

Walls are closing in. And you are on overdrive.

god, youre an idiot. SO brainwashed by media.

Hey, assnuts, he isnt competing in a popularity contest. He isnt trying to be your best buddy. his job is to lead the executive branch in a host of duties that in general encompass doing things that will benefit America as a whole and Americans. Being "an asshole" matters NOT TWO SHITS.

I am GLAD he's an asshole, only an asshole could have fought back against the media brainwashed zombie army that includes dummies such as yourself.

So YES him doing what he promised to do DOES show his character. It shows he has integrity, that he isnt a "conman". Ya know, like the last 4 presidents in a row, in our rigged system where the figurehead is selected behind the scenes.

I didnt say he was Jesus, I said he has integrity, and his actions have PROVEN IT. Incredible how your media brainwshing has you SO full of hate you cant even acknowledge the simplest truths. Media mind control is actual frightening.

You are compromised

You spelled "awake" wrong.

They have you believing it's the media

Really? How so, and be specific. Because its was the media themselves that showed to me that they were leftist propaganda a few weeks before the election, no trolls required! The same media that tells you to label everyone who isnt still asleep in their matrix a russian troll.

SAD!

Hey, dont worry, lefty puppet, it will only be 7 more years!

You said it shows "CHARACTER" that he's attempted to fulfill your wet dreams. I said every president's "attempts" to fulfill promises- so stop sounding like he is Jesus. And now your throwing integrity in to it. Because he's TRYING to do his job? Are you fucking serious?

We both admit his character is that of an asshole. Great, but Trump talks trash about everyone and yet you don't label him "full of hate?"

And let me tell you something. You know who else "ATTEMPTED" to do something? Donnie Jr, ATTEMPTED to conspire with the Russians when he chose to go to that meeting at Trump Tower. Can't argue that,

Can YOU prove it was "no trolls required" that borne you your "A HA moment? Go read the indictments. You are the EXACT BI PRODUCT of the Russian meddling. You are their success, in living color!

Trump/Russian mind control. "It's frightening."

fulfill your wet dreams

yea, thats what I said. My wet dreams. I said it shows INTEGRITY that he has been doing what he SAID he would do, unlike every other dipshit in the past 40 years.

No, they dont ATTEMPT to do what they say. They actually do whatever their donors tell them once in. If you dont know this, then you are intentionally blind, or perhaps just incredibly stupid. In contrast, Trump has done EVERYTHING he said he would do, with that caveat that if 2/3 of the government blocks him (and they have) he has the limitations of his office. But that isnt what we have had from past presidents. We had literally say one thing then do another.

Trump talks trash about everyone

Not everyone - he talks trash about the fucksticks that attack HIM or are harming America, he calls out the propaganda leftstream media, he refuses to just let them lie to the public 24/7, which is what they have been doing for decades, controlling the thoughts of magpies like you.

Can YOU prove it was "no trolls required" that borne you your "A HA moment?

Yes, I can. I remember the exact moment. It was a few months before the election. I though Trump was a racist and although I respected him as a businessman and TV person, after all he was well known and liked for decades, but I was buying in to the media stories - just like everyone else.

I remember the day, anyways, when a couple months before the election, I was using Google news to aggregate the news articles for me - a common thing I think - and I happened to notice that ALL EIGHT of my headlines under "politics" were literally RABID Trump hate stories. I mean, over-the-top "Trump is Satan" stories, everything from the hitler line to racist to xenophobe muslims will be in camps, the whole bit.

I stopped and though, "waittaminit - I dont care WHO it is, no one could be this pure evil, and if it WAS true, from a figure who has been in the public eye for decades, wouldnt all this be common knowledge by now"?

And these werent "Russian Troll" articles I was viewing, they were all the WaPos, NYT, LATimes, all mainstream media.

Thats when the light bulb went off, for me. Because when you realize they arent merely publishing news, they are pushing an opinion on you, it is a huge AH HA moment.

So I began to dig. WHAT were they overall trying to do? And why? Werent they just "news"?

I can tell you tens of millions of Trump supporters have had that moment. And Trump hadnt even called out the fake news yet. Later, he would, and by now it is a commonly known thing, MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS, IN FACT, LEFTIST PROPAGANDA

My hatred for them is not that they are leftists, it is that they lied for so long and pretended to be innocuous and trustworthy "news", they played on - AND RUINED - our trust.

So, nothing to do with "russians". It was our OWN media.

Please feel free to awaken from the matrix they have created at your own pace.

This Comic reminds me of you

I have seen that before.

Its quite good.

I agree with the theories.

This is why the primary point I try to get across to anyone who hates Trump is that Im not going to try and STOP them from hating Trump. Im merely going to expose some reality, which I myself wasnt aware of until a few months before the election.

That reality is that the global news media, the entire entertainment mediaplex, is very largely, nearly exclusively, a propaganda tool for the left.

Hardly any liberals realize this. Some leftists do, and yes to me a leftist/marxist is different than a liberal. Liberal ideas are common for any decent people, unfortunately they are used as props and tools by the left, whom I find vile.

Back in the day when I was a child, I actually asked my mom as I watched the TV news one night if it was illegal to say a lie on the news. she laughed. The POINT is that all of us in the public with a tiny exception group at one time TRUSTED the news media and entertainment in general to be a-political, neutral. In the measurmement called the "Overton Window", we all assumed (because they assured us so) that they were Centrist and honest journalism.

Unfortunately, nothing is farther from the truth. And its all I REALLY try to expose on Reddit.

Of course, once you realize that, for many it sets off a chain reaction called "red-pilling", because enlightened people do not generally promote a system where they will eventually be slaves.

Have you thought about how it might relate to you? And how you label anything that goes against your ideals as Fake News Media?

well it applies to me in that I know am instantly DISTRUSTFUL of anything put out by the leftstream media.

And of course, that isnt fair, either. They do some honest and good reporting. Just seldom. And their out-of-control propaganda is outrageous.

I mean, seriously. They were screaming at the top of their lungs before the election that Trump was going to incarcerate Muslims in concentration camps!

I think calling them "fake news" is exceedingly kind.

Its also not the point. Their dishonesty is the point.

Getting back to that article, how I react is beside the issue. Yes, the media may introduce ideas I may resist. But my reaction is incidental. What is relevant is : "are they presenting this news honestly or not?"

If their track record SCREAMS "not", then my "resistance" to their ideas is not only normal, it begs the question of why people should bother reading/watching them at all? To try and pick out the few truthful crumbs of data?

And BTW, that is a horrendously overused lefty talking point to accuse me of "label anything that goes against your ideals as Fake News Media?"

I dont "label anything", I expose propaganda for what it is. If it is truthful, it isnt going to "go against my ideals". I see articles critical of Trump all the time that have some merit to the criticism.

I am against the dishonesty and the extreme nature of the supposed "news". Any clear headed person should be.

Um... I am from Canada eh! So could give to shits about either side. However my opionions are irrelevant, I am just gonna listen to you. I have some questions I would like you to answer.

Why do you support trump?

What do you consider establishment?

Wouldn't Trump being rich mean he is apart of the Elite?

Can you give me a list of all the things he has done that are in reference to MAGA?

Thx

However my opionions are irrelevant,

I ahve no problem with Canadians - but I DO think the US public has more completely come to realize the joke that the media is than other countries citizens have.

Why do you support trump?

I support his agenda. Its what I voted for. I admire and appreciate his personality. he is a tough leader, a good negotiator, a winner. He does what he says he would do. He was already famous, in the public eye for decades. He was already rich, a billionaire. he didnt take money from special interests and large donors, he owes no one. His pugnacious attitude are absolutely essnetial in fighting off the VILE and disgusting mess we have become with the triumvirate of the media/corrupted deep state/moneyed lobby interests in government.

What do you consider establishment?

anyone in federal government as part of the group of elected officials or the bureaucracy of political appointees who puts self interests (including donor interests) above the interests of who are SUPPOSED TO be their constituents, which are the people and the country. There are many examples, and the term usually refers to them as establishment because it is what happens to well-meaning politicians once they GET INTO office.

Wouldn't Trump being rich mean he is apart of the Elite?

Why would it? Elite are those who put self interest ahead of constituents or country. Their financial status is not relevant.

Can you give me a list of all the things he has done that are in reference to MAGA?

There are many lists compiled already - use google. Most importantly he has proposed or attempted pretty much EVERYTHING he said he would as opposed to the last 4 or 5 presidents, who all said one thing (to get elected), then did another (to serve their donors). Establishment.

It isnt actually that complex. Establishment HATES him, because he doesnt play the game they had down pat. In fact he exposed it, so tens of millions of Americans like me, who werent even AWARE of the game, now know, and wont let it continue.

He's pissing off corrupt people, I love him for that, going to be a great 8 year term

I used to think you guys were just unbelievably stupid, but it's becoming clear you're actually malicious trolls. You just accused me of confirmation bias in the same post where you ignore that I said Trump has called the investigation a witch hunt multiple times and once even said verbatim that the entire thing is a witch hunt and then took my statement out of context that he's only mentioned collusion and witch hunt together twice. That is literally confirmation bias and I think it proves that you guys know exactly what you're doing.

I know it's not going to do any good but I'm going to explain to you how logic works. You made the claim that it was disgusting that MSNBC claimed that Trump called the Mueller investigation a witch hunt. You made the claim that Trumplethinskin was only referring to the collusion aspect. It's actually up to you to show that every time he said witch hunt he was talking about collusion. I did your job for you and actually showed that he used the phrase witch hunt several times without ever mentioning collusion.

Who the fuck am I to tell someone they have to leave? I was merely advising you that no one outside of your echo chamber is buying your shit. Feel free to hang out and spew whatever you want, sunshine.