Criticism of DT as incompetent precede the election date, as does the collusion conspiracy. What "immediate" campaign began after his victory?

Show me a single article pushing the Trump-Russia connection that was published before his campaign run.

You said "immediate" after losing the election, not after beginning his campaign.

Fair enough, now show me a single article pushing the Trump-Russia connection that was published before Hillary lost.

Hillary called him Putin's puppet in a debate, to his face.

That only gives my theory more support. She started planting the seeds in a nationally televised debate. A smart move if you know you have a contingency plan based on Trump-Russia.

So her contingency plan is Mike Pence?

You asked for evidence, it was provided, and now you're shifting your original assertion.

Bag of rocks.

Her contingency plan was activating a Trump-Russia hysteria narrative if she lost. I think a person like Hillary only cares about revenge on the person who beat her. Pence would simply be an after-thought in the matter.

You're utterly convinced of your narrative and when faced with evidence to the contrary, you'll shape it to fit your worldview. No point in creating this thread if you can't handle a debate.

What evidence?

The evidence that proves his initial point even more? Yeah cool thx

You're a textbook example of what I was describing

I'm not sure how you could have avoided seeing any of those articles unless you were literally living under a rock for 2016-2017, but here's some about supicious electronic communication :

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

Here's one from August 2016 about his connections with Russian interests:

http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

Another from July 2016:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/heres-what-we-know-about-donald-trump-and-his-ties-to-russia/2016/07/29/1268b5ec-54e7-11e6-88eb-7dda4e2f2aec_story.html?utm_term=.cce28ab03a9a

I haven't got an article but the FBI was already investigating Trump's team in July 2016.

http://imgur.com/ltfgeVw.png

Again, none of this was mentioned to the public until Hillary lost.

That's usually how criminal investigations work!

Anyway here's a couple from "before Hillary lost"

http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/content/fpi-conference-call-russian-interference-foreign-elections

https://www.thenation.com/article/we-should-be-shocked-shocked-at-reports-of-russian-interference-in-us-elections/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/26/why-would-russia-interfere-in-the-u-s-election-because-it-usually-works/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/07/us-russia-dnc-hack-interfering-presidential-election

1: no mention of anything remotely related to Trump.

2: this article is focused on what Trump said in the debate, and goes on to mock the entire idea of Russia "swinging" our election

3: this article actually mocks the idea of American's being outraged over election interference

4: post-election article date

The 4th article is before the election too, do you know how dates work?

Sounds to me like you just want to suck off Donald Trump mate so I'm just gonna let you get that dick. Go on.

Yes, I misread the date. I also looked for a single mention of Trump and even used the -find- feature. Zero instances of the word Trump.

Sounds to me like you just want to suck off Donald Trump mate so I'm just gonna let you get that dick. Go on.

You sound like a real winner.

That's it, get it nice and deep in there, feels good, right?

Removed. Rules 4 and 5.

Removed. Rule 4.

Except it was already known Russia was supporting Trump months before the election ended.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-officials-overheard-discussing-trump-associates-before-campaign-began-1499890354

The date of that article is July 12, 2017.

Your powers of observation are astonishing.

Thanks. Its not hard to figure out that an article written in 2017 was published after the election results.

Thanks here's confirmation the FBI was investigating Trump months before the election thanks.

http://imgur.com/ltfgeVw.png

Still waiting for a single published article written before Hillary lost.

Here you go buddy

http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/content/fpi-conference-call-russian-interference-foreign-elections

For future reference Google is quite useful!

And not a single mention of Trump's name in that entire article. Or anyone even remotely related to Trump.

You just posted an article that says Russia meddles in elections. Everybody already knew that.

Oh my you are a hard gentleman to please!

Do you remember your title?

Your title says Hillary made up the Russia stuff immediately after she lost.

I just proved you wrong.

It's ok just go back to sleep, I'm sure the whole Russia thing will just blow over.

My title says that the Trump-Russia smear campaign was activated because Hillary lost.

You still haven't posted a single article that written about Trump-Russia before Hillary lost. And I am sure you are desperately trying to find one.

Ok, if the Russia investigation is a smear campaign started after Hillary lost...

How come the FBI was investigating Trump in early 2016?

Fucking time travelling smear campaigners!

Lol

So, still no article huh?

So still talking our your ass eh?

Name one election Hillary Clinton ever won? Exactly. She got her seat because JFK jr died. Shes never been elected. She was appointed SoS.

New York Senate seat, 2000 and 2006.

Name one election Hillary Clinton ever won?

Lemme Google that for you...

“Died in a plane crash”...

It's easier to bribe the electoral college than the entire population. Thank the rubles

Wow. You think Russia actually bribed out electorate?

Absolutely, via intermediaries. Let's see what Mueller pulls out of guilty pleas. I hope it's nothing...the outcome of that being true will be bad.

Do you think that is specific to just one party though?

no...parties are for people to argue over. Divide et Impera.

Yeah basically. :(

If Donald Trump wasn't utterly incompetent, then your theory might hold water. It is undeniable that Trump doesn't really understand his role in government so I'm not surprised people are attacking him.

Are you expecting me to defend Trump now? Guess what? He is incompetent. He doesn't understand how to be a politician.

Now can we get back to the actual point I make in the headline?

If you're a just another Russian troll, you really suck at it

Yes, everybody with a different opinion is Russian. Any thoughts on the headline?

It's so funny that people think there's a conspiracy to discredit DT, as if they completely forgot the complete shit show his first few months were.

Remember the crazy press conferences? How insulting he was to our allies? His crazy speeches to the US and while abroad? The whirlwind of staff being replaced/appointed? The unconstitutional executive orders he kept trying to do? The insane tweets he continues to send out? There's too much to mention, he truly baffled us with bullshit.

All of this while countless bombshell reports come out about his and his campaigns shady shit. All of this he personally instigated.

Fact is he's a shit President and doesn't come close to being able to handle the responsibilities that come with it. Sorry that reporters live to expose that shit.

Yes, Trump sucks. We get it. That horse has been beaten to death.

Now lets actually discuss the idea that there would be no Trump-Russia hysteria if Trump had lost.

Who knows what would have happened. Trump probably would have seen the blatant Russian meddling band would have called it all 'Rigged'.

Any investigation probably wouldn't be open like now (unless Republicans would have driven it, which I don't put past them), but I doubt the investigation into Manafort and Russia's influence in the election would have stopped had Hillary gotten elected.

but I doubt the investigation into Manafort and Russia's influence in the election would have stopped had Hillary gotten elected.

Fair point. But today's shouted narrative isn't called the Manafort-Russia scandal, its called the Trump-Russia scandal.

Yes, and Manafoet was a campaign manager for Trump. Add Trump's glaring guilty behavior and it's hard not to connect the two.

I don't get it, when you become president you are immediately put under extreme scrutiny. That's quite normal, why didn't they stop this before? Because no one thought the egotistical buffoon would win, and before he won he was just an idiot with big ties to russia, but when you become the president the song changes. I don't know how that's so hard to fathom, it's not about Hillary losing, it's about him becoming president with this baggage

Unless your the first black Muslim president.. then the Left wing media will sukk your dick for 8 years straight after Michael Michelle is done with it.

But nah, Obama is such a nice trustworthy man that gives the most wonderful speeches.. Yayyy

Successful crimes get more attention than attempted and failed ones.

All the manafuck charges could suck in Trump yet

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4385691/2-22-18-US-Status-Report.pdf

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4385690/2-22-18-Manafort-Gates-Indictment-EDVA.pdf

In the second part of the scheme, between approximately 2015 and at least January 2017, when the Ukraine income dwindled after Yanukovych fled to Russia, MANAFORT, with the assistance of GATES, extracted money from MANAFORT’s United States real estate by, among other things, using those properties as collateral to obtain loans from multiple financial institutions. MANAFORT and GATES fraudulently secured more than twenty million dollars in loans by falsely inflating MANAFORT’s and his company’s income and by failing to disclose existing debt in order to qualify for the loans.

• Let's not ever forget people that Manafort and Trump have known each other for a long time, since at least the early 2000's when Stone was Trump's first presidential run campaign manager.. Stone and Manafort have known each other since Nixon and even had a law firm together. Manafort has owned an apartment in Trump Tower since 2006. And last, but certainly not in the least, Manafort's own daughter said this in a text to her sister:

“Dad and Trump are literally living in the same building and mom says they go up and down all day long hanging and plotting together,” Jessica Manafort wrote. “Gross,” Andrea Manafort responded, prompting Jessica Manafort to come to their father’s defense.

If he'd lost, there wouldn't be much point. It's same reason nobody outside of Fox News really cares about Hillary Clinton right now, she's out of the picture.

No, but when all you see is red it's hard to make out the obvious right in front of you, and green makes a hell of a motivator in keeping outrage stoked.

I don’t know where this narrative comes from. Eyebrows were certainly raised when Manafort came on, as he has very well known ties with powerful Russians and other authoritative governments, and was an odd choice to head a campaign. The episode at the Republican convention, with the change in policy on Ukraine being the only thing in the party platform that the Trump team seemed interested in and their weird denials afterwords, caused the first widespread speculation that something weird was going on.

There were also many on Reddit who questioned why the front page of r/politics was dominated by stories from Sputnik news, RT news, and even Breitbart that were virulently pro-Sanders and attacked Clinton, often with what we have now come to call Fake News. Not to say that there aren’t plenty of things to attack Hillary for, but these articles typically went far past the realm of face and into blatant misinformation. Strangely, they all disappeared the moment the Sanders campaign shut down.

This must be the first election you have paid any attention to. Welcome to our world; it’s not just the other side that is evil.

It's not that they're trying to deligitimize him. They don't need to. He's bad enough. It's that they're using him and Russia to take the focus off themselves and keep people busy, while they astroturf in an attempt to get control of things and fix their image by rewriting history.

It's not that they're trying to deligitimize him. They don't need to. He's bad enough. It's that they're using him and Russia to take the focus off themselves and keep people busy, while they astroturf social media and push propaganda in an attempt to manipulate public opinion and fix their image by rewriting history.

Wow. You think Russia actually bribed out electorate?

Again, none of this was mentioned to the public until Hillary lost.

That only gives my theory more support. She started planting the seeds in a nationally televised debate. A smart move if you know you have a contingency plan based on Trump-Russia.

My title says that the Trump-Russia smear campaign was activated because Hillary lost.

You still haven't posted a single article that written about Trump-Russia before Hillary lost. And I am sure you are desperately trying to find one.

The 4th article is before the election too, do you know how dates work?

Sounds to me like you just want to suck off Donald Trump mate so I'm just gonna let you get that dick. Go on.

Yes, everybody with a different opinion is Russian. Any thoughts on the headline?

Unless your the first black Muslim president.. then the Left wing media will sukk your dick for 8 years straight after Michael Michelle is done with it.

But nah, Obama is such a nice trustworthy man that gives the most wonderful speeches.. Yayyy