he just says whatever comes to his mind without thinking it through first.

these comments along with other recent ones ("Trade wars are good, and easy to win.", and his "Take the guns first, due process second) are fucking scary things for a president to say.

But his comments from that gun meeting were so confusing to me. He went far far far left for those few hours. If you watch Feinstein, she couldn't even believe what she was hearing. Came out of nowhere.

He went far far far left for those few hours.

It's not even far left.

Nobody on the left wants to suspend due process.

The left isn't solely an American political party

They did when they thought the No Fly List was good justification for people to be banned from buying guns.

No. Look up red flag laws. They wanted a court ordered temporarily restraining order for people known to be likely to carry out an attack. That's due process. You don't have to agree with it, but a court order is due process. They used the no fly list as an analogy.

Granted, "taking guns" is not really a leftist idea either. The left really just wants the ability to obtain guns to be better and more safely regulated. It's always been weird to me that people think gun legislation proposed by democrats means they are attacking the second amendment or are trying to take all guns away.

I mean 3/4 of House Democrats just cosponsored a bill that would make all semi auto guns illegal. That’s roughly half of all guns sold.

Limiting what guns are obtainable is not "taking all guns," nor is it outside the realm of the second amendment. The Circuit Courts of Appeals have variously held that assault weapon bans and other limitations on what guns can be purchased are co situational. That doesn't defy Heller.

My point is any action to limit what guns are obtainable immediately is labeled as "an attack on the constitution" and "they're taking our guns we cannot let this happen." Except that is totally wrong. People can still own guns. But why should they be able to own certain guns that have proven to be more deadly than others because they make it easier to cause mass destruction?

Could you define more deadly for us please. I don't want to make assumption before responding fully.

My point was just that I’ve always heard from the left that they don’t want to ban guns, they just want better background checks, close the loopholes etc but this bill shows that they would like to ban a large percentage of guns. Many more than what the previous “assault weapons ban” banned

Well a lot of mass shootings still occurred after the assault weapons ban with non banned weapons. Mass shootings are an epidemic at this point. Something has to be done. I think people should be able to own pistols and certain rifles for hunting and recreation. What point is there in owning some of these guns that would be banned?

Mass shootings are done with guns that make it easy to do mass shootings with, if you have noticed by now, no one is doing a mass shooting with 1 pistol.

The left wants to ban those types of guns that make it easy, but they have faced extraordinary lobbying from the NRA and other special interest groups. They have not "banned" the guns like you imply, They have tried certainly, but to say they have successfully carried out the gun bans and whatnot is misleading at best.

Sure, there should be a debate on how far a ban on guns like the AR-15 and other cheap repeating rifles, but to say that the debate on it is over and we should abandon it entirely is harmful to the discussion.

but to say that the debate on it is over and we should abandon it entirely is harmful to the discussion

Where did I say that...? We're having a debate about it right now in this thread...

You gloss over the idea of banning and direct the conversation to "something must be done".

If I'm reading that incorrectly go ahead and clarify.

Yeah, this problem needs to be addressed. Our government is such that, in order to do something, we need to debate it first. I'm not quite sure how my call that something needs to be done discloses debate.

I think it's just a translation issue on my end then, no worries man.

It's an interesting debacle. I 100% understand what you're saying. Perhaps there is a fear of a snowball effect?

On one hand, limiting the sales of firearms would hopefully restrict or is intended to be preventative. On the other hand many would argue that we're only making ourselves as citizens more out-matched in a gun fight.

Ultimately, the government has drones and we don't though...

Should you be able to buy a bazooka? Rocket launcher? Turret? No one needs semiautomatic rifles to hunt or protect themselves. Only to shoot a lot of people really fast

“Shall not be infringed”

The right to own guns has not been infringed. People still have a right to own guns under these bans... Courts have consistently upheld them despite this exact argument. Would be different if it said shall not be impaired.

It has though, Infringe: act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.

These bans don’t do anything. How about we work on fixing the million gun laws we already are stuck with rather than adding more?

You have to make new legislation to address what's wrong with other legislation...

By banning more shit. Riiiiiiight

I never said you have to ban more. But the way our republic is set up, you can't just go and edit laws. You have to create new laws to adjust what's on the books. If lawmakers think that the initial law didn't ban the right weapons, then yeah, then have to make new legislation to ban more, or remove some weapons from the previous ban. It's how the republican system works in our country.

But banning more guns is beside your point. It's a separate issue. Your constitutional argument has no merit whatsoever. Courts have consistently found that your argument is flat out wrong.

To the other point, clearly certain guns are continually used in mass shootings. These are not weapons used for hunting. Responsible gun owners use them for recreation. I don't currently own a gun, but I do plan to get one. But I'll have no need whatsoever to own the guns that are proposed to be banned. If a responsible owner, like myself, wants to use such a gun, it'd very likely be for recreation, so why not just allow gun ranges to keep these weapons on hand so they can be used at the range only.

It's a balance. The government's responsibility to maintain the safety of the citizenry must be measured against the the privilege of a citizen to own certain types of guns. Notice the use of privilege. Citizens have a right to own guns. They don't have a right to own any gun they want. They may have a privilege to use certain types of guns, which may be limited. That's what these bans can, and in my opinion, should do.

Dude, no one is ever going to take away anyone's gun unless they have obtained the gun illegally.

The fact you think the government is going to come in and steal your gun from you shows how little you understand.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

People tend to forget about the first part of the second amendment, but what has been infringed here? Nowhere does the second amendment say that a well-regulated militia can keep and bear ALL arms.

why should they be able to own certain guns that have proven to be more deadly than others because they make it easier to cause mass destruction?

Let me preface this by saying that I don't own a gun. However, I don't agree with creating laws banning any weapon. Police departments use AR-15's, dont they? In the last few years we've seen how bad corruption has gotten. Why would you want to willingly allow them to ban certain guns that they are using on their own citizens? We aren't talking about military soldiers in Iraq using said weapons, I'm talking about our local PD. When the police are willing to do away with them, then maybe I'd support such a bill. Until then, I see this as nothing more than an attempt to disarm our people.

Where are you getting your news if you think police are using AR-15s on people? Maybe in a Swat setting.

Yeah.... no.

https://www.quora.com/Do-all-cops-carry-an-AR-15-or-something-similar-in-their-squad-cars-Are-they-allowed-to-carry-it-under-their-seats-etc-in-case-they-need-to-grab-it-quickly

http://www.policemag.com/blog/patrol-tactics/story/2014/10/police-rifles-why-we-carry-what-we-do.aspx

Yeah... no. You are ignoring my response completely. The first article, explaining why officers have AR-15s describe incidents when SWAT was called in. Which is my point. Officers have these weapons for incidents in which mass casualties occur and the suspects are using similar weapons. When SWAT is necessary, generally, is when these weapons get used. Not on regular citizens during routine stops or similar.

So yeah... no. If anything the articles you linked prove my point. I never said police don't have AR-15s. Just that they aren't using them on random people, which undercuts your point of there being a need not to "disarm our people."

Homie, I live in New York where I regularly see Police walking around with AR-15's.....

Again, homie, you are missing my point. Or you're just ignoring it. Police can carry AR-15s. I've never said that police shouldn't have access to AR-15s. But you're acting like the fact that they have access to them means that regular citizens must as well. But why...? Unless AR-15s are being used against regular citizens for little to no legitimate reason (outside of mass casualty or SWAT-type events), then why do citizens need them...?

But you're acting like the fact that they have access to them means that regular citizens must as well.

That's exactly what im saying. The average citizen should have access to the same weapons to protect themselves from tyranny. I can't even believe im having this argument in the conspiracy sub-reddit of all places.

Are you so dillusional that you really think that's not happening or hasn't happened?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1pJe_Tcdeg

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-did-a-cop-follow-a-man-home-before-killing-him-with-an-ar-15

Should I be able to buy rocket launchers? Why limit it if the government has rocket launchers so should the citizens! /s

Except we’re talking about local pd’s......

So we would be left with breach loaded and bolt action rifles? That doesn't sound like they thought that one through...

Except making it illegal to own the most popular gun in America by a huge margin is basically taking away everyone's guns. So it's kind of like that.

It’s not so much weird as it is Fox News fear mongering

What we need to do in America for point of sale gun control that actually makes sense is change the way we do it entirely.

Currently, we disallow anyone convicted of a crime punishable by 1 year or more incarceration from purchasing firearms. This made sense in the 1920s when that category was bank robbers, murderers, rapists, etc. Since then, it's gotten very easy to get hung out to dry and fall into this category and it no longer does anything but create a massive black market.

How it should be handled is through education, a basic psychiatric screening, and licensing at the federal level. No history of violence, no overt crazy, and demonstrate an understanding of general safety (guns go on your person or in a safe, the bang end makes things dead, etc.)

As for the more recent debate over school safety, I can't figure out why 9/11 happened and, almost the next day, airports were made into more hardened targets. I'm not saying arming teachers is the right answer but it's being dismissed out of hand. I'm not saying armed guards is the right answer but it's also being dismissed out of hand.

Maybe the answer might start with not, as the high school I went to had, sending the rejects from the police/ sheriff's department as resource officers. Maybe offer the job to some recently discharged military personnel and let them plain clothes CCW in the halls to keep an eye out for lunatics with guns, knives, bombs, machetes, saw blades on a stick, etc. and let them be ROTC instructors, gym teachers, and trainers for sports teams while nothing is happening.

Heard about this from Ben Shapiro’s podcast yesterday. It was surreal listening him speak that way.

I think what Trump said should horrify anyone, and it would cause him to be a one-term president.

However, I think what he probably meant (no way to know for sure), is that the process for removing guns from people like school shooters should be faster. I don't necessarily disagree with the process being faster, but there's no telling where this would lead so I don't know for sure what I think about that, other than what Trump literally said is really bad.

What I personally think should happen right now is:

1) We don't need more regulations on guns and types of guns. Criminals don't follow laws anyways.

2) If any new regulation is warranted, it should not be about guns, but making it easier (I'm probably not going to communicate this well) for the immediate family and/or friends of a person to have a person involuntarily held by mental facilities, but maybe for no more than two weeks at a time. I say immediate family and friends because those are the people who should know you best.

3) If we want something done, do it. Convince your local school districts to up security or put armed guards in schools. No need to wait for the federal government to write another law. The federal government messes up almost everything it puts its fat fingers into anyway. It already did or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

4) If you're worried enough, just homeschool your kids. It worked when my mom convinced my dad she could homeschool me and my siblings. I think a school shooting was what convinced her. I'm not judging people that don't homeschool, just throwing that out there as an option that works.

 

As a side not, anyone remember the school shooting in KY from January? I don't. Anyone remember those kids being used by the media pimps to be used as anti 2nd Amendment prostitutes? I don't. Probably because Kentuckians are probably vastly pro-gun.

All I'm saying is the media, I think obviously at this point, can't be trusted on issues, except to push what is probably wrong.

I think what he probably meant (no way to know for sure), is that the process for removing guns from people like school shooters should be faster

Maybe he meant that, but a few minutes later he said the police should have seized Cruz's weapons "whether they had the right or not."

Yeah... that's not good.

While we're on it, I also disagree with Jeff Sessions' stance on civil asset forfeiture. I think both things are similar.

I guess Trump is more of a "do something now, ask questions later" kind of guy. That's a good thing in some cases, but when it comes to civil rights, it is not.

Don’t forget him saying he doesn’t think national reciprocity can happen. Which is a huge issue for me as that was a big selling point for this administration.

As it is now, if I have my CCW in Kentucky but want to spend the night in NY and get caught with my CCW then I will probably get a felony and go to jail. It’s kind of absurd and needs to be addressed.

So, hands off guns but it's okay to imprison someone on the word of a friend (you're going to have to define that in a completely objective way) or family member?

I guess we're at the point where the only rights anyone has any respect for are those granted by the second amendment.

Hope you are not a Shapiro fanboy. He was dead wrong to pile on the fake news about Scot Peterson being a coward and how great it would be for teachers to arm up.

Fanboy? What world do you live in. I listen to different points of view and he is a sensible conservative.

sensible conservative.

if only

It's why he hasn't had a press conference since, what, January 2017??? This is exactly why. He's clearly suffering from some sort of mental impairment, or is just not very smart ot to begin with.

Remember when every day we'd have a "x amount of days since Hillary Clinton's last press conference?" Good times. At least we knew she wasn't senile.

There were tons of people saying she was senile, who knows if they were bots?? Trump is a lot like my 6 year old niece, talks and talks about one thing then changes topics mid sentence and suddenly talking about something else

at first i thought you were saying Hillary had been replaced by a series of robots and i was like fuck yeah this is my kind of conspiracy lets do this

lolz Hillbot3000

Nah dude, Hilldawg is an interdimensional reptilian shapeshifter.

This thread is making me laugh way too much in public.

I’m only partly joking. Like in the sense that I don’t actually believe that, but id it came out tomorrow that she actually was, I would be like “I fucking knew it!”

"Gotcha Suckers!"

That might be the first Bowdinger reference anyone has ever made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwEpfsUcpeQ

I can totally see her pantsuit dissolving into dozens of skittering minibots. In fact I think she lost a few parts during her short circuit episode.

They never cared about any of the details, the particular acts or behavioors. The only sin they ever actually cared about and weren't just concern trolling was "Being Donald Trump's opponent."

I can't stand Shillery but I have to agree with you.

Has any president said anything as unconstitutional as that due process statement? Democrat presidents always talk about gun control in office but I dont think any said something that bad.

No President, as far as I know, has ever said anything like that before. It's straight out of the Duterte playbook.

Tbqh I hate Trump probably 100x more than the average user here, and I didn't find that statement so alarming. I was just under the assumption that we already operated that way if there was reasonable suspicion, and if the due process finds it to be in error then the victim is awarded "wrongful arrest/seizure" compensation.

Right wing Fox news host Tucker Carlson actually said that if any Democrat had said such a thing 'it would be grounds for an impeachment'. Why the double standard where the GOP keeps saying/doing authoritarian things without repercussions?

It's to keep you in this left-right paradigm.

4D chess brah. I truly believe he knows exactly what he's doing.

You forgot your /s!

Yeah, he does, and what he's doing is fleecing a bunch of rubes like you.

The man can't even spell the word "dying" correctly in his toddler-tantrum tweet about Alec Baldwin and you think he's un-ironic galaxy-brain.

He's an unprincipled good.

I couldn't figure out what his angle on gun control was since it flies in the face of the GOP so hard.

All of a sudden it makes sense. He's in favor of literally anything that makes it easier for him to rule with absolute power.

Power is his doctrine.

If that is the case, why do his opponents also push so hard for gun control? The 2nd ammendment protects the left as well as the right, even if the left is largely not a “gun culture”.

If the left pushes hard for gun control and wins, they won’t just be sticking it to the right, they will also be sticking it to themselves, giving up a freedom that would protect them from a tyrannical right leaning government.

If strong gun control is enacted, and if Trump pushes hard fascism as many are concerned, ie, rounding up immigrants, minorities, death camps, etc, then there will be little to be done to protect against it with a disarmed population.

Honestly, it is in the left’s best interest to protect their 2nd ammendment rights and resist any efforts to disarm them.

The far left is pro gun. You're thinking liberals, who are not far left, but more centrist. Hillary Clinton and Obama are good examples.

The far left wants guns because they hate cops and don't want to rely on them for protection. Black Panthers and most leftist groups in the USA have all been very, very pro gun.

Came to say this, glad you did. Thank you.

He's not a conservative. His doctrine is simply Power. Conservatism is just the means.

Far left is violently against any attempts at disarming the people at any time. "Far left" means communist or anarchist, means "revolution is necessary", and one of the core tenets of those two ideologies is defending the complete arming of the people.

He should just get his kill squad down to the Cocaine Import Agency and start working.

There's bound to be a dog whistle in there somewhere to reassure the base that he's only talking about black dealers. And maybe some Mexican illegals. Yeah.... execute them! Make it public. The ratings will be huge!

This is all just talk to get the dems to back down to big talking Donny! You’ll see it’s posturing!

/s

Could be Trumps distraction from what’s really going on. White hats of NSA, Mattis , marines taking down cabal. Source; Qanon/8chan

Could be, I personally think Q is full of BS

I understand. We will see.

My mind is open to any substantial proof! Can’t wait either

Oh he does't even have to dogwhistle anymore. They know.

I don't agree with executing anyone but your comment is beyond ridiculous. He has not advocated any kind of action targeted at race. GTFO with that bullshit.

He has previously singled out Mexicans as drug runners and dealers. Now he is talking about executing drug runners and dealers. Who do you think he is talking about?

This is a blatant lie. He never said anything bad about all Mexicans.

Are you saying there aren't drug runners and dealers coming across the border? O course there are. Mexico has the highest murder rate in the world and they are right next door. This is a valid area of concern to all Americans.

We have a right to be concerned about who is entering from such a corrupt place. Almost ALL of the heroin deaths in our country (it's an epidemic) came across the Mexican border.

There is absolutely nothing racist about these facts. These are issues that need to be dealt with. It has nothing to do with race.

he never said anything bad about all mexicans

That's true. Some, he assumed, were good people.

A lot, lot, lot of very bad hombres are pouring across the border. You can't say otherwise.

You got stats to back up that statement?

This is a blatant lie. He never said anything bad about all Mexicans.

Oh, right. He “assumes” that “some” are good people.

A lot, lot, lot of very bad hombres are pouring across the border. You can't say otherwise.

You got stats to back up that statement?

Sure - here you go: https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs27/27612/cborder.htm

http://globalsecuritystudies.com/ODonnell%20Mexican%20Cartels.pdf

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/28/mexican-lawmakers-say-worsening-mexico-violence-returning-criminals.html

Ciudad Juarez Mayor Jose Reyes blamed U.S. deportation policy for contributing to his city's violence, saying that of the 80,000 people deported to Juarez in the past three years, 28,000 had U.S. criminal records -- including 7,000 convicted rapists and 2,000 convicted murderers.

These people need to GTFO. Fuck them. 7,000 rapists and 2,000 murderers - here illegally. That's just the convicted people. How many drug dealers and gang members? Who knows?

https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

15,000 deaths from heroin in the US last year.

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2016/mar/14/rob-portman/most-heroin-us-comes-over-mexican-border/

Most US heroin comes from Mexico.

Who do you think is bringing it?

This is pure stupidity. We have a right to protect our border and there is absolutely nothing racist about that.

But they are ddrreeeeaammeeerrrssss /s

Were you living under a rock during the campaign?

Care to give actual quotes, in context?

He pardoned Joe Arpaio, who was convicted under the court of law to be illegally racially profiling hispanics....

Lie. He was convicted of ignoring a court order to stop arresting illegal immigrants. He refused to let this liberal judge tell him he couldn't do his job.

The Arizona law is an exact copy of the Federal law and since Obama refused to enforce laws duly passed by Congress, Arpaio enforced the laws enacted by the people of Arizona.

Arpaio was trying to the job he was elected to do. Trump pardoning him does not in any way make Trump a racist.

He wasnt just arresting illegal immigrants though, he was arresting legal ones and racially profiling them.

You I hope. Your stupidity is murdering millions of innocent brain cells.

Mexican isn’t a race, there are more than one ethnicity in a country.

Can we do the teenaged beauty pageant afterwards?

Ahh dog whistling -when someone you hate doesn’t say what you wish they’d said.

Are drug dealers goof people?

33 minutes from the time of posting to the near top of r/conspiracy, with just 3 comments ......

Nope, nothing to see here folks, that's just the mysterious ways algorithms work. It's magic.

Maybe it’s upvoted by organic users who find it concerning, and want to maximize visibility. Like me.

“Everyone is a shill except for me! A 6 month old account that posts 90% pro trump, pro Russia/China stuff!!”

Half the time you can tell by the username, they seem to pick very generic words that go together but aren't something that normal people would pick for a name. Something like pizza_chef or baseball_player.

Just look at OP’s post history.. lol

March Against Drumpf .. etc etc

Left wing hack. There are far more paid Democrat shills on Reddit than there are “Russian bots”

I’m not sure how many are paid. Most are just insufferable losers.

Got any evidence? Or have we changed the word conspiracy to mean opinion?

Dems had paid shills during the election, the election is over, who is funding them now that no one is running?

Of course I'm sure because I've commented on r/politics I'll be written off as a shill.

George Soros pays all us Democratic shills, duh. Didn't you get your check this week?

For good reason. For someone that just ejaculate's random content all over Reddit without caring what that content contains, sure they're "Internet points". For me personally, they're the hallmark of a paid agenda.

I agree. Most Reddit users are hysterical and suffer from extreme trump derangement syndrome, so “organic users” is an appropriate term.

The drug war and the bullshit way we've gone about addressing drugs in this country might be one of the only things every single one of us here agrees on.

That and police brutality, agreed.

...which is actually way less common than people think.

I agree completely. The war on drugs is ineffective and a huge waste of taxpayer money.

What are you suggesting? That this was pushed up by mods or something? Artificially inflated somehow because it bad mouths trump or the pharmaceutical industry? Are you pro pharma? I just don’t really understand what portion of this you are complaining about.

He commented then never responded, trying to distract from conversation

Could be. I was genuinely interested in what he didn’t like.

everything is a conspiracy /s

You are aware of the sub you're in, right? O_o

We're in r/everythingisaconspiracy?

you fucking idiots are gonna kill us all

We should execute the drug dealers; the heads of Big pharma and their lobbyists and the politicians that suck their dollars. And I fucking love drugs but this shit is out of control, man.

Yes execute those in charge of the DEA, ATF, and the Gun runners in the CIA. Fuck it all of the CIA too.

How about we have due process and make sure punishments match the crime...?

You reasonable person you!

ARE YOU TRYING TO BE RATIONAL?! YOU HEARD THEM! EXECUTE BIG PHARMA!

I thought we worried about due process after punishment now though :^)

Of course - public, transparent trials. Then if guilty, public executions.

I want to say "life in prison", but this is a public safety issue. We're talking millions dead.

You're right death is too easy for ruining the lives of millions.

Typical anontifa comment in favor of massive corporations.

“If he is really talking about the worst of the worst, he needs to be clear," she said. “It gets into a gray area, and it can be a little uncomfortable when you go there.”

This is where we need clarification.

He said

"If you shoot one person, they give you life, they give you the death penalty. These people can kill 2,000, 3,000 people and nothing happens to them."

It's pretty fucking clear the level he is talking about.

Marijuana is schedule 1. Is he talking about weed? We need a resolution.

Why not both?

Because this is the United States of America and that's not in alignment with the principles that our country is supposed to stand for.

True, but our justice system needs to be unclogged.

Cruel and unusual punishment and unjust sentencing isn't going to solve this. Killing drug dealers isn't going to address the underlying socio-economic issues that drive people towards becoming drug dealers or pursuing other illicit means of supporting themselves, and at best it would be a soggy, infected bandage on the problem that almost inevitably will make things worse.

When you have masses of people with limited access to opportunities and wealth plus a plethora of policies that encumber folks with lifelong repercussions for mistakes and accidents (which often extends to their children and families) you're basically driving people towards illicit means to stay afloat. They have few reasonable alternatives. It doesn't make what they're doing and the decisions they are making right, but that also doesn't mean they deserve to be murdered for it.

And as for those complicit within the pharmaceutical companies, their actions and decisions were guided by pure greed. They should be separated from any ill gotten gains, forced to repay their debt to society, and removed of the privileges they took advantage of while neglecting their responsibilities. But death is far from a reasonable and constitutional punishment here.

Are you really defending drug dealers? They both are motivated by greed and couldnt care less about the damage they do to peoples lives and the lives of the family members of those affected. The way the justice system works in this country has created a consequence free enviornment for crinimals, at both ends of the specrum.

Yes. I am indeed defending drug dealers against unconstitutional capital punishment.

So, that is unconstitutional but not letting people commit suicide is?

Completely irrelevant. It's clear you don't want to have an honest discussion here, so I'll leave you be. It was foolish of me to waste my time conversing with you, but I did attempt to give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's getting to the point where people just shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves. When was the last time someone anywhere ever made the right decision on anything? The government and corporations need to release guidelines for Americans to follow on what they can and can't do so we can all finally live in peace.

-Trump

Lmao that was a pathetic attempt at arguing a dumb point

Didn't or Doesn't the Philippines do that too?

They still do. But they used to, too.

Found Mitch Hedberg.

The real conspiracy theory is always in the comments. Mitch never died, he just stopped doing stand up and just comments on reddit.

I used to be a hot-tar roofer. Yeah, I remember that... day.

Could someone confirm, has /r/conspiracy turned into /r/cuckold all of a sudden?

You're here so, maybe?

With his eyes closed, wearing tinted glasses.

Drunk, reading all his jokes from a piece of paper in a continuous delivery

As he should

That would be a very Mitch thing of him to do.

No I really died, it’s on Wikipedia.

Are you on acid?

I usually am....

Oh man, they got me.

Alex Jones is Mitch Hedberg

Bill Hicks

Mitch never died, he just stopped doing stand up and just comments on reddit.

This thought makes me oddly happy... just like Mitch was.

So did they

Found the opioid abuser

Lsd isn't an opioid.

Well, he died if a cocaine and heroin overdose. I'm pretty sure heroin is an opioid.

I thought LSD was the drug to which you were referring.

Let me see a picture of you when you were younger.... Every picture of you is when you were younger!

More like found the long time redditor who sees this joke once a day

If he weren’t ded he’d be killed

That comment read in his voice automatically, crazy

Only since Adolf Duterte came to power. Not surprised Drumpf likes him. Like and like...

You are so witty, that's just so clever.

Why try to derail the thread with comments like that? Have you ever taken anything seriously in life?

its just Duterte who has done it. not a PH thing

Used to be a Marcos thing though. Probaby will be a Marcos thing again in 2022.

That was the original idea, but right now it's turned into an EJK nightmare.

Don't like your neighbor? Tell the cops he's a "drug pusher" and he'll be strung up on the lamppost by the end of the week. Cops need to meet their quota? Find a kid, tell him to run, then shoot him for running.

The Phillipines is much safer now than it was. People like to ignore that part.

Living up to your user name, I see...

Commented before I read yours...

It's almost as though they traded liberty and due process for safety.

Being so privileged you think an undeveloped country gives a flying fuck about due process and just wants to take back control from criminals.

The definition of privilege.

You can't become criminals to stop crime.

Executing criminals isnt a crime. Its a public service for the betterment of the community.

Lol, said on a conspiracy subreddit no less

Is gladly shoot a pedophile to save children, wouldnt you?

Yes, a verifiably guilty one, through due process, and not just running around shooting everyone I THINK looks like a paedophile

Do you think the head of a state is incapable of knowing someone is affiliated with drug cartels?

Yes, and the head of state would be tempted to abuse that extra-judicial power. This is why our founding fathers set up our nation as they did. Do you not like our constitution?

You can't know you're executing criminals without due process.

That's what the "due" in "due process" means.

Also lol, cute trying to appropriate idpol language to justify fascism.

Could have just said “dats racist”.

No. The people are fucking smart there. They see massive problems, and elected the solution themselves. They WANTED him and his radical ideas, they give him an approval rating of 70%. Its racist of you to think they don’t know exactly what they want.

Well, good luck to them. Hitler was voted in. Doesn’t mean they’re advancing as a society

And Hitler did a fucking miracle for the German people before the war.

Especially those German Jews right? Definitely helped them out.

Yeah definitely didnt pave the way for their own ethnostate.

All they had to do was pay for it with the blood of 6 million!!! Hella worth it if you ask me.

Wait which 6 million? Which time? They’ve been unfairly bullied and thrown out of over 100 different societies, you have to be more specific about which 6 million please.

&nbsd;

http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaust-And-The-Number-6,000,000-Before-The-Nuremberg-Trials-Began.php

Well considering you're talking about Hitler... I'm talking about the Jews exterminated in ww2.

Wait, which over 100 different societies? You have to be more specific about which 100 please.

You utter moron - there were about 6 million Jews living in Russia and Eastern Europe in the early twentieth century, which is what almost all of those references in your link are to. Yeah, plenty of them are a bit muddled, like attributing them all to Russia, because guess what: it was a bit harder to calculate precise population numbers a century ago, plus newspaper writers didn't have the internet to check what the latest consensus was on ethnic demographics on other continents. Get your head out of your arse.

Its all an easily explained coincidence!

You haven't listed the 100+ different societies (that you imply this figure of 6 million could or had been claimed to apply to).

Oh are you actually interested? Its on Wikipedia. You can just google it lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_of_Jews

Almost always for usury or something relating to undermining society.

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No, I'm not actually interested because you're blatantly obviously full of shite - I just wanted to clarify that to any other readers. There isn't anything close to 100 different societies mentioned in your link, and in almost none of them had it ever been claimed that 6 million were expelled. Ignorant idiots like yourself are a major reason why society at large has difficulty taking well-researched and -argued narratives around conspiracies seriously.

So how many countries were the expelled from?

Also, are you jewish?

No, I'm actually half-German. I take no particular pride or lack of pride in my heritage, given that human DNA is remarkably similar from sub-group to sub-group, compared to other primates. But what the fuck does that have to do with anything anyway? Your arguments and reasoning would embarrass an early secondary (or high, if you're American) schooler.

A History of the Jews, a list of expulsions for 2000 years

That link mentions the same places over and over. There isn't close to 100.

literally

Anddddddd fascist

Hitler drove Germany in to the ground and laid the foundation for decades of foreign rule of German soil...

He had but one life to give and he gave it to the German people. RIP.

Lol god, vouching for Hitler. Well, at least you’re open about it

Id vouch for Gadaffi too. Great people.

Have fun with that!

#ImWithHer

Are they free to disapprove? Fuck no. So whatever poll you're referencing is pure bullshit.

He has a 15% disproval rating I believe. But the polls for trump are accurate right?

Do you have a link to these approval ratings?

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-01/08/c_136880017.htm

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Duterte-s-Philippines/Philippine-President-Duterte-s-approval-rating-rebounds-sharply

The second is the one I quoted from.

You are so foolish. It has nothing to do with privilege, it has to do with common sense. They have that over in these underdeveloped countries, common sense is present all around the world. What you're saying is that because they're third world it's okay for them to act like savages with no sense of just society, correct?

Do you think the drug dealers are acting like savages with no sense of just society? Or the people that voted willingly for Duterte and give him a 70% approval rating?

Lol because someone who sells joints or Vicodin to pay for their college textbooks or to give their children fucking bread is on the same level as someone who slings mass amounts of heroin to kids. There are varying degrees to this and you're so ignorant you want to lump all of these people together and kill them without even seeing if they did it. You sound retarded to be quite honest. Get a damn grip and look at things realistically. Its not all black and white! There's always grey in the middle, this is real life. If any of us want to find a positive answer to any of these problems we have to think clearly and openly. We have to be fair and just, otherwise everyone might as well be wearing a damn loincloth.

You can have a disagreement without going into teenage insults. I understand where you’re coming from, maybe you’ll connect more with this: you said it yourself, parts of it are black, white, and (probably) mostly grey. For the ends of the bell curve that are black, i say retaliate with what they know, which is force, power, intimidation, you have to play their game. For the parts of it that are white (troubled users for example) I would say show compassion and offer treatment, and you’ll probably agree with that part.

Well, the president and his son are about to have a monopoly on the drugtrade there. So yeah?

They are eliminating competetion, not helping the society.

Source: Reddit some time.

Great theorizing, and excellent source.

Thanks! I did do my best! (:

How can anyone tell if the people being shot in the streets by the cops are in fact drug dealers? There was no trial. There was no evidence. Just a decision by a guy with a badge and a gun.

They have bounties based on number of kills, so the decision comes all the way from the top.

Umm... according to my buddy who just moved back over there to help his family run the national lottery, the criminal organizations are now the political party. They aren't taking it back. They're stamping out competition.

Thats a pretty cool gig. Do you have an article you’d recommend? Otherwise im just gonna dig.

All word of mouth but the guy quit his 6 figure salary to go back so ya, probably a good gig. He said it's very dangerous and corrupt but since he and his family will be provided personal protection he's willing to risk it.

That's what makes a shitty country shitty: keep people scared and oppressed and compliant. So much better to live in a free society where one is free to criticize the govt, take drugs at their own risk and know that the cops are there to protect them from murderers, rapists and the like--not subject to the whims of the police state.

Being so persuaded by propaganda and lies from the government that you think being executed for using drugs is not only rational but nessicary.

Its not the 1980s anymore. Drugs arent the big bad boogeyman that DARE lead you to believe. Go educate yourself.

I think the mexican cartels profiting off the drug trade are pretty bad.

I think a developed nation labeling drug users as subhuman and worthy of death is bad.

I think that a government killing anyone who isnt an immediate danger without due process is bad.

I also think that the existence of cartels in the first place is a direct effect of prohibition.

I think that people ignoring the human rights violations that are happening before our eyes as some sort of "nessicary evil" because you subscribe to an outdated, dogmatic, and mostly incorret understanding of drugs frankly disgusts me.

The point is, this would be indefensible even if the war on drugs was justified. And its not.

Yeah...cause due process worked so well in the past there.smh

So safe that political rivals, neighbors you don’t like, drug users, and anyone else deemed “undesirable” is summarily executed.

When you eliminate due process and the rule of law, there is nothing to stop people form murdering for any or no reason. That’s not safety. That’s complete chaos.

Yeah...those drug dealers were never murdering everyone. They liked it better when crime was rampant.

When all the homicides become state funded the statistics say they aren't homicides. Have fun killing all the young people in a country.

Name checks out.

According to Duterte, sure.

According to international observers, we don't know, because he has forbidden government and law enforcement officials from providing them with any data.

Safer? That’s not accurate in the slightest. While crime rates overall are down, the murder rate has risen by more than 50%.

There must be more lowlife drug dealers, isis recruits, and criminals to kill.

Accurate username.

it was used from the beginning to get rid of political opponents as well as drug users

There have been at least three different elected mayors who have been killed during warrentless raids under Duterte thus far.

I read on r/Philippines the night that police took a night off to celebrate Xmas, EJK’s were zero.

Thats not even close to true. The reports of people there have been in favor of the drug ban and elimination of gang members.

What reports?

People are in favor of banning of drugs. A significant number of people are not for outright murder on the streets. Source: I'm Filipino.

You are correct.

Yeah, they also use it as an excuse to execute political dissidents.

If by radicals you mean the young, Democrats, anti-war voters, i.e. his political opponents, then yeah, radicals.

Well I also meant the real radicals, which were interspersed in those categories but also included the Black Panthers and student movements.

So you meant what you said? Then I read you right.

No. Nixon was pragmatic, he wouldn't waste his time on a handful of people. His own domestic policy chief, John Erlichman, has gone on record stating unequivocally the reason was "the anti-war left and black people". So like, as many people as he could fuck at once.

The black panthers were both part of the anti war left and black people.

You're a pedant without a point.

I'm perfectly cogent, you're just unnecessarily dedicated to something you heard once because it used to make you feel smart.

And you are saying everyone was blazing back in the 70s. It was a sub culture and nothing more. It's not like hippies were the majority. Not even close. So are you just repeating something you heard so you feel smart?

In 1973, 12% of respondents to a Gallup poll said they had tried marijuana. That number had doubled by 1977. The Black Panther party had about 10,000 members in December 1969. That's about 0.00005% of the 205.05 million US citizens that year...if we round up. Now, if I know anything about which number is bigger than the other number...

It isn't difficult to feel smart around these parts.

everybody was smoking back then

I didn't mention the Black Panthers or any of the left wing radicals of that time. Thanks for telling me that pot smokers were the minority, just like I said. Also, I guess thanks for the number of black panther members there were?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hyperbole

Thanks for your brilliant insight that not literally every person who existed in the 1970s smoked marijuana. Are you for fucking real, man? Is this a normal conversation with you?

It literally feels like you are the most petty conversationalist alive. No lie.

if you want to pick on someone for saying bs, then maybe avoid hyperbole when it is bs. Thanks for the definition of hyperbole. What would I do without you?

Thanks for your thanks. Hey. bs is not a word. I can't believe you are using words that don't exist. Explain yourself. I demand answers. What is the meaning of this???

bs means bullshit. Now what would you do without me?

Probably just know things you already knew and hit the down vote button less.

How long will you keep responding to me so that you have the last word?

I don't know man, I'm just trying to be as annoying as you are for fun at this point, but honestly, I don't know how you make it look so easy because I'm struggling here.

Just a natural, I guess.

Abbie Hoffman mentioned someone given a 10yr sentence for two joints. And this is '70s bud.

John Sinclair.

Believe he gave them away to someone who turned out to be a cop, too.

Communists?

Any not-anti-socialists, probably.

Also black people.

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baumfor the April cover story published Tuesday.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

I'd like to read the rest of this. Got a link to the source?

https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/

And don't forget the Mexicans! https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/etc/cron.html

And Singapore and China

Don't know about China, and while Singapore does execute drug dealers, they have pretty rigourous investigation and judiciary process.

Duarte. A thug/soon to be dictator. Who Trump has praised multiple times btw.

Didn't Doesn't Duar'te

Could be his campaign slogan

Who visited trump in the White House. Right? Didn't that happen?

No. Trump visited the Philippines and Duarte on his tour of Asia.

yes. also it's duterte

You're thinking of erdogan

It’s nice to see /r/conspiracy start to understand that Trump and the GOP are actually the path to tyranny.

Why y’all put all your chips down on a crew of religious zealots is beyond comprehension.

Seeing my Trumpers FB friends starting to post negative things has been nice to see.

Wow really? I have yet to see it from mine, what have they said if you don’t mind me asking?!

It's ok to disagree with the president sometimes, and suggesting taking our guns away is NOT alright. A trade war just doesn't sound smart. Why would he do that? We don't even make that much aluminum in the first place?

You have trumpturd friends? Ew...

Yeh. Talking to people outside of my echo chamber helps

Thank god we keep them all in trailer parks out here. We see a few in their jacked up pickup trucks going to work out in the whatever manual labor shit they do, but thank god they stay out of the cities when night falls. ;)

You should move dude. I talk to no trumpturds unless I am getting my tires changed. LOL!

Please be a troll. I may disagree with them, many I don't really like entirely, but you can't wall yourself off from people you disagree with. You need to keep communication channels open. Hear their side of things.

Troll my ass. trumpturds give absolutely no value to society. They are racist, deny climate-change, are stupid, and support fucking pedophiles.

I beg to differ. They are toxic pieces of shit that have no place in civilized society.

Come to California and we can show you how good life can be without trumpturds. We drove them entirely out of our government (nunes is done this year, even in his trumpturd bubble in the sticks) and we are flush with cash and leading the world in technology among other things.

Or hang out with your trumpturd friends LOL!

They're certainly the minority here, and I'll disagree with the whole heartedly, but this is America, and living with people you disagree with is part of it.

Which is why we have the CalExit movement. We want nothing to do with the broke ass country fucks east of the Sierra Nevada.

We are getting closer and closer to leaving your nasty nation every day big guy. ;D

Californian first here, 6th generation. Not claiming to be American until they have a legitimate government back in place.

That makes me sad. And your post history makes me even sadder.

Bye Felicia! Have fun with your trumpturd friends....LOL!

If that comment doesn't convince you this sun is full of brainwashed bad hombres then you're lost.

The radicalized arguments of anti trumpers are absurd and none hold up to any reality. Almost all are children.who are ready to kill their neighbors and have never experienced anything in their lives from which to qualify their hostility.

Yeah unforuntaney once Bernie lost the Primaries I opted for Trump as opposed to Hillary, but I didn't vote.

Tried to support Trump bc "Hey he's a good business man and when Assad gassed his own citizens Trump didn't put up with that shit."

Buuuuut I feel like a mother fucking ex KGB agent Putin could easily outsmart and play Trump.

Any and all US governmental administrations are paths to tyranny. Bush? Corporatist warmonger. Obama? Corporatist warmonger. Hillary Clinton? Corporatist warmonger. Trump? Corporatist warmonger. Love how no news reports on Trump announcing we're staying in Syria indefinitely. Eveeyine at the top loves war and keeping us addicted and sick and powerless. That's where the money is

So you think 0bama and Hillary are any different? Astonishing.

I do. At the very least they weren’t championing human rights violators. Trump seems to champion dictators and appreciates their absolute power. He’s not a fan of democracy. He considers democrats treasonous for not standing during his state of the union.

Any thoughts on Trump not establishing any election security in the face of Russians interfering with our process?

Obama just had 8 years in office. Do you have any examples of him attacking GOP as treasonous for not agreeing with or respecting him in a way that a king or dictator would demand? He had a GOP congressman yell AT HIM DURING HIS STATE OF THE UNION. Obama was cordial and made zero effort to reprimand the congressman. Fox News spent 247 attacking him. Never once did he threaten to have them removed from the air.

Trump would happily remove the two branches of government and the media. He openly marvels at the absolute power that some dictator-like leaders have. That is not an admirable quality.

Hey dummy..thinskinned 0bama CONSTANTLY whined about FOX News, as if having every other channel on Earth glorifying Him wasn't enough. He IS a liar, and deserves much more than just getting yelled at. Pull your head out of your ass.

There is no hope for people like you. Your blind party loyalty makes you completely ignorant and immune to any reasoning or common sense.

I only belong to the 'Me' Party.

Liberalism is a severe mental disorder.

I mean, Fox News did try to delegitimization his presidency by saying he was born in Kenya. “Terrorist fist bump” anyone?

Any ways... do you have any examples of Obama constantly whining about Fox? There are quite a few cordial and respectful interviews with he and Bill Oreilly. Quite a bit of disagreement. But never a hint of an unhinged president threatening the 1st amendment rights of Fox.

0bama himself, and his family, said he was born in Kenya. His college listed him as such. On and on.

Hey. And I’m curious. What were Obama’s biggest lies? What policies turned your world upside down while he was in office?

Just google 'obama biggest lies'.

Go ahead and tell me the lies that really stick out to you. I’m aware that all politicians are not the most honest people. Which Obama lies were the biggest problem for you?

Here’s the deal. My whole point was that Trump is a danger to democracy and that he and the GOP are currently on a path to tyranny. To which you responded “as if Obama and Hillary were any different.” They were very different. Never once did they praise lifetime presidential appointments. Trump would dismantle the constitution if the GOP lets him. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-china/trump-praises-chinese-president-extending-tenure-for-life-idUSKCN1GG015

All politicians suck at the teat of their Zionist masters. Welcome to reality.

And what is Trump doing to stop/ curtail it?

I don't really care, it's beyond my control anyway. I have a very full life.

You don’t care about Trump expanding surveillance etc, but you cared about Obama doing it?

1-I can't do anything about it.

2-0bama is mentioned because of all the apologists who still gush over that .001%er. His friends, just like Trumps, are billionaires and (((international bankers))).

Here’s my original comment:

https://i.imgur.com/JitDYu7.jpg

To which you replied “as if Hillary and 0bama are any different.” (Nice touch on the 0bama. Very mature.

You brought up obama. You brought up Hillary. You’re obviously still mad at them. And I asked you why. And you told me to google things. There was nothing in Obama’s presidency that made anyone fearful of his following the basic principles of our democratic system.

Trump and his GOP are on a road to tyranny.. and it’s not even a conspiracy. Maybe that’s why it’s hard for you to see. It’s right in front of your face. But you hate the left so much, that you can’t even get on the right side of history. Get. It. Together. Buddy.

ALWAYS use 0 to indicate maximum disrespect, citizen.

And you disrespect Obama because he expanded surveillance... just as Trump is doing.

So... we done here?

The same was said about Bush 1+2, Clinton, Reagan, and 0bama.

But it’s actually happening under Trump https://twitter.com/evan_mcmullin/status/971816571541876736?s=21

You mean how he had federal agencies target political opponents, spied on political opponents, and had a one-party media propaganda machine pushing his agenda for 8 years?

He didn't need to attack Fox. He had Jon Stewart, Colbert, The View, and all of his allies do if for him every day.

Hey. And I’m curios. What were Obama’s biggest lies? What policies turned your world upside down while he was in office?

Looks like its time to grab your whataboutisms, folks!

No matter who is President, half the country will hate him.

And as far as stupid comments, every President has a long list. 0bama was lost without a Teleprompter, and tended to babble incoherently.

In another post you mentioned Obama is a liar, what has he lied about? I just can’t believe you’d complain about liars while supporting Trump lmao. Irony at its finest!

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That list is full of exaggerations. Not even that but who said everyone else was truthful? Only a moron believes every politician is honest.

As I said, all pols are shit. Learn to read.

As far as 'exaggerations', I notice you aren't even trying to refute even one item. And, thanks for admitting 0bama is a liar, because he is.

Yet Cheeto in Chief won't hold a live press conference with journalists...o k a y

Yep, 100% agreed. Put away your party loyalty to the side and look at actions rather than words and you’ll see Trump for who he really is.

Exactly. Republicans are all about talk. Strengthening corporate interests while limiting personal citizens freedoms. They always talk the talk, but they NEVER walk the walk. They’re goddamn religious nuts. I mean... fuck that right off the bat. The only govt they limit is for their corporate buddies. End. Of. Story.

The sub changed recently. A few years ago it was a place to discuss legitimate conspiracy theories. Now it's basically a political shitstorm.

Actual shills, trolls, and bored/drunk redditors dominate the comments with crazy shit while real issues get buried.

There might actually be a conspiracy there, now that I mention it 🤔

There might actually be a conspiracy there, now that I mention it

Ha. It’s possible. I mean. The fact that it’s all political, and solely bashing one side (democrats) while championing the GOP... someone got an agenda pushed through here at the very least. I’d have respect if this sub was equally suspect of both parties.

That hypocritical fuck admits to taking Fentanyl daily, and his son just got caught trafficking drugs.

Really makes me sad I would have liked to visit the Philippines but it doesn't sound like a good place to be these days

You'll be safe, just stay out of the bad parts of mindanao.

Okay will keep in mind. I'm a pussy tho

THOSE BASTARDS!!

Nah, I think he was just born that way. Trump is just a natural lunatic, fentanyl has nothing to do with it.

Not sure if sarcasm, but I meant Duterte.

/s

I praise him too.

Yes. And it's working really well over there /s

Also like the Philippines it would be used to "disappear" political enemies using drug charges.

And it works great
IMHO, the best way to stop the big drug cartels is to execute a few rich drug users (not dealers!).
That will kill the demand and totally destabilize the business.

A few? the death toll from the 'official estimate' is 13,000 dead. Its likely much more. This is a massive, massive campaign.

That wouldn’t work, and you’re a fucking fascist.

That wouldn’t work, and you’re a fucking fascist.

You double-posted by accident.

Professor Richard Griffiths of the University of Wales wrote in 2005 that "fascism" is the "most misused, and over-used word, of our times".

Killing people is not ok. Please revise your opinion.

Why do people on the internet think killing is so easy to do an rationalize?

It's almost like killing people is worse than being high on a drug....who would've thunk.

Because it's been easy for the entire history of humankind.
Not through speeches and majority decisions will the great questions of the day be decided but by iron and blood.

I hope you are never in a position of power over anyone's life.

I'm not an abortion doctor.

Yes, if we just executed all drug users we could end the opioid epidemic

Not all, just a few. Especially rich ones.
In the high circles drugs are totally 'normal'.
Let's stop that.

I'm fine with executing drug dealers, as long as we start with the CIA

Duterte. And yes, he’s a horrendous piece of shit. Fortunately we have due process and the rule of law here. And this Duterte wannabe will only succeed in making himself look bad

Fortunately we have due process and the rule of law here.

Ahahahahahahaha... Wait, you're serious. Oh shit. Dude, due process went out the window a long time ago.

Some people are waiting in the wings on this..I wouldn't hold your breath though....

$$$$$$ > Morality

Overwhelmingly

Fortunately we have due process and the rule of law here.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2018/02/alabama_sheriffs_pocket_tens_o.html

Per https://www.quora.com/profile/Manohar-Kanapaka:

Rodrigo Duterte in my opinion is an ultimate right wing bad ass.

For the Indian audience, I can draw some parallels with Mr. Narendra Modi himself. Modi has done some remarkable stuff in Gujarat (leave the Godhra riots for this answer or the mediocre record of Gujarat with respect to HDI) which was his precedence to running for the Prime Minister chair.

On the same lines, Mr. Duterte has made Mindanao region (the most neglected southern part in Philippines) from being a fascist, murder capital to a vibrant, clean metropolis. No media can deny this fact and he wasn’t even getting greedy for the President chair. It’s the circumstances and opportunity that drove and made him the President.

There are several things I like about him:

He is a true patriot - Philippines has suffered from the Spanish colonialism first, and then from American imperialism. I can’t think of any other country which has lost so much of its ethnic & cultural roots in Asia other than Philippines (I mean, do you know that Enrique Iglesias is part Filipino? Or Bobby - the guy who made Snapchat is a half Filipino? - well that’s how diverse they have become). Rodrigo will bring the pride that Filipinos deserve on the world table. Of course he shouldn’t curse or use cuss words against the other world leaders, but that’s his way of saying that he (and Philippines) can’t be bullied. He is a bad-ass - He is accused of extra-judicial killings of drug pushers, drug dealers and even drug addicts. In Hinduism, there is a line called Sama Dana Beda Danda for resolving things. The first three stand for peaceful resolutions through explanation, money or diplomacy. When everything fails you go for Danda which is pure punishment. Universally it is agreed that drugs are an evil. The judiciary system in Asian countries isn’t suave or quick like in US or UK or Europe. Poor people can be tricked into such activities. The west or the Amnesty International would never understand this. If you thought Narcos was amazing, read about Philippine Drug War and there isn’t any DEA agents to finish it for Philippines here. I think in Philippines, drugs issue has gone too far which is why Duterte has become a vigilante. Killing could be bad, but then addiction is worse. What would you prefer? He is really the right wing bad-ass but he is still very secular (imagine that in a full scale Catholic country) and also liberal to an extent. He admitted his vices (he is open about his infidelity), he is very straightforward (not good for a politician) and obviously he has a big bad mouth. All things put aside, if he achieves some economic goals as well added with his independent foreign policy I am sure he would make a second term and a loving president. TL;DR: He is an ultimate right wing bad ass who will put Philippines first rather than anything else. Don’t fall for the western media tropes. They also called Narendra Modi, the muslim butcher and now they are the ones that have called him the rockstar that Madison Square has never seen. Talk about perspectives!

They're missing the key ingredient of due process tho

due process later

Post execution due process.

The Purge

Yep, even to foreigners too.

Nah they just shoot drug dealers/people on the streets by hitman riding a motorcycle!

The dude running that place is openly fascist and brags about personally killing drug users on the street in cold blood.

I wouldnt be surprised if our special boy was to scoot about in a golf cart doing drive-bys on anyone he thinks "looks very, very bad"

One of the major differences from my limited knowledge is that American Opiates usually come from pill mills and are all straight from companies, whereas Phillipine drugs are more street level.

Yeah, remember- he likes that guy.

Does Trump just copy things his idols do? Putin, Duterte, tweets out what fox news said the night before,...

Yep and OP's prediction is exactly what happened. Low level drug dealers and users are dead. Rich and powerful drug lords go unpunished.

Yes

Yep and its worked wonderfully. The actual reports of the citizens are much happier now. Even though the media here states otherwise.

... are you living under a rock

Oh nvm, this is /r/conspiracy

Yes and Trump has express his admiration of Duterte publicly many times.

Yeah but the police do it there and it's awful. Trump sounds like the courts would sentence people to death, which is harsh but it's not giving cops a free pass to kill people.

It worked quite well too!

Yeah, Duterte was a mayor in a town with high crime. He gained popularity by forming roving gangs that would go around and execute alleged drug dealers. My friend from PH told me that it basically turned into a witch hunt, where people could murder and mug anyone, then leave a note on the body claiming they were a drug dealer.

His reputation soared as someone tough on crime. Mostly poor, uneducated people supported him while the educated class saw him as a dictator. It was like the rise of Trump basically.

Once in office he compared he welcome comparisons of his purge to the Holocaust, bragged about killing criminals himself, and made himself judge, jury, and executioner. Police were allowed to execute people on the spot instead of formally charging them. From what I'm told, a lot of the victims were not drug dealers.

Swamp Drainers go after Distributors.

Swamp Dwellers are happy killing their street dealers.

The swamp belongs to the distributors.

Corporate welfare IS modern conservatism.

I love that more people are focusing on the actual root problems we have, such as the pharmaceutical companies and the shill doctors they bribe.

Pharmaceutical companies, the Beer and Liquor industry, police unions, and private prisons all oppose marijuana legalization. That is the main reason why governments have been slow to legalize it. There are too many bought off politicians.

A 2014 study showed a significant decrease in deaths from opiates where marijuana was made legal. Marijuana puts a direct hit in the profits from pharmaceutical companies.

The pharmaceutical lobbies have also opposed DEA enforcement in the US against corrupt doctors and pharmaceutical companies. What we basically have is "legalized heroin" in the US, and slow legalization of marijuana. It's a completely backwards system.

Also see this: Oxycontin Maker Quietly Worked to Weaken Legal Doctrine That Could Lead to Jail Time for Executives

Links on bribery of doctors, and this is not just limited to opiate medications:

• [2007] In Guilty Plea, OxyContin Maker to Pay $600 Million. The company that makes the narcotic painkiller OxyContin and three current and former executives pleaded guilty in federal court to criminal charges that they misled regulators, doctors and patients about the drug’s risk of addiction and its potential to be abused. Company sales officials were allowed to draw their own fake scientific charts which showed a lower addictive potential, which they then distributed to doctors.

• FBI agents arrested former Insys Therapeutics CEO Michael Babich and five other former company executives on Thursday for allegedly bribing doctors to prescribe fentanyl to patients who didn’t need it.

• Pharma Billionaire (founder of Insys Therapeutics) Arrested On Charges of Bribing Doctors to Prescribe Opioid Painkillers

The same goes for anti depressants.

• The pharmaceutical group GlaxoSmithKline has been fined $3bn after admitting to bribing doctors and encouraging the prescription of unsuitable antidepressants to children.

• Prozac for babies? Psychiatric drugs are now being given to infants and toddlers in unprecedented numbers.

ADHD meds.

• More than 10,000 American toddlers 2 or 3 years old are being medicated for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder outside established pediatric guidelines.

How the science on this has been corrupted:

• Scientific American: How Pharma-Funded Research Cherry-Picks Positive Results.

• In 2009, Dr. Marcia Angell of the New England Journal of Medicine wrote: “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

• Richard Horton, editor in chief of The Lancet, recently wrote: “Much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness. As one participant put it, “poor methods get results”.

• "I can't tell you exactly what percentage of the trials are flawed, but I think the problem is far bigger than you imagine, and getting worse...it is so easy to manipulate data, conceal it or fabricate it...there is almost a code of silence not to speak about it." -Whistleblower Dr. Peter Wilmshurst

• "The neuroscientific community needs to challenge the current scientific model driven by dysfunctional research practices tacitly encouraged by the 'publish or perish' doctrine, which is precisely leading to the low reliability and the high discrepancy of results."

• Estimating the reproducibility of psychological science (Ninety-seven percent of original studies had significant results (P < .05). Thirty-six percent of replications had significant results)

Reminder: /r/NoCorporations exists!

This is a very well put together post. Thank you. My only question about the pharma racket is: why dont they just usurp the MJ industry? Its not like money is an issue, and they already have congress in their pocket.

Probably due to the patent Monopoly that they have for other drugs. They wouldn't get that and the consumers have alternatives.

It seems that market has been left to Monsanto, Syngenta, and others. They are working on patenting their own strains. No doubt that when they feel the have enough, the Federal government will act to legalize ONLY those strains.

For “insured safety”, of course. We are in 🤡 🌎 lads.

You just wait until human gmo's go mainstream. We already select for gender and health in utero and pre-conception....the more we know.....the more we can do....and it becomes normalized in time.

My only question about the pharma racket is: why dont they just usurp the MJ industry?

Generally, people give the execs much more credit for being devious than they deserve. In reality it's a bunch of stodgy old white dudes who hate change and find it easier to stifle new things than try to adapt to changing market conditions. Also never underestimate the human capacity for self-serving self-delusion: most of these guys probably sincerely believe that they are providing a valuable service , that society needs them and that weed is the larger evil.

old white dudes who hate change

Look around you...practically everything useful in this modern world was invented by white dudes that were looking for 'change'.

Lmao is there anyone else in the world as hyper-sensitive as an Internet nazi

Your father has a well-stretched sphincter.

And your father raised a kid who spent his friday evening white-knighting geriatric drug dealers

I spent a few minutes, not an 'evening'. Most of that night I was gigging frogs and whacking off.

MJ is still illegal federally.

What if there's a 21st century "Missouri compromise" between those groups, the government, and states, which allows half the state's to legalize, but ensures half will remain criminalized to keep profits up for both pharma and big marijuana?

pray you reside in the good half 😬

We will build a wall and make the bad half pay for it

Can we still import from the bad half?

The bad half can't even afford to transport sewage out of their homes. Gonna be a crap wall.

There is zero evidence that marijuana can replace antidepressants. It’s incredibly dangerous for you to suggest otherwise.

I don't think he suggested that. I think he suggested that pharma companies have been caught bribing doctors to prescribe antidepressants to children outside of established prescribing guidelines. Which is also incredibly dangerous.

There is zero evidence that marijuana can replace antidepressants. It’s incredibly dangerous for you to suggest otherwise.

ADHD, holy fuck, I'm autistic but sadly I was diagnosed with something in the 90s, so they just called it ADD and threw pills at it, luckily my parents took me off of those as they made me borderline catatonic.

No, but they can create their own strains, pressure politicians to only legalize marijuanna after it goes through a $10 Million safety and approval process thereby creating an industry only rich, connected companies can enter. This will happen, mark my words.

It's happening now with Vape products as well.

Research is largely smoke and mirrors these days. They have to publish. They have to pull in those grants.

There's only so much time and creativity a professor or researcher can muster. I blame the expectations of research universities as much as corporate druglord lobbyists.

As someone who lives in a “red” state that allows the liquor lobbyists to have complete power over private business I am completely floored that conservative consumers here embrace the government regulating small businesses.

I smoke weed and I oppose it as well. Government is taxing the shit out of it.

This is the stuff we don't hear about on the news or social media because all these m'fers are in cahoots with each other. Really evil, greedy fucks. If there's a Hell, they already have a table waiting for them.

Great post, bro. I'm going to finish reading this later.

Btw, this needs to have a post of its own. And not on a conspiracy sub.

Yea liberals don't enrich themselves from big pharma not at all.

Kind of a half assed attempt to distract, I suppose I'll put a star next to your name since you at least didn't resort to name calling or personal attacks!

I don't understand the logic behind you treating his perfectly reasonable statement with such aggression but I guess I'm just a weed smoking conservative what do I know. Less government in my life. Somehow on Reddit that gets lumped in with these morons in Washington calling themselves conservatives

Kind of a half assed attempt to distract

Painting it as a problem with conservatives alone is disingenuous.

Your projection is really telling. I'm not going to put much effort into this response because I have no reason to believe you're looking for an honest discussion. Don't worry, you can say whatever false and misleading things to and about me that you want, most likely I won't bother to respond to you.

wtf lmao ok

Let him keep going... we may get some r/IAmVerySmart material

lol right

Lol you're a moron

He's saying it isn't a one sided issue, so projection makes zero sense. We have emails of Democrats taking cues from big pharma from those massive leaks everyone keeps forgetting.

Both left and right politicians are bought and sold by the massive pharma lobby. They're at the top of every donor list.

What's funny is how your comment almost seems cookie-cutter, in that it doesn't address any specifics, and seems to be automatic in nature.

exactly. His reply didn't even make sense.

What a shitty fucking strawman

Let’s suppose that he is arguing in bad faith, trying to distract from the conversation, maybe even a shill...

Even if any and all of these things were true this would still not be a straw man.

The term has become, on Reddit, a catch all term for any logical fallacy.

It’s like typing those words is supposed to be a “win argument” button.

It’s intellectually lazy. It’s like the left leaning version of calling someone a cuck.

This could be tu quoque or whataboutism, for sure.

an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument

A strawman is an attempt to move the goalposts. Don't be calling people 'intellectually lazy' when you're talking out of your crusty crack mate.

Straw man is constructing a false argument (that your opponent wasn’t even make to begin with) to attack instead of attacking their actual position.

“Moving the goalposts” is an entirely different independent logical fallacy though.

Constructing a false argument and moving the goalposts are pretty much exactly the same thing. It's shifting a discussion away from the original topic.

They’re both shifting the discussion, but in totally different ways.

Hence why there are two different terms for them. Ad Hominem is shifting the discussion, but it isn’t strawman either. Almost all logical fallacies can be used to shift the discussion, but they all do it in different ways.

It just seems that in the last year or so a lot of people on Reddit have become familiar with this term and suddenly use it anytime they disagree with anyone.

Ok

is this about sides or about human lives ? thats the problem right there too focused on party faults when its really big guys vs all

Explains why all the corporate donations in the 2016 cycle went to the democrats right?

Corporate welfare IS modern conservatism.

NEO CONSERVATISM

FTFY

As a Free Market Conservative the fact that our companies are getting tax payer funded Welfare is fucking outrageous

Big banks and drug money laundering in the billions is fine. Small time dealers whose money all goes back into the economy not fine.

It's all part persuasion. Imagine you're a drug dealer right now. Would you start rethinking your current occupation? There won't be a death sentence for drug dealing, but they don't know that...

No they wont except for the rich white kids dealing to make friends.

60.000 die from drug overdosis each year. Have you no empathy? You care about white or black dealers?

And you think you are moral? You disgust me.

Wouldn't preach about morals when you want death to all Muslims

What? All muslims are srug dealers? Racist like you should be annihilated from the human gene pool. You insane leftists cane think of nothing but genocide, but your time is over!!!!

You will never again hold power over humanity!!!! You sick freaks!!!! You will not have the army to commit your genocide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the exact level of discourse I picture from the average alt-right Trump supporter.

If you're black you're already aware that the police might kill you, even for nothing at all.

They don't deal drugs for fun.

CNN?

Trump is a fucking idiot shocker

What kind of idiot falls for this? Maybe evangelicals?

The same kind that believed in "hope and change", I suspect.

Actually I think a lot of those types are fairly pro-dealer.

The kind of people who shouldn't be in this sub.

Just legalize it.

I don't think legalization is the way to go. Do you want your wife strung out on pills while she supposed to be taking care of your child and you're at work?

...?

My point is, when it's legal, everyday people will be able to use these drugs.

It opens a big can of worms, dope addicted parents, kids will get the worse part of this deal

This is rediculous, and your example is preposterous. Stop commenting on subjects you have no knowledge in.

everyday people will be able to use these drugs

Dude, its not hard at all to get drugs. It's honestly scary how easily you can get some truly nasty shit.

That's not my point...

Well whats your point?

Read my other replies lol I'm spending too much time on reddit while I should be working. Sorry

If someone is making shitty choices like that, they aren't going to wait till it's legal. They're already making those choices.

Decisions are made on outcomes. If there is a parent and their at the point of life where they have a choice to use a drug or not (let's say times are tough, depression hit etc, etc)

Will they take it. Of course. You weigh your pros and cons.

Good: it feels good, numbs the pain

Bad: meses with my health, addictive, I can get in trouble with the law, loose my kid, lose my job

With legalization. Meh, maybe I'll get addicted, but who cares it'll feel good. It's not like I can get in trouble with the law

Booze, Xanax, gambling, porn, video games... they can all be addictive and are legal and available. By your argument since alcohol is legal all mothers are at home getting drunk all day because it's available and numbing. And the people who will get into stuff like that will do it anyway, the legality of something like heroin hasn't stopped people from using. In fact in most places that have legalized drugs the per capita amount of users goes down not up, and other related crimes go down as well. Your argument is wrong.

I mean everyday people are who are the most affected by addiction... I don't know what would constitute a non everyday person...

Everyday people already use these drugs. There's an opioid epidemic going on right now. If you want to do drugs, them being illegal isn't going to stop you. But if you legalize all drugs, you take the money away from the cartels and the black market and give it back to the taxpayers and communities to fund rehab and education programs to get people off of drugs

The US funds the cartels. That's not gonna happen. Additionally the cartels would remain because they'll sell it cheaper without all the extra taxes

Drugs from cartels and other illegal means, despite not paying taxes, cost more anyways. Dealing is dangerous and no one would do it for a tiny profit.

Well in California weed is still dealed. Dispensaries are trash, they sell top shelf hella expensive and dumbasses with their medical cards are just throwing whatever fertilizer to make profits. I can provide source if you want but over 10% of CA's top shelf stuff was infected with e coli, bacteria, fungus, and banned fertilizers.

The legalization process was sloppy. And there are still drug dealers. Cartels ship em over here in bulk. It still comes out cheaper. Furthermore since this IS a conspiracy sub... here is my conspiracy.

The cartels were funded by the US gov. We know the gov has a past with cartels, look at colombia. Second search up operation fast and furious. Know also that the Zetas are believed to be ran by the Mexican gov. They have military training and the gov only really seems to go after their rival, La Familia.

The US Gove along with the corrupt as Mexican gov, now need a away to clean their money. Guess who is owning all these the dispensaries? I believe it is the cartels. Last year several were busted in California for selling other illegal substances.

You're saying the cartels will be disbanded because they won't have profit and it's too dangerous to be a dealer for a tiny profits. First profits are not tiny. I know dealers that carry 5 inch rolls of 100s. Now look at the cartels and their luxurious lifestyle. Second why wouldn't they in response just fire back by turning their business into a legal one. Lastly what's more dangerous than a dealer that can easily snitch himself out of jail, being in competitor with the cartel is. You think they wouldn't infiltrate these business and own them?

Lastly the US is killing two bird with one stone. Using weed is still a schedule 1 substance. You can't own firearms with drug usage. And having a state issued medical card to your name is a big indicator.

My wife got prescribed opioids after both our kids. She regulated her use and didn’t get hooked but that is how this addiction starts.

Legitimate doctors prescribe ‘everyday people’ drugs, ‘everyday people’ get hooked, then they do whatever necessary to feed that addiction. With drugs being illegal they turn to illegitimate sources which lead to severe complications and consequences. If they were legal any conversation about addiction would be easier to have and would not be buried under shame and fear of legal prosecution.

As it stands now your wife could still get drunk out of her mind as soon as you leave the house.

p.s. I’m not going to touch the fact that you seem to think your wife is incapable of caring for her children without the law preventing her from becoming strung out.

Delete your account and don't ever discuss any serious issue again you actual fucking retard.

Lmao, what the fuck. Chill out. Are you 12

Would you rather her be a fucking liberal?

Um, she'd be smoking weed, not popping opiates.

Saya who? Trump is talking about opiods not marijuana. I have nothing against weed, lol

Weed is helping millions of people to get off opiates, that's why big pharma is against legalization..

I know that, thing is OP comment said legalize it. Legalize what? OP is a post about opiods. That's why I said I don't think legalization of opiods is the way to go

I've lost around 10 people in my life to heroin, and I disagree with you, the criminalization and incarceration aspects of the "rehabilitation" makes it impossible to get out of the hole.

Even if you do, you are now an ex-con and have a lot of things working against you in terms of being able to put your life back together.

I'm not for criminalization, execution or incarceration for drug use either. I simply just don't believe it should be straight up legal.

it would be short term, I know I'm being morbid, but that problem would kill itself.

If you look at countries like Denmark, who doesn't have a legal drinking age and no problems, or the Dutch, who barely have natives doing drugs.

What's happening here is only because it's profitable to corps/ and certain black fund raising agencies that shall not be named.

I guess that's where we disagree. Lol ha it's kinda morbid, might work, might not. But users get others into the habit. Think of the stories, "yeah when I was 12, 13, 14 my dad gave me my first beer" It's a stupid fallacy I know but when things are legal people tend to be more open on the idea and don't second guess themselves on certain decisions.

Legalization is not the same as decriminalization.

I'm all for decriminalizing all drugs, but there is no real benefit to selling oxycontin over the counter.

Super dumb. Smoke weed.

Alcohol is legal...does that mean everyone is a drunk?

No, I never said everyone would be strung out. Point is I can legally be at a party with family over and drink. Now does that mean when it's my kids b day party I can have family over with all their little kids and be shooting up heroin... since you're making the comparison to alcohol. My point is with legalization what can anybody do to me if I were to do that. Heck if my dad or brother is like dude don't do this front of the kids, I can kick em out of my house and just get wasted in front of my children and shit.

I can have family over with all their little kids and be shooting up heroin...

do you not have rules in your house? you can tell people who come over to fuck off if they don't agree to your rules. you don't want little timmy shooting up in your bathroom, tell them that shit's not allowed. if they do it anyway, kick them to the curb. freedom of association is totally a thing.

Exactly my point in reverse. I said I can shoot up in front of my kids.

You can legally get so drunk that you shit yourself right now, but you don't because you care about yourself. If herion was legal and even free I wouldn't do it because I know it'd fuck me up. If I tried it and it started messing up my life I'd go to the doctor to get help without being afraid of them telling the cops.

This is more likely if drugs remain illegal. How the fuck do people not see this? Legalization leads to de-stigmatizing users, making it more likely for them to seek out treatment and education. It also leads to treatment and educational programs becoming better equipped and more widespread. Same goes for research programs. This will lower rates of addiction, increase exposure to facts instead of propaganda, and DRASTICALLY reduce injuries/death related to drug use.

The current policies are killing people, ripping families apart and proliferating crime. There doesn't need to be a "war" related to drugs. That's a made up term to excuse and distract from government and corporate greed and corruption.

I'm not calling for war. But dude you know how alcohol is. It doesn't really carry a negative stigma. Yet alcoholics refuse to admit they have a problem and fail to attend AA meetings even when court ordered.

I'd guess that most alcoholics who refuse to admit they have a problem do it because of the stigma that goes along with having a problem. It's less that it's specifically related to alcohol and more about the cultural stigma toward addicts. I think that actually supports the point I'm making, but I should have mentioned that I think legalization de-stigmatizes both casual users and addicts.

Anyone who wants opiates can already get them now. Legalizing it would allow for quality control measures to be implemented, eliminating adulterants like fentanyl.

She can already do that , it's called a prescription

She can but not legally. Prescription drug abuse is illegal, as it should remain

Scenario 1: I'm strung out on 5 pills of Xanax honey, but it's ok, a doctor gave it to me!

Scenario 2: I'm strung out on 5 pills of Xanax honey

The end result is the same, meaning you need to rethink your argument. Also, you must never have heard of dirty doctors lol. Do some research, the countries that have legalized heroin have reduced the addiction rates/deaths related to heroin, which is contradictory to your argument.

Check out this example of Holland who gives out Heroin for free to addicts, and they have FAR less addicts per person than America

Addiction happens to people in a bad place. Normal everyday people don’t become addicted. People with mental health issues do. that’s the issue.

that won't happen. slave labor is too valuable.

Drug dealers eventually execute each other....I grew up around that ish

Not even very eventually, it happens pretty quick.

The only reason people get into heroin in the first place is that it's cheaper than prescription opioids. This wouldn't fix anything

Trump pushed illegal immigration down by simply saying he was going to be stricter on it. Its down to lowest rate in 17 years.

Just saying this will have an effect on mexican smugglers. And if he actually executed one person that shit would go wayyyy down.

True but it'd be easier to stop the addiction before it starts, and eventually people will realize nothing he says happens and it's empty threats.

Over two years of it and people are none the wiser. Plus the first part of the wall is already being built.

Does Trump have a speech writer, or does he just sling from the hip?

Yes, but also yes

Don't worry this will never happen. It's hard enough executing muliple heinous murderers.

execute the pharma executives

....AND the low level offenders....

nope...

Found the criminal

You do understand the drugs are legal and have a very specific purpose to help people in incredible pain? I have a family member with too many aliments to list and she needs these meds to get by.

Great, and I want her to pay less for less dangerous medication, not line the pockets of these executives.

Blame the government and patents for the rise in pharmaceutical drug prices. They create an unnatural monopoly, so the drug companies can essentially put the price at whatever.

How about we recognize it's one integrated system of corruption and blame them both!

i do understand this, and have administered morphine numerous times for this purpose. at some point however, we must hold the true pushers accountable.

Heroin and Methamphetamine have simple POSSESSION as a first offense Claas i felony, with probable jail time and at least a 1yr probation. Distribution, probably has aggravating and mitigating factors (gun posession=aggravating, feeding own addiction=mitigating) is most likely a G felony. It will probably get you a prison sentence either way. Trafficking is probably a C felony and will come with a lengthy prison sentence and kissing life goodbye.

I could have looked up sources but they vary by state law. All, and especially "Conspiracy" charges are often trumped up to garner a plea bargain. Especially because it's written into the law that a single party can engage in a unilateral conspiracy, which is simply "intent."

*Possible future MH and drug advocacy lawyer.

So legal good and illegal bad?

I sure hope you don’t speed.

How about we start murdering murderers first!

This is a good example of moving the Overton window. Trump says something completely fucking outrageous and people get used to it. Then he'll back pedal to something awful and people will think it isn't so bad.

Came here to say, he's "Art of the Deal"ing everyone and people keep falling for it.

No, he's not. This isn't some super tricky strategy.

when will people just finally admit that trump is actually super fucking smart. he turned a million into BILLIONS. Destroyed 17 politicians and won in a LANDSLIDE.

and yet people still claim he has dementia and is retarded. Trump derangement syndrome at it's best. Keep underestimating him and he will have free reign.

He is not super fucking smart. The election was also not a landslide lmao.

if he's borderline retarded then you must have an iq of 0. he's much smarter and more successful then you'll eVER be.

ahhh trump derangement syndrome, it's sad but funny at the same time, you should get some medical help.

So, not gonna address the fact that your proof is wrong lol.

"“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”

Truly, the speech of a genius. You're delusional.

"dieing"

The proof of his mental deficiencies is endless.

Why don't you go make billions and become president? I mean if a retard can do it, YOU should be able to right?

what do you do for a living besides whine about YOUR PRESIDENT!

Sure, give me 14 million dollars and mob connections I'll turn it into more. There is no proof he's worth billions, besides what he claims.

Did you even read that quote? That's the speech pattern of a genius? LOL

way to avoid the question, how much money do you have? if its so easy to make more, why don't you turn 1k into 100k? then that 100k into millions? you are a jealous hater, that's it. This is coming from a person who didn't even vote. I just LOVE watching all you triglets cry about it. it's so fucking funny

Triglet?? What is a triglet? He didn't turn 1k into 100k, he took 14 million dollars from his dad, and turned it into an unknown sum. Because he won't disclose how much he is worth. Suspicious, huh?

I'm not jealous of a overweight, retarded, twice divorced rapist. My life is far more rewarding and fun than his.

Every retort from these dotards is either

No you!

What about her emails!

Well how much money do you have?

Mix and match until the other arguing party gets bored and leave. Not that nowhere do you actually try to articulate Trump's policies because that position is indefensible.

Seriously. It’s almost as if it’s in a playbook

The best part is u/KufolV is an incel as well

We'll be seeing soon how much he actually has, but I highly, H I G H L Y doubt he has more than one billion.

and how much money do you have? what're you credentials to call a rich tv star who managed to become US president winning a huge majority of the states stupid?

Why is your type so psycho? Why can't you just admit you're wrong?

I never called him stupid.

What is my type?

Why am I wrong?

i have a bunch of butt hurt hillary fans messaging me. I must've responded to the wrong person

She's the one that wanted to take away due process for guns right? Take em and figure it out later?

if you believe he's serious then you're delusional. Have you ever read art of the deal?

Losing by 3 million votes is a landslide now?

he won by 100 points. that's such a stupid argument. of course the two most liberal states are going to vote for shit ass hillary. Would be pretty stupid to let two of the 50 states decide the election.

it's funny how much you'll defend hillary. SHE LOST BADLY. trump is your president. quit ruining this sub and go back to your echo chamber in r/reeeeeeedacted

Please continue to ignore the fact that Trump has been compromised by the Russians and that his campaign was littered with illegal support from foreign entities. Please keep your head in the sand because when Trump is frogwalked out of the white house in handcuffs it will be oh so sweet to watch r/the_drumpf try to spin that into some N+1-dimensional chess move by the Cheeto in Chief.

Also I'm down voting your post history rrrreeeeeeee fuck you

You're trying really hard to try to insult me, and it's not working. You must be really really really mad to type that all out.

You seem to be getting worked up. Maybe you're having another episode? Better run back to the crack pipe.

This dudes life lol

I don't smoke crack anymore, i'm back to my DOC opiates. How am I "worked up"? All i did was respond to what you said, did you not want me to reply? I suppose you didn't think I would, like i should be embarrassed or something haha

Not sure what I wanted... I do get worked up over Trump stuff so to me you're not really a person you're just the enemy, and if you're not a real person I don't have to consider your position. So I was just trying to poke holes in you I suppose, didn't work this time. I think that's enough Reddit for me.

not every trump supporter is your enemy man. this is what russia wants, they've divided us the point where each side is literally hating each other. I know people on both sides of the spectrum that're good people. I also know people who stopped talking to each other, people who've broken up over who they voted for.

lol “landslide.” This guy watches too much infowars

he won by like 100 points. it wasn't even close. Delusional

Do you even know what the electoral college is? Your insistence that this was a landslide makes it sound like the red dye from your MAGA hat seeped into your brain. You do realize you don't have to sound as stupid as Trump does to be a Trump supporter right?

keep hating man, i'm laughing my ass of right now. you don't have a clue on what you're talking about. salty bernie bro

Nice retort

By 77. You’re off by quite a bit. Maybe you should up your dosage of Brain Force Plus. Alex Jones is having a 30% off sale on it right now. Get it while it lasts.

If Trump had simply invested in index funds, he'd have over $10 billion more than he has now.

how much money do you have? at least 20 billion i suspect since you're smarter than trump

TIL Euclid, Euler and Einstein were fucking retards.

at least with money yeah

What kind of moral character does someone have in order to think that money is the most important thing?

What kind of morals allow you to judge the priorities of others?

won in a LANDSLIDE.

This is why no one takes Trump supporters seriously, except other Trump supporters. He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, but happened to carry the swing States with help from Russia.

Be gone, your propaganda is no good here, comrade.

when you are given a 2% chance to win and you win by 100 points. that's a landslide IMO. a HUGE upset.

stay salty

Oh, I see how you operate...when you're wrong, you simply redefine words to mean something else entirely until the cognitive dissonance is repaired.

Impressive mental gymnastics, sir, well done!

This is the most autistic thing I’ve ever seen.

I'll answer for the dude you are answering:

How much money do you have? If not more than Trump, you don't get a say.

( /s just to be sure )

I'm a bigly billionaire, of course! The value of the 2_blave brand may vary according to my mood, but trust me, I'm very wealthy and yugely successful.

Just don't look too closely into my finances, ok? I'll release my tax returns after this audit is over.

Your words read like honey in tea. I believe you!

Found the Russian operative

yep, when you have nothing to say claim i'm a russian. glad you admitted defeat

He inhertided billions and lost billions.

Hello 3 month old Russian robot.

Do you have any good borscht recipes?

Man, you are a special kind of mutant. A Trump supporting incel. So insecure about what other women are attracted to. So in love with idiot president that no matter how much shit he slams down your throat, so say "more please". The ONLY positive comments you have are from r/the_shithole. Not even you limp dicked incel buddies like you. And c'mon man, witg comments like "St. Elliot will be missed", it's no wonder nobody on here, or in your life cares if you didn't exist

I love the incel forums, so you can try shame me all you want i really don't care.

Hey if you want. lets head over to one of the rate me subs if you want to actually challenge me. I guarantee i'm much better looking than you with a better body. I just hate women, I also have a bigger dick than you and I'll prove it. But i know you won't take me up on that offer.

St elliot will be missed, its a meme you moron. kind of like hitler did nothing wrong(he didn't).

ooh boohoo nobody on reddit likes me wahhhhh

so you want to have a sub reddit see whos better looking with face and body? we can compare boners in private but i really doubt yours is bigger than mine, shit if it is bigger than mine i feel sorry for the women you have sex with LOL

This is just amazing! Your comment should go down in some archive of comedy.

Also: Ok. You first.

He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes, won the electoral college with the help of russian hackers removing the registration of key voters, and there is zero evidence that he is worth billions of dollars- there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he's massively in debt. He only owns a few floors of Trump Tower, and his business at this point is almost exclusively putting his name on other people's property.

Trump was injected with massive amounts of cash from his father. His "small loan of a million dollars" line is a lie. His father showed up at one of his casinos, bought a few million dollars in chips, and left - that's at best a loan and at worst a gift.

All he has going for him is that he's so outrageously stupid that he appeals to the Republican party, a product of decades of Fox News dumbing down the population into thinking that science is political and truth is something you can decide on your own.

Then what does that say of the people who keep falling for it

When have people fallen for it?

When have people fallen for it?

When was the date of the last presidential election?

That was art of the deal?

trump has actively used the same strategy that he laid out years ago in the art of the deal. you may not like his strategy, but that doesnt mean its not there

I think you guys are looking for strategy when there is none. He misspoke, like he does all the time. If it's such a good strategy, why can the internet "see" it immediately, and people fall for it?

im guessing you havent read art of the deal

Tell me where in the book it says you're supposed to throw out a terrible idea, and then offer something less. That's not art of the deal. That's basic negotiating, literally everyone does that when negotiating.

"The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion."

No one is calling this big, great, or spectacular. In fact, every time he has used those words, he has fallen short. No Obamacare? New healthcare plan? The wall?

Again, this is not a unique strategy. At all.

But you now admit there is a clear strategy at play? i think the people in the midwest who have lost multiple loved ones to heroin see this different. Now, like the comment above, the overton window has shifted. now dems are suddenly arguing for prison sentences being okay for drug dealers. No ones sayin its rocket science,which is why its so appalling the media and half of america keep falling for it

No, there is no clear strategy. You are going off of conjecture and "I thinks." Dem's are not arguing for prison sentences now. You are making these fantasy scenarios up in a hope that's how it will turn out.

okay lol

Exactly. Come back when any of that comes true. So far it’s a bad track record of negotiations in this White House.

he listened to fox news and talk radio and then promised them everything without a thought about how to do it. he convinced the dumb people. that was enough.

This sounds like someone who hasn't actually read his book. I highly recommend WaPo's breakdown of Trump's book and how that played into his campaign

Example direct quote from Art of the Deal about giving the press controversy:

"One thing I’ve learned about the press is that they’re always hungry for a good story, and the more sensational the better. It’s in the nature of the job, and I understand that. The point is that if you are a little different, or a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you. I’ve always done things a little differently, I don’t mind controversy, and my deals tend to be somewhat ambitious. Also, I achieved a lot when I was very young, and I chose to live in a certain style. The result is that the press has always wanted to write about me."

One of many.

You should read about the co-authors opinion on this. Pretty eye opening.

LOL if you've read any of Trump's subsequent books written 100% by him you'd know the co-author is full of shit. The co-author is not a businessman or a deal maker, he is a shadow writer that helps non-writers write. Has he ever written another book about "deal making?" Has the co-author ever published another business book under his own name that got any credibility? Or, is he what many writers do, but help others with ideas put them on to paper in a readable way.

These thoughts and ideas are all 100% Donald Trump and 100% the ideas of a real-estate tycoon.

The "Fake news" of it all is the story that somehow Trump didn't write this, but this other guy did and Trump just put his name to that. A story that only works for those who haven't actually read the book because so much of it is personal and 100% about real-world examples from Trump's business life that it literally makes ZERO sense that another author had some serious input other than being an editor to smooth it out to the reader.

The voice in the words is Trumps and in every subsequent book of his that he did not have a supporting writer, it is like an extension of The Art of the Deal. The same voice is still there. The same writing style. The same knowledge and experience.

Maybe the "co-author" just wanted his 2 minutes of fame this election cycle again.

Or, maybe the co-author did his job, and is telling the truth. You are believing the words of a man who both sides widely acknowledge as a hyperbolic speaker and liar.

Provide evidence. Trump's subsequent books show "co-author" not be very honest.

Not be very honest how?

Moving the goal posts here. We are talking about his book. Very specific example. This is deflection...

No it's not. That's directly related when you are trying to prove the veracity of a claim.

If you've read any of Trump's subsequent books written 100% by him you'd know the co-author is full of shit.

And how do you know that Trump's not just Art of the Deal'ing you?

Come on. Trump hasn't even read Trump's book.

Just because he says that the press likes controversy doesn't mean he has a strategy for all the stuff he blurts out. This is the same guy who reportedly started a trade war because he was in a bad mood. Yes, Trump likes to pander to the media, but he also flips his views on something, whether it's gun control or DACA, at the drop of a hat, too.

Rofl, if you believed he started a trade watt because he was in a bad mood, you might be believing in tabloid journalism.

Trump is an emotionally-ruled man, so of course I believe it. And this is the same man who uses Fox & Friends for his presidential policy advice, meaning that he literally uses tabloid decisions for running America.

"If it's such a good strategy, why can the internet "see" it immediately, and people fall for it?"

Because they're keeping their head down in order to maintain a semblance of ignorance while the people on the internet have gone to the internet explicitly to inform themselves?

For example, I cannot remember the name, but one tactic you can do is frame the conversation in your favor. Trump proposed his border wall, but also said he was going to make Mexico pay for it. This caused a lot of conversation to be about whether or not Mexico will pay for it. Had he not mentioned Mexico paying for it, the discussion would have been more tightly centered on whether we should have a wall or not.

He still isn't probably getting a wall, but guaranteed when you frame a discussion like that, it plays to your favor. Whether he did it intentionally or not doesn't really matter. I suspect he didn't and he is just a natural grifter.

Trump is an idiot, but he’s pretty damn good at it.

Interesting Trump Analysis

You keep saying "art of the deal" as a verb, but you don't mention any techniques or give any examples. This is just a roundabout way of saying "4D chess" unironically.

You mean the one that was rigged in his favor by the Russians?

Exactly..there's a real conspiracy

Too mainstream for the conspiracy hipsters in this sub.

Ho hum the Russians won we gave her our best shot.

Jesus Christ. Russians certainly were trolling us in the last election, but the reason that dude won was the full on Make America Great campaign. He sold his shit to the people who vote and won. Those people don't care about what is happening now, they voted on someone who could take them back in time (supposedly by his campaign message). He got that voting group super pumped. Just like Obama got the young pumped back in his first election. I think the Russians added to the idea, but I think most of the Trumpers were behind him from his message, not the false shit for Hillary from Russia. If anything, that stuff caused her voters to stay home and not vote. Sorry as I can't stand the guy but I just think people don't get how much his message resonated in the core voters of this nation. People ate his message up and passed it around. Drain the swamp, end government corruption, lower taxes, bring jobs back to the US. Fuck, that is what ALL people want and he spoke to them.

You never heard of divide and conquer? How many Bernbots said they’d vote for him or Jill Stein so basically him?

There was no cohesive opposition and that’s how meddling wins.

Yeah, the one that an outside force was able to rig without great effort.

The Russians also rigged the main stream media to do nothing but talk about him too right?

You mean the Russians that convinced stupid Americans to go out and involve themselves in Russian backed and planned protests?

As much as the Russians did, at the end of the day it was the lowest common denominator Americans, trump supporters, that made the troll farm successful.

Without the ignorance and stupidity none of this would have been possible.

100%. Our best defense against this kind of warfare is to invest more into education. A more intelligent populace would be less inclined to fall for the kind of bullshit that Russia is spewing. Not only that, but it would help in all kinds of other ways too, cause it’s not just the Russians we have to be wary of. The mainstream media with all their sensational 24/7 bullshit, politicians that are all full of shit, and corporations who spew their own brand of bullshit in political TV ads. If we had smarter people, we’d have a smarter, more efficient, better government that works for the people.

Oh that's the narrative now - anything to not mention Israel.

Thank you mother russia!

Republican voters.

It's just a natural phenomenon that happens with shitty people throughout life. Did you ever go to high school? The trouble kid gets praise everytime he's acts tolerable and the A student gets in trouble the first time he barely acts out.

They were always fascists here, and we've been ignoring the fact that fascism has been given its own separate, unaccountable media to push their agenda for 20 years while labeling it just "republicanism."

Yes, he is. This is a super tricky strategy.

Assertions are easy!

This is not art of the deal.

What important differences are you highlighting here?

Art of the New Deal

The art of the gilded age deal

TIL slyburgaler is well informed about the full wealth of strategies being employed by the wide range of the federal government

What are you even trying to say with this sentence? This move isn't a tricky art of the deal move by Trump.

Why are you so fervent in pushing that someone who has been known his entire life for manipulative negotiations has miraculously and suddenly stopped doing so?

Because I don't think he is being a manipulative negotiator. He's saying something stupid and off the cuff, which he's done a lot more than negotiating anything successfully while president.

So you think that Trump is President in order to successfully negotiate policy instead of just filling his pockets and making his rich friends like him?

Huh.

No, you have that backwards. I think he's president because he's a con man. You might be responding to the wrong person.

instead of just filling his pockets and making his rich friends like him?

...would be explicitly what a con man intends to accomplish. I think you're been contrarian without realizing that you're just obfuscating everyone agreeing.

I don't think so. People are assuming he is a strategy genius here. I think you're confused.

I think people are over-thinking the problem, yes, we agree on that. He's not a strategy genius, but he is clearly using the same [simple] strategy he has used since he was young [also what 'The Art of the Deal' is summarized as]

-Lie to people and tell them what they want to hear until you get what you want from them, then do whatever you want and blame someone else for the lack of follow through. Being the son of a mega wealthy person doesn't hurt your ability to routinely get away with this.

Trump has no friends.

It isn't a tricky strategy at all. The country is just retarded.

everyone? LOL

Well even though a lot of us can see through the bullshit, we are still dealing with the consequences.

"This dude's a fascist.

• Most of the world, 2016

He's more of a protofascist. Not there yet. Possibly on the way. Definitely favors authoritarianism.

When will people learn that fascism doesn’t equal authoritarianism lol

He hasn't actually done anything 'fascist'.

He called for the execution of drug dealers. That's fascism.

That's 'getting shit done'.

Or, you know, people can call him out for his idiotic proposals, and then also call him out for his slightly less idiotic proposals.

Honestly, I think you give him far too much credit.

Someone on his team had enough wherewithal to get him into power, with all his fuckery, perhaps because of all his fuckery. Some of that was probably him; some of it was his "business associates."

Trump didmt write a i single line in that book

The guy that wrote that book says Trump is a sociopath.

Yep, this. This will all just lead to a wave of incarceration for long sentences and huge profits for private prisons.

It's just another form of the shit they did in the 80's.

Thus, keeping the money moving...

Were creating our own self sustaining economy!

I like the similar term "creeping normality" that is linked at the bottom of the wiki for Overton Window.

Also known as HyperNormalisation

I wonder what the fuck can we do to dial this back? Or is this just the new reality.

o_O

^ This guy gets it.

"Trump wants to kill all drug dealers"

"That's horrifying!"

"Trump says he didn't want to kill drug dealers"

"Ok, that's not that bad..."

"Trump only wants to kill some drug dealers who are bad"

"Ok, that's pretty reasonable"

few days later:

"Trump wants to abolish all newspapers"

"That's not so bad... Remember when he wanted to kill all drug dealers? That didn't happen"

It's almost as if Trump presidency plays right into the divide and conquer strategy of TPTB...

Next the Jews won’t be allowed to sit on the same bench as everyone else...

That's exactly what the Art of the Deal is.

It might take away supply but not demand. And there is some individual responsibility. The opioid 'crisis' isn't just about lawsuits or pinning blame. It is the responsibility of the patient to not abuse the drugs. It is the responsibility of the medical industry to prescribe sensibly and it's up to the individual citizen to obey the law, it's one thing to illegally do business in the drug trade but is another to kill, steal, rob, smuggle etc for profit or product.

Wow.....an intelligent response. Heaven forbid someone in this country takes personal responsibility for their actions. Blaming the pharmaceutical companies is such a cop out!!! It’s America....if you have a product that works, you market it and sell it. Did you know that morphine used to be sold on the shelves of pharmacies, right in the open, in the 40s and 50s? It all comes down to societies ills, just like the gun debate. There is an addiction crisis in America, but there are also Veterans, disabled people, and pain patients that need these medications to have a dignified life, a quality life that are getting spat upon in this debate to the point of suicide. The illegal drugs definitely need to go. This administration is the first to stand up and tackle these issues with transparency, but if pain patients get swallowed in the process, how sadistic is that?

This post doesn't fit anywhere but here. Part of my problem was I was taking pain relief meds, so I was taking enough to relieve pain. I.e. way too much.

I recently heard it called pain management, as it's to help reduce the overall pain. As opposed to seeking total relief.

People who haven't lived in chronic pain would have a hard time understanding. Sorry you've had to go through this and I hope things are improving for you.

All it really takes is a good person looking for help and a bad doctor to over prescribe. Finally this person can sleep, have reduced pain. Before too long a physical dependence develops. These medicines are very addictive.

As usual these issues aren't black and white but somewhere in the middle.

Great, sensible, post here 👍🏻

Okay well, individual responsibility has completely failed. What now?

One reason that individual responsibility isn't having a great effect is that people keep trying to scapegoat their problem with big pharma for which there is some guilt. But it is the individual's responsibility to get rid of and/or control their addiction regardless of who had a hand in it. Friends and family do it to not helping or motivating the addict towards sobriety, recovery, rehab etc every time they 'blame' big pharma which is a variation of the 'not me' syndrome or denial.

In the end the addicted individual has to deal with it. They can be forgiven or rehabilitated but they are responsible for obtaining that.

So you have no solutions to any problems except telling addicts to "cut it out"

Actually work hard on 'cutting it out' giving it priority and effort 24/7 rather than waiting for one magic solution or the ideal time and/or perfect conditions to start one's own sobriety.

You're thinking on an individual level. We're thinking an entire society.

By using or looking to 'society' for a solution to a personal problem at it's core will fester laziness while 'waiting' for said solution from society. Motivation has to come from with in. If criminal penalties can't motivate people not to do something there are personal issues right off the bat.

Once more, you are talking on a person to person basis

Issues have to be looked at on a societal level. If suddenly the unemployment goes up by 10% in a population in a year, while the national average stays the same, you have to look at the reasons why. It isn't like people suddenly got lazy in that year. That doesn't happen in broad populations like that. Similarly if the death rate from drugs spirals to 400% what it was 10 years ago, you have to look into the reasons. People aren't just suddenly more genetically prone to addiction than 10 years ago.

There are more and/or different ways to get 'addicted' but did society steer people into addiction not really. Are those ways really that more tempting than a bottle of alcohol in the 1800s?

The biggest thing with society is technology has helped fester the premise of instant gratification so if people feel so much as uncomfortable, not in pain they look to one thing to alleviate that sensation right away. By the same token what took physical time like going to visit a doctor, counselor etc for advice can also be done much faster with technology.

Unemployment might be society's problem but how people react to it is the individual's problem.

The main plan of action for many is seemingly to hope everyone wakes up tomorrow and decides to be responsible. Seems unrealistic to me and we should probably have some kind of system in place that accounts for irresponsibility without encouraging it.

Or we can get mad and wait for the bad people to decide to be better. /s

" It is the responsibility of the patient to not abuse the drugs."

If there is one thing I've learned, its that personal responsibility means nothing in national policy. Just assume EVERYONE is influenced by outside factors, and that is it.

Personal responsibility works on an individual basis, not on a broad societal basis. Its not like societal suddenly gets less responsible in the span of a few years. Outside influences change our limits to what our responsibility require of us.

People do come less responsible in less than a few years. There is peer pressure if one desires to be part of a particular peer group. A good example would be these freshman college students/frat pledges killing themselves by alcohol poisoning trying to be part of a group they want and/or chose to belong. Even though they are facilitated by older frat members the pledges also know those same members are committing a crime by giving alcohol to minors and making them do many things that would be a crime if sober in public. Along with most knowing the effects of extreme drinking.

And if the rate of teenage drinking deaths spiked by 400% in 10 years, would you not do something? Or just blame it on 'teens are less responsible than they were 10 years ago!'. You wouldn't be at least a tiny bit suspicious as to why something like that has happened?

If that was the case, it might be because stores started selling liquor to minors more, or maybe a black market for alcohol has opened up. You cannot rely on people to become more responsible in broad populations. Broadly, people are stupid and prone to making terrible decisions. That's why we have laws. You can for an individual, but it just doesn't work like that for broad populations.

There are laws and people are breaking them, that is a problem. That's why the individual must be prepared to deal with criminal behavior wether it's a thief stealing from them or their friends offering/getting them illegal product.

If Trump truly wanted to end the opiod epidemic, he would go after the manufacturers. It is not too difficult to curb this opioid epidemic. You simply ban all opioids and actually enforce the ban. Initially there would be a panic among addicts, most of them would switch to heroin or something like that, and eventually they would end up using one of the substitutes, be it methadone or buprenorphine or whatever it may be. But with no opioids around for new addicts to get hooked on, there would be no new users. So the Jews don't want that. They want this illegal trade to continue. They want doctors to overperscribe oxycodone, so that people can get hooked and then live as slaves to pharmaceutical companies for the rest of their lives.

I like how you couldn't hold your crazy person anti-Semetism in for more than five imnutes, even when talking about an unrelated topic.

If Trump truly wanted to end the opiod epidemic

make weed legal, problem solved. no more opiod crisis but that would hurt big pharma so nah

I was with ya man.....but ya Nixon’d right there man....ya Nixon’d

Check what happens when they do this in crappy third world countries - not only drug dealers get killed. Anyone who crosses a scumbag police officer - pisses them off, they owe money to, took a girl from them - also gets shot too

Like the Dave Chappelle joke goes - just sprinkle a bit of crack on them

Strangely enough, the political opponents of whoever's in power always end up being drug dealers 🤔

This is why making felons unable to vote is such a fucking bad idea that I'm unsure how anyone here could support it. It gives people in power an incentive to make actions that the other party are likely to do a felony.

Not to mention what actually constitutes a felony. In my state, fishing in the wrong body of water or with the wrong type of hook is a felony. I have a friend who is now a felon because he literally fished from the wrong side of a bridge.

Poaching laws can be really strange.

Life was easier when we just sent poachers to the Night’s Watch.

The way we handle terrorists is more questionable than our handling of felons.

"We don't need to follow any due process, honor any of your rights, or adhere to the Constitution at all as long as we call you a terrorist. Don't worry, though, we're subject to oversight from secret courts that offer 0 transparency to the public and don't seem to answer to any elected officials!"

Indiana?

Washington

That's not true.

Im not calling bullshit, but couldn't the guy have talked to the prosecutor to get him to try to drop it? A lawyer could for sure but for a bullshit charge like that I don't see why a prosecutor wouldn't just drop it to a lower charge as long as the guy had a decent record and wasn't a sketch ball.

My understanding is he took a plea bargain to avoid jail time

Your buddy is a felon for reasons he is not willing to share with you, not for fishing off the wrong side of a bridge

Knowing him, likely...

What’s the reasoning for not letting felons vote?

There really isn't any, other than that felons are (obviously) a much-hated group that no one wants to be seen defending.

Literally Nixon's drug policy.

In Maine and Vermont, felons never lose their right to vote, even while they are incarcerated.

In 14 states and the District of Columbia, felons lose their voting rights only while incarcerated, and receive automatic restoration upon release.

In 22 states, felons lose their voting rights during incarceration, and for a period of time after, typically while on parole and/or probation. Voting rights are automatically restored after this time period. Former felons may also have to pay any outstanding fines, fees or restitution before their rights are restored as well.

In 12 states felons lose their voting rights indefinitely for some crimes, or require a governor’s pardon in order for voting rights to be restored, or face an additional waiting period after completion of sentence (including parole and probation) before voting rights can be restored. These states are listed in the fourth category on Table 1. Details on these states are found in Table 2 below.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

Like the CIA? 🤔

I would be on drugs every single day of my life if I was a politician.

I assume you're including the US in "third world".

Is that Chappelle? I think of South Park.

That's a great shit

And in the Philippines, they execute street children too

So just like the US now where 4000 innocent people are murdered per year by the police.

Not even just 3rd world countries. As a young dumb guy walking around Tijuana at night, the "police" have shaken me down for cash before, just screaming and taking out zip ties, until you take out a $20 bill american. Of course the other way it works is a great reason to go to Tijuana. Like when you get followed by some really sketchy dudes, and you pay a bouncer $20 to hang out with you at the bar and he becomes your best friend for the weekend and follows you around the bars all night and making sure you get great service, offering to get you drugs, etc.

LOL. Nervous pharma CEO's on every corner!!!

Donald Trump is such a douche bag. Its like we elected a tiny handed baby oompa loompa, his toupé looks like shit too.

I have concerns about this too, but the dealers in question are not competition, they are the bottom of the supply chain.

"Do not fall for this shit"? As if anyone with half a brain would think that this is a good idea?

Is this post supposed to be a parody? Satire maybe? Who the hell would get behind this idea? This sub has gone from mild garbage to complete fucking turd.

You'd be surprised by the amount of people that would be on his side.

Trump said it and now his shitlings are repeating it as well. And it has been a very common sentiment in strictly conservative circles for a while.

The Philippines are one great example of people getting behind such an idea.

Yeah, good point. Makes me wonder how much money they gain from the drug dealing. The CIA has been on the business for a long time.

His comments were hypothetical... Jesus. He’s not wrong that if dealers are found to aid in murders that they should it for it.

So if I buy a gun from a gun store should the owner be charged when I shoot someone as well? Drugs are a personal choice and if they were legal, criminals wouldn’t be getting rich off them (and the cia cough cough)

Imagine never having to take responsibility for the stupid shit you say because there's thousands of 'yes men' out there willing to jump up and down screaming "HE DIDNT ACTUALLY MEAN THAT!! THIS IS WHAT HE REALLY MEANT:____"

Regardless, whether he was being hyperbolic or hypothetical or of he was just "trolling the cucks" or whatever it is this week you want to make up, he still seems to believe the answer to the opioid epidemic is tougher punishments. Which is objectively not true.

Cuck

yes, yes...we know your dear leader can do no wrong.

Now you’re getting it.

Are you actually that stupid? Things are not that simple, please activate brain

Removed. Rule 10.

Next we execute fast food workers for giving me a heart attack

Hmm i don't think it's a good idea to call for the murder of our doctors...

Man the dystopian life is coming

Listen to some NPR. It's not biased, and let's everyone give opinions in an open way.

Every guest (that's not unimportant ~the lonely island had a session with Terry) gets hard questions that aren't baited, yet also fair treatment for honest answers.

Don't let repeat bad headlines make you feel like the end is near. Change up where you get your headlines!

Can NPR be bought though?

They are murderers themselves. They deserve no mercy.

So a 16 year old kid selling dime bags of weed to his friends is a murderer? You're either sick or 12.

You do know what an opioid is? If it is dime bags of smack then yes, yes he is. No mercy.

They're not. If you sell someone a gun and they kill themselves did you kill them? If you sell someone a car and they run someone over did you run them over?

I like the execution idea.

Meth, Flakka, etc dealer of any kind--> death penalty Heroin dealer--> death penalty Corrupt big pharma guys --> death penalty

Start there and see how it goes. Maybe keep cocaine and weed off the lists... or add coke? The dopers don't seem to fuck with many people. I dunno.

Your ilk doesn't seem to understand that as long as their is money to be made people will fill the void. So instead of fighting a losing battle against our own people that isn't working and hasn't worked from the very beginning that we try something different like treating drug addiction as a disease, quit throwing people in jail and ruining their lives over it, and quit enabling a huge black market and even to not only exist but THRIVE in the process. We can also address drug manufacturers too in the process.

what about the banks that crashed our economy? our daddy trump should give them a free pass.

No shit we shouldn't do this. I can't believe this isn't immediate grounds for impeachment.

Imagine if Obama had said this, or said he'd take away guns without due process.

The GOP would gone blind with aneurysms due to the rage.

Let's try "execute anyone who uses a gun to commit a crime" and see their reaction.

Yeah and we can have minimum sentencing laws for gun owners their first offence with a bullet in their possession can be a minimum 18 months in Federal fuck-you-in-the-ass prison. Having an AR can just be one bullet to the back of the head on the spot /s.

Or if you're a military vet and have symptons of PTSD, you shouldn't own a weapon.

Or if you're a military vet and have symptons of PTSD, you shouldn't own a weapon.

That may seem like a good idea, but vets with PTSD wouldn't tell it to anyone for the fear having their weapons seized or unable to buy anything. A better idea would be making it less of a taboo to talk about their experience and actually treating PTSD.

It is a taboo? I am not being sarcastic. Wow.

It sure the hell is in the military. If you get any mental issues on your medical files, you'll likely need a waiver to stay in. Mental health issues are a huge catch-22 in the military. Most people don't say anything for fear of getting kicked out. They're slowly trying to change this, but it's nowhere close to where it needs to be.

Civilian-wise in the US, it's also slowly gaining more support, but most places you just don't talk about it. The younger generation seems way more open to talking about it, especially in subs like /r/meirl and all the other subs that joke about their depression. Hopefully, their generation can break through because mental health is as important as any other medical need.

In fact if you have a combat arms MOS that requires you to use a firearm, will lead directly to your separation.

To be fair, vets usually just kill themselves. They rarely hurt anyone else.

yeah well obama didnt say that but he managed to do it in mexico "fast and furious" project anyone?

I don't know what it takes to be a DEA agent or run that agency. I will trust their judgment and I know not every plan succeeds.

From what I remember didn't they allow weapons to be sold to cartels so they could attempt to track the results?

And some parts of it backfired, or the guns were used in crimes?

what happened is that they not only allowed the guns to be sold to cartels they provided the guns as well, the results is not a single cartel member arrested, the cartel war turn from killing themselves with 45s and ak47s to bringing down an helicopter with a government secretary with a rocket launcher and grenades killing innocent people.

That was not a project to track the cartels selling weapons that was just a business to sell all of those weapons.

The GOP would have been foaming from their mouths as they storm the Whitehouse with AR-15s if Obama said anything Trump has said in the last 72 hours

No shit we shouldn't do this

I mean it's literally unconstitutional. I'm not worried about his comment in the slightest.

0bama said plenty of stupid shit https://www.thoughtco.com/barack-obama-quotes-and-gaffes-2733986

Typical western thinking in action - let’s ignore the root of the problem and chase symptoms for profit instead

But the Eastern countries started doing this first...

Who said anything about East? Maybe parent was praising the North.

Trump is either an idiot or an evil SOB.

Opioid forced addiction goes way back to at least the start of the British Empire and started in America with the Russell family. it was a way to transfer (steal) wealth. The pharmaceuticals and drug cartels are front men for the CIA et al (AKA the MIC, the Deep State).

either an idiot or an evil SOB.

¿Por qué no los dos?

Who would actually “fall for this”

Calm down there Duterte.

Shit why would they want to stop it? They $tarted it

Street dealers. They would never dare go above street-level. Don't want to knock on your own friends door, do 'ya?

My find our H factory in Afghanistan

Or the fentanyl companies in Arizona

Let's start with actually killing the people who have been on death row for 20 years.

I can't believe you guys are talking about this like it's a real policy consideration.

I'm not a "hurr durr 4D chess" idiot; I'm not saying he doesn't really believe death sentences for drug dealers is the way to go. He does actually believe that! He's been saying it for a while and circumstantially he's applauded Duterte for this approach.

I just can't believe you guys are talking about it like A.) it's within his authority to change sentencing guidelines in district courts somehow and B.) the merit of this idea is even subject to debate. Only a fucking monster of a waste of oxygen would believe something so vile and hatefilled. Like, "don't fall for it"?? For real?? Don't even dare see a shred of sensibility in such an asinine, horrid, fucked up idea.

You people are weird.

Duterte appealed to citizens to preform extrajudicial killings of drug dealers as well as police.

Trump doesn't have to make it a policy to give people that support him the idea that they might not be prosecuted as heavily now if they decide to take drug dealing punishment into their own hands.

When op said "don't fall for it" he is talking about the people who are heavily antidrug and live in areas in the middle of the opioid crisis who blame the small time users and dealers for the problem instead of the massive corporations making billions.

Laws follow cultural and social change dude, and Trump is pushing a culture of hatred towards users and dealers, based on stronger enforcement and higher punishments. No push back or posts like this would be a bad thing...

You sound super reasonable

can we start with the biggest dealer of all, the us government.

Wait.. He doesn't include pharmacists and such as "drug dealers"? Am confuse.

Yeah. Let’s execute those greedy bastards

He made an extreme statement - as usual - to kick up lots of dust. You think he doesn't know it's the fault of the Pharmaceutical companies?

So - when he says execute the little guys, the media will spend the next week hammering pharma - then Trump will use that political pressure to hammer them too.

Watch - I have predicted this pattern over and over with him. He did it with guns this week also.

He isn't some 4D chessmaster - he just jumps into any subject with both feet and makes the media criticize him in a way that accomplishes his agenda. We all fall for it over and over and the media dance like puppets.

That's my prediction - for the 150th time in the last two years. So far I have been correct 100% of the time. I guarantee you he will not be signing any bill to execute drug dealers.

It's not even extreme, it's almost in the laughable category. And by the sound of it, you have been right 100% of the time.

Where's that wall again? :)

Wrong.

You think he is a 4D chess master?

Not a good look considering people breaking down 1-2 bundles are generally heroin addicts trying to get by with "free" dope and often shooting their profits away.

Big pharmaceutical companies don’t have vending machines on the street. Doctors have to prescribe them. People are warned about the effects and addictive properties and take the risk.

yeah, it's their fault for being fucking poor and not able to afford something better. instead of exxecuting drug dealers, we should exxecute poor people and libtards. God emperor trump is very smart man

What does being poor have anything to do with taking prescription drugs? Most state Medicaid plans covers these. Not sure what your point is.

Well this is just a fucking awful idea that ignores like the entire history of the drug war

Ok, here's the list of the top drug dealers

You guys live in a dimension of your own dont you?

And you Lefties don’t after your daily dose of CNN and r/world news r/news r/politics r/canada ..?

You just need a better system to get unaddicted.

Good to see this sub turning the corner somewhat. Been overrun with fucking right wing lunatics for the last year.

Why the fuck are you ok with any drug selling based execution? If you want to live in the Philippines gtfo.

What is this the Philippines? After all, he is buddies with Dueterte

Heroin and Methamphetamine have simple POSSESSION as a first offense Class i felony, with probable jail time and at least a 1yr probation. Distribution, probably has aggravating and mitigating factors (gun posession=aggravating, feeding own addiction=mitigating) is most likely a G felony. It will get you a prison sentence either way. Trafficking is probably a C felony and will come with a lengthy prison sentence and kissing life goodbye.

I could have looked up sources but they vary by state law. All, and especially "Conspiracy" charges are often trumped up to garner a plea bargain. Especially because it's written into the law that a single party can engage in a unilateral conspiracy, which is simply "intent."

*Possible future MH and addiction advocacy lawyer. I already work somewhat in the public health field. You know my bias, if it wasn't already apparent.

Jesus Christ. This has to be an alternate universe. Someone at Cern fucked up. They didn't want to freak everyone out. They kept it secret. They caused a rip and now we live in alternative universe. That's my idiotic idea and I'm sticking with it.

Drug dealers are not peddling legal/necessary drugs tho OP. Some people who claim they need pain meds because the doctors cut them off is probably for a reason. OP is mixing pharmaceutical needs with meth/cocain and other nonsense

I would be all for the death penalty if it was limited to just the high level pharmaceutical execitive pushers that are convicted of the crime.

Don't kill our doctors Trump, it's not their fault.

Execute the people who run the companies who push Oxycontin and Fentanyl. Then leave us the fuck alone.

Well executing murderers has eliminated murder.

Oh, wait.......

Just the executives!

I love how OP’s title is phrased as if low-level drug dealer executions is a real policy initiative put forth by this administration. lmao

Trump is just an old fool yelling at the clouds. More aptly, he’s just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

Also, pharmaceutical execs may be addiction & death peddling scum but they deal addiction & death legally whereas heroin street dealers don’t. It’s not an apples-to-apples thing.

You know if you type “lmao” to try and act not salty it just comes off as nervous right?

Remind me why you guys voted for this fucking nugget.

Remind me why you seem to think most of us real conspiracy theorists vote when we all know the truth?

Why would you assume that he thinks that? He’s not referencing real conspiracy theorists. He’s referencing this sub.

Which is a conspiracy sub...

full of trump supporting idiots...

Really not...

lol seriously? seth rich, killarys emails, Qanon... where have you been?

You mean the conspiracy's....

yeh partisan conspiracies... that trump supporters push..

Not actually true. Unfortunately this sub has become /r/politics for the most part though.

Nope.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/81sfay/when_you_tear_out_a_mans_tongue_you_are_not/ lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/81t413/todays_red_pill_fluoride_one_of_the_deadliest/

seriously just read the front page. so many fucking idiots.

Especially when possibly the biggest conspiracy of our lives transfolds right in front of our faces? (FUCKING RUSSIA-GOP)

How do you know what we know? You a mind reader?

Shhhhhh

I'm not talking about "you people", but literally YOU PEOPLE.

You all downvote this man because it hurts, but you know this fucking sub trended trump-supporting during the election.

The Trump stuff was mostly brigaded to the top. As a European (that likely wouldn't have voted for Trump or Clinton if I was a US resident), I still vividly remember the obvious brigading and political lunacy that went on in this sub during the US election. Heck not only this sub, all of Reddit! There were parts of Reddit that were designated to be totally pro-Clinton and those posts were brigaded to the top, this sub here was seemingly designated as pro-Trump by the propagandists and anti-Clinton and pro-Trump posts would regulary and very obviously get thousands of upvotes and a disproportionately small amount of comments. It was such obvious brigading you could see it from a mile off.

Personally, I still like to believe the majority of this sub is not as easily tricked into the left/right dichotomy and petty political bickering and can see how various conspiracies and corruption are present on both sides of the playing field. And not only in the US, but throughout the world.

Let's not kid ourselves: this entire site has gone to shit and the left AND right had their equal share of meddling, brigading, vote manipulation, and memetic/mental/spiritual warfare.

This guy gets it.

They knew what was coming

They wanted the "businessman", and are surprised that he is treating them as a commodity and the country as a product.. fucking idiots.

Bankers install Presidents..voting is irrelevant.

2016

Person A: "I want to take away your guns"

Person B: "I wont take away your guns like Person A"

2018

Person B: "I like taking all the guns, due process can come later."

This is such a disingenuous fucking thread. You people make me sick with your lies.

He was literally talking about the very specific scenario where someone is making open, explicit threats of violence against innocent people and we know they are armed. Yes, obviously, such a person should be disarmed swiftly and due process would come second in the form of criminal charges or involuntary commitment. He's not talking about taking all guns. I know every single one of you in this thread railing against his comments understand what I am saying.

When someone is accused of committing a violent crime, they are usually arrested and held until they can stand trial. Their freedom is taken first and due process comes second. This is exactly the same kind of situation, but in the context of a well-armed individual making open plans for mass murder.

All of you taking these cheap upvotes should be ashamed. You trade your dignity and honor to participate in the mass hate hypnosis. This is happening more and more frequently. Wake up and stop fanning these false flames before they burn down your own house.

And that's basically it, in one sad little nut shell. How pathetic.

Because it wasn't a vote for trump as much as it was a vote for anyone but Hillary.

How'd that work out for ya?

Eh, that's just what my friends who live there said, Hillary would've started a war by now over nothing. I'm in Canada, didn't vote for him but Trudeau is terrible, too.

I'm curious, what makes Trudeau terrible??

It's a big list but I'll just put a few things. He paid three former terrorists who have killed troops on record a total of 31 million in settlements because their human rights were "violated". His budgets have been terrible, with the latest one being focused on gender issues and women's programs, basically spending a lot just to get the female vote this year. His most recent trip to India was embarrassing and arguably racist, basically cosplaying as a Bollywood actor the entire time while meeting India's politicians. There are many things, and I guess every politician will have made mistakes, but Trudeau has spent like crazy with little payoff.

I think that's a matter of perception mate. Paying out over human rights violations isn't his choice, thats, I assume, Geneva convention. We are all bound to it.

Doing more for women's rights and the like isn't just to "get on the bangwagon", it's called an open minded progressive attitude, and we actually need more of it.

The India thing, while I haven't seen anything myself about it, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's most likely the "accepting local culture" act, you know, when people come to Scotland and wear kilts..

Again, perception is reality. Unfortunately, we all perceive actions differently.. oh well.

Wasn't me

Sure it wasn't, shaggy.

Well it beats ww3 with Russia

Looks like it's coming, sooner than ever. So, slow clap for you. Congrats.

how deluded

Your opinion is clearly so strong and oh so wise..... Mystic one. Fuck off.

Did i hit a nerve or is your helmet on too tight?

A nerve? Get a grip hahha some words over the internet and you think I'm offended or something?

Guess that means the latter option then, retard

I'm coming from /r/all, I was surprised to see this is /r/conspiracy as I thought it was a common (logical) sentiment. So glad to see it stated so matter-of-factly rather than pussyfooting around it as usually happens.

UMM. The media manipulators use this sub as much as any other. I cant ever consider the top posts here to be organic.

You into organics bruh?

Idk. This thread is telling people we shouldn't execute drug dealers because it won't kill pharma execs. Not that we shouldn't execute drug dealers because it's a stupid fucking idea and people shouldn't be killed for not causing any harm.

There's a difference between pot dealers and dealing heroin and opiates though.

Heroin dealers aren't causing harm. The harm had already been caused by the person's situation or surroundings, and the dealer is selling an escape from a shitty reality.

Not only that, but even if they are causing harm, executing people doesn't fit the crime. Incarceration with trade education based rehabilitation is the best way to help society when it comes to low level non violent criminals who are grinding for money.

Our prison systems are designed to keep people coming back to prison. Regardless of how one feels about Obama, he was right to start the shutting of private prisons. Trump reversed this.

I’m surprised to see it here because this sub has been jerking Donald Trump off for over a year now and ignoring his likely involvement in one of the biggest political conspiracies to ever take place in lieu of peddling PizzaGate bullshit.

Ahh lets do what Hitler did so the state can sell all the amphetamines!

Ah, the Philippino model. But does Trump have a relative that will profit from such a monopoly on illicit drug sales?

Do not fall for what shit? Are people taking it seriously?

You think drug dealers could afford opiods wholesale? Lmfao

So we gonna execute doctors and pharma CEOs?

Duterte mentored him.

Why don't we just start accusing people of being witches again?

This will never happen the elite who hold stock in the prison system and prison lobby can’t keep people locked up if we are just killing them all.

Wow, has this sub finally been released from the iron grip of T_D?

My thoughts exactly.

maybe it never was?

Never was released?

www.reddit.com/r/correctingconspiracy/

It makes me sick hearing of the 'leader' of this country talking like this. And we all just let him do it. We're all so caught up in our own lives that we don't fight as hard for our rights anymore. A second civil rights movement needs to happen. Or else, we're all going to be pawns in their game. But hey, I'm just sitting on my ass right now, what do I know.

So this will include the 1) tired/overworked and 2) inept/corrupt doctors who prescribe pain meds to people willy-nilly, too?

This doesn't sound like a conspiracy in the slightest. Such a policy is perfectly ripe for abuse.

Who is in danger of "falling for this shit"? Do you think the average user here is so far removed from reality that they see extra-judicial killings (aka MURDER) as a solution to the opiod epidemic? If that is truly the case, this sub just needs to be shuttered.

Holy cow what a psycho!!! If anything we should legalize all drugs like Portugal did, this clown trump is such a dictator wannabe and all his Reddit fan boys are just eating it up. Makes me sick. Down vote away idc!!

Next month Trump is going to say that maybe that purge movie was into something. It will help grow the economy and reduce crime.

TRUMP WAS NOT EXPLICIT

Misleading Headline

More Trump bash karma whoring. "Link to Trumps comments" and you find he never commented they should get the death penalty.

Trump was sharing an idea, agreed. Looking at something like this makes you wonder.

Western Journal? No thanks. Use a real source next time.

More Trump bash karma whoring.

More stuff that you just invented now? So you’re saying someone wants internet points from trump so therefore doesn’t care? Weird how you can read their minds.

"Link to Trumps comments" and you find he never commented they should get the death penalty.

"You know, if you shoot one person, they give you life, they give you the death penalty. These people can kill 2,000, 3,000 people and nothing happens to them,"

So what’s that mean hmm? Oh he didn’t say it so he can’t mean it!

Calm down petal. He was just throwing the idea out there to see how much screaming you lot do. Slowly you’re getting used to it, but it’s taking time.

Trump is nothing but scum. He's going to perpetuate the elite's war on the poor aka the war on drugs.

I mean, Trump also said in his opioid conference yesterday that he was directing the AG to look into bring charges against pharmaceutical companies that were pushing these pills so readily.

Oh he is definitely going after big pharma. Source: Qanon/8chan

We have become Duterte. Murderer of thousands.

Yeah but won't killing all of those Doctors harm our healthcare system?

So where is the conspiracy? Or is this sub just r/politics now?

yeah what does the government possibly planning on a violent authoritarian suppression of it's people have to do with conspiracies.

So should we be ok with killing addicts if the execs get it too?

Blast the ceo's! Some states have sued big phama for the epidemic. I hope justice is served. If not someones getting a fat payoff

What about CIA? US military guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan? It’s not just Pharma.

I think you know that there's no such thing as an American anymore. No Hispanics, no Japanese, no blacks, no whites, no nothing. It's just rich people and poor people.

Damn right. The most important political identity is class. Until the upper class fears the rest, nothing will get better.

This isn't a conspiracy, it's common fucking sense.

Yeah, I don’t like this. I’m a supporter but he dies say some dumb things.

MAGA not KADD (kill all drug dealers)

All the things he says are dumb. That's not even an exaggeration.

what the fuk, are you a communist? do you hate america and our God emperor trump? maybe you should get exxecuted for arguing about what is best to make our country free of drugs again. disgusting libtard

Libtard?? Far from it... killing drug dealers won’t solve anything. We need to get to the head honchos, the top!

These street thugs selling $20 pills isn’t the problem

Kys pussy

what if i want both dead?

I read the article but I couldn't find any quotes of him directly suggesting this, I may have overlooked but could someone tell me where it's at?

Welp this is concerning to say the least

If any of you would have “fall[en] for this shit” in the first place, then get the fuck out. Nothing you have to say is worth listening to.

If only this sub wasnt a 24h trump rally from 2015-2016 we might not have to worry about this.

And what beautiful position would we be in had the turd sandwich beaten the douche?

We sure as hell wouldn't be talking about executing drug dealers.

Good thing the record got corrected

The CTR conspiracy was unfounded during the election, it just looks 1000% worse pulling that out in March 2018

Seriously, what is going on in this thread? Anti-Trump In /r/conspiracy?

I’m not sure what to think of this place, where just last week anything related to US-Russia meddling or anti-Trump was downvotes to oblivion or straight up removed.

I don't know, it might be because this post ended up in a page of r/all. Let them enjoy this single post, the right controls this subreddit so it doesn't matter.

If you regularly visit this sub you will see plenty of anti-Trump content. These kind of comments are pointless as this sub was only majorly pro-Trump during the election, where the posts werr majorly brigaded anyway.

Many of the organically upvoted posts on this sub have rightfully given a clear notion of awareness of the bullshit in believing that either liberals or conservatives are in any way the saving grace.

So such comments that point to more political partisanship and division are disingenuous at best and a distraction from the topic at hand.

It was pro-trump a lot longer than just the fucking elections, and you know it.

Post with more attention (1k plus) are usually more representative of the bigger reddit community, which at this point the demographics are largely anti-trump. Smaller posts are more easily manipulated by a smaller yet more devoted group of extreme loyalists.

It's amusing that you claim to know what has been organically upvoted. I assume you are one of the people who scoffs at the claim that ShareBlue is heavily manipulating this forum?

I thought it was full of paid Russian trolls, maybe now they are anti-trump.

I'm sorry but y'all can down vote me I don't give a fuck I am sick of trump he's a fucking mentally ill coward. his wife is an ugly dick sucking lip slut and his daughter is a skank whos better getting beat by a pimp on back page and his son is just as ugly putrid as his failure of a father.Call me nasty call me evil call me disgusting but he is evil he is nasty he is mentally ill and I feel anyone in his blood line should just off them selves or die in a fiery painful death. Three quarter of the United States sells some form of drug to make just a tiny more than ends meet because minimum wage is jack dick. Its enough to get me groceries and my necessities for a week if tbat. Ir doesnt pay rent or jack shit. I'm sure 95% of the people have been guilty of illegal barter in someway. Let's kill drug dealers and let the 100+ pedofile get less than 2 years of a sentence and than walk away like it never happened, when he violated a little girl/boy and takes her innocence but let's kill drug dealers simply because trump is mad that hes not getting his as much tax money from big pussy pharma as he would if he eliminated the street dealer's. Some people deal drugs because of our corrupt government some of the circumstances like having a felony or mental health issue prohibits you from having a job so you flip a little of your monthly prescription of whatever to make due and eat. Sure there are some dealers who may or may deserve some time for things like heroin or fentanyl but death....no no no...if you wanna kill drug dealers than atleast give a pedofile back what he did to his victim or an excruciating death to say the least. This is outrageous and I hope justice is brought to this fucking humiliating pussies sadistic thoughts and actions...

Welcome to Brazil

Lmao the Philippines does that and it’s terrible right now

USA. Following the Philippines lead.

Ohhh... so don't go along with the death penalty for minor crimes.... I'm so glad I browsed reddit today!!

Let’s just execute 1/5 people, randomly. See what happens.

Did you really have to tell us not To fall for this?

It was a fair warning, given the gullibility of this subreddit, and the propensity of its audience to polish Trump and the GOP's knobs.

/r/conspiracy is the laughing stock of Reddit. Not even The_Donald is as dumb as you people.

Or just don't support killing people for dealing drugs. Do we really need a thing saying don't fall for this? What is there to fall for? Who cares about who will benifit, we just shouldn't execute people period.

What the he'll is going on? Noe Trump wants to ban guns and attack drug dealers instead of actually fixing the problem by hitting it at the source. This sounds like he wants to get the CIA's competition.

I think hes talking about the El chapos of the world not some guy selling dime bags on the street corner. And yea the el chapos kinda deserve the death penalty as they are essentially terrorists

Just like how they're only killing the 'El Chapos' in the Philippines right now, right?

I say we do nothing. Let dealers deal and users use and let the users die and the dealers kill each other. Just keep a list of who is who and refuse them any help or human rights.

Just cause they're readily available doesn't mean you have to buy them...

But year, the root of the problem is the pharma companies for getting people hooked, the cartels for offering cheaper heroin when pills get too pricey, and finally EDUCATING the poor people proper use of any sort of medicinal agents.

Was just about to fall for it too!

If it wasn't for those meddling libs!

That would be like executing corrupt politicians to get rid of the epidemic of corruption that seems to be affecting government.

So I hate to be “that guy”, but he made no suggestion to execute drug dealers. Read the article and in the future, avoid using such sensationalist headlines. It is misleading.

Fall for what? Drug dealers are parasites that elevate themselves by praying on the communities around them. They deserve public execution.

I, too, am okay with executing the CIA.

It will never happen.

Plus, you know, killing people doesn't solve anything.

Legalize pot.

Execute Phar executives sounds like a good plan

He wants to start confiscating guns and executing drug dealers? This is how civil war starts.

He doesn’t want to take guns lol?

"Take the guns first, due process second"

He says it like it is! But don't take him literally!

Yeah, when someone is making open threats of violence against innocent people, they forfeit their gun rights. No shit.

There is this thing called context. Pay attention before you spread your fear-mongering bullshit.

I know, he wants to boost gun prices, because there was a bubble that popped when he took office instead of Hillary and now he's gonna huff an puff just enough to start a little scare or there will be too much backlash and he'll back down. Either way, he knows exactly how the media will carry the message which is why this...

"Take the guns first, go through due process second."

...was plastered all over the headlines a few days ago.

I was being a bit facetious with my comment. Sorry, forgot where I was for a second. Anyway, between the statement about the guns and this doozy, my guess is he's distracting from this:

Kill druggies

This is a perfect example of a distraction.

Yea that's a great idea and all Mr. Trump, but wouldn't it be better if we just kill the poor?

Why waste time on these drug dealers?

I mean think about it, if we murder all the poor people then everyone will be rich! When everyone is rich they will stimulate the economy more, there will be no crime, because as we know only poors commit crime, and all will be right with the world!

The level of shit we as a nation are putting up with is so pathetic...

Lol who the fuck would agree to this totalitarian bullshit.

Are you not in America? Are you not familiar with their wae?

how about we execute drugs deals and pharm lords

Great, now cops don't even have to pull the trigger to kill you, just plant a bag of Lortab on you and sit back and watch a jury do it as they are fed with lies that he was selling to kids and innocent teens.....perfect.

How about getting rid of drug prohibition?

Until a few years ago, people could buy clean opiods (Oxy) in measured doses of known potency. Then the DEA cracked down, people could only get black tar... now they die from overdoses.

The problem is prohibition, not drugs. See this shit in retail packaging out of liquor stores and suddenly there's no more crackhouses or street corner sales. The cartels go bankrupt. No one will be shot over a deal gone bad... neither cops, nor drug dealers, nor bystanders.

Who the fuck would "fall for" okaying murder?

He’s officially lost it. We need to execute the pharma execs then

When I saw a clip of him saying this yesterday I was kind of in disbelief... not being facetious when I say some of my good friends are drug dealers... I feel like we should have a militant pro drug organization akin to what the NRA is to guns. The next step could be killing drug users? Suspected users? We could be fighting for our lives, it's insane.

Hell, this isn't even conspiracy level shit. This is how the US criminal justice system works day to day.

Why can't we execute pedophiles first?

This is such bullshit. My mother died from an opioid addiction in August of last year. And all of her pills were given to her in fucking hospital persciptions. Even the fucking one that killed her, and this fat orange sack of shit wants to pretend it's street dealers who are pushing this much merchandise are completely self-sustaining? Fuck everything about this administration.

How is this the top post with 4072 upvotes? This isnt even a reliable source. If Trump was seriously attempting to implement this policy, it would be on the teevee 24/7.

Nothing is being implemented but he did say it.

He also said he was going to put Hillary in jail. My point is that this post is obviously being brigaded.

The drug war is a hot topic in the conspiracy community. It's riddled with government corruption, so when Trump mentions making it 1000 times worse(in 2018) than it already is, it's gonna get commented on. His mindset on the issue is straight from the fucking 50s, and it's idiotic.

“If you shoot one person, they give you life, they give you the death penalty.“

Says the guy who said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and still get ejected.

20,000 dead from pharmaceutical companies pills. 10,000 dead from illegal heroin.

This is what a republican presidency looks like.

All feelings, no solutions.

Last I checked it takes many years to pass a drug just to get to human trials so yes I am fine with pharmaceutical companies "getting away" with it since they spend millions of dollars and lots years of labour to hope that it can go on the market... There is guide lines that have to be met since you can't release a drug that would cure one person fully but harm two others even if it is possible to do tests to see if that one person would qualify... You need at least 75% or greater success rate on humans and that is not an easy thing to do when we all have different genetic coding

Stop making excuses for dopeheads. 1/2 a brain and you know to just suck it up and feel shitty for a few days once your scrip runs out, not driving into the grimy part of town to buy dope mixed with gutter water

Read that like 3 times. Still don't know what the fuck you are trying to say, but it appears as if you are right in line with that fuck-head Duarte (in the Philippines).

This is basically another way to kill black men for having to resort to hustling to survive in an economy that bars them from entry into respectable work by sabotaging black children with purposefully subpar education and socioeconomic segregation.

We have not come very far at all. Who fills our prisons? Who gets fired first and hired last?

The private prison lobby would never allow this. They need those warm bodies in prison ALIVE.

More racist bullshit. Are you assuming that all black men deal heroin?

Trump said

"If you shoot one person, they give you life, they give you the death penalty. These people can kill 2,000, 3,000 people and nothing happens to them."

It's very clear he is talking about high level cartel and gang members. Keep your racist nonsense to yourself.

Yeah all I heard in that comment was "victim victim victim." Just woke up and mouse is not working otherwise I'd disprove all that nonsense about purposefully subpar education (showing that the most money actually goes to underperforming, black schools and that not one student performed at proficient levels at all 13 Baltimore high schools that are receiving this cash) and that all students get breakfast, lunch AND dinner during the summer regardless of race or income levels. I'd also point out the fact that about 6 percent of the 12% of the black population commit over 50 percent of all violent crimes - I don't think teenagers stealing cars are doing so in order to sell them to feed their families LOL!

Crime is a choice.

There's no need for justification or explanation as to why this is bad - you shouldn't be EXECUTING PEOPLE because they've touched drugs.

What kind of fucked up reality do we live in where that proposal isn't self-explanatory or obviously fucking retarded?!

Clearly these people want to turn our country into a larger version of the Philippines complete with a despot for a president.

Why do you people always lie about what is said? He never said to execute people because they've touched drugs. He is clearly talking about high level dealers who are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths.

If someone is cartel garbage and bringing in enough heroin to supply entire states, they are killing thousands of people and they know it.

Fuck those guys. Hang em out to dry.

Common sense isn’t always common. Thx

Tbh street dealers are absolute scrum of the earth and deserve, the pharma execs do too though.

So the guy I got LSD from in high school should be executed? BTW it was a transformational experience. What about the girl I got MDMA from at a show, she should be executed? GOT IT

Yah. Try telling me they are leading productive lives right now and not completely leeching off the government. Im inclinced to believe they are not.

Of course! We just have to kill the poor for society to work! Genius!

Street dealers are hardly the poor of society. But they definitely are the scum. I have 0 sympathy for you if you make living off of ruining lives and families.

Is it 5 yet?

How about: if we can’t undoubtedly prove you sell large amounts of coke or heroin, you get death sentence.

I get the need for oversight and all of that, but there is no reason we can’t kill someone who was caught red handed smuggling in pounds of drugs.

One could even argue that we will have less smugglers if they know the consequence is death

WRong, that just protects the deep state funding sources, its crony capitalism disguised as regulation, its just a way for the CIA and NSA to have funding sources, that regular men cannot compete in.

What’s it got to do with capitalism or funding?

If you get caught, you die. That would free up a lot of money we spend on inmates and recurrent arrests.

Did you mean to reply to me?

Everything. It has to do with everything. All drugs should be lagalized and taxed, instead simple folk believe somehow other men really just want the best for them! No it has nothing to do with protecting revenue sources for individual greed.

I’m on board. But I don’t see that being reality in the near future. We still can’t get congress to reclassify marijuana for different sentencing outcomes.

Until then: heroin, crack, cocaine, fenanyl, etc. sell them and get executed.

Can we not equate Heroin with things like prescription Narcotics please? I understand they're the same drug class, but their usage is vastly different.

Seriously!

Sure. We should all stop equating hard core opiates, with hard core opiates...

Fentanyl

What about it?

It’s a prescription narcotic used to cut heroin? It’s killing people? Read the news ever?

No one prescribes Fentanyl to cut Heroin. That was my original point. Heroin and prescription Narcotics are not the same. Sure, you can utilize prescription Narcotics in nefarious ways, but to suggest physicians/pharmaceutical companies actively desire that is moronic.

How exactly do you think the heroin epidemic started? (Hint. Pharmaceutical companies lied to doctors, specifically in Appalachia, stating they weren’t addictive. They flooded the market with them. Then it became harder to get them after the pill mills were shut down and most addicts switched to heroin because it was easy to access and cheap.)

We can’t talk about the heroin epidemic without discussing prescription narcotics. Because that’s how we got here.

Correlation isn't causation. I merely stated that equating people who shoot up Heroin with people who take prescription Narcotics isn't identical. I'm not an idiot, I see the correlation. However, it's also stupid to suggest one immediately led to the other.

But one did lead to the other. It’s rather well researched and documented. And anecdotally speaking, every single heroin addict I know (which is far more than it should be and a large enough sample size for at least some inferences) started on prescription pills, most legally obtained. Because doctors overprescribed them. I had carloads of friends making monthly trips to their doctor for ridiculous amounts of opiates and benzos. All legal. Then they put restrictions on those prescriptions and patients were left addicted with nowhere to turn. And now they’re all on heroin. If they’re even still alive.

Of course heroin has been around forever. But the spike in addiction rates and ODs occurring now can be directly traced back to big pharma lying to doctors and the mass prescriptions that followed, as well as the subsequent restrictions on said scripts.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexmorrell/2015/07/01/the-oxycontin-clan-the-14-billion-newcomer-to-forbes-2015-list-of-richest-u-s-families/#49636cab75e0

Philippines

Why not cut the head off and make an executive order, Banning pharmaceutical companies from selling hard opioids, then executive order to federally legalize drugs, hard drugs marijuana, meth, Coke, anything, let it sort itself out

Because $$$$

Many people are using weed to kick their opiate habit. So, in a way it's the drug dealers that are fighting the real war on drugs.

Execute people...that's a bit extreme lol

Just sayin it would be easier to execute the opioid pharmaceutical executives. Cant be more than 100 that you would need to make an example of. The rest will fall in line to be good citizens and stop the flow of legal opioids.

People who peddle poison to children should be hanged. No exceptions.

So if a pediatrician writes a prescription for ritalin(cocaine), or Adderal(Amphetamine) you want them to be hanged?

I think we have policies against having minors wear a wire, and other related activities, but I like the way you think.

Wow, are you guys FINALLY focusing on actual fucking conspiracies? Amazing!

This deal is getting worse all the time

It's more about tough talk and then you follow the money really. Putting a few kingpins in jail and stopping the flow of opiods into the market doesn't really make a whole lot of money sense. Putting thousands of dealers in jail makes tons of money for prisons and police forces and keeps the big companies happy

Obviously there will be due process.. You guys need to stop thinking we are turning into a dictatorship.. It's not. It's still a democracy and plenty of voices being heard. I have no problem having some crack dealer face a firing squad but I wouldn't expect the same for a weed dealer..

I hope you're joking because that's incredibly naive otherwise

God damn man, do you realize how many people you are referring to that have since turned their lives around? You are basically saying you are cool with Jay-Z getting executed for slinging rocks.

Correct. I would love to see that, perhaps charges still on the line for him with admissions of guilt from him and many others via their interviews and songs is there not?

He's explicitly expressed contempt for due process. He's spoken praise for Duterte. He's expressed contempt for the separation of powers and is head of a party that is doing everything in its power to ensure certain voices aren't being given the same chance to be heard, in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and elsewhere. You must be suffering the worst confabulation if you actually believe your own words.

guys , our God emperor trump is just baiting libtards, democrats, americans for this. he is so smart at playing 45d quantic chess

I think we should execute politicians.

Oh man another thread completely derailed. Fuck.

Execute big Pharma too

When's the execution of the head of the CIA?

The guy that Trump hand picked?

What's the conspiracy?

Wait. An anti trump post in here?!? Amazing.

The CIA is the biggest drug dealer in the hemisphere.

Why Can't We Have Both?

Fall for it? What the fuck is there to fall for? This is a fucking horrible idea at every level. We should be scaling back the drug war, not doubling down, and anyone who wants to crack down more is off their rocker, let alone MURDER people over it. Jesus Christ, "don't fall for it."

LOL and old school cool is running a pic of Elvis.

OH THE IRONY!

So you boy son reddit pro pill popper or anti? Cause you literally upvoted the shit out of both to the top page. So bit of a mixed message here.

Trump suggested a stupid idea? No shit, wow.

Been talking to Duarte i suppose.

Why not both

I think he's speaking proactively to start a discussion like usual. I don't think he's seriously considering passing legislation for Nazi-style death squads for street junkies. He's just being bombastic.

Ah yes big pharma wants their customers dead.

This is silly on both sides.

Those aren’t customers dying.

Maybe he's talking about the pharmaceutical executives?

Haha, who am I kidding. Of course he isn't.

Way I see it USA has a lot to do with 'helping ' Afghanistan get back on its feet. Afghanistan is now producing more Heroin than ever before. Time to bite the bullet Trump

FYI most of the heroin here is coming from Mexico currently.

All i know is, under the Taliban, growing heroin poppies was outlawed and there was a worldwide heroin drought. Then along comes the U.S. gets rid of the Taliban, & now Afghanistan is producing more Heroin than ever before. Look it up. I don't know where the heroin that winds up in America comes from. I'm sort of out of the loop when it comes to worldwide drug cartels, but to think that Afghanistan is now producing a shit load of heroin, & now the world has a new heroin epidemic, but its all coming from mexico......thats a bit like sticking your head in the sand and denying the truth. Do you think its possible that Afghani Heroin is being shipped to mexico, where its easier to bribe customs, then run it over the border into the U.S? What do you reckon?

Let’s see if you can stay on topic here. The issue is the opioid epidemic in America.

Mexico grows the majority of our supply not Afghanistan: https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/01/14/571184153/on-the-hunt-for-poppies-in-mexico-americas-biggest-heroin-supplier

I think you’ve been watching too many movies.

Yeah, "conspiracy" is now just "overt things the government is saying that I don't like"?
There's no conspiracy theory, there's no substance, there's just a "I like the people who break the law, but not those who don't, and I don't want death sentence for ms13 gang leaders"

Did ms13 get a pr department to astroturf now or something?
THAT would be a conspiracy theory.

Haven't watched the clip, but an interesting twist would be if he meant the pharma bosses.

This is so, SO fucking ridiculous I’m seriously struggling to take it seriously....

Wow executing pharmaceutical execs is a bit of a shocking idea from trump. I’m all for it. Oh wait, he means poor people. Nvm

Nope got o Qanon....trump is after big pharma as we’ll source; Qanon/ 8chan

Trump didn't say we should, he said he admires countries that do, in his joking but serious tone, I'm pretty sure he understands that'd never go down here. C'mon people he likes to blab at the mouth. Stop getting worked up when he goes on his rambles like we don't know who the fuck we voted for lol

Don't you think it's about time he started acting a tiny bit more responsible with his word choice? I mean, he should have never ran if he knew he couldn't control his mouth.

Get the fuck over it, seriously. He's been the same guy publicly for over 40 fucking years, we know who the hell we voted in and if you were actually there or heard his tone instead of reacting to a headline or snippet then you'd realize he wasn't saying it was going to be implemented here or even was in the works or wishes of his to be... that's his form of obnoxious flattery for another country's culture and politicians and he's done it on many different subjects most of which are noncontroversial and in a joking matter. Maybe you never saw him on Tv, movies, interviews, talk shows, ads, business videos etc but he always does that stuff. I didn't realize how much my fellow Americans could overreact until the election 2 years ago lol

ALSO JUST NO

soon even trumps family will turn against him

Advise people and then let them kill themselves in whatever manner they choose. Their lives belong to themselves and not gov laws.

Did outlawing weed ever work?

Why haven't the biggest killers been eradicated from earth? Tobacco and, our favorite, booze. Profits and taxes.

There are laws in some places against killing yourself. How exactly would punishment work on a dead person?

Trump’s administration is also cracking down on pharmaceutical companies and drug execs sooo

http://www.newsweek.com/jeff-sessions-going-after-big-pharma-opioid-manufacturers-822857

Oh ok. Nevermind then. Carry on. Sentence drug dealers to DEATH for selling drugs(whatever that means).