Gun control
15 2018-02-22 by chem_equals
Here we go again..
I find it absolutely frustrating to see how many Americans don't understand the need for the 2nd amendment and our right to bear arms..
This is explicitly written to maintain our right to protect ourselves against ALL enemies whether foreign or DOMESTIC..
One of the main reasons is to protect against an overreaching govt if they choose to infringe upon these rights (because that never happens, right?)
If the govt is the only one that has access to firearms (specifically high capacity rifles) then there's zero chance for The People to push back and fight to maintain the security of these basic human rights.
All I'm getting are arguments based on logical fallacies and someone even said:
"Some people are afraid that others have the ability to just get a rifle and go murder a bunch of Innocents"
So by that logic, if I'm afraid of something I should be able to take away not only my right but yours...
Has anyone ever heard the term "slippery slope"?
I'm really concerned that fear/emotional response is what rules the masses and instead of critically making points all the arguments are based on "I don't like it so you shouldn't have it"
I get it, terrible people do terrible things.. but it in no way warrants the removal of our basic human rights which many fought and died for to secure
I really hope that this is common sense at least for some in this sub, I don't really expect it anywhere else because I'm sure people are being regularly programmed to feel this way but I fear that more and more forget the real reason we have this, arguably the most important amendment to the Constitution
Note* In no way am I seeking an echo chamber, but if you disagree please offer some legitimate reasoning based on logic and not emotion or statistics of "how many shootings there have been" or "how many people have died in the past so and so time frame" as this is clearly based in emotion and looking to initiate an emotional response from people
26 comments
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2018-02-22
To all the bleeding heart fucks out there crying for gun control...
You're free to move to another country, that's always an option. The constitution stays the way it is.
1 -_-_-I-_-_- 2018-02-22
-Thomas Jefferson
1 AlvinItchyCock 2018-02-22
This is the most concerted and nefarious effort to take away guns i have ever seen.
1 yellowsnow2 2018-02-22
And paying for the chartered buses.
1 AlvinItchyCock 2018-02-22
Im English minor and I worked in Language Forensics briefly and I can tell with certainty these students have had speeches written for them by the same two people based on granmatical structure, wording and usage.
1 yellowsnow2 2018-02-22
I don't doubt it. The first thing I noticed was they weren't talking normally. They always used the official terms for everything also.
1 Lo0seR 2018-02-22
Absolutely!
1 AvaTheMemeLord 2018-02-22
Soros
1 Allomancer_Jak 2018-02-22
I have experienced the same issue. People saying I hate kids cause I don't want AR's banned. The same people who think AR stands for "assault rifle". They seem to be ignorant to the fact that I can shoot a glock with nearly the same efficiency as an AR. They have no idea the 2nd Amendment is in place to prevent a tyrannical govt from overreaching their authority. They are ignorant of history and are brainwashed. If it starts with AR-15's, where does it stop? Ignorance shouldnt be a reason to take my rights away, and unfortunately that's the world we are living in.
1 yellowsnow2 2018-02-22
You would think the establishment left would want to preserve this right because they have been saying Trump is literally Hitler and going to become tyrannical.
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-02-22
I'll offer my opinion but I'm not gonna get a lot of love. That's fine. I think the argument that we need guns to prevent tyranny is absurd at this point. First of all, republicans get a lot of help from the NRA and they have complete control of the government right now. Second of all, if the government ever wants to come for you, they will. Nothing you or your buddies can do to stop them. Even if you each have 20 awesome guns. So to me, we are talking about public safety. I want you to be able to defend yourself. I think everybody does. But on the other side of this, we have crazy people using the same tools to destroy 20 lives. That fucking blows. Can't we do do something to make sure you can have your shit but prevent crazy people from using that same shit to murder so many people? There has to be some middle ground. We have to find an answer to this man. Or we will just keep watching children die while we argue over shit. I don't think anybody wants that. Let's try to change. At least try.
1 Allomancer_Jak 2018-02-22
Where does it stop if AR's are banned?
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-02-22
For now, there. It stops right there. Dude I don't understand why people are so worried all their guns are gonna get taken away. At any given point, half the government is always Republican. Right now the whole government is. If you're terrified of democrats taking guns then you shouldn't be. They will never have enough people to just take all your guns away even if they wanted to. And they don't anyway.
1 chem_equals 2018-02-22
Can we do something? Yes, but the solution is not limiting the rights of others
You said if the govt wants to come get us they will, true, but I'd rather have a chance at fighting back than none at all
Thank you for responding even if it's not a popular opinion, this is a public forum and I'm not going to bash you for discussing your perspective as I want to understand your point of view and meet at common ground because at the end of the day we all desire to seek happiness and a good life for ourselves and our fellow man and anyone that wishes anything else for any other will be easy to spot and is part of our common enemy
Let's start working together as a people to come up with a solution and not allow ourselves to be divided
We are all on the same team
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-02-22
Agreed man. The sorry part of it is every time you ban something, you fuck up the liberty of everyone else. Somebody put explosive liquid in their shampoo. So now I can't bring that on an airplane. I don't really care though. Because it's about public safety. If the fact that none of us can bring a shampoo bomb on the plane means it's a lot harder for an asshole to do it, I'm down.
I'm not a gun shooter dude. I'm also not crazy skeptical that the government will turn on me. We are the beacon of light in the world. If our government started killing our citizens in some war then the rest of the world wouldn't just sit there and watch.
Right now we have this problem where everybody is on drugs and crazy people can just roll up to the store and buy a gun and turn on other people. What the hell dude that shouldn't be allowed. We should do something.
1 send_recipes_plz 2018-02-22
In simpler terms, the problem is crazy people using guns to kill. We are unwilling or unable to do anything about the guns. Therefore, it stands to reason that we should try to do something about the crazy people.
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-02-22
So what should that be?
1 send_recipes_plz 2018-02-22
Mental health care reform. Making sure that psychiatric professionals are properly financed and that at risk teenagers and young adults are able to learn ways to deal with and overcome their difficulties without resorting to gun violence.
It would be nice if the President could work that into the budget. He seemed to overlook it the last time.
1 canucker78 2018-02-22
He didn't overlook it.
He struck down a former law to keep guns out of the hands of the mental ill. He did the opposite.
1 canucker78 2018-02-22
Its insane how many people think there should be zero gun legislation, even on the smallest commonly agreed stuff. If you need a course to drive a car, maybe do the same for firearms.
Not allowing even small amounts of legislation because you need to leave door open for you and a few yokels can take on the most powerful miltary is such a phallacy
1 dr_pepper_35 2018-02-22
Why do people consider the first half of the second amendment to be a suggestion and the second half to be an absolute?
1 freesp33chisstilldea 2018-02-22
It's telling when a post like this is downvoted and the gun control freaks posts are top rated.
1 monopoly_man_pass_go 2018-02-22
Personally, I don't think there is a conspiracy to take away guns. I'm not an expert by any means at constitutional law but I think it would take a SC in your pocket and/or a constitutional amendment to actually pass legislation that directly violates the 2nd amendment.
For partisan politics, I think "gun control" is low-hanging, low-risk fruit for both parties. It's disgusting how both are using a school shooting to entrench bases and draw lines.
For actual public policy, I think "gun control" is a scapegoat and lazy way to approach this problem. It actually takes some hard fucking work to try and figure out what made this kid homicidal. The existence of guns didn't make this kid have such a low disregard for life.
By no means am I saying ban video games or anything for that matter. But nobody wants to talk about how hollywood, video games, media, religion, education, how he was treated by others, parenting, values of society, injustice, health all factor into why this kid did what he did.
1 DonnaGail 2018-02-22
I support the 2nd Amendment.
1 yummypeanutjelly 2018-02-22
The same people who have been screaming that “Trump is literally Hitler” are the same people who want his government to take the guns, which is exactly what Hitler did when he gained power. It’s really amazing to watch history repeat itself, I’m not saying Trump is Hitler, I’m just saying this isn’t the first time a government would have overreached its power.
1 mc_mike96 2018-02-22
There's definitely a conspiracy to take way US citizen's guns being perpetrated by the media. I live in a country with gun control , but no gun culture existing before those measures were put in place. I'm very anti-gun however I do respect the reason the 2nd amendment exists. However, when the US military has nuclear weapons what good are gun to its citizens?