Just a heads up...probably have a situation developing over Phoenix airport.
45 2018-03-02 by AIsuicide
Was on my back porch and noticed an aircraft that had "multiple pulse" white marker lights flashing..
It is currently in a "oval racetrack pattern" to the west of Phoenix airport...probably about 5 to 10 thousand feet altitude...hard to tell.
Pattern is covering area over Glendale, Peoria, Avondale and Goodyear..
They're on about their 5th or 6th circle since I first saw it now.
Edit: update - the plane broke from its oval pattern and headed slightly southeast over Phoenix at 7:44...
No one could find this plane on any flight radar app...
At this time...this is my best guess for an explanation:
The only way a plane would not show up on flight radar apps is if it was blocked from showing up...either because it's transponder was off, or because it's blocked from showing up.
A plane this close to Phoenix International with its transponder off would not be allowed to continuously fly an oval pattern for over 20 minutes...so, logically it had to be some type of government agency plane.
91 comments
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
video tape it man!
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I would..but my phone camera sucks eggs. Believe me..I would if I could.
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
get a neighbor to do it.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I tried..in landscape...all I get is dark screen.
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
see if you can id the aircraft on https://www.flightradar24.com/BAW9CG/10948856
1 neurofluxation 2018-03-02
post it anyway, we may be able to enhance it...
1 CelineHagbard 2018-03-02
For the uninitiated, what does that mean? Do you think you could find it on one of those flight tracker sites?
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I would think so..it looks like a commercial flight..but can't be positive.
1 bro_bomma 2018-03-02
Get a video!!
1 WarSanchez 2018-03-02
https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KPHX
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Judging from its location pattern...(it's still up there doing racetrack pattern) I would say it was with either flying in from California or going to West Coast.
1 dr_pepper_35 2018-03-02
There don't seem to be any planes on this service following your pattern.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I'm still watching it...same pattern...
1 dr_pepper_35 2018-03-02
Are you north, east, south or west of the airport?
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
northwest of airport..the plane just broke it's pattern at 7:44 and flew East...doesn't look like its going to land at Phoenix.
1 dr_pepper_35 2018-03-02
Looking at flightradar on my tablet, one going to milwaukee that would fit the atl and direction.
1 KrazyKiwiKid 2018-03-02
chemtrails???? (⌐■_■)
1 Dickglover 2018-03-02
is this not normal for flight patterns? like something is happening on the plane or in the airport and they cant land, or what?
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Definitely not normal..they just went right overhead again...possibly a little lower altitude...something's up.
1 Purtanhurtin 2018-03-02
Like what's up? Just something? Lol, details man
1 Thinkingfellersunion 2018-03-02
Not so fast. I worked nights at an airport for many years. Cargo aircraft always circle at night if they are waiting for the runway to clear or there's a situation causing them to delay i.e. weather, ground interruption, etc.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I've lived in this house for 2 years..I watch the air traffic all the time...once again I will say...I've never seen a plane fly this pattern..much less for multiple circuits for over 20 minutes.
1 Thinkingfellersunion 2018-03-02
Fair enough. I'm just saying, if the plane was above or near an airport or a major city with an airport, it could have very well just been staging. Most definitely if you saw more than one plane doing this.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Just this plane..there's a reason planes don't fly the circuit this plane was flying...it definitely could have interfered with air traffic going into or out of Goodyear...
Look..like I said..I've never seen a plane do this.
And the fact that noone can find it on the flightradar tracking systems doing the oval numerous times is really weird...because I just watched it do it.
1 pontiacsky 2018-03-02
You need to lay off whatever it is you’ve been smoking 😂
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Also important...I've never seen the white strobes flashing this pattern before..it was a very quick pulsing pattern that appeared to be 3 lights flashing...wingtip, body, wingtip...it was a very noticeable deviation from normal running lights.
1 Thinkingfellersunion 2018-03-02
That's feasible. I don't know much about the beacons and the patterns they can be set to flash. Although I can say that generally they flash... something odd in my mind would be if they stayed on there was a noticeable pattern.
1 rpm3311 2018-03-02
Hmmmm a plane flying...like planes were designed to do. Conspiracy!
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
They're flying around a major swath of known air routes into and out of Phoenix International...this is definitely not normal.
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
Yet AI Suicide conveniently can't video tape it.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I'm fairly confident I will be vindicated at some point..this is highly abnormal.
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
I hope so.
1 thinks_he_has_gold 2018-03-02
Tbf go point your camera phone towards the sky and tell me what you can record
1 rpm3311 2018-03-02
You mean the plane is flying where planes usually fly?
1 ridestraight 2018-03-02
Is this the app to track by?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/phx
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
https://www.flightradar24.com/33.43,-112.01/10
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Should all planes show up? Because I just watched it do this for 20 something minutes.
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
is this your plane?
https://www.flightradar24.com/1095bddd
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Last I saw it..it looked like it was flying more "due East" but honestly...I couldn't say for sure where it went once it was out of my eyesight.
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
is it still circling your house?
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
No...at 7:44 it broke from circle pattern heading east over Phoenix..South of me. I'm north of Phoenix..so it looked like it was headed slightly southeast over Phoenix and continuing on...not landing at Phoenix.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
It just disappeared from the page you linked...slightly north of Oro Valley
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
did it land?
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I don't know..I've never used these flight tracking pages...it just disappeared...while I was watching it...30 seconds before I made the comment
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
yeah. it says flight no longer exists. it either crashed or landed. it is strange that it was circling a few times and had no call sign.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I've lived in this house for 2 years...I watch the air traffic all the time..I've never...not once, seen a plane fly that pattern...much less multiple times for over 20 minutes.
1 AmishAtomicPhysicist 2018-03-02
Transponder off? Flight radar should show type of plane,tail # destination and departure ect..
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I've been doing some research...what about this? Like I said..I watched the plane for over 20 minutes...and yet no-one could find it on flight radar apps...so..it had to be doing something different...very possible transponder was off..but how could they get away with that so close to Phoenix international?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/06/06/fbi-planes-over-phoenix-abrk/28619701/
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-03-02
Damn should have archived it while it was still in the air.
I love this app, use it all the time while looking up.
1 nothingduploading 2018-03-02
https://i.imgur.com/J4C9yzP.png
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
The oval I saw it doing was over Glendale, Peoria, Goodyear, Avondale, west Phoenix then back over Glendale.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
FBI maybe? It's possible the plane wasn't as big as I thought it was...who knows.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/06/06/fbi-planes-over-phoenix-abrk/28619701/
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2018-03-02
Dem swamp gasses.
1 TXROADWARRIOR 2018-03-02
call the news
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-03-02
Download Flightradar24 and see if it’s flightpath is registered.
1 pby1000 2018-03-02
Are other planes landing at the airport?
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
From where I'm at...I see the outgoing flights mostly..they were taking off...that's for sure.
There is one approach pattern that they use that goes right over me..but I didn't see any planes using it at the time.
1 t1me4change 2018-03-02
What's the status now?
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
It was gone a while ago...went due East.
1 toofooly24 2018-03-02
Any update?
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
It's been gone for a while..I just updated the post...it broke from the pattern at 7:45 roughly.
1 Catsarenotreptilians 2018-03-02
Passenger commercial plane that had to wait for room on the runway, doing loops.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Then why can't anyone find this "holding pattern" on flightradar app?
1 Askmenothingok 2018-03-02
Racetrack pattern is a holding pattern, if you knew instrument approaches you could find where the Holding pattern is located geographically. There isn’t anything weird about an aircraft doing a hold....they happen for many reasons. What’s weird is the number of times, unless weather in Phoenix is currently bad.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Weather is perfect...why couldn't anyone find it on the flightradar app doing the "holding pattern"?
1 bigbura 2018-03-02
Air Force refueling aircraft fly in an oval race track pattern to allow passing flights of other aircraft to meet up and refuel. Think of an airborne gas station, with lines of vehicles waiting their turn at the 'pump' but everybody is racing around like NASCAR, chasing the lead car, the refueler.
The give away is the multiple pulse of white marker lights. The refuelers flash a distinctively different strobe pattern to help the other aircraft make sense of who is who in the dark. I can't find a video to link showing the double flash strobe on the bottom, top of the airplane and the wingtips. They alternate the double flashing pattern with the strobes on the wingtips in a very distinctive pattern.
If on a military flight, Flight Aware and the like may not show the aircraft and flight route.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Luke Air Force Base is very close to where it was flying.
Im glad you mentioned the strobe pattern...I'll look into that..it was very unique..I would recognize it if I saw it again.
Funny I grew up on AFBs...
The one thing about this though is the location..it doesn't make sense to be doing it where this plane flew it's pattern. Much better places not directly over residential areas they could use.
1 bigbura 2018-03-02
I agree that doing this over/near populated areas seems less safe than could be.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Yeah...but I appreciate the input...really...also, altitude wasn't high enough for refueling...I'm thinking it was about 5,000 feet tops.
1 bigbura 2018-03-02
And 5,000 feet is too low to dump fuel. I wonder if the airplane was burning fuel to get back to a safe landing weight after developing mechanical issues. If he had pressurization issues he'd have to stay under 10,000 feet.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Then we're back to why didn't it show up on flightradar app? If it was military burning fuel it would have landed at Luke I would think...which is west..it broke off it's pattern and headed slightly southeast.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Didn't even think about pressurization issues...good thinking. Still tho..no show in flight radar..
At the moment..something like this is my best guess.
.https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/06/06/fbi-planes-over-phoenix-abrk/28619701/
1 vegangravy 2018-03-02
If you're talking about the Phoenix Goodyear airport, test flights wouldn't surprise me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Goodyear_Airport
There's a long military history there, and it's not really a commercial airport, per se.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
On its farthest point southwest in its oval..I would say it was very close to being over the Goodyear airport...I've driven by there numerous times...it's a very weird place.
Lots of cargo...
But the thing is..when it finally broke from the oval pattern...it flew East...over Phoenix and kept going.
That was one of the first things I though about tho was the Goodyear airport..which is why I know I've never seen this pattern before..it would definitely have interfered somewhat with inbound into Goodyear...they usually come in long and low from the east.
1 iiBerserkGamingii 2018-03-02
In other news water is wet. If I was paranoid about every aircraft I see or hear a day I’d go crazy man
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Yeah...that's why I make posts and comments every day about a plane I saw.
Who's looking stupid here?
1 iiBerserkGamingii 2018-03-02
No one is looking stupid. I’m just saying that just because you saw a plane do something that YOU thought was odd doesn’t actually mean it’s out of the ordinary. Your post’s headline is cryptic clickbait which implies that something sinister was happening when it’s FAR from what the facts suggest. Edit-mobile
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Where does my headline insinuate something sinister is happening?
1 iiBerserkGamingii 2018-03-02
“Probably have a situation developing over Phoenix airport” just has a negative connotation, don’t you think? If it was something you perceived as positive or a non-news worry story then you wouldn’t have put anything.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
It does have a negative connotation to it..
A far cry from insinuating something sinister.
1 iiBerserkGamingii 2018-03-02
Fair enough
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Cool beans.
FYI - plane was back again tonight...doing same thing..I missed almost all of it fixing a plumbing leak.. So..I didn't make a post about it.
Same thing...as last night...broke off the pattern and flew East.
I have a guy who's gonna help me track it...if it shows up again tomorrow night..
Gonna figure out what the heck is going on.
1 iiBerserkGamingii 2018-03-02
I noticed you posted about the heckling you received over this post. Now one occurrence doesn’t seem that big of a deal which is why I was skeptical and quick to dismiss your claims, but two back to back occasions does seems fishy. Who knows? You may be onto something. I have no experience or any idea how to go about tracking so I can’t say anything about it, but good luck and keep posting regardless of what people like me say!
1 Johnny-Holiday 2018-03-02
You guys certainly know how to turn fuck-all into a story.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Well..it sounds like you're not one of us ..so....go away.
1 Johnny-Holiday 2018-03-02
Sure. As one who knows what was going on whilst you were fantasizing, I’m outa here.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Holy fuck..you claim to know what really happened...yet you say nothing to elucidate us.
Instead you attack my mental abilities.
1 Degrut 2018-03-02
sounds more like meth
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
I don't drink or do drugs...now what?
1 Errol_Gibbings_III 2018-03-02
That's not correct, different types of transponder behave differently, sometimes there can be blind spots that show planes "popping" into existence at 15,000ft etc
1 nacc2890 2018-03-02
Hi, there is nothing out of the ordinary about this,
Multiple pulsing lights are called "anti collision" and are literally just strobes for collision avoidance in both day and night.
The oval racetrack pattern is called a "hold." these are usually conducted overhead a GPS waypoint and flown by he autopilot via the FMC They are used by almost every big airport everyday as a method of delaying traffic for any reason, e.g waiting for bad weather to clear over airport, waiting for runway to clear etc etc
Just because the aircraft doesn't show up on flight tracking app doesn't mean it's transponder isn't on. Anybody can request to not have their transponder and location info show up for privacy reasons and this is pretty normal. I estimate that where I live, only about 75-90% of actual aircraft over flying are on the flight tracking apps and no, this doesn't mean that every other one that doesn't show up is a government spy plane, could be anything from a private Cessna 172 with private transponder or a military training jet (which almost never broadcast public transponder info)
Source- am pilot
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Then we're back to why didn't it show up on flightradar app? If it was military burning fuel it would have landed at Luke I would think...which is west..it broke off it's pattern and headed slightly southeast.
1 AIsuicide 2018-03-02
Didn't even think about pressurization issues...good thinking. Still tho..no show in flight radar..
At the moment..something like this is my best guess.
.https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/06/06/fbi-planes-over-phoenix-abrk/28619701/
1 iiBerserkGamingii 2018-03-02
Fair enough