Keep your mouth shut man, you're bringing down the system!

What the hell?? If this isn't proof that we live in a simulation and we're all just being fucked with, I don't know what is. To the player of this Humanity game up there/out there...you're starting to be too risky in your obvious messing with the system!

The fucking liberals want to take away our guns. We need to fight back with impunity!

What the hell?? If this isn't proof that we live in a simulation and we're all just being fucked with, I don't know what is.

Maybe you don't know what is.

Maybe you're right. Damn.

Well that is bizarre.

Why?

Nuked how? It's a video blog from his vacation.

Nuked hard, this is Reddit. People are dumb, obviously using a Mainstream medium like Reddit will be very easy to manipulate/control. We are literally giving all conspiracies to the government or whoever we believe is running shit. So while we think we are helping by discussing.. Its giving all of our ideas right to the people we are trying to stop.

So if we say this David Hogg kid is a puppet, they already can be steps ahead of us and bring up "proof" that he isn't.

Anyone on this subreddit who believes they can make a difference by posting on here has to be retarded.

Realest post I've seen here.

Because it is so flexible in its reasoning that anything anyone disproves on conspiracy is also right because its nature as being popular on r/conspiracy.

Yeah it did find other outlets. V and the chans

Hi, David.

I can't say one way or the other if this person is a crisis actor but is it not possible that some people go on holiday from one state say Florida to another say California?

Could the argument also be made that most people who go through a traumatic experience would struggle to sound coherent? Not to say that others who have gone through traumatic can't go to the other extreme and appear too calm.

With the evidence you have provided making any kind of judgment is laughable at best.

With the evidence you have provided making any kind of judgment is laughable at best.

This is a conspiracy forum, where we are often forced to speculate on circumstantial evidence. That’s the nature of theory. If it bothers you, stick to mainstream news subs.

I should hope that if concrete evidence of a conspiracy to defraud the American Citizenry were ever made public, that it would be covered far and wide by national news media and prosecuted in the highest courts.

However, we both know that isn’t going to happen.

The notion that 1. Conspiracies don’t happen and 2. Media and Authorities can’t be complicit is demonstrably false, so it’s safe to say, just about anything is possible here.

Funny how you seem to be replying to stuff I didn't say but just to cover your points Speculating on circumstantial is fine but in this example there is none I agree that Conspiracies do happen and Media and Authorities can be complicit.

Link us to a past example where you endorsed a conspiracy theory or admit to being a liar.

I can't because I normally lurk this sub. I am happy to admit that I don't believe in most Conspiracies but I like this sub because government and Media have a lot of power and a check against that can be a good thing. I'm not a religious person either but I still enjoy discussing and reading about religions.

You don't have to prove anything to people who demand evidence that you're a "real" conspiracy theorists. It's such a bullshit gatekeeping technique.

It’s so cute when you guys defend each other!

Awh, you guys too! We all enjoy our little groups, don't we? Too bad yours is so small and keeps generating mass shooters...

Well you’d certainly love for that to be true so you could shut these conversations down once and for all.

You’re so transparent :)

So you believe that people should have to submit proof that they are "real" conspiracy theorists whenever requested?

No, I think it’s pretty apparent by the comments who is and who isn’t actually thinking for themselves here.

It is important to point how clearly skewed the comments are compared to the subject material...

That doesn't seem fair. People can "think for themselves" and come to entirely different conclusions.

Who the fuck made you gatekeeper?

Can YOU link us to a past example where you endorsed a conspiracy theory of any kind whatsoever or NAW?

Just going through my profile you can see I believe in the conspiracy that Putin has Trump by the balls.

Funny how you seem to be replying to stuff I didn't say

Redchevron literally quoted your comment.

Redchevron literally quoted your comment. How Dare you say I eat the last slice of pizza.

See I quoted you but I didn't reply to the quote I replied to something I made up.

This is a conspiracy forum, where we are often forced to speculate on circumstantial evidence. That’s the nature of theory. If it bothers you, stick to mainstream news subs.

This is a the_donald subforum, where we often grasp at straws to try to reach for anything that will discredit the stuff we don't like.

This sub has been around long before T_D.

Nice effort though!

Please insert coin.

This sub was way different before T_D. It's obvious that the moment Hillary was running again that's when this place stopped being about lizard people and started being a place to repost breitbart and conservative tribune nonsense.

I love how much furor there was over the shareblue stuff but the idea that the russian social media ops might have fucked with this SR doesn't even matter, btw...

This sub has been around long before T_D.

True, but it's consistently amusing that this is /r/conspiracy yet any posts alleging a Trump-Russia conspiracy is filled to the brim with skeptics spewing Kremlin talking points.

"Forced"

Please, sir don't make me jump to conclusions. I don't want to accuse these children of being fbi shills but what choice do i have?

You are here entirely by choice, feel free to leave if your jimmies are rustled.

We are “forced” to speculate by virtue of the fact that conspirators operate through deceptive means, but you already knew what I meant didn’t you?

It's fine to speculate on various theories, however, that doesn't mean people here should be forbidden to be skeptical of those theories.

I hope too that if there is concrete evidence that can support a theory that the law and media would take it seriously. Yet that doesn't mean we should pretend we have evidence that doesn't exist or use speculation as an argumentative tool.

The fact that anything is possible is not evidence that a particular thing is possible. Or just in other words, just because something could be true, doesn't mean it is.

How do you know he was on vacation? What if he just transferred from California less than a few months ago? So Hollywood kid with FBI parents moves to school just months before a major shooting...possible.

I don't?

How do you decide when someone becomes the face of the event? I have only seen the person do one interview, is that enough?

He has done 7 live interviews or more in less than a week. His face is literally everywhere on the news.

I took a look and saw 3 at best then lots of them being repeated.

So you found 3 in less than a minute (there are obviously more there). Imagine if you actually search for more.
I would link 7-10 different videos but you would just downvote that too, so not worth the effort. Have a nice day.

Link away friend and I will upvote you.

1.CBS

I up voted you but you only posted 1 video and not the 7 you promised me

What? Multiple news media agencies are sitting down with him with their own interviews; all with the same anti-gun talking points. You're trying really hard to deny the obvious.

Edit 2: that is a lot of interview s but in a couple of them you can see other tv crews so it looks like the kids could be interviewed by multiple station in a short period.

And one video is strange how the reporter, or someone in the background, coaches him and lets him redo the lines several times.

Including a 4 minute video, with editing, that he filmed DURING the shooting.....as a video production student.

Because he made a fucking video on his youtube channel of him boarding a plane to go on vacation.

Hollywood kid??

Oh I get it. (((They))) did this as a FBI/deep state/false flag, right?

As a Floridian, I can confirm we are forbidden to leave our great state. /s

I'd argue that most people who go through traumatic events dont immediately address the media as much as possible with political talking points.

Here's a recent video from this kid's YT channel

100s of free websites will download it for you, Just search for youtube downloader etc

Haha wow, this is kind of bizarre. "We just had our school shot up...this is the fault of congress!"

Your alarm bells should be ringing.

Highschoolers in South America join guerilla death squads and wage revolutions, I don't think we're in uncharted waters yet. Highschoolers are opinionated as shit man.

Kid's dad is a fed. He's probably got a better understanding than most of how govt works. By the way, this is two days after the shooting judging by the title.

Oh man that’s going to get memory holed for sure!

The kid on the left is literally talking about matching up his social media accounts with the name he’s using...

Yeah because arguing over a boogie board on a trash can at the beach is a crisis right? This is isn't evidence this is just people trying to reach for anything they can find to support their already predetermined verdict.

Yeah, I was thinking he was involved in some other shooting, but no, his friend was yelled at by a fussy lifeguard.

In Redondo beach on the other side of the country for a fluff piece targeting an authority figure that also happened to use the trigger term, snowflake. Not proof of anything but curious nonetheless.

if he really is the teenage son of an FBI agent, like OP says, then what's so hard to believe about him living in different places across the country?

Eh its about introducing the face to the societies psyche if you will. Subsconsiouly people remember him and alot of people 'took his side' if you will right? When he comes up on the future he becomes even more memorable and likeable. It's weird entirely that this dudes dad is fbi and suddenly hes in our nations latest school shooting after also being a viral story a few months back.

The only people who would remember him would be people in southern California who watched the human interest story that rolls during the last 2 minutes of the five of clock news on one channel, for one airing, one time. Who the hell is going to remember a kid who had a few seconds of air time at the last minute of the local news show that aired exactly once, six months ago???

Our verdict is almost never trusting the official narrative put out by the club of pals who own ALL the media. And giving less and less credibility to the FBI. When weird inconsistencies arise, we start scrutinizing more things. Don't be conferencing. Try and just sell the best truth you can. Otherwise eat a bag of dicks.

It's one thing to not trust an official narrative but it's another thing altogether to fabricate a weak case against.

And this is a great battle ground in which to set conflicting ideas against one another and see which one wins. Use your words and votes to be effective. Attacking things other than the validity if claims isn't productive

I'm attacking the validity of the claim and the tactic of reaching for evidence to support your bias. If you have a problem with that than I don't really know what else to say to you other than I simply don't care.

In so many words you claimed the cognitive dissonance of the original post clouded his logic. And I, in so many words, told you why it would always be there. But look at me, in sucked into bring just as unproductive. Peace, friendo

They're trying to make the argument that he shouldn't be in two different states.

But there is a video on David Hogg's YouTube channel that he made of him getting on a plane and flying to LA from Florida.

I support multiple gunmen theories and MKULTRA brainwashing, but not this. Using kids as crisis actors? One of them would talk. Harder to threaten kids with killing them if they don't comply because they're kids.

his dad is fbi. so even though you want to act like you’ll believe anything, this is more than enough proof that he was rolled out for San Bernardino and Parkland.

The fbi employs over 35 thousand workers, and THIS is your proof. Mmkay.

Harder to threaten kids with killing them if they don't comply because they're kids.

You think it's easier to threaten an adult than a child? This statement is so completely devoid of any sort of logic that it is truly laughable. Also, who said anything about threatening? If they are indeed crisis actors, one would assume they are doing it willingly.

Adults have children you can threaten, loved ones you can torture, and a crippling sense of their own mortality.

Children are naive enough not to understand the first two on occasion, and have absolutely no sense of the third

You must have been downvoted by children, have an upvote

Firstly, he's 17. Not 7.

Secondly, "children" don't have parents and loved ones they can have tortured? They don't have an innate fear of things they can't understand??

I didn't say they wouldn't think about it. What I'm saying it that if you put a 17 year old in front of huge amounts of the mainstream media, with the promise that has to say this or bad things will happen to his family, they are probably more likely to believe that whisteblowing in that moment, in front of all those cameras, is worth it. That it will work out because of the massive public impact of saying it right then and there.

Why are adults not as likely to do this? Well firstly because the sort of person who could walk into your home and tell you this is what you are going to do would register completely differently to an adult then a 17 year old. To an adult, this person is the sort of boogeyman that you thought was just restricted to films and tom Clancy novels. He can and will kill you, and make it look like an accident, even if you say that sort of things in front of all those people, because the only way a man like that exists is because he is successful at having done stuff like this before. The same goes for his threats to your family.

Furthermore, a threat to your child is in some way different to a threat to a parent. Because of how a 17 year old might view their parents, they might think that they have a chance at protecting them by talking to the media. For an adult, the position of vulnerability a child is in, means that even taking that chance would be too much to risk. A 17 year old can't be called, told "Get out of town and run, people are coming to kill you." with any expectation they'll make it far. With an adult, you might be able to manage something, at least enough to believe speaking out might work.

Because of how a 17 year old might view their parents

You don't think people who are capable of orchestrating something like this would consider that?

A 17 year old can't be called, told "Get out of town and run, people are coming to kill you." with any expectation they'll make it far.

Who is going to tell them that anyway? This isn't a movie.

they are probably more likely to believe that whisteblowing in that moment, in front of all those cameras, is worth it.

I disagree.

To an adult, this person is the sort of boogeyman that you thought was just restricted to films and tom Clancy novels. He can and will kill you, and make it look like an accident, even if you say that sort of things in front of all those people, because the only way a man like that exists is because he is successful at having done stuff like this before. The same goes for his threats to your family.

All of this applies equally to a 17 year old.

The point I was making is that you can, as an adult, readily believe your 17 year old son is too vulnerable to even consider risking the chance for you to whistleblow in the hopes of also by doing so protect him.

A 17 year old might not believe this. And no, I don't imagine your average 17 year old has enough life experience and understanding of the world to actually understand the amount of danger they would be in just by sharing a room with that person. I don't know quite how to phrase it, but for someone who is 30 years old, having lived through life, the understanding of what that person IS and what they signify would be completly different compared to a younger person.

Neither of us has any evidence to support our assertions so I guess it's a case of agree to disagree.

The board incident happened in August first week. Clearly school is not in session first week. I don't get why that's so hard to comprehend.

I don't understand the significance of this statement.

In Florida school starts at the beginning of August.

Broward county started school on the 21st.

This is an issue of extreme rightwing fanatics being more susceptible to paranoid schizophrenia and conspiracy theories.

This post is so adorable given the MUH RUSSIA conspiracy nonsense the left has attached themselves to. Because that has exactly as much hard evidence for it as anything discussed on this subreddit.

Circumstantial Evidence : n. evidence in a trial which is not directly from an eyewitness or participant and requires some reasoning to prove a fact. There is a public perception that such evidence is weak ("all they have is circumstantial evidence"), but the probable conclusion from the circumstances may be so strong that there can be little doubt as to a vital fact ("beyond a reasonable doubt" in a criminal case, and "a preponderance of the evidence" in a civil case). Particularly in criminal cases, "eyewitness" ("I saw Frankie shoot Johnny") type evidence is often lacking and may be unreliable, so circumstantial evidence becomes essential. Prior threats to the victim, fingerprints found at the scene of the crime, ownership of the murder weapon, and the accused being seen in the neighborhood, certainly point to the suspect as being the killer, but each bit of evidence is circumstantial.

But there is a video on David Hogg's YouTube channel that he made of himself getting on a plane and flying to LA from Florida to go on vacation.

Wrong. He literally says, "Just trying to enjoy the nice weather while it lasts before I have to go back to Florida..."

And yet here is the video that /u/edgarallenbro was talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mIRvJYmH6s

This is a short video I made when I headed out to Los Angeles a week ago. Published on Aug 5, 2017

My mistake, I read his post wrong and thought he was implying that he was in Florida on vacation (aka doesn't live there because he's a deep state crisis actor silliness), not LA.

They're trying to make the argument that he shouldn't be in two different states.

No, it's the fact that he passed him initiation of mainstream media inauguration with his bit in California. Why the hell would that make national news to begin with?

Not to mention he's the son of an FBI agent, and everybody knows the deep state and media are intertwined together.

I think it made news because the video he posted on YouTube is funny.

Local news is barely "mainstream media" unless that term has expanded to mean literally anyone who films with something that can't fit in their pocket. The kid is a vlogger. He makes a vlog about him going to the beach. His friend gets into an argument with a lifeguard and he records it. Soon later an LA local news station does a story on the incident and interviews him as a witness. His dad worked for the FBI but is retired four years ago. It's not that hard to believe.

Oh, you've spent some time in this sub I see.

Not sure if sarcasm but yeah I've been on this sub since pretty much its inception.

Usually when I see these exchanges it's between accounts that are both less than 6 months old, so this is refreshing :)

Why do people in r/conspiracy pay attention to account date creation?

If you're in r/conspiracy but aren't creating a new account every X number of months then you must be just here for entertainment purposes because any conspiracy theorist worth their nuts is gonna want to reboot their identity every now and then.

I think it's part of the shill-calling culture that's evolved here and general paranoia. It's become a way to dismiss people instead of actual discussion or making strong arguments.

This sub bans quite a number of people so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that there are new accounts around. Additionally, people buy old accounts, or, as you mentioned, regularly wipe their accounts history, so really not always a good way to tell if someone is disingenuous or not.

Dang its so hard to find good crisis actors these days! You would think an organization like the US government would have better casting department, but noooo. They keep recycling these hacks due to budget cuts.

So the kid whose dad lives a mile away from the school in one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in Parkland can't go on a California vacation?

I don't think its proof that he is a crisis actor, I think its a piece of information that might fill in the bigger picture at a later date.

The chances of getting on the news in this country is extremely low, like once in a lifetime event.

To get on the news twice in 5 months is so rare when your a just a average person and considering he was across the country just having a normal day. To be involved in a school mass shooting is extremely rare just by itself. To have all of those three things happens to someone, is almost seems like it was on purpose. I have a feeling we will be seeing more of David for years to come.

I've been on the local news three times in my life. As in interviewed. And twice in the local paper.

I'm nobody.

All it takes is being in the right place at the right time. Being in a densely populated area increases the odds dramatically. Florida and California are both very populated.

Ok...

All I'm saying is it's unlikely for one of those things to happen for the average person in their life, its even more unlikely for two of them but to have all three occur in a period of 5 months is probably freakishly rare, maybe winning the biggest lotto 5 times in a row kinda rare.

How many people you know are on the news twice? The guy is an actor and both stories are bullshit. Go fuck yourself shill

You don't know what shill means

This whole situation is kinds weird, isn't it? David Hogg at the two major tragic events? Something's not adding up and there's more to it than meets the eye.

He was allegedly at the parkland shooting, what was the other "major tragic event" he was at?

It’s unlikely that someone would be involved in two separate TV interviews, especially in two states on opposite ends of the country. Even more unlikely that this person, a tv production student, was selected randomly. The California event was not a tragic event, and that commenter should edit their post.

I agree with all of this

Wait, you think it's unlikely for someone to be involved in two TV interviews in different states? Based on what?

The odds of getting one TV interview are low, getting two for separate incidents are lower, getting two interviews in two different states for two different incidents even lower.

Klay Thompson was picked in New York to give an interview about scaffolding I think.

Klay Thompson is also someone who talks to the media nearly every week as part of his career and contract.

And he was picked at random in a city far from where he lives by an unsuspecting journo.

A lifeguard allegedly bullying him in California is a major tragic event?

neverforget

HE’S ALSO A FUCKING TV PRODUCTION STUDENT....

http://time.com/5158678/what-to-know-about-the-active-shooter-situation-at-florida-high-school/ https://i.imgur.com/6xgVfI2.jpg

That's either the wrong link in your comment or you're just making shit up. Care to support your claim with a better link?

Under the “Students and teachers described ‘the worst nightmare” section, paragraph two.

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Please don’t accuse me of “making shit up” because you are too lazy to search on your own.

Yeah I just skimmed the article and didn't see anything. Was hoping you would post something more define which you did so thanks.

No problem, Unfortunately it is unable to let me link to the exact section, that’s why I added the screen grab.

Like a little Anderson Cooper in the making

Guilty.

Ok so here's the thing:

If you go look at his YouTube channel, he's vlogging his trip to California. Also, was the boogie board thing really a crisis? His buddy put a boogie board on a trash can, then got into a shitfit with the lifeguard over it. They posted the video everywhere and the local news picked it up.

The guy hopes to be a video personality and always has. He's running the little school TV station there on his campus. It doesn't seem weird to me that he would consistently put himself out there on video. It also doesn't seem weird to me that he'd make a few camera-ready preps because of this, to include preparing what he's going to say. He's also 17, so it's not weird to me that he'd fuck those lines up, either.

That's just me.

During an active schooling shooter threat, you think a 17 year old kid would be filming himself blaming congress and demanding gun control, asking other kids how they feel about gun control? Because that wouldn’t be my reaction

Depends how threatened you feel. While I was stationed in Iraq we were being attacked at least once per day. During the summer period of that year we had indirect fire 168 times in 126 days. Only twice were we even nervous, because your brain tends to hold you calm if the threat is not imminently apparent. On the two occasions that mortars hit near our location, we were singing a different song altogether and took far more concern in our PAR sweeps. Rest of the time the alarm red was... annoying, I dare say. We even had a guy making jokes about how he volunteers for PAR sweeps because then he gets to have a smoke before the all-clear is sounded.

My point is, he never had direct contact with the shooter. He got hustled into a hiding spot without ever getting a glimpse of the reality of the situation he was in. Hell, according to his testimony, he ended up in the hallway because he heard the fire alarm and started just filing out of the building.

Now compare his video to the one the kid took who actually saw the shooter. Had Hogg actually seen the shooter, I imagine the two videos would have been far more similar.

Good point, proximity definitely a factor, although its a little stretch comparison of active deployment soldiers and unarmed school kids.

For many of the people I was out there with, the age and experience levels were not all that much different. Regardless, my point is that for most people it's easy to dismiss a threat that's not right in front of your face. This is why environmentalism is such a debate, or how nobody's freaking out that we're all just hurtling through infinite space on a high speed rock with zero control, and there are literally billions of things out there that could snuff us all out just by floating nearby. Your amygdala is a fascinating little hunk of meat.

The art of misdirection.

Are you telling a veteran what he does and doesn't get to compare a situation to, when he's had it and you haven't?

Are you trying to start a personal argument instead of joining the debate? I agreed with the poster, but a bunch of high school kids is not the same as active duty soldiers, who experienced combat nearly every day.

It's a stretch to allege that a survivor of a school shooting is crisis actor, but here we are.

Yup....discussing a conspiracy in a conspiracy forum....

But he was making a video in real-time about gun control because of the active shooter. That seems to point to him understanding what’s going on at the time

Understanding is fine, but he's not in close proximity of the shooter. Obviously your reaction and priorities would change.

Very informative post. You raise some interesting points. Doesn't change my mind about this particular kid though he's a fame-hungry social justice warrior.

It's also weird how so many top comments here seem to just know he was vlogging his trip to California like it was a common fact. Why would anyone even know that? Almost like it was a planned response.

That wouldn't be your reaction, but go to a high school and ask every single kid their thoughts about school shootings and gun control. That would definitely be at least one of their reactions.

Oh I agree with, but given the setting (literally the same time the kid is walking around the school murdering their peers) I think they would only be thinking and praying to stay alive.

Also if there's an active shooter I'm not trying to talk and make noice hinting at where I may be hiding. I would make the video after.

It is an odd time to make a video that's for sure.

Crazy downvoting going on here...hit a nerve.

It’s a travesty what has happened to this sub.

The posts have changed a lot and the amount of back and forth has become a lot more negative.

I used to lurk over 8 years ago and the posts were about aliens, Iran contra, the government doing weird shit, and 9/11. The comments were more "you're wrong and this research says why" or watch this and tell me if you agree... So on and so on. Now its "you're wrong, you shill" "how can you believe that conspiracy" and then when you provide your evidence its all shitting on your source with no facts or othef information backing up why the source is bad

I guess so. It is difficult to have discussions in this sub on some topics, or even express a view point/what you would do in a given situation.

i don't understand why this comment is getting downvoted lol

Again I don't doubt this would be your reaction (and mine), but this high school had hundreds of teenaged kids in it. You don't think at least one of them wanted to be a YouTube celebrity bad enough to do something like that?

Let's for sake of argument say he had this reaction organically. Doesn't that put him in some category of delusion?

Exactly. Look at that Logan Paul kid who videotaped a hanged man in Aokigahara.

Yo an ACTIVE SHOOTER. People literally getting sliced open with rounds and this kid is making a political vid. At a minimum, the kid’s a bit looney ...

Okay sure but that doesn't mean he's a crisis actor. Looney teenagers are a dime a dozen.

Agree probably not an actor. But just an attention whore looking for his 15 ...

So then we can drop this discussion and get this stupid topic off the front page of /r/conspiracy.

You are welcome to visit whatever thread you please.

Make your agenda more obvious

I really like talking about aliens and government oppression and secret societies and this doesn't have anything to do with any of that. Sorry.

Honestly, in todays society, that's 'normal' behaviour.

Is the real problem. And it won't be discussed.

He's creepy af. Not to mention a smug dickhead.

There was a teacher's strike when I was in gr 11 and the office staff tried to keep the classes going. As kids we mostly walked out in support of the teachers and crossing a picket line is pretty lame.

Well the media shows up and a bunch of kids all milled about to get on tv.

They only played one clip. One moron saying that the students walked out in protest of the teachers messing our education.

Fucking Darin.

Well, you're one person out of a few billion, so your anecdotal evidence of "Well, I wouldn't do it," doesn't hold much sway.

So you think having a more panicked or flustered reaction to a school shooting (as opposed to a calm, make an interview video about it) is less normal ?

I think any reaction could be normal because not every brain works through trauma in the short term in the same way. The last time someone close to me died, it took 4 days before I started feeling anything in a really major way, and it was when I was asked what I wanted at a drive through. Brains are tricky, and in crisis, they'll do anything they can to maintain focus rather than lose control. It's an evolutionary defense mechanism. Some people are able to zoom in on something to focus on so they can compartmentalize the freakout until they're in a situation where they're less likely to die. Some people freak out right away, some people take videos because in that moment which may be their last, they feel it's the only thing they can control.

Top explanation makes sense, I agree with you on that. Bottom half I will have to disagree, is there any other instance of during a LIVE school shooting, kids making videos demanding congress fix the problem?

No, but are you saying that it's impossible for that to be a potential reaction? Because if you agreed with the top explanation, I don't see how you can argue with the bottom. People react differently to different stimuli because every brain works differently.

People react differently to different stimuli because every brain works differently.

Yes, but that doesn't preclude the ability for humans to see through BS.

Intuition is key to human thought.

Intuition is not key to human thought, otherwise you have to explain why people who intuit the same events differently.

Intuition is an important aspect but it isn't key; in fact I'd say our ability ignore intuition is more important. Ignoring something that feels intuitive is what allows us to use the scientific method.

Wrong. Intuition is what gives birth to hypothesis.

Sure, but the fact we can throw out that intuitive thought if the evidence is against is key.

Wrong again. Just because you don't have the evidence YET doesn't mean that your intuition is automatically incorrect.

Now you're overstating my premise. No where did I say if there is the slightest piece of evidence against something you just throw it out.

I am not wrong; the scientific method is the greatest things humans have accomplished. Intuition is not the scientific method it is very much a rigorous unintuitive process.

we can throw out that intuitive thought if the evidence is against

"If evidence" is against is key. That is the circumstance with conspiracies. People will actively provide "evidence" that is manufactured, thus not evidence at all.

"If evidence" is against is key. That is the circumstance with conspiracies. People will actively provide "evidence" that is manufactured, thus not evidence at all.

Sure, which I enjoy debating what is or isn't evidence. My point was intuition may satisfy you, but it isn't key to human thought.

Intuition just means you have a feeling and who knows what unconscious biases and history paints that feeling.

Intuition is the cornerstone of human thought. See here.

Read Kant's Critique of Pure Reason and Thinking Fast and Slow if you want a decent answer to your debate here.

What chess players do at a GM level is not intution per se, but the internalisation of non intutive knowledge to the point it becomes like intuition. Same as chinese number counters who can do multiplications faster then anyone else, but then can't tell you the actual process or the middle numbers of their calculations. That is not intuition in the same sense as "I just heard a twig snap. That means someone is nearby" or "I intuit that I can jump the distance between these two gaps" or "I intuitively feel that opera is more complex then rap".

Intuition is a cornerstone to human thought, yes, but it is also the most easily tricked part of human thought. Intuition is tied up very often with emotional and psychological predisposition and while scientific theory is not completely unbiased, it actively works to avoid corruption by such variables.

It's still intuition and pattern recognition.

I'm not saying it's correct 100% of the time, I was just saying that it's critical to human thought and we shouldn't throw out intuition. It was a response to the commenter saying intuition is less important than scientific process; he's got it backwards. There can be no scientific method without levels of intuition.

There is no normal reaction to such a situation. Some people will panic and start screaming; some people will be very calm and help others; some people will freeze; some people will become very analytical; some people will cry; some people will get angry; some people may even laugh at the insanity of what's happening.

neither would I, or most sane people so that's a lot to add.

You can't make this particular brand of generalized assertion about 'most sane people' with any degree of accuracy.

Who do you think you’re convincing by throwing out such an obviously uninformed generalization?

I think you should read a couple books on psychology. That statement is very ignorant to how the human brain works. We aren’t all made in a factory and human behavior isn’t anywhere near as objective/black and white as you are making it sound.

That's an interesting sample size. We talking like US + China + India?

We’re supposed to have about 7.6 billion on the eart right now, so that’s what I was referring to.

I was just being sassy about the "few'"part. Your actual point stands either way.

Ah, sorry. My critical reading skill leaves me after 11. G'Night to you.

Okay, well, how many students have gone around conducting interviews during mass shootings before this?

Oh, none?

Wow.

Guess it's not that fucking common.

Fucking faggot.

It wouldn't be my reaction either, but I could definitely see an over-eager student journalist doing exactly that sort of thing.

The problem is that he didn't have all the facts. What if it turned out that the gun used was stolen from the FBI (as many guns are)? What if the gun was purchased with a fake ID or otherwise illegally purchased? His entire narrative turned on the fact that the gun was legally acquired -- a fact that he did not know at that time and would make him look pretty stupid if it turned out that the gun used was stolen from his dad (who is an FBI agent) or otherwise acquired illegally.

During an active schooling shooter threat, you think a 17 year old kid would be filming himself blaming congress and demanding gun control

Was this kid filming himself saying that during the shooting?

http://www.latimes.com/visuals/video/95939817-132.html

Interesting. But still, this looks like what a 17 year old that thinks the

Interesting. But to me this looks more like the result of having millennials that grow up with phones and social media everywhere, thinking that all of their thoughts need to go up online, not somebody being coached on what to say.

Do you think that the latter is the case?

Not sure, I mean I’m willing to ignore the “CNN coaching video” because the kid could just be nervous and having trouble speaking. But this? It seems too bizarre. If I went to this school, I would have known the shooter (cruz, who Hogg identifies in the video) and Id be more freaked out about how I and others knew he would do something like this (as the police reports, FBI reports, and School punishments suggest) rather than make some speech against congress?

Seems to me like you're applying post-shooting logic to the past in order to advance the anti-FBI line.

You imply it's strange that the kid seems to know what to say and is being 'coached' on it by CNN, yet you also seem to think that this shooting was done by a regular kid looking to shoot up the school (read: authentic shooting, not a 'false flag' attack) that could have been prevented.

If this shooting was done by a mentally disturbed kid, it was on a random day that nobody besides him could have expected. Do you honestly think that the kid was coached by the dems/MSM on what to say, before the shooting happened? Because them a) finding a kid willing to say what they are told to say b) 'coaching him' is not something that could have happened in the period of time between after the shooting started and those videos being taken place.

The 'it could have been prevented by the FBI' and 'the dems taught them what to say' ideas are mutually exclusive unless you do some serious mental gymnastics.

Also, you're misreading them knowing it was Cruz. It's not that they said they knew he would do that. They said that when it happened, they knew it was him because he was the obvious suspect. A lot of high schools have that trouble kid who everybody jokes about being a school shooter. Just because he was the likely suspect doesn't mean they knew he was going to do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

When it comes to mental gymnastics, thus sub is the fuckin summer Olympics.

You meant Tonya Harding, not the summer Olympics because that makes no sense at all.

So far everything points to him being a normal kid. But what’s strange if they knew Cruz was reported to the fbi. I would guess Hogg’s father would be on top of that shit faster than a fly.

Yet his “former fbi father” didn’t do shit. Can somebody explain this?

Yes, it's a simple explanation to come to if you're not actively trying to discredit the FBI.

The FBI gets so many of these reports. I'm sure you had a kid in your high school that everybody thought might snap and shoot up the school on a random day. Lets say you're the and you FBI get a tip that a kid said he was going to shoot up the school. Unless you're going to take that tip as evidence and lock him up (which you can't in a fair society), you have very little actions you can take to interfere with his life. You can actively watch him, but that's about it. You also need to remember that most shooters that are serious (and most criminals, terrorists, etc) aren't going to publicly tell people about their plan. You also need to respond to the hundreds of other reports of somebody threatened to shoot something up, while remembering that the majority of such reports are nothing. So in reality, there's a limit to the number of resources you can put to one individual.

Either that or you can assume that

a) ALL the FBI is looking at Trump and so they are distracted (which people who don't know how the FBI works are saying)

or

b) the FBI knew that the kid wasn't a threat but didn't do anything hoping that the kid would shoot up the school so Hogg can go on camera and ask for gun control after being coached by the dems, which is idiotic because it literally rests on a roll of the dice and this narrative was made after the shooting by connecting dots that were not connected before. And if that's what you think, see my previous post:

Seems to me like you're applying post-shooting logic to the past in order to advance the anti-FBI line.

In one video they showed Cruz leaving a comment on YouTube saying he’s going to be a professional school shooter. That was reported to the fbi and fbi concluded they can’t find him the poster of the comments.
They can’t find someone that’s attending the same high school of a kid what his father is former FBI. Idk... just wacky

Im not pointing to conspiracy. I’m saying this oddly strange.

They can’t find someone that’s attending the same high school of a kid what his father is former FBI.

This literally had nothing to do with the investigation. The dad is former FBI, and for all we know he might have worked on white collar crimes or drug stuff. Again, just because there are dots that you can connect doesn't mean they are connected.

You right. I was saying this is just odd to me. That’s all. There’s no dots to be connected even if he is an actor/journalist.

There’s no dots to be connected even if he is an actor/journalist.

Lmao he's not an actor/journalist. He is a kid that went to high school. There is literally no evidence of him being an actor/journalist aside from him being in a local news story in CA about a viral video, which is not actual evidence.

The way he articulates him self after a massacre is a little strange.

I gave interview when two class mates died in a terror attack when I was 15 and let me tell you it wasn’t easy. The moment you start thinking of them you break down. This guy sound too professional. Again. You right. No evidence. Just pure speculation.

He also did that just as eloquently literally during the shooting while the school was in lockdown.

For the right wing conspiracy theory to be right, they must have know that the shooting would happen and prepped him ahead of time, OR they prepped him during the shooting. Both of which are preposterous.

Like I said, all these theories only make sense if you're coming in from a perspective that is trying to discredit the FBI. It's why nobody has ever blamed the FBI like this following the many mass shootings that have happened the last few years; nobody has had a political reason to blame the FBI.

The 'it could have been prevented by the FBI' and 'the dems taught them what to say' ideas are mutually exclusive unless you do some serious mental gymnastics.

It takes no serious mental gymnastics to connect the FBI, the Sheriff, and CNN to the Clinton Mafia. The compromises with regard to the first are extensive and well-documented; the second, documented by the Clinton campaign itself; the third, obvious to the stupidest person and also confirmed beyond deniability in the DNC emails.

The only mentally gymnastic feat is getting over the psychological horror that there are actually people who would do something like this (and much much worse) on purpose in order to advance a political agenda, gain power or other advantage.

Ask some questions.

Why the scripting? By Hogg, by CNN?

Why the deceptions from the Sheriff as to what the situation on the ground was (and we find out later 3 deputies were there and did nothing)?

Why the immediate full-court political press?

Why still no answers from the FBI? Why more interest in getting resignations from them than answers? Why the immediate scapegoating of specific officials?

Why the continued full-court political press in the face of overwhelming evidence of repeated system failure?

This is more than just cynical politicization. This is goal-seeking behavior.

I'm sorry to rudely disturb you, sunshine, but in the real world these things do happen and this looks like one of them. It sure as hell is a more robust explanation than the players involved are providing.

It takes no serious mental gymnastics to connect the FBI, the Sheriff, and CNN to the Clinton Mafia. The compromises with regard to the first are extensive and well-documented; the second, documented by the Clinton campaign itself; the third, obvious to the stupidest person and also confirmed beyond deniability in the DNC emails.

You didn't connect anything, you just said words. That's not convincing me or anyone that doesn't already believe you.

The only mentally gymnastic feat is getting over the psychological horror that there are actually people who would do something like this (and much much worse) on purpose in order to advance a political agenda, gain power or other advantage.

You mean like scripting a town hall?

Why the scripting? By Hogg, by CNN?

Yes you do. CNN released the emails with Haab, turns out his dad gave Carlson doctored emails.. So no, the situation is literally the opposite of how you're presenting it. He wanted to make CNN look bad.

The FBI may have fucked up, and same with the sheriff but you have in no way proven some sort of conspiracy.

I didn't say anything was proven.

I said it stinks like a dead fish and everyone involved appears to be slime which begs the question of motives. AKA foul play - something that should not be a mind-blowing concept.

Since my last we now have a leaked FBI transcript, and an incident of leaking is yet further evidence of foul play.

There is much here that is not what it desperately pretends to be.

Send me that leaked transcript?

So he did film himself whispering during the shooting. But when he starts asking questions lots of people are talking because they believe, correctly, that the shooting was over but they were still on lockdown.

Kid wants YouTube money. Kid wants to be an activist. Doesn't mean he's an FBI plant.

Still, it's not nothing and worth noting.

I think this is the most level-headed reasonable assumption so far. I combed through his reddit profile and it seems like hes just a regular kid, but just how they jumped at the opportunity to blame congress, the nra, (with zero time for mourning) was very bizarre

It's not that bizarre to me. This is an ongoing national conversation.

There was just a school shooting in Kentucky not too long ago that had people talking about it. Las Vegas wasn't that long ago. Orlando only a year before that. Sandy Hook came up quite a bit in the 2016 elections because of Alex Jones' association with Trump.

When you're in a school shooting and political minded and on the left your first thought is going to be to blame congress and the NRA. Because those are the people they hold responsible.

I mean the kid made a video during the shooting talking about this things. Not the day after, not later that night, but during the lockdown of the shooting where 17 of his peers corpses are scattered around his school.

And we're back to my first reply.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7yw9yv/meet_crisis_actor_david_hogg_son_of_fbi_agent/dul1yqp/

Except they are not responsible. Calling the NRA and 2nd Amendment supporters child murderers is emotional manipulation of the highest order and it's fucking disgusting.

It's so obviously not true. The big problem pis that the left is doing what they always do, launch a series of emotional appeals bc their arguments don't have a fucking leg to stand on. Call their opponents names, absolutely ridiculous ones in this case, and refuse to get into a logical discussion.

There's no desire to compromise on the left, it's either David Hogg's way or you're a child murderer.

All this is going to do is cause gun owners to dig in their heels. Most of them are going to be pissed off and this emotional manipulation isn't going to work on them anymore. Very similar to what happened in the election.

Agree...I’m not a gun owner or nra member, and typically I’m one of the few “undecideds” each election and it’s become sickeningly disgusting and obvious to me what’s happening here. A kid who cares more about fame and attention than anything else and willing to sell himself to cnn, alienate tens of millions of people, throw out many immoral and patently disgusting comments about innocent people (Rubio and Loesch) and trash our god given right to self protection all to gain what he craves. I hope and believe more that share my political moderation see how obvious and embarrassingly awful this is and once again coalesce into the silent majority that ends up showing him how hollow making arrogant and hollow choices are when this whole movement is crushed overwhelmingly when they move to take away a civil right we’re given by god and the constitution. And perhaps then he’ll learn the history and philosophy he’s extremely ignorant in and finally get the education his school has deprived him of that put him on the wrong side of history.

You guys are all playing this little twat’s game. Plenty of people use a tragedy for personal gain, and that is what this kid is doing. You really think a 17 year old can’t seduce what message will get him national media attention!?

Probably a narcissist or sociopath, doesn’t give two shits about people being killed as long as he can use it for his own gain. Watch the movie “Nightcrawler” for a portrayal of the same thing. Not everyone is “moved” by people getting killed.

Stop giving this guy attention.

Or he genuinely believes he has a chance to stop more children being killed if he speaks well at the right time and place.

He might still be an attention whoring dick, that doesn't mean he might not have good intentions.

Have you seen Shot in the Dark?

ditto eltwat of the BIGGEST degree, prepped answers, has an answer for EVERY question, has policy ideas in his arsenal like a super kid and just so happens to be at this school after being in Hollywood in August 16 2017, which is 5 days before school started!!.......And why does his Vlog have a convenient 6 month GAP....? His last cali Video: She Believed It 16,351 views

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i don't think the kid is 17.

His reddit says he is.

Check his telomeres!

Exactly This!

You got to be ahead of the curve in this world. He seen opportunity and maybe already understand how you separate yourselves from others.

During an active school shooter threat, you think a 17 year old kid would be filming himself blaming congress and demanding gun control, asking other kids how they feel about gun control? Because that wouldn’t be my reaction

Probably why it's him and not you that's on TV!

someone said this about me in high school cause i wanted to be politically active. i think there's a belief that people tend to believe others have their same shitty qualities which is in fact not true.

The kids were told ahead of time that there was a planned staged shooting on the same day. Many of the children though it was an act until it was too late.

Well that’s an interesting coincidence, I’ve also read that they didn’t know what exact day it was so not sure which is correct.

No one is like you, you special snowflake you

Thank you for the ad hominem insult, it’s people like you that dont contribute to discussions and make this sub a worse place overall.

It wasn’t an ad hominem. It was a perfectly reasonable response to your dumbass argument of “durh it’s not what I would do and everyone knows what I would do is the only possible thing that could be done so that kid is an idiot!”

The world doesn’t revolve around you. Just cause you would do something doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do at that moment.

Okay.

He's 23 years old.

RUSSIAN SHILL!

/s

One of his vlogs he brags about lying to a girl about being shot, and her believing it. . .

Was he shot?

link?

https://youtu.be/B36d4AC8nfE

He doesn't brag about being shot...

Pretty soon after we told Nassim (random girl he and his friends met) that I met Noah precariously shooting him in the leg...anyways she left soon after that

So? A teenager lied to impress a girl... stop the presses!

that's his point....

LOL really this is your response?

Is this is supposed to be a big twist reveal or something?

To me it doesn't provide any proof either way. I mean he recorded it himself; it's not like he was caught lying.

If this was some big crisis actor false flag thing, wouldn't they at least remove the video?

I think the issue is that he has no issues lying and manipulating people - so why should we believe his very suspicious video - outtakes and all - if truly genuine? You have to admit it's odd.

The point is he's lying about that so why couldn't he be lying about being at two locations and surviving both shooting events for publicity? It's not the first time that this has happened nor is it unusual for the press to not background check those they put on television if it suits their narrative.

Actually if you read the other responses CountFarussi exaggerated the claim anyway.

He didn't lie about being shot; here is what he said:

Pretty soon after we told Nassim (random girl he and his friends met) that I met Noah precariously shooting him in the leg...anyways she left soon after that

I did that with a spider bite once, where's my shill money?

I'd assume everyone interested in this theory has already heard the commonly pushed MSM narrative for Kevin Hogg. Why go and share the idea as if it's your unique perspective on the matter?

Why does this comment have 100+ upvotes? It adds nothing new to the discussion. All you've said is that you basically don't think this theory is correct but you haven't provided any depth behind that thought, you're just being completely dismissive of the idea before we even start talking about it.

Can you not entertain the idea that maybe government agencies like the FBI could be involved in some way with the recent school shooting? You're right, Kevin Hogg could be a totally normal kid, but that's not the idea we're discussing here.

If Kevin Hogg is honestly involved with the FBI, wouldn't you want to know that?

Of course I would, but so far it hasn't been provided.

If he were at two different school shootings, I'd be listening. However, we're not talking about that. We're talking about him being at a school shooting, and this one time his friend had a spat with a teenager-hating lifeguard and they recorded it.

Of course I would, but so far it hasn't been provided.

That would be your biggest misconception. You seem to think the truth just falls into your lap. In order to find out more, we have to actually discuss and investigate the possibility in the first place.

So, when you come in here and basically shut down the conversation before it begins, it seems kind of counter-productive.

The fact still stands, David Hogg is a former FBI agent whose son is now involved as basically the face of public relations with a bi-partisan message for a controversial school shooting and that is worth investigating more to me.

Can someone find me a link on this Kevin Hogg FBI agent? Seriously. All that comes up is an actor, and this conspiracy chain. PS- even if he exists, FBI agents sons can also live a life.

Thank god someone else asked it. Where the fuck is this information coming from?

Because his father is a former fbi agent. So far that is all the reasoning you have for it.

Any other evidence?

Because his father is a former fbi agent. So far that is all the reasoning you have for it.

That's all the reasoning I have for what? The desire to have a conversation about the possibility of a theory? Yes, you got me, all I have is an idea shared by OP and a dream to discuss.

Any other evidence?

Why do I need evidence to discuss an idea? If anything, the violent out-lash of negative comments against this theory is evidence enough that the idea is worth discussing. This negative reaction has only given the idea more traction. All that you and comments like yours have done is motivated the usual people in this sub to explore this idea more.

Open discussion is cherished here, so please do keep on your crusade to belittle everyone's ideas, it only makes them grow stronger.

Any other questions?

I am fine with open discussion. What I am doing is being sceptical of claims being made, which is an essential part of an open discussion, when we are talking about the death of 17 people being a false flag attack, wherein the children we now see on tv are being called liars and sociopaths.

The idea that the more criticism an idea gets, the MORE it should be valued is counter to literally every school of investigative discussion. While you don't NEED evidence to discuss an idea, if you want anyone to consider it plausible, you need supporting evidence, of which we right now do not have, beyond a 17 year old boy having a father who works in federal law enforcement.

I promise you the ides that the florida shooting is a false flag attack is getting weaker, not stronger, since most reasonable people are not seeing many convincing IDEAS, that prove it to be so.

Outright dismissal of the subject is not skepticism. Nobody said anything about the “value” of an idea but you. The value of an idea is completely subjective, you can’t quantify the value of an idea.

I said the negative backlash is only going to make people in this sub more interested in exploring the idea. You put words in my mouth and twist others, you stifle discussion, and lie by omission. I think we’re finished here. Don’t quit your day job.

Just because he documented his trip doesn't mean he wasn't going for the purpose of the interview/shooting. I see what you're saying, but it doesn't really takes away from the possibility of the initial claim.

if he isn't 100% crisis actor, then he is a psychopath or sociopath. his interview with fox is a dead giveaway

8:098:09

TheyTube took it down. Surprise!

Shill go fuck yourself

https://i.imgur.com/GZRyEsB.gif

He works for CNN and you faggot shills here on Reddit upvote this fucking pos

Thanks for the logical response.

I agree with all your points, except his interview about the shooting is clearly him recalling lines that are scripted. I've been in TV and Movies a long time, i see people reheasing, ad libbing, etc take after take all day long.

I'm not saying it couldn't be that this kid prewrote his statement to get his thoughts together, maybe he even trying to be a reporter oneday, and wanted to show he could maintain composure. It's just definititely a script he's recalling.

https://youtu.be/OXdALtZlYio

Can any of the students confined he’s a student at that high school. That would put a lot of this to rest.

Here's the thing:

You cannot be at two shootings that's just impossible because no one makes plans to be at a second high school for vacation that just doesn't happen.

It's not unusual for the government to use crisis actors it happened in Charlottesville when they bused in both the KKK and BLM actors on the same bus and then drove away as quickly as possible hoping no one would notice.

And finally, it's not unusual for the media outlets to never background check their personalities before bringing them on tv.

Any truth to the story that he claims "I remember Columbine" , a horrific event that happened a year before he was born? Hell, I wonder if he remembers the Alamo too.

An Insufferable attention seeker whose points are diminished by f-bombs. I think he should hook up with the "Cash me Ousside" charmer. Perfect match IMO.

David Hogg filmed students during the shooting to get their thoughts on gun control.

http://www.latimes.com/visuals/video/95939817-132.html

See if you can spot an agenda.

Jeez, I can't imagine why someone might get an agenda about school shootings while a school shooting was under way.

while a school shooting was under way.

Shouldn't he have been more concerned about, you know, NOT DYING?

Shouldn't he have been more concerned about, you know, NOT DYING?

Are you really telling me, right now, that you're surprised a teenager was using their phone during a dangerous situation?

surprised a teenager was using their phone during a dangerous situation?

To contact family and friends? No. To interview classmates, asking them questions about congress like some seasoned mainstream news anchor would? Yes, it's unusual behavior given the circumstances.

Do you just not know any teenagers?

I have 2. I'd be more surprised if you told me some classmate wasn't preoccupied with making a video for the internet points.

Bear in mind that they were probably locked in place for more than 5 minutes.

Listen, I was IN an actual school when a shooting went down outside (gang related). As soon as the gun shots went off ALL the class clowns and silly kids went deadly silent. Fear shot across everyone. Kids are not going to be trying to post shit to youtube or doing interviews. That is just asinine.

Shooting outside, that was over, not a 'barricaded in doors while someone is going around executed people' situation where people have time to react out of adrenaline or shock.

This is all the Nancy Gracy school of evaluation and it drives me up a wall. People do not react in a uniform way. But how many fucking times does a jury hear a copy say "The husband just didn't seem to be sad his wife died" when an innocent man is sent away for murder because lazy LE just tries to pin it on the spouse.

Basing your speculation that something is fake because someone is behaving oddly during a fucking school shooting is simply misguided.

Go on youtube - go on youtube right now - and look at all the fucking videos people post when they shouldn't be recording.

http://www.firecritic.com/2012/08/14/must-see-video-woman-films-her-house-while-it-burns-yet-she-is-still-in-it/

Yes, outside. I can't image how much stronger the fear would be if we knew the shooter was within the school.

Also, I'm NOT disagreeing that people act in different manners during shock. The issue I have with these events is they follow patterns that are ABNORMAL, even for shock.

The issue I have with these events is they follow historical patterns that are ABNORMAL, even for shock.

Let me see your data then homie

There was a guy on the other thread trying to de-rail the subthread where someone mentioned his dad is FBI.

BIG AND TRUE.

Just for clarification, he’s still a retired FBI agent though right?

Yes.

Just for clarification, he’s still a retired FBI agent though right?

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Can't have crisis actors if you don't watch TV. Guy pointing to his head meme

I am done with this sub.

How many times are you going to say this before you actually go? Bye bye.

PEACE OUT

OK, then leave.

He's a bot, or a really bad shill. So, he probably won't be leaving.

How many times are you going to post this comment before you actually leave?

Cheeseburger sub? You mind if I eat the rest?

buh bye dummy

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Well, you were never involved with it before.

So, you eman your doesn't with your thirty seconds here?

The only thing that is of note is that his dad is in the FBI. That is something to at least start with, but I haven't seen anyone substantiate this claim. You can't just stop here and say, "okay it was a MiHoP or LiHoP" but this isn't a ridiculous position devoid of merit either. What's next?

He himself mentions his dad is a retired fbi agent. He never hides it. People want to act like he has though.

Where?

He says it in one of the early on interviews where he was praising the FBI (of course he defends them - he respects his dad). He was also on CNN sitting right next to his dad, the FBI agent in a whole segment yesterday about these claims that he was a crisis actor.

Here are some links to the later interviews but I'm not going to go dig up the other one. This ought to be good enough:

LINK 1 & LINK 2

Perfect thanks.

Ok listen, and listen very carefully.

I do think that they chose Hogg because he probably speaks much more eloquently than his peers...but I also know for a fact his father is FBI.

Now, moving on, Hogg never saw the alleged shooter actually shoot anyone. It could have been anyone and the alleged shooter was just the scapegoat. No one actually saw the alleged shooter shoot anyone. We can only go by what the news has told us. That is the problem...no one saw the alleged shooter actually shoot...a gun.

Next, not everyone HAS to know about a False Flag...the only people that need to know are the key players and then getting everyone else to buy into it. It's actually a very easy thing to do.

Kids died on this day - for an agenda I am sure - but kids definitely died. Just because it is a FF it doesn't mean it's not real and people don't die(9/11).

I can't say for certain if the alleged shooter actually did shoot the gun and neither can ANY of us. What I can say is that his face is very reminiscent of the other mass shooters in that it looks like he has no FUCKING clue what happened, and no I am not blaming the drugs, I am blaming the fact that they all look like they had been brainwashed severely and made to believe they actually did some shit.

Think of it like this, you're drugged, a stranger puts blood on your hands, kills someone, leaves you next to the body and calls the cops and bolts. When the cops get there - you have no alibi at all and you're fucked. THAT is how easy it is for them to do something such as this. You think TPTB are going to botch something so simple? No, and that's why people believe official narratives.

Believe what you want, but before you do, consider everything you possibly can before coming to your conclusion.

Stay vigilant.

Get help.

Ah, I see you are one of those.

Shill

Wow.. Mind blowing stuff you got going on here. You have convinced around 0.0 people of anything other than you're an idiot. Good work spending all your time writing gibberish.

/u/SoupGFX do you think any organic subscriber to this sub actually buys into your rhetoric? It’s amusing watching folks like yourself and /u/politicsthrow so blatantly losing the fight.

Lose what fight? I'm just pointing out that this guy's comment is complete gibberish. Calm down.

You’re a faggot shill

Ha!

Your comment is complete gibberish yo. You act like an agent provocateur, starting shit then standing back lol.

Thank you! Normally I'm flying solo on these missions.

Look at this guy here speaking for everyone lol

How much did you have to pay for a 5 year old account? Stop wasting tax money ya damn commie!

Comrade! Uh hmmprfff... I mean Friend! I paid $0 rubles.. I mean dollars for this 5 year old account. I had Hillary Clinton take out a Bernie supporter and I assumed control.

Judging by the other two replies to your comment, you're on to something.

You’re being shilled hard, but many of us agree with you. Keep it up

Yeah, this sub is heavily gamed. I am merely trying to provide a different point of view.

Lets actually think about how many people would need to be in on it.

Firstly, lets agree that 17 children have actually died. Furthermore, lets says those children were killed at least sometime BEFORE the shooting occurred, so that they could be brought on site and dumped there in such a way as to incriminate the kid

Secondly, lets agree (for the sake of argument) that the powers that be have some way of brainwashing this kid so that he has no alibi, no defence, etc etc. Possibly the use of heavy barbiturates or opiates.

Based on these two factors alone, how many people would need to be "in on it?"

Well lets get the basic ones out of the way. The people who killed the kids, moved the bodies and drugged the shooter. If they do exist, they are some very special people who can be relied upon to be silent, so no worry there.

Now the slightly more difficult ones. A coroner would have to sign off on the death certificates of these children. They would (if they got the bodies within a day or so) notice a number of things worth mentioning. Like the time of death not matching the bodies stay of decay, and the presence of congealed blood pooling on their backs, showing the bodies were stored after death in a static environment. While this happens naturally, Im pretty sure from my armchair reading that you would see noticeable differences. So coroner would have to be in on it. Emts for the same reason. There is a significant difference in how a body appears two hours after dying, and six to tweleve hours after dying, which the EMTs would have alot of experience in recognising,

On the police front you have a much more difficult situation. Crime scene investigators, forensic analysts, the list goes on. Remember, the "special people" we mentioned first would either have to set up the bodies during the day of the shooting (so witnesses) or do it somehow earlier and hide the bodies on site for someone else to reveal. Both of which would cause many MANY tell tale signs that the body did not just die when it fell. Blood spatter analysis especially, since they thickening and dying of red blood cells means that even if they kept the blood of these children with them to arrange the crime scene, it would not be impossible for someone to notice something very off about the situation.

So far our conspiracy numbers at its smallest maybe 10 people. A 5 man team of killers and movers, a coroner, and four people in positions of significant power in the medical and police departments to hush others. However, considering trying to hush people about a faked school shooting is probably not exactly easy, I would argue that many more people would need to be in on it. In reality, to pull this off, I think you'd need to have the silence of atleast 15-30 people. Those numbers are off the scale for keeping a conspiracy of this magnitude under lock and key, atleast in my opinion.

Your thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-aKtPTmBw

He's a fun bit. Emma Gonzalez being fed fake news line to push gun control policy. Listen to the verbiage she uses. Quite profound/erratic for someone who's supposedly speaking from the heart.

This has all spawned from Stormfront, all geared to angering pro-gun and NRA supporters and making them feel there is some larger conspiracy against them and the 2nd Amendment, thus angering them further, thus further distracting from the bipartisan cultural issue of mass shootings in the USA.

Keep feeding this backward narrative, it just increases the chances of someone you love being one of the next victims. Bravo.

bipartisan cultural issue of mass shootings

Those words are utterly meaningless. Fuck off with your mainstream narrative.

If the "mainstream narrative" is that people in the USA would like to reduce the number of mass shootings, I guess I'm pretty fucking basic.

Children shooting other children and adults in school is not an important issue to you?

straw man ˌstrô ˈman/ noun 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

If my opinion children are more important than guns, in any scenario - even some bullshit paranoia over a video clip - makes me mainstream, empathic, altruistic, normal, loved - I'll take it over whatever hate filled Kool-aid you're chugging, scrub.

hate filled Kool-aid

Yes, yes.. paint me as a bad guy even though you know absolutely nothing about me. What, exactly, is it that I hate? Are you saying my pursuit of truth denies me any possible compassion toward victims of gun violence? That's illogical. Fuck off with your two-dimensional, myopic perspective of reality, cunt.

No mate, was saying you are hate-filled, and you just kind of proved my point. I'll let you get back to being alone.

No mate

I'm not your mate, in any sense of the word.

was saying you are hate-filled

In order to be "hate-filled" you have hate something. So, what is it that I hate?

I'll let you get back to being alone

Once again, with the same little cutesy internet insults. You know nothing about me, simpleton.

Wow, you are one unpleasant little cunt arent you? Did Daddy fuck your face when you were a baby?? Or was he fucking your sisters face and you got all consumed with jealousy?

Fucking lols, your hypocrisy and bile define you, you fecking loser, get back to your furious lonely masturbation and fart huffing.

You're projecting.

Once again, with the same little cutesy internet insults.

Step up lad, don't be lame

lol, what a bunch of BS. You've got it so wrong.

i saw the kid on fox news one of his first interviews and from his first line spoken i knew right then this kid was severely coached and obviously reading a script. watch it for yourself.

When all else fails, blame the boogey men racists

The "hold on" at :47............WOW.

OFF TOPIC but half way through the CNN interview, I thought the dog was just driving the truck casually down the road

Now this is the real conspiracy 🤔

Where's all the Trump haters???

right here, i still hate trump, he is a piece of shit!..

Ok, good. We still love you. You'll wake up to see all the corruption one day.

Aww thanks, i see the corruption he is doing already but ok.

Not necessarily hate, but I believe his rhetoric and decisions have caused the rest of the world (those that are generally immune to the conspiracies posted here) to look at the US administration with the same distain that we reserve for dictators in second world countries.

So yeah... he's bad for the US.

Good. It's time for other countries to be critical of the US government and our policies. We're not necessarily that shining light of hope that we once was. The people of the US need to be leery of what our government is doing and where we are heading.

Let me get this right: you think a bad leader is necessary so that we will lose the respect of other nations (which is the government's only real reason for putting on a charade of caring for the citizens)? With the alternative of having a leader that inspires protection for the citizens and wellbeing for all other countries, this (the opposite) is your hope?! (Also... I'm not sure if this is your defense of Trump or you have just given up on the US... a bit unclear here.)

Sorry dude... but as soon as you stop trying to impress your peers, there is nothing holding you back from showing your true colors. This is not something we need.

I'm not a fan of Trump BUT if Hillary was in office right now all the corruption that's being exposed right now would not have happened. This country needs a reckoning and it's happening right now regardless of what our peers think of us. If we do not fix our justice department and arrest people who believe they are above the law, then we will become as corrupt of these other countries that you consider to be below us.

We already ARE as corrupt as some of those countries. The only thing stopping us from sinking to the same actions that many of them institute is the illusion that we are civilized. Lose that illusion and the reality comes to light.

We talk a lot about corruption and elitism, but it's always been there... lurking just under the surface. Sometimes it is more prevalent, sometimes it is more buried, but if it ever surfaces we suffer. We may call for truth, but the truth is that some things you want to bury so far down that it can't be trudged back up.

It's time to shine some light on what's going on and that time is now.

Be careful... we reap what we sow

It's time to shake out the bugs. No reason to wait any longer. We wait longer it gets worse.

Look at history and tell me that the "bugs" are new. There is no reason to shake them out unless you want to see the worst of humanity only to go back to the way it was. We don't need to identify it, but we do need to replace it with something better.

We are talking in circles at this point. So it was nice talking to you.

LMFAO

Disgusting how people in here are attacking this kid. People pushing this are just trying to smear him.

No one is attacking this kid, they are seeking the truth. You’re paranoid.

Shills

And in doing so calling him disgusting, a sociopath, a narcissist, a piece of shit, among other things. That's attacking someone.

Calling a sociopath a sociopath is a claim, not an attack. Don't get so butt hurt

We're not attacking the kid, we're pointing out what's odd about the situation. Ignoratio elenchi.

The guys a shill go to Voat

No you're not. You've already decided that all mass shootings carried out by Trump supporters are fake.

What exactly is odd about the situation?

Yeah, pretty sad shit. They’re upset because the kid is part of the schools A/V Club ?

Y’all are some miserable scummy fucks.

Look at all the alt accounts rolling through, trying to undermine the fact that an FBI Agent's son is popping up all over the country for national mainstream media news bits.

He's an actor. News is staged.

kid is an obvious tool at the moment. reading scripts and being coached. appearing on a dozen different shows. showing no real emotions

Disgusting how many shills there are

Theres something off about this kid David Hogg. Im not saying he is an actor or whenever. Even if we go by the official story there is still something off about him. I get a snake oil salesman vibe from him.

OMG he stuttered and got nervous during a stressful interview. Conspiracy!!!!

The world's richest government can't hire untraceable people for covert ops? We have invisible men all over the world doing doing silent things why would they use an FBI agent's son?

Logic sucks.

why would they use an FBI agent's son?

Many reasons actually.

1. people don't usually questions/attack kids
2. people have more sympathy with kids
3. being awkward is a kid thing so bad acting isn't a big deal
4. being an FBI agent's son means he is able to be controlled more easily (does this even need to be said?)

1. people don't usually questions/attack kids

Have you been here for a school shooting before?

If your talking about this subreddit, yes. Your point? I said "people" AKA "most people" will not question kids in situation like these. In general, most people don't think critically in emotionally charged events at all.

only your fourth reason gives us anything for why it would be the son of an FBI agent.

Would that alone be worth the red flag that would come up from so many groups (such as this one) when they find that the father is a former fbi agent?

being an FBI agent's son means he is able to be controlled more easily (does this even need to be said?)

If the FBI had the powers you think it did why would someone use their own kid. Just take one out of the breeding tubes and groom it.

Your first three answers focus on the fact he's a kid, which wasn't really in question. It's a school shooting. You think they're gonna get Judd Nelson in there acting 17?

AND, there's ~35k current FBI employees according to a quick search. Tack on former agents and you get to a point where yes, at some point someone involved in a national event will be related to an FBI employee.

I'm just saying it's more convincing than a teacher to fight for gun laws.

35k is actually a small #, like less than .01% of pop in us

Do you actually believe the shit you're saying?

because if anyone questions that he may be a crisis actor, the "regular" americans will swarm on that person to call them a loony conspiracy nutter

This one comes to mind - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

You can ask your why's all day and not come to logical reason.

So many people don't know about this. The MSM reported it after she was found out, but it was one day story that was immediately overshadowed by the war.

The government isnt a monolithic entity, there are factions, groups, all working towards different things. Hell you ever worked at a large corporation? Everything is departmental as hell and you are treated as a mushroom.

Lol you think the government is that competent. They fuck up like everyone else.

Yes it is always a "crisis" actor that is identified in numerous other crises's. I have Seen this Hogg guy as an actor before...

they know we know, they don't care

Doxxing is a sin that this sub will never forgive.

But trashing and destroying the reputation of a high school kid based on zero credible proof because his political views are different than yours? Have at it!

I hope he's able to sue for defamation of character.

People are very cavalier about this stuff. The courts have shown a complete willingness to unmask users when someone sues for defamation.

Yep, it's pretty gross.

Yes, I'm sure this "false flag" will inspire the Republican-controlled congress and NRA-sponsored president to act!

Again, it's amusing that people think anything will happen, or that this was a "false flag." In general, a "false flag" actually has something to gain.

Even if Sandy Hook WAS a "false flag" then you'd figure that the orchestrators would figure this: if no gun control legislation happens under a liberal president who loathes the NRA, it's probably not gonna happen under a president with record donations from the NRA.

This sub really loves to cling, cling, cling onto non-existent fairy tales.

have you seen twitter? alot of regular, busy working americans have seen the "oh the kids" pleas and the kids on tv and are calling for gun control/recalls. a few more false flags with kids or at a concert and enough people will demand action. a hundred million americans calling for action will get action

alot of regular, busy working americans have seen the "oh the kids" pleas and the kids on tv and are calling for gun control/recalls

from what I've seen, the people calling for gun control now are the same people who called for gun control in prior years, while those against more gun control remain unmoved.

it just seems like both sides are louder, though I don't see an increase or anything. rest assured -- Red states are still STAUNCHLY opposed to anything modifying gun rights.

a few more false flags with kids or at a concert and enough people will demand action.

I mean, Trump doesn't really care about what the people want. 70% of Americans are in favor of marijuana legalization, yet Jeff Sessions remains the AG and is escalating the War on Drugs. fwiw, 90% of the country disagrees with the War on Drugs - http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/november_2015/americans_still_think_war_on_drugs_is_failing

perhaps if the amount of people for gun restrictions was over 90%, then yeah - he may feel pressure.

in reality, the only people clamoring for more gun control are those in blue states, which Trump could care less about.

We can only hope...

you want the american people disarmed?

Af AKs and mag over 10 rounds, Damn right I do!!!!

You think nothing can be gained outside of the government itself? Such as influence over the general populace? The same populace that will vote you in next election?

Yeah, what gives a person the right to be angry that their friends were murdered, and want to take action to make it less likely that other people's friends don't get murdered?

How fucking dare he?

So where does he live, Florida or California? I don't think that it matters if he's upset if he is a paid actor like those in the Sandy Hook affair.

Can we not explore that possibility or should we just feel ashamed about this and call this an outright impossibility?

Notice all the people calling for others to disregard this based on a shame of some kind? Doesn't that ring any red bells for people or what?

You know... If you were a good conspiracy person, you'd just check out his YouTube channel and look at the video vlog covering his trip to California in detail.......... It's really not that hard....

I did and it took 10 seconds, found about his whole vacation, bet the page was created the same day they brainwashed the student base, teachers, and his family to believe he lived there and was a student...

Notice all the people calling for others to disregard this based on a shame of some kind?

That's a tactic that was used hard in an effort to get people to back off from investigating 9/11...They would actually say that believing the WTC's came down because of Controlled Demolition was a sign of mental illness or it was "disrespectful" to the 9/11 families or it was "unpatriotic" or as Tucker Carlson once said to David Ray Griffin..."It's a SIN to believe that gov't was involved"

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I could find many false flags around the world some will never red pill, easiest way to open yours is to follow the khazars from the 1700 to today

And Sandy Hook.

If the dads name is correct then he lives a mile from the school in a ~800k house. Im sure they can afford a California vacation.

That's not the only possibility here.

Oh, I think you should feel ashamed.

Think whatever you like. it doesn't change any of the questions that beg answers.

Hey, if you're confident this is nothing at all, why are you here to defend such a foolish pursuit? Bored?

Well r/conspiracy has sure changed

Old conspiracy would've jumped all over this odd individual whose father is an FBI agent. New conspiracy is pro-gun control and defends this odd individual

LOTS of shilling from both sides recently. First from the right with the Russia indictments and now from the left.

It wasn't the Russians, though.

It wa the Vanuatans.

Is this a funny comment or a real theory? I don’t normally browse this sub.

Just being silly. :) If anybody here could find Vanuatu without consulting a search engine, I'd be impressed.

Oh okay lmao yeah I would be very impressed as well

absolutely. this subreddit is so infiltrated you cant even question this without the downvotes flooding in

Yep and then you get people saying outlandish shit to make you say dumb. You’ve been hijacked. Go to the chan’s or to Voat

Or when people post clear bullshit and then claim everyone else is a shill for not blindly believing it

This kid was literally the survivor of a mass shooting. Even this sub was never that low to run some kid who was on the news while on vacation, but also a school shooting survivor through the mud. There is so little here, here. His dad retired years ago. This is weak and deserves no attention. The people who want to give this attention should find a safe space for it on subs such as The Donald where outside opinions get insta-banned.

I remember the days when people would write off the shooter as an MK-Ultra victim. That way you at least have a real event with real victims. But I guess conspiracy theorists decided they needed more moving parts and more loose ends and more people sworn to perpetual silence despite having no motive to do so.

wow.. nothing to see here! move along! never have we seen kids that went to the school of a shooting appear on tv. and this hogg kid has been on over a dozen shows. he is obviously reading a script. you need to look critically at this. and the shooter claims he heard voices telling him to do it. conspiracy subreddit should be going bonkers over this

Real true conspiracy theorists know that these people are actually humanoid lizards wearing skinsuits. OR ARE THEY? #conspiracy

That's the kind of conspiracy stuff I miss. Anunnaki kinda shit.

Man, there was a site that's now defunct with stuff like annunaki and FEMA camps and the mark of the beast being subdermal chips. God I miss those weirdoes.

Shills

hmm i wonder who would downvote such a simple and straightforward comment...

Old sub is dead :(

It follows correct the record shilling. If the kid is practicing lines for a travesty he witnessed then he is either soulless or it didn't happen. Enter his dad being an FBI agent is another reason to question the motive. The FBI already missed their chance to protect the school where an FBI kid is enrolled? Come on.

Great point wow

Shit has gotten pretty weird since this David Hogg character has been brought to the light. It's become shill central.

They are in full damage control right now

It's like this everywhere, so many new youtube accounts going around defending this kid so desperately and going around calling people crazy.

Attacking the students and claiming false flag is not going to work on this one as well as the crisis actor BS being spread. I live very close to Parkland and this was as real of an event as you could see and the students coming forward are genuine in their pain and their desire for some change in how easily guns are obtained by the wrong people.

Do u know what a false flag is,half the the kids could have been killed still could have a false flag,which is an event that occurs to trigger another, curious how did 300+ state,gov officials show up in 15 mins or sooner at school have done the timeline

And nobody said it was fake. Many actors talk about politics. Pointing out that they are actors or being told what to say does not mean that the underlying event was fictional. Perhaps try understanding why so many people are commenting on the subject. Many of the students coming forward are genuine in their pain. We are discussing one student who appears to be less than genuine or appears to be coached.

Generally I discount the students various proposals of keeping guns from being obtained by the wrong people because they are simplistic solutions that are not thought out. Criminal routinely steal guns from the FBI. If we can't keep criminals from stealing guns from the FBI, then how is any gun legislation going to work? The only thing it will result in is more guns being stolen from the FBI.

When you make it a 20 year minimum penalty, you won't see many taking that risk. Would you? Certainly the FLA punk, or Dylan Roof would not have the ability to buy a $20,000 illegal weapon.

About 600,000 guns are stolen each years. Please tell me your plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. You want it more expensive to buy a gun? You want a longer wait? Then it will be 700,000 guns stolen each year.

Numerous weapons are stolen from the FBI itself. Even more from local police forces. And you solution is to make it a 20 year sentence to steal guns from the FBI. It is already a 30 year sentence. So, you want to reduce the punishment for stealing guns? I don't understand your "logic" in the least. Generally, decreasing the penalty for a crime means that more people are likely to commit it.

Posts like this discredit this sub

An aide to state Rep. Shawn Harrison, using state email, sent me this: "Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen."

https://twitter.com/learyreports/status/966061854303965191?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E3

If that's true then it should be easy to find other pictures of them.

Yeah, looks like it could be wrong

kids getting pimped out by MSM more than a vegas hooker!

Gotta give him his 15 mins. Specially when it serves some powerful agenda/narrative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G40k_8SMOGo

Is that a dog in the Florida video?

Anyone wanna answer the birth records part? I see everyone going on about the FBI son. Nothing on the lack of birth records so far tho

How do you exactly plan to get a kids birth records?

I’ve been seeing stuff like this all day on Facebook. I call BS.

Reads title

I think it’s time to change the name of this sub to r/retard

Wow nice link under “EDIT:”...shameless antisemitic diatribe

I had a friend I went to HighSchool with whose son was at that school and she said they have class together he is not an actor

Of course he isn't, and I don't believe Boston Marathon or Sandy Hook had them either...

Forget the crisis actor or whatever for a second. Does anyone else out there agree there is something off about David Hogg's eyes and facial expressions? He looks like a psychopath.

He's likw2on the austism spectrum.

I completely agree man. That's the feeling I got yesterday when I was watching him. Conspiracy theory aside, I do think that a lot of people instinctively pick up that something is "off" about this guy. We feel that he is mimicking what a "normal emotion" is like. There's a YouTuber that does body languages called Bombards or Bombard. She is really biased so you gotta take what she says with a grain of salt but in her video, she said that there is something off about the guy cuz his expressions and behaviors aren't that of people his age. And during an interview, it seemed like the dad was less assured than his son. I did a google search and came to this page. I don't think he's an actor and we shouldn't attack people for surviving a mass shooting. That being said, I do think this guy is a psychopath.

Is this the point where this sub will start being overrun by shills? The fact that he's the son of an FBI agent should already be alarming.

Already happening. Look at the top comment and how off topic it gets.

Retired in 2014. Also still not really a good argument either. People thinking for themselves and disagreeing with a severely flawed theory aren't "shills." How exactly does his dad having worked for the FBI prove that he is a crisis actor.

There are 35,000 FBI agents in the US, so if any of there family is in a mass shooting the shooting is fake? Or if the kid happens to be visiting L.A. and is interviewed over a minor altercation, that is proof that he is a crisis actor?

Dad is FBI + the kid’s a little too camera-friendly = shady as fuck to any non-retarded person

All the kids seem articulate, must have been a good school, and guess I am retarded...

Dad was FBI, if it was CIA I would be concerned...

Not convinced he's a crisis actor.

COME ON GUYS. THIS IS REDDIT. HOW HAS THIS NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED E NOR DENIED?

I come here for the fucking truth because y'all get to the bottom of shit.

If anyone has any suggestions of how I could help figure it out, let me know.

False Flag for sure

This sub..... sucks now. All these people getting mad over questioning official narratives... isn’t that what this sub is for?

It's about questioning in general, not questioning just whenever we feel like it. Nothing wrong with questioning fringe narratives either. A narrative doesn't have to be "official" in order to qualify as being questionable. It's important to stay open minded, but maintain a healthy level of skepticism at the same time. Relying on blind faith and jumping too fast to conclusions is not how you breakdown a conspiracy.

I don't believe in 95% of the stuff posted here but lurking can be fun to see people questioning things even if I don't believe what they're saying.

Now it just feels like half the sub just comes here to say "Wow you guys are such retards for bothering to look into dumb conspiracy theories" and the other half is focused on trying to call out shills.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BikeShmoe/status/966015423996100609

Can we talk for a minute about how outrageous the concept of a "crisis actor industry" is? How in the world would you even manage to have such a thing without it getting busted wide open IMMEDIATELY?

To be successful, you'd need: * A large pool of actors that are coached months beforehand to play their unfamiliar roles to perfection * Actors who somehow have no family or friends that will see them on TV and go WAIT, WHAT? * The ability to erase an entire school / town's collective memories so they don't see these strangers on tv and go WAIT, WHAT? * The ability to have them fade back into relative obscurity so they can somehow be used again

It's absolutely ABSURD.

Absolutely exposed. You can't refute this shit.

I thought there was something shady about this kid when I first saw him. Just gave me a weird vibe. So I spent a good bit of time combing through his reddit account today (not hard to find) and I don’t think he’s a crisis actor. He seems like a lonely kid with big aspirations (either journalism or FBI like his dad) looking for a way to make a difference. He moved from California to Florida in high school and hasn’t found many friends there and spends summers back home (where the lifeguard video was filmed). He wasn’t very vocal about Trump or Hillary or any of the previous shootings. Most of his posts and comments are in small subs and askreddit. I think he recognizes that he may have a chance to make a difference right now and probably cares more now that it hit close to home and maybe has his journalistic future in mind with the way he is conducting himself. I honestly feel bad for him after reading his comment history. He seems like a fragile teenager trying to find his way and I hope he doesn’t get too jaded by the scrutiny he’s under.

This just came across my timeline on FB... this kid looks a lot like this David Hogg.

No, he's not a "crisis actor".

His dad is Kevin or Jason J Hogg?

The birth certificates were confirmed "no record" with ANCESTRY.COM? Lol. They've been unable to pull up birth records -- especially for kids as young as these.

I feel sorry for the parents of the children you go around calling "fake" after they've deceased.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/21/us/david-hogg-conspiracy-theories-response/index.html

https://twitter.com/_joey_wong/status/966169440487460865

If you believe he is a paid actor, answer a couple of questions for me (and try not to sidetrack in to a tangent, stay on point please):

Have any of the students there claimed to not know him ? Like if was a paid actor sent in to give interviews, would it be strange that none of the students are coming out saying "wait, we don't know him, he doesn't go to this school" ?

If you were going to pay some actor to be in a high-profile scenario, would you re-use one that is already easily findable on youtube ? Was that other incident a "crisis" that anyone would actually pay for ?

You are shameless

Want to have some more circumstantial proof. Post a video about this kid being a crisis actor on Facebook and watch it get deleted very quickly. Every single friend of my facebook that posted about this has had their posts quickly censured.

1) So he moved from Cali to Fla in less than 5 days: This "kids" last Cali Video in Hollywood : 8/16/2017. Start of School Year in Broward Co: 8/21/2017. #2) Why is there a 6 month gap in Videos from 8/16/2017 thru 1/8/2018. #3) His Vlog frequency was almost 2 vids per month prior to 8/16/2017 , why the change in frequency? #4) Where and who did he learn Gun Policy from to be calm enough to go on national TYV with ease, interview a student during the shooting ect? #5) Residency record from Cali and Florida from 1/1/2017 thru 2/20/2018 show how many moves? #6) Why did YouTube take down video claiming he is a crisis actor, if he certainly is not then let the records prove he is a real student there…why censor, the truth always stands. To just take the video down makes it seem like youtuibe/google is hiding ... Perhaps all coincidences and perhaps nothing, but Y can't we ASK!!!

Even if he's not a crisis actor, he's a smug fucking douchebag. Typical leftie who only cares about pushing his agenda.

Yea calling everyone who disagree with him a child murderer, that's a great way to get what you want and doesn't at all make you look like a histrionic elitist.

Why doesn't he just call everyone who wants to respect the second amendment and have a real discussion about what could be done deplorables?

This is exactly what the left did during the election. Fuck David Hogg, fuck the cable news networks for using teenagers to savagely beat their opponents on an emotional level.

Of course they don't have a choice bc their arguments could never stand on their own. They're not logical, nor are they practical, nor would any of the measures that this dickhead is screeching about have stopped the shooting.

The conspiracy here is that the mainstream media is using these children.

Look this shooting clearly happened, don't focus on this rubbish. Focus on how the leftist media is coaching this arrogant, ignorant asshole.

Focus on the fact that the left is standing on the graves of dead children just like they did at Sandy Hook. It's despicable.

You guys are idiots he's in the yearbook.

The real conspiracy is CNN and other news stations pushing forward students who agree with their gun-control agenda and suppressing those who don't. You should focus on that.

Fuck that little shit stain.

David Hogg is son of Kevin Ralph Hogg, All are from various parts of California which figures his liberal policy. Kevin and his wife Rebecca Boldrick Hogg live at 7819 NW 112 Way, Parkland ,Florida 37067 Hm Phn # 310-543-9711 and 949-770-2168. Kevins Birthdate is listed as Feb 7th, 1967 and is 51. Known relatives, K.J. Gonzalez,,( Could there be a relation with the skin head activist named Gonzalez ? ) and Dorothy J. Hogg

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Here's what I just don't understand.

If your a retired F.B.I. agent. A guy trained by the government to handle special tasks, case sensitive shit. The one thing you teach your kids, is how to be a smart minded individual, never to try to cause a lot of public fuss so you can maintain your posture and operate accordingly. That's what they teach police, that's what they teach S.W.A.T. That's what they teach detectives. That's what they teach D.E.A.

It's a universal tool that they teach operators on day one in the class room. Shut your mouth, Listen, and operate as needed to complete any task at hand so that you do not risk your position in the politics, the strategy, and most importantly, your life.

This kid, son of an agent with the F.B.I., walks up to the news podiums with a HUGE mouth and tells the whole world that he exists and that he wants more restrictions on the guns. . . . .

SO DON'T YA THUNK, this FBI agent who is well trained, would have had a talk with his son in a concerned voice????

"Hey dude, maybe you shouldn't be waving flags around with your last name on it, opening your mouth about your ideals to the whole United States, bringing me - THE FORMER F.B.I. AGENT, into the mix of this. . ." PLUS, you know DAMN WELL that agent is trained in self defense. It's absolutely baffling that his son doesn't admire self defense, tactics, how to read people, how to stay calm, how to act in a tense situation.

No, he's on his phone complaining that life went haywire and he wasn't ready for a bad day on planet earth.

Guess what kid, your Dad's probably either ashamed, or in on whatever the fuck it is your trying to say and he's going to teach you how to man the fuck up in a hostile situation, grab your sack, and man the fuck up.

Not claiming anything, I wasn't their, I have no facts or evidence. It's history. I can't back up what I'm saying.

But you can ask any military/federal family. . . , what David's doing is not common sense, AT ALL.

That's either the wrong link in your comment or you're just making shit up. Care to support your claim with a better link?

The odds of getting one TV interview are low, getting two for separate incidents are lower, getting two interviews in two different states for two different incidents even lower.

surprised a teenager was using their phone during a dangerous situation?

To contact family and friends? No. To interview classmates, asking them questions about congress like some seasoned mainstream news anchor would? Yes, it's unusual behavior given the circumstances.

Wrong again. Just because you don't have the evidence YET doesn't mean that your intuition is automatically incorrect.

alot of regular, busy working americans have seen the "oh the kids" pleas and the kids on tv and are calling for gun control/recalls

from what I've seen, the people calling for gun control now are the same people who called for gun control in prior years, while those against more gun control remain unmoved.

it just seems like both sides are louder, though I don't see an increase or anything. rest assured -- Red states are still STAUNCHLY opposed to anything modifying gun rights.

a few more false flags with kids or at a concert and enough people will demand action.

I mean, Trump doesn't really care about what the people want. 70% of Americans are in favor of marijuana legalization, yet Jeff Sessions remains the AG and is escalating the War on Drugs. fwiw, 90% of the country disagrees with the War on Drugs - http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/november_2015/americans_still_think_war_on_drugs_is_failing

perhaps if the amount of people for gun restrictions was over 90%, then yeah - he may feel pressure.

in reality, the only people clamoring for more gun control are those in blue states, which Trump could care less about.

Yeah, looks like it could be wrong

I'm not a fan of Trump BUT if Hillary was in office right now all the corruption that's being exposed right now would not have happened. This country needs a reckoning and it's happening right now regardless of what our peers think of us. If we do not fix our justice department and arrest people who believe they are above the law, then we will become as corrupt of these other countries that you consider to be below us.

Adults have children you can threaten, loved ones you can torture, and a crippling sense of their own mortality.

Children are naive enough not to understand the first two on occasion, and have absolutely no sense of the third

We can only hope...

Dad is FBI + the kid’s a little too camera-friendly = shady as fuck to any non-retarded person

So then we can drop this discussion and get this stupid topic off the front page of /r/conspiracy.

Understanding is fine, but he's not in close proximity of the shooter. Obviously your reaction and priorities would change.

Like a little Anderson Cooper in the making

Guilty.

You are welcome to visit whatever thread you please.

Make your agenda more obvious

In one video they showed Cruz leaving a comment on YouTube saying he’s going to be a professional school shooter. That was reported to the fbi and fbi concluded they can’t find him the poster of the comments.
They can’t find someone that’s attending the same high school of a kid what his father is former FBI. Idk... just wacky

Im not pointing to conspiracy. I’m saying this oddly strange.

He's likw2on the austism spectrum.

I completely agree man. That's the feeling I got yesterday when I was watching him. Conspiracy theory aside, I do think that a lot of people instinctively pick up that something is "off" about this guy. We feel that he is mimicking what a "normal emotion" is like. There's a YouTuber that does body languages called Bombards or Bombard. She is really biased so you gotta take what she says with a grain of salt but in her video, she said that there is something off about the guy cuz his expressions and behaviors aren't that of people his age. And during an interview, it seemed like the dad was less assured than his son. I did a google search and came to this page. I don't think he's an actor and we shouldn't attack people for surviving a mass shooting. That being said, I do think this guy is a psychopath.