Here is a comment from mine, on another post that was talking about something similar:

Really, all it would take is to maybe have one, two, or three teachers trained and armed, and have a sign saying: "Notice: This school is secured by TWCFC - Teachers with concealed firearm carry". Kind of like how putting an ADT sign outside your house would prevent people from robbing it, whether or not you actually have a security system installed - to risky for the robber.

I mean the signs saying: "This is a gun free zone" is like putting a sign up at your house saying: "No one is home and the back window doesn't lock".

It really is, and thanks.

I mean, it's mind numbing how simple shit really is or could be. If I was a kid (or had a kid in school), I'd much rather have something like that, over armed guards. Which would resemble a prison, too much, imo and kids shouldn't feel like they are inmates.

By implementing a solution like mine, everyone knows there is at least one well trained and armed person there, and signs expressing that to "would be psychopaths". They (kids) don't know who is, and nor would the other teachers (imo, do not make who is and who isn't - better for everyone and acts as a buffer for outside forces). It's a psychological thing that works in favor of the teachers and students, but not in the favor of the potential gun man/woman.

It would be a "common sense" solution, but that phrase has been inverted, like everything TPTB do/say. They love their inversions...

I always agree with your comments!

Wooo boy, you might wanna do some research Mrs. Gail.

I agree with this approach too, but I would arm the teachers with non -lethal arms to start off with. E.g Beanbag guns tasers etc.

I have had some pretty angry teachers when I was young ..a little slap happy and potentially trigger happy.

They might be too tempted to use it on the run of the mill asshole students lol. More seriously though, I think about this alot. Rubbers and beanies hurt like hell. And added bonus, no b.s. murder charge (keeping in mind you're screwed if the attacker is cranked up to the gills)

Eh, I get what you are saying, but, I disagree. I'm more of an "all in" kind of guy. The mental evaluation and training needs to be top notch, and the teacher(s) should be compensated for it (ie. get paid higher than the other teachers for their additional "role/duty").

Pity they can't bio code the gun to the owner that makes it uniquely theirs to shoot, that way no kid could overpower Miss Brown and have their own tantrum.

I get what your saying though, change protocols and get trained staff that can be cool enough to end a threat.

I would say the principal and the school counselor should probably have a say in who is armed. At work we talked about arming employees after a shooting and we decided if we implemented the policy that each facility manager would have a say in who could bring their gun.

Yeah or maybe we could do something that's actually proven to work, sane gun laws. Australia, UK, and Japan are all examples of what can happen if the country pulls together and enacts some common sense gun regulations. Australia hasn't had a single mass murder since they enacted theirs.

In the great words of Scalia:

"There Are Undoubtedly Limits To A Person’s Right To Carry Guns"

Time we put our children ahead of the NRA and recognize this.

I see your point but the problem is no matter how difficult the laws make it for some to purchase a gun, criminals are still going to get their hands on them. Take chicago for example. The city has some of the strictest gun laws in the US but yet still has the most gun related homicides per year out of every city in the US. (Or at least is still in the top 3 or so every year).

Natural law, as solidified by the Constitution:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

We are the only country, to have this in our Constitution, and we stand by this. Plain and simple. Those "laws" have not proven to work. It's a band-aid, on a shotgun wound, to make you feel "safe", just the "gun free zone" signs. Asinine, to say the least.

Time we put our children ahead of the NRA and recognize this.

Fuck the NRA. Furthermore, restricting people from arms could put children at risk, when there homes get broken into, and there mother or father is disarmed, because of a "technicality" in the "law", you ignoramuses would like to implement. Where will you be then? Face it, you don't care about children, you just care about delusions peddled to you by Maddow and such, which ultimately, would be TPTB.

Now, I shall ask... Are you a US citizen, and do you own a firearm?

Do you feel there should be limits to the 2nd amendment? Should I be able to auto fully automatic weapons? What about heavy fire power ala anti-tank rifles? RPGs?

Do you feel there should be limits to the 2nd amendment?

No, because it's not about the 2nd amendment, it's about Natural Law, and the Creator given right to self defense/protection. This cannot be taken away by "government", being it's not a right granted by the "government".

Laws do not stop criminals. You could ban all guns, but they'd still be there, because of the market for such, whether criminal or just someone wanting one to hunt. We saw this with prohibition and alcohol. We also see this with the "war on drugs". Criminals don't care about laws. Creating laws only affects law abiding citizens. Take away their guns, and the only ones left are criminals and the government, and boy... those two are one in the same ;)

Should I be able to auto fully automatic weapons? What about heavy fire power ala anti-tank rifles? RPGs?

Yes, and no law would stop those from being in circulation. You could machine all of those, if you had the knowledge and tools. Just like how you could go to any hardware store and make yourself some IED's. Crazy people will always find a way. It's not the "tool", it's the person... We should address the "person" aspect to it. The former has been tried with the laws on the books. The latter? Not so much, being that mental health is now: "Just give them SSRI's". It's insanity...

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Funny how you didn't highlight the regulated part. Fortunately even conservative justices like Scalia recognized what they meant by that.

Funny how you didn't highlight the regulated part.

Regulated doesn't mean government regulations (ie. laws). It meant well trained/equipped. Words, they mean things.

Fortunately even conservative justices like Scalia recognized what they meant by that.

Scalia was a traitor, same with everyone else who questions the the 2nd amendment.

The rest of what you said is bullshit, so, I'm not even going to bother.

it's so easy for mentally ill to buy guns

hahaha

In FL it is. In my state not so much. If the US was as strict as my state, those 19 children would still be alive. They died for gun company profits, corporate greed.

100% of the guns used in crimes in Chicago are illegal so

Mate. I'm from NZ. Dunno bout your guns in schools. Poor god damn kids. Guess they won't be talking back anymore. It seems sadly clear a lot of Americans can't be trusted with guns. Especially the poor young ones being fed pharmaceuticals. With people not willing to budge on gun laws it seems all that's going to happen is you are going to be put under more surveillance, more heavily armed police, metal detectors etc.You will get to keep your guns, but if you try to use it a drone will blow your face off. They will probably make a reality tv show about it. Made by child rapists. Whatever way you look at it kids are gonna get fucked.

Until of course a teacher shoots up the school.

Jump into the hallway and remind him of all the times I saw him get bullied and did nothing. Finally get off this rotten planet.

Maybe we should focus on the drugs we're giving these kids and reevaluate how we handle depression and social problems. Just an idea.

That's 2! :)

I view these school shootings as a symptom of a larger problem, which imo is the drugs we're pumping these kids with.

Not only the drugs but also the decreasing value of the family unit for support and care.

I'd ask if it was a planned code red drill

I’d ask him if he was on psychotropic drugs and tell him he was about to become a patsy and have a nice vacation at supermax.

I live in Canada, so I don't really have to worry about this.

Probably throw a chair they are surprisingly effective weapons.

throw some asshole against the door so he can get shot and barricade it and then call him a hero after.

Trained and well-established, STABLE teachers should be armed. God knows there are many teachers I wouldn't give a weapon to.

Over a decade ago a gun store owner told me the gun of choice for school officers was becoming the FN FiveSeven. Huge capacity, accuracy and minimal collateral damage from overpenetration.

Dont most schools have at least one cop always hanging around? Let him sit in the control room for the video surveillance of the school, give it some basic AI threat detection for suspicious persons or movements, and you could stop these things quite easily from happening.

Schools have cameras and wifi networks already. Not hard to give it the AI alerting system. Linus Tech Tips has it in his office ffs.

What if the security guard becomes the mad gunman? Then he’d have the quickest and easiest access to the targets. I get what you’re saying but look at cops, the most well trained people in the country. They’re supposed to be able to handle the most stressful situations and look at all the unarmed people they’re murdering.

just playing devils advocate and i understand the debate, but i’m not sure if more guns are the answer. i just fear that there’s too much potential for a “Zimmerman” incident where guns can give people a false sense of power and willingness to create deadly confrontations not prevent them. They might be trained to use guns properly but real life situations with real people are a different story. and if cops can get rattled in stressful situations and shoot people recklessly, what is a 65 yr old teacher or some mall cop going to do? obviously there’s not just one answer but i just don’t see how arming more people will make people safer.

Excellent points and thanks for responding with respect, I know how these conversations can go. I understand the deterrent a warning sign can have as I used to sell and install security cameras and dummy cams were a good bulk of our sales. I agree that providing gun safety and training for teachers is a good idea but still a bit hesitant on permitting them to carry on campus. Perhaps an alternative would be an armed police officer on site as a better option as they are professionally equipped to handle the freakiest of situations. We had one at my high school back in the late 90’s and not only did he provide that sense of security but was a pretty cool dude and even got along with the “gang banger” types. I definitely think that these incidents can start to be tackled with more common sense actions at the community level without the need to escalate to the very top which seem to spark debates that divide the country and nothing gets done.

good stuff man. nope, breaking beats is what i do. plus it beats being broke ;)

I’m pretty sure I read on two different articles that day that there was an armed security guard at the school. He wasn’t in the area where the shooting took place. So while having guards is a good idea, it is clearly not enough

Each school was assigned an officer to be near the campus ...but he's not stationed at the door which would be the whole point.

Also when I was in school kids who didn't go there could not just walk in campus...he wasn't a student at the time why was he even allowed in...

Schools are surprisingly open. I went back to my hometown after my grandmother died and hadn't seen my school in at least a decade or more. While driving around town thinking about life and whatever I randomly pulled into my old high school and decided to walk around and see what it looked like. No one stopped me, no one asked me questions. I walked all around. I went and looked at the new gym, walked into the cafeteria and generally checked everything out. No one even looked at me.

Mandatory bulletproof vests and helmets.

I'd stand by the door out of sight and wait for him or her to pop into the room and then smash the gun out of their hands. Then stomp face.

I'd probably interview the other students or do some snapchatting.. /s

If you have a concealed carry permit you should be allowed to carry everywhere you go unless it is a heavily secured area like a prison or a police station or something. If anyone want just waltz in with a gun illegally, I should be able to carry one with my CCW. Let the teachers carry a gun hidden. Nobody would even know they have it.

Run into a bullet.