The problem is. Adults are stupid enough to put chemicals into their bodies

I got vaccinated and I'm not messed up.

The entire country of Brazil gets vaccinated, it's a legal requirement, they don't have half of the autism rates as the U.S..

And the spectrum for autism has been shifting for the last 10 years. I have both adhd and I'm mildy dyslexic. Now a days I would be considered autistic since both of those are on the autism spectrum.

There isn't "more cases of autism", it's the defination of autism has been changed to include literally everything under the sun.

I'd be curious to know your vaccination schedule.

I'm 38. I don't get them any more

I meant as an infant/child. Which ones did you receive, and at roughly what age?

Honestly no idea. I was an infant/child who lives in a state that requires that you get vaccinations before attending public schools.

Bummer. I was looking to compare/contrast what you received as a child back then with (in Brazil) what our infants (in the US) are receiving now. I have a feeling there's quite a difference between the two.

Yes.

You do know that every breath you take and every sip of wate ris letting chemicals into your body.

Not what I meant, but yes that is true.

Oh I know what you meant... But what you said is another thing entirely.

And just being man made chemical isnt a bad thing.

And there are natural chemicals that will kill you instantly. And others that will save your life.

Lol at that last part

No but 5 year olds/children are at the MOST risk of getting disease and you saying things like i'll never get any vaccines is like saying i would like taking the risk of catching many diseases (polio, aids) lol what if something like swine flu came about, would you then get a government required vaccine? Or do you like taking risks for you and your children(assuming you have kids)

Lol

hey man my name has LOL in it and I am not retarded. lol

It's like you've forgotten that pololio was even a thing.

Nothing like getting cancer to beat back the polioloio

Maybe?

Your link states:

But, the few epidemiological studies that looked for a direct link between SV40 and human cancer provided inconsistent conclusions. Some reports found that there was an increased risk of cancer from SV40 exposure[63] and others found that there was no risk.

However what we do know is that when polio was still present in this hemisphere it was potentially fatal, particular to children (and this isn't addressing the possible debilitating after effects of an infection).

In any event, those years of polio vaccine contamination neither supports any autism/vaccine link nor does it back the general in any way this poster's vague and ominous concerns about governments pushing vaccines or lines like this:

So its just a coincidence then that children that get vaccines get all messed up?

Lol nice rebuttal, clearly you need to think more on your points for your post/opinion

If you're going to force people to participate in a program, it should be free and non-profit.

This idea is also ridiculed.

Were you vaccinated?

Are you up to date with the modern schedule?

No idea

God no.

Imo vaccines hyperstimulate the immune system which lead to it crashing, like everything else that gets hyperstimulated. The metals also leak into the brain causing misfires which leads to autism in the babies and adults are turned borderline brain dead.

Feels before reals.

Do you have anything to back this up?

Common sense and personal observations really.

Plus you'd think the most vaccinated country would be the healthiest if they actually did as advertised but that's not the case at all. I'd even argue it's the exact opposite. Vaxxers are some sickly people, seems like most I know are sick every other week.

Common sense and personal observations really.

Ya man fuck dem immunologists and their science n' sheet.

But seriously though, as someone studying immunology, no. Vaccines do not overstimulate the immune system. A couple of inert viral particles or attenuated viruses are in no way going to overload anything. Your immune system deals with an insane amount of shit. Have you seen the intestinal tract? There is basically a 24/7 immune response down there.

I'm curious about your "studying immunology". If you don't mind sharing what does this entail?

Currently working through my B.Sc in Immunology and Microbiology. Laboratories, papers, copious amounts of factoids on viral and bacterial life cycles etc. It's really enjoyable actually once you get past the whole "everything is trying to kill you" thing.

Thanks for the reply.

everything is trying to kill you

Is this really still a thing? I thought with all this talk about the human biome and even human virome we had moved past this?

So I'm an anti vaccer anyways. I attended a talk by a guy who was a PHd student of virology arranged by my local skeptics in the pub group specifically for me I suppose. It was interesting but rather reinforced my suspicion about the compartmentalization that exists in science. I played nice and mostly listened and the guy gave his talk and he didn't really seem able to address my questions. We ended up talking past one another I guess and this was a couple of years ago now so I was very new to the subject.

I'm not here to give you a hard time or anything and I hope you do awesome with your studies.

I'm sorry if this seems like I don't have a point but I just wanted to chat. Best of luck with your studies.

You can ask me anything if you like and I promise I will be nice and not chew a strip off you.

Would you mind if I asked you some questions?

Is this really still a thing? I thought with all this talk about the human biome and even human virome we had moved past this?

The "everything is trying to kill you" was more of a joke, but it's all VERY much a question of balance. A lot of interactions can be boiled down to "your immune system keeps them under control". Normally harmless bacteria can become major issues in the case where you suddenly become immunocompromised.

Sure go ahead. I'll answer what I can. In the case where I don't know the specifics of a certain topic (please understand that immunology is a vast field, you could spend a lifetime on just one cell type), I could toss the question to one of my profs if you want.

You seemed pretty sarky before. Why the hate? I don't want to get bogged down on this but I would like it addressed.

The comment I originally replied to was just a bit too much for my taste.

Do you have anything to back this up?

Common sense and personal observations really.

This right here is the prime example of how to not confirm whether something is true. It's personal anecdote mixed with appealing to common sense and a sprinkle of argument from ignorance.

Right, and you "hate" this approach?

I mean the guy answered the question honestly. Also their is a lot of latitude for interpretation when a person says they arrived at a conclusion through common sense. I guess I just don't understand why this seems to be a red flag for you but honestly it doesn't matter too much as I said I don't want to get bogged down on this.

I was wondering if you cover vaccines in your course? You said it was about immunology and it seemed to cover the human and the bacterial side of things so presumably as vaccines are a common thing the course also cover them yes?

We know that vaccines can cause problems and antivaxxers say this is a real issue and pro vaxxers say it is a slight issue only.

Does your course cover the ways vaccines can and have caused issues?

I don't want this to appear as a "gotchyou" question but it is something I am curious about.

So a few examples. A recent event happened a few years ago where a bad batch of vaccines caused paralysis in kids in Western Australia and I watched a vid a few weeks ago where A Wakefield said of the three versions of the MMR sold in England two were recalled due to causing an unacceptable level of meningitis.

So the principle is that vaccines can have problems and the dispute is over whether this is managed well or not.

My question is if your course covers general principles of the design choices or factors that would make a vaccine safer or more dangerous and what the various trade offs and decisions that have to be made are?

Hey and thanks for taking the time so far. I do appreciate it.

Here I'll help you study.

Oh man, adjuvants. Got me there. Not like PAMPs form the very basis of an immune response through the interactions with their specific PRRs or something. Nope.

"imo"

Ummmm. What credible. repeatable study links vaccines to autism?

Absolutely none. The studies were falsified. Circumcision has also been "linked" to autism, as well as diet, inattentive mothers, TRAFFIC, "poisons" such as carpet/vinyl flooring/BPAs and its all fucking bullshit. There is no actual known cause at this time, just as there is no magic fix.

The people that push that are assholes. You are basically telling a family that desperately wants to help their child learn and grow with ASD that THEY DID SOMETHING TO CAUSE IT.

They did not, in fact they families I work with are amazing and do everything they can to help create better behaviors and change challenging ones.

So fuck you for telling them they caused it.

Absolutely none. The studies were falsified.

Exactly my point.

Not to mention that they keep moving the spectrum so more and more things are consider autistic.

Have adhd? You're autistic. Don't like socializing? You're autistic.

Every behavioral issue a child has is now considered autism.

I personally think that is a way to get insurance companies to pay for ABA services. ABA works for a number of disorders, but insurance companies are only required to pay for it if there is an ASD diagnosis.

If we used a different filter to view a rainbow they would fill the skies.

So everyone just goes along with this made up fact that Wakefield said "vaccines cause autism"?

He never did. He said that vaccines damage gut flora and there is a correlation with autism and gut flora health.

He closed his paper with "more research is warranted and needed"

He had his licence pulled for bad paperwork (collecting gut flora sames without the proper consent) and paying kids for blood samples at a birthday party.

There have been pay outs from the secret vaccine court for autism, Guillian-Barr syndrome and death though

How about we just stick with the actual facts.

The main problem we have is that the necessary studies are not being performed, the industry doesn't want to find the harm their products cause as it can mean loss of confidence, sales and also huge compensation payouts. So what they do is whitewash their products, data is played with, statistics are used to lie.

For example the honest experts are so sick of Big Pharma for not funding any proper studies into the safety of injecting Aluminum, that now they are crowdfunding for over $600,000 to perform the trials.

Private forces to raise funds for research into aluminum in vaccines

https://patientdanmark.dk/private-forces-to-raise-funds-research-into-aluminium-in-vaccines/

In case you really are here to learn and are not one of the thousands of paid industry posters on Reddit, I'll provide you with some sources to get you started.

For those from a scientific background I'd strongly recommend the presentations given at the Vaccine Safety Conference

The rest is a general starter pack for people who want to learn more:-

Dr Peter Gøtzsche exposes big pharma as organized crime

Birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine may not be necessary: Study

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/birth-dose-of-hepatitis-b-vaccine-may-not-be-necessary-study/article10033134.ece

Professor Gordon T. Stewart, Emeritus Professor of Public Health, Glasgow University, explains exactly the dangers of the Whopping Cough vaccine from a Emeritus Professor of Public Health

http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/the-dangers-of-whooping-cough-vaccination-prof-gordon-stewart/

"the marginal advantages of the vaccine in children over one year of age have to be offset against adverse effects of the vaccine itself, which are very common indeed and may be followed occasionally by irreversible brain damage, paralysis and mental deficiency. Because of this danger, or for fear of it, many parents and doctors are reluctant to vaccinate their children."

Dr. Suzanne Humphries Lecture on vaccines and health

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQQOv-Oi6U

Dr Tenpenny, What the CDC documents say about vaccines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1VwVBmx0Ng

Here a professor explains his findings regarding the dangers of injecting Aluminum, which is contained in most vaccines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCzdliixnmI

Here's the study itself:-

Aluminum adjuvant linked to Gulf War illness induces motor neuron death in mice

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17114826/

Experts complain of the 'witch hunt' which takes place after any scientist reports on vaccine dangers

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/28882443/

Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine Causal relation is likely

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116914/

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

The Polio vaccines are causing problems worse than Polio

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22591873

"Furthermore, while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated."

Recordings from the CDC whistleblower exposing lies, corruption, manipulation of data and destruction of evidence

http://fearlessparent.org/cdc-data-stranglehold-blocks-autism-vaccine-research-recording-2/

Follow the money!! (see below)

How Much US Pediatricians Make From Vaccines

"So how much money do doctors really make from vaccines? The average American pediatrician has 1546 patients, though some pediatricians see many more. The vast majority of those patients are very young, perhaps because children transition to a family physician or stop visiting the doctor at all as they grow up. As they table above explains, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child. If your pediatrician has just 100 fully-vaccinated patients turning 2 this year, that’s $40,000. Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays your doctor a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating 100 patients under the age of 2. If your doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200 patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000. V But here’s the catch: Under Blue Cross Blue Shield’s rules, pediatricians lose the whole bonus unless at least 63% of patients are fully vaccinated, and that includes the flu vaccine. So it’s not just $400 on your child’s head–it could be the whole bonus. To your doctor, your decision to vaccinate your child might be worth $40,000, or much more, depending on the size of his or her practice.

If your pediatrician recommends that your child under the age of 2 receive the flu vaccine–even though the flu vaccine has never been studied in very young children and evidence suggests that the flu vaccine actually weakens a person’s immune system over the long term–ask yourself: Is my doctor more concerned with selling me vaccines to keep my child healthy or to send his child to private school?"

https://wellnessandequality.com/2016/06/20/how-much-money-do-pediatricians-really-make-from-vaccines/

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2016 Performance Recognition Program PDF

Harvard doctor admits he's too scared to speak truth on vaccines as Big Pharma are watching, implies there will be consequences

Human papilloma virus vaccine and primary ovarian failure: another facet of the autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23902317

Smoke, Mirrors and the "Disappearance" of Polio

In the Senate Big Pharma getting told off for putting substances in vaccines without first performing the necessary safety studies

This study found that it is the vaccines made using aborted fetal cells which are causing Autism

Impact of environmental factors on the prevalence of autistic disorder after 1979

http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/C98151247042

Under Freedom of Information we see that CDC experts privately admit the dangers of vaccines, they admit that vaccines are causing neurological problems, speech delays and they warn the information must be embargoed.

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

Key quotes below:-

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.”

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.” ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

Excellent cut and paste skills. You should add it to your LinkedIn profile.

So which credible study proving the link between vaccinations and autism has been replicated?

They've never actually done the necessary studies, they avoid doing them at all costs. The closest they got to doing the correct study then had to be destroyed, as a CDC whistleblower admitted. These people don't like shooting themselves in the feet.

There are none to prove vaccines do or do not cause harm bc of rules regarding safety and health of subjects.

Likewise, none prove they work, either.

Herd immunity is a myth. http://kellybroganmd.com/herd-immunity-fact-fiction/

Show me one credible study that links vaccines to autism!

Few cases of payouts here

And if you search for autistic spectrum disorders there are zero results. No one states there aren't any side effects or adverse reactions from vaccines, it's the same risk for anything you come into contact with but making outlandish accusations that have been disproven is just moronic

There are several payouts for autism. Millions and millions of doses and a few payouts.

If only cars were this safe.

And if you search for autistic spectrum disorders there are zero results. No one states there aren't any side effects or adverse reactions from vaccines, it's the same risk for anything you come into contact with but making outlandish accusations that have been disproven is just moronic

You've been shilled today, they must have had nothing better to do

Thanks for making this post my friend.

There is a strong link between aluminium adjuvants in vaccines, interleukin-6 and autism.

Feels before reals.

Do you have anything to back this up?

"imo"

There are several payouts for autism. Millions and millions of doses and a few payouts.

If only cars were this safe.

Here I'll help you study.

I'm curious about your "studying immunology". If you don't mind sharing what does this entail?