The tennants of far leftism are contradictory.
0 2018-03-07 by RMFN
Equality means that we are all the same. Diversity means that we are all different. Striving for one or the other makes sense. Trying for both is cognative dissonance. Antifa calling for censorship of individuals with traditionally liberal views, freedom, liberty, and independence, are showing that they only value diversity if it is skin deep. Ideological diversity is apparently "fascistic".
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1 WarSanchez 2018-03-07
Equality doesn't mean everyone gets everything equal, it means everyone is treated equal and is given equal opportunity despite their diverse backgrounds.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
That's what it used to mean. Now it is beginning to mean something else with the push for universal basic incime.
Then I'm your opinion race based college admissions are "equal?" if everyone was treated equally race wouldn't matter, would it?
1 urbanmoose 2018-03-07
Race based college admissions are leveling the playing field. See, Brown people have less access to resources such as education, healthcare, disposable income....allowing a Brown person into college over an equally, maybe slightly more, qualified white person breaks the cycle of oppression. That’s not fair?
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
But that doesn't make sense, Poor white student has just as much adversity as an equally poor student of color. Why does the diversity quotas apply to even well off people of color?
1 urbanmoose 2018-03-07
They in no way shape or form face the same adversity
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
So they aren't equal?
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Two kids in a Alabama trailer park one white and one black with their parents working at the ununionized Toyota plant don't have the same adversity? What's different?
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Is their differences genetic or sociological?
1 urbanmoose 2018-03-07
Sociological and everyone has genetic differences, all still the same species. Race itself is a social construction.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Then if it is sociological how is race a factor?
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Right here is where I caught this one in their contradictions.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
And this is where I caught them in their contradiction..
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
What is race based on if not a prominence of commonly shared gene expression among a specific population? Social constructs can effect how a persons genes are expresses?
1 TheRisenOsiris 2018-03-07
Bullshit.
1 WarSanchez 2018-03-07
I think if anyone has earned their spot in a college or job they should be given the opportunity to excel there.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Me too. I believe in meritocracy.
1 vts845 2018-03-07
or he knows, or this is a proof of the fail of the american educational system
1 OldFoxfire5 2018-03-07
So Jordan Peterson being protested was an exercise in understanding?
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-03-07
These two concepts don't conflict at all. Having more diversity and treating everyone equally go hand in hand. Equality means treating everyone equally. Not everyone having an equal amount of pigment in their skin.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Is diversity to you many races or many ideas?
If equality is treating everyone the same why do colleges weigh the test scores of different races differently?
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-03-07
Which colleges weigh the scores of races differently?
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
http://dailysignal.com/2016/06/23/supreme-court-upholds-race-based-discrimination-in-college-admissions/
Most of them.
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-03-07
Oh you mean admissions? Yeah they are trying to give more opportunities to less privileged people. That's why they have quotas. And the supreme court seems to agree that's fine.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Then why does it go off of race and not income or tax bracket? Isn't the rich poor disparity of opportunity much wider than any racial disparity?
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-03-07
They probably should do that.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
We are making progress.
You agree with me that the racial division we see in our county is a distraction from the division between rich and poor?
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-03-07
Yeah the poor/rich divide is a much bigger problem but there are still issues with institutional racism in certain places. Especially with the cops and the drug war.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
They do go off income bracket for many students. It is not all race based. I think University of California and California State College system in particular are doing this.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
Those same universities give, "legacy," students with low scores. Why didn't the daily signal mention it?
A legacy student is the child or a big financial donor, a child of a professor at that university and or a child of a previous graduate.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Are you implying I approve of that kind of selective admissions?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
They aren't race based and that seems to be what is bugging you.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
Because back during the olden days before the Civil Rights legislation, There were separate and not equal schools.
Because beginning with the Nixon PResidency, city schools began withholding funds from segregated urban schools and the discrimination in those separate and unequal states continued to not educate some students.
Allowances for test scores was used as a tool to provide an equal opportunity at a later date.
The same universities allow accept, "legacy," students with lower than standard test scores, do you know what a "legacy student," is? And why they get a break on their test scores. Have you ever heard a conservative radio horse or Fox News yell about how unfair it is?
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
It's definitely unfair and it shouldn't be practiced. Admissions should be based off of merit alone.
1 urbanmoose 2018-03-07
No, because first this is hypothetical, and second because people of color face higher rates of discrimination and institutional violence than whites
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Wait the number of people of color are the only factor in calculating diversity?
Why isn't a diversity of ideas equally as valuable as a diversity of races?
1 urbanmoose 2018-03-07
Because race isn’t real....
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Race isn't real? Can you clarify that statement? I don't quite follow? Race isn't real in the same way the god of the Bible isn't real? Or it isn't real in the same way bitcoin isn't real? Is race not tangible in any way?
1 AreEternal 2018-03-07
This was brilliant.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
;) thanks!
1 TheLonelyDevil91 2018-03-07
I sort of believe this, I dont see race and culture an importance and shouldnt define your self. I understand why it is important to non whites but there a different between embracing and consuming culture. Yes pride a good thing but it will prevent you to be open minded to other cultures. Race and cultures is nice and should he acknowledged but it should be used as a tool to divide people or to stay ignorant.
1 Step2TheJep 2018-03-07
1) Tenets. Not 'tennants'.
2) Of course the tenets of leftism of contradictory. Orwell called it 'doublethink'. You can raise humans to believe self-contradictory things very easily, so long as you control school and the telescreen.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Ugh, thanks for that I didn't even catch it. It's the phones fault!
1 Step2TheJep 2018-03-07
It is a common error, up there with 'for all intensive purposes' ;)
P.S. What do you think of this schema? Leftists would probably get angry and try to 'shut it down'!
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Wow thanks for that link. That's actually something that I have been trying to put into words for a long time. The rabbit hole pyramid lol.
Similar to how they convolute real conspiracy theory with things like the flat earth..
1 Step2TheJep 2018-03-07
Yep. We all realise that some 'conspiracies' are more important/significant than others, but how can we visualise the issue?
I would be interested to see other people make their own schemas to see which topics are considered most important.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
I'll think about putting together a Dantesque schema based off of the levels of hell!
1 AreEternal 2018-03-07
That is a great link. I wrote this in another thread today.
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1 Step2TheJep 2018-03-07
I can see where you are coming from. A lot of these topics are confusing, I would even say *disorienting.
This is one of the reasons why a lot of 'conspiracy theorists' become so dogmatic. They feel a need to convince other people to their way of thinking, to try to restore order to an increasingly-senseless world.
The question is, does this mean that the 'crazy' conspiracy theories are wrong? I say no.
1 DawnPendraig 2018-03-07
I found the worst doublethink from antifa punks is "anarcho-communism" lol
1 missylizzy 2018-03-07
People also do not understand the difference between equality and equity which fucks with policies in things like education.
Equality - give everyone the same Equity - give what individuals need
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
As a liberal, I want to correct you.
Seeking equality opportunity for all does not equal seeking equality except in the political arena.
Seeking equal opportunity means giving everyone the same starting tools in education for example,
Not allowing race, religious, sexual identity be used to prevent this group or that group of this individual from entering the economic or political arena.
The problem is conservative propagandists have spent decades screaming that equal rights for all means something is being stolen from the group that in the U.S. and other nations once had the only ticket in.
1 missylizzy 2018-03-07
I am not understanding what your correcting.
Not against equality at a fundamental level. However, equity comes in after basic equal rights are given (race, gender, etc.)
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
I don't understand you earlier post.
Our wealthiest individuals receive the most government services and tax cuts and tax breaks and special accommodations in the law.
1 missylizzy 2018-03-07
Here is what I was saying:
1) Equality - the same.
In a society, there are some fundamental levels of equality. A person should, for example, whether male, female, or transgender, be able to get a similar job (such as a teacher).
2) Equity - giving individuals what they need.
Once equality standards are met, then equity comes into play. In a classroom, for example, Johnny who has vision issues may get special accommodations. Not every student needs those accommodations. Equity takes into account the individual circumstances.
When basic equal rights are met, people, people should be fighting for equity at a higher level.
Education is a great example of this.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
Oh I see how you mean it. Did you know that was one of Betsy DeVos's first acts, stripping any "special services," to handicapped students.
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/9kdnk5/betsy-devos-guts-school-disability-rules-that-once-confused-her
1 missylizzy 2018-03-07
I am not sure why you think I support her?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
I don't think that, I just don't know what you think.
1 missylizzy 2018-03-07
Ok...
Well I think the word "equality" is damaging when people do not consider equity.
Equal rights...yes!
Equitable treatment once equal rights are established : )
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
Handicapped children used to be sent to special expensive schools where they weren't taught much at all.
Now everyone bitches because they do learn more in regular schools but it costs. It does not cost more than when they attended special separate schools.
Minimum wage is another equality/equity area.
What good is a minimum wage that won't keep you housed, fed with transportation available to get to and from work.
1 missylizzy 2018-03-07
Good points, true.
1 urbanmoose 2018-03-07
Explaining the concept of race and why it’s false is a venture i don’t care to dive into with you right now. However, you can research it yourself. You will find that these commonly expressed genes are mostly related to distance from the equator, and elevation. They are adaptations not mutations.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
But they are differences, no?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
What do you think the differences are and if they are race based, do they only occur in certain races, never other races?
If various groups from any or all races have the same, differenc, is that a valid claim.
But give us an example of one or two of those differences,
Is it race or religion or social cultural based?
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Sounds like a cop out. Why won't you explain why race isn't real? Is it that you don't have time or don't have the ability?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
You don't even know what diversity means.
It means we are first last and always, all human.
But we have different religions and social customs.
Multicultural means, we don't all try to be the same but that we hold that all are human and all have a few basic individua human rights.
Example, people from different religions can co-habit in the same, community, city, state, nation.
But each must be held to strict human rights and not be allowed to attack someone or deny employment or housing for example because of their religious differences.
Diversity and multiculturalism are the opposite of forcing everyone to believe the same thing except the one important thing.
That each must respect the other's right to their beliefs.
This includes an agreed upon age of consent for sexual activity.
This includes that women have equal legal and political and economic rights as men.
This especially includes that one must not be forced to surrender their own beliefs nor impose them on others.
That is why we are suppose to be a nation of laws, where the law is applied equally for each citizen.
That is why the figure of justice in monuments is blinded.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-03-07
we live in the era in which liberalism is consuming itself, while it embraces every "freedom" (read: vapid pre-packaged establishment friendly political identity) but the freedom to reject the dogmas of liberalism
1 afooltobesure 2018-03-07
The folks railing against “leftism” around here are people who don’t even know that the word is “tenets”.
They lack even enough curiosity to double check before they post, which means they must be suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect and must actually believe they are well informed.
I believe this is because recent far-right propaganda is targeted at adolescents, brainwashing the next generation to make them easier to deal with as adults.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Lots of conjecture there. I have to be uninformed to have the opinions I have? A typo made by auto correct disregards my entire post?
1 afooltobesure 2018-03-07
You have to be uninformed to not know the difference between tenants and tenets, which implies that you are generally uninformed.
You absolutely don’t have to be uninformed to have the opinions you have, but you do appear to be uninformed, not because you have those opinions. This is a common theme among people with those opinions.
And sure, it’s always a typo, but in reality it isn’t and you know that. And I know I could check your past posts and comments and find more instances of it.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Ah, people who don't think like you are misinformed.. I see.
1 afooltobesure 2018-03-07
People who don’t know basic words are under-informed. People are free to think differently than me, and I won’t call them uninformed for doing so.
You’re building a false correlation here, pretending I’m saying anyone who disagrees with me is uninformed, but you know that isn’t what I’m saying, right?
If you had agreed with me and used “tenants” instead of “tenets”, I still would have thought you were misinformed and I probably still would have said something, because it isn’t “disagrees with me therefor misinformed”, it’s “lacks basic English skills therefor uninformed”.
I’ve just found that the same demographic of people seem to lack basic English skills, and they also seem to be misinformed. It might be prejudiced of me to assume a correlation between the two, but clearly the correlation has held up in the past.
People who lack basic English skills tend to be pushing far-right wing narratives. That’s my point.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Nobody likes a grammar Nazi.
1 afooltobesure 2018-03-07
It would be one thing if we were talking about grammar. You could easily chalk that up to laziness. This isn’t grammar.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Why don't we get back to the topic of the post.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
You're hermeneutic conjecture on my wording mistake is extremity intriguing. A very interesting pilpul tactic that I haven't seen in a while it's a nice way to distract from the post. I'll just delete this one and post it again in the morning with a few corrections. Thank you for pointing out that mistake! It is really nice to have people nice enough to proof read things and take the time to give their honest opinion. I hope you have a lovely night! :*
1 saintcmb 2018-03-07
Just delete them all, thanks
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Sorry. I'm here to stay. The pay is too good.
1 saintcmb 2018-03-07
Yeah, Im sure you get plenty of rubles for posts that don't make the front page. And jokes that aren't funny.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Rubles?
Lololol
How's the brain trauma treating you?
1 saintcmb 2018-03-07
you don't know what a ruble is do you?
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Russian currency. Duh. You're implying that I'm a shill. Which is against... Oh wait that is too.
1 saintcmb 2018-03-07
So you knew it was Russian currency. Why did you accuse me of being brain injured? Was that supposed to be an insult?
And I didn't imply you are a shill, you joked about it. But by all means report me.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
What have I ever said that is "far right."
You're a joke I am a classic liberal I believe in the constitution, and America. Not Marx.
1 afooltobesure 2018-03-07
Anyone wondering that need only view your profile.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
So you can't point to anything far right I've said?
1 afooltobesure 2018-03-07
How about this fucking post, for starters?
Then there are these:
Here are examples of you making errors similar to the one I pointed out:
(And here's an example of an actual typo):
Like come on you aren't even sneaky about it, you're clearly spreading right-wing propaganda. In fairness, you didn't have as many spelling errors as I would have expected to see. I would say you don't fit the mold of the kind of person I was talking about, otherwise there would be many more of these errors. I still disagree with much (but not all) of what you're saying though.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Speaking against left wing ideology is not inherently right wing...
1 afooltobesure 2018-03-07
Lol k
1 KnitBrewTimeTravel 2018-03-07
low whistle Daaaaaamn..
/u/RMFN murdered by his own words..
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Talking out against cultural Marxism isn't inheritly right wing. Because I'm not a literal communist I have to be far right?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-07
and in the U.S. classic liberal means libertarian. Are you from GB? where the libertarians call themselves liberals.
1 Bapril 2018-03-07
Equality means we are all of the same VALUE, not that we are all the exact same. How is that not obvious?
1 GiannisHasNoJumpshot 2018-03-07
This is not a conspiracy post.
This is a partisan post where OP is trying to start a left vs. right debate
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
The true left that used to believe in liberty and freedom that now believes in micro aggressions and identify politics is obviously being co-opt by Marxism. How is that not a conspiracy?
1 GiannisHasNoJumpshot 2018-03-07
a conspiracy is something like '9/11 was an inside job' or 'the moon landings are faked'.
Your original post is not like either of these. It's just you talking about why you don't agree with liberals. that's not a conspiracy.
1 RMFN 2018-03-07
Cultural Marxism isn't a conspiracy theory? Snopes says it is...