Why is the occult bad?
0 2018-03-09 by slkfj08920
Who cares about celebrities being involved in the occult.
The "occult" is actually part of mainstream religion.
The medieval grimoires, with all its demons, were composed by Catholic priests.
You can read Owen Davies' academic book on grimoires published by Oxford University Press.
64 comments
1 Tacomano123 2018-03-09
Cause they worship satan. No big deal
1 slkfj08920 2018-03-09
Jesus is the same fictional Jesus from the LXX version of Zechariah.
Paul, who writes before the Gospels, only ever indicates 2 sources of Jesus info, Scripture (the LXX) and dream teachings.
Paul never indicates Cephas or anyone else was a disciple of Jesus. Apostle doesn't mean disciple.
Philo independently confirms Jesus is the same Jesus from the LXX version of Zechariah:
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13541
1 Tacomano123 2018-03-09
Who said anything about jesus? So jesus is real just not version were told? What do you believe?
1 slkfj08920 2018-03-09
https://np.reddit.com/r/DebateAChristian/comments/6ocykt/clement_quotes_the_old_testament_when_quoting/
1 Tacomano123 2018-03-09
Excellent I'll read your conversation with another person instead of speaking with you and having our own. Jesus was real, and he knows you.
1 slkfj08920 2018-03-09
Where does Paul ever indicate Jesus was anything other than the fictional Jesus from the LXX version of Zechariah?
Where does Paul ever indicate Cephas or anyone else was a disciple of Jesus? Apostle doesn't mean disciple.
1 Tacomano123 2018-03-09
Are you trying to say jesus never existed?
1 slkfj08920 2018-03-09
I've already said Jesus never existed.
Jesus is the same fictional Jesus from the LXX version of Zechariah.
1 Tacomano123 2018-03-09
Well it's common knowledge a man name jesus historical existed. Historians don't debate that. Him being the son of God is up for debate.
1 slkfj08920 2018-03-09
The top scholars have to lie to maintain Jesus existed.
Mark Goodacre invented a line of Paul in a radio debate with Richard Carrier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58dG-wWBPBI&t=1200
Bart Ehrman has a long track record of lying about what Paul actually says:
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/11516
1 Centurionzo 2018-03-09
Wait, why did you suddenly put Jesus here ?
1 slkfj08920 2018-03-09
Christianity adopted Jesus and Satan from the LXX and made them inverse images of each other.
Jesus submits to God.
Satan rebels.
You can't have one without the other.
1 Rockran 2018-03-09
What are the requirements of worshiping Satan? And what kind of Satanism are you thinking of?
For example, LaVeyan Satanism - Just as an example - If you check out their version of the ten commandments, you'll notice #9 states "Do not harm little children."
Pretty damn tip-top rule right there if you ask me.
1 Tacomano123 2018-03-09
That's a good rule they have, at least satan isn't know for being the king of lies
1 Rockran 2018-03-09
Seems a bit one sided don't you think?
1 claytonee 2018-03-09
Haha I got a good laugh from this thanks I needed it. Very true as sell.
1 Centurionzo 2018-03-09
The book ?
1 Centurionzo 2018-03-09
It's not every Church that does that, but yeah these guys probably don't even believe in Christianity and should stay away from child's.
LaVeyan Satanism actually don't workship Satan but workship is archetype, they also don't believe that Satan existed
1 RMFN 2018-03-09
A centring of the life around Materialism is Satanism.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-03-09
What is the point of a rule if it isn't being followed?
Or, better, if the makers of the rule then define what is and is not "harm."
Perhaps they feel the child was blessed to have allowed to participate in _____.
1 Rockran 2018-03-09
My point was that you need to distinguish what kind of Satanism you're referring to, as not all variations are the same.
Because saying "They're Satanists therefore bad!" is an awfully ignorant simplification.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-03-09
Sure, point taken, but the OP is Why is occult bad, not What are the various sects of Satanism?
And actually, all Satanist sects are bad. From the Hot Topic-attired tween angst LeVayian Satanist to the global elite Luciferian... All bad. Some worse than others.
But go ahead and copy/paste the Ten Commandments of Satan... aka Do as I say, Not as I do... or some glossy LeVay Was Misunderstood or Crowley Did Good In The World or whatever.
1 Rockran 2018-03-09
Yes, that is OP's point, however I wasn't responding to OP.
That's the point i'm having issue with. LaVeyan Satanism is recent, angsty-Satanism, but is it bad in the context of what current religions have had happen or overlooked? Not really.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-03-09
Fair enough about OP and your slight expansion on OP.
Current religions are Satanism with a proper skin. Catholic is Satanism. Christianity in most forms has been twisted to Satanism. Judaism for sure, and I am not as familiar with Islam but all he Abrahamic religions are covers for Satanism.
If you're trying to find moral or ethical differences between the practitioners of open Satanism and the present-day practitioners of any of the Abrahamic religions... there won't be much. At the top/leadership tier, they're all Satanists, no matter the frock or mitre or other outward signs.
So sure, in context, Satanism is merely openly proclaiming their practices, wolf in wolf clothing. While the major religions are hiding it, sheep in wolf clothing.
And if you want that to be your moral compass, then feel free to proclaim "It's too simple to just call all forms of Satanism bad, in the context of world religion." Just be aware this is a self-referential statement. The world religions are Satanist at their core(s).
Elites must pay lip service to a world religion or they don't get elected or a positive public perception. This is a front. Why are they Satanists? I imagine wealth, ego, power, and control are the prime motivations.
1 aevans395 2018-03-09
Because a lot of the occultism practiced by elites involves child sacrifice.
1 AreEternal 2018-03-09
Ding ding
1 Tripredacus-Agent 2018-03-09
So therefore, because some occultism is bad, then all occultism is bad?
1 Esarhaddon- 2018-03-09
because silly Christians believe in a lot of stupid conspiracy stuff, and therefore anything anti-Christ such as worshipping other deities is awful and "satanism".
1 Centurionzo 2018-03-09
Just the fanatics, most of Christians are pretty open mind now, Satanism now is even accept as a religion
1 kbluep7 2018-03-09
I'm an agnostic atheist and I know it's bad when the elite ritually sacrifice people to achieve their "greater good". I don't care if you personally recite some satanic mumbo jumbo at a glorified Halloween party with your friends but you need to understand that the powers that be do get people killed in the name of the occult. There goes your dumb theory, think before you post next time.
1 sonicb00m42 2018-03-09
lol this answer should be the end of the thread. Like wtf else is there to say?
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-03-09
woosh
1 Iamamansass 2018-03-09
It’s not. It’s just a negatively charged word.
1 DracoDystopia 2018-03-09
Its a set of tools. Some tools are worse than others. The elite use the sickest methods to manifest destiny.
1 Centurionzo 2018-03-09
It's not bad, the thing is that durant the middle ages, Ocutism was hevilly associated with human sacrifice and Anti-Cosmic Satanism.
So people did get the wrong impression over the century's
1 slkfj08920 2018-03-09
So are you smarter than Owen Davies, an actual scholar?
1 afooltobesure 2018-03-09
[Actual scholar] is a TPTB shill gatekeeper hiding the truth from us we can only trust alternative[-right] sources shared via monetized YouTube channels, AdSense blogs, and Amazon.
1 toomuchpork 2018-03-09
Monsanto gets actual botanists and chemists to say their poison is safe.
You are committing a logical fallacy known as an appeal to authority.
1 ogrelin 2018-03-09
Occult means hidden. We are afraid of the unknown.
1 AreEternal 2018-03-09
The hidden part is that they eat babies and sacrifice humans to reach their goal of immortality. Research the priest class of Mesopotamia. These practices are alive and well with in the elite circles.
1 ogrelin 2018-03-09
I think you’re oversimplifying. Think about what else we don’t know about.
1 TheLonelyDevil91 2018-03-09
Im not doubting this, im sure they do but why do it. Why fuckin eat babies. If i was satanic or evil i wouldnt even believe a god exist, i would be evil to kil people bot to eat babies cuz it will get ne younger. Why do even the elites believe in superstition. Like thst famous quote. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful", thos should apply to superstition too. So why the fuck would elites eat babies. These elities know relgion is fake and a tool but why believe in a superstition of immortality. I ate a veal and that doesnt make me immortal.
1 Centurionzo 2018-03-09
There's also this famous quote: "If I believe in God and life after death and you do not, and if there is no God, we both lose when we die. However, if there is a God, you still lose and I gain everything."
So if somehow the supernatural can happens they win, they could be immotal, if not they have nothing to fear, there's no judgment waiting, no hell, just the oblivion, so either way if they win.
1 Centurionzo 2018-03-09
There's also this famous quote: "If I believe in God and life after death and you do not, and if there is no God, we both lose when we die. However, if there is a God, you still lose and I gain everything."
So if somehow the supernatural can happens they win, they could be immotal, if not they have nothing to fear, there's no judgment waiting, no hell, just the oblivion, so either way they win.
1 toomuchpork 2018-03-09
It is science that has and will continue to lengthen human lifespans. Not some garbage dogma shrouded in fear and ignorance.
1 AreEternal 2018-03-09
Science is a tool for the Occult. Look no further than Fermilab and Cern.
1 NOcomedy 2018-03-09
Because they might saccrivice you on a concert in front of a black pyramid with a lit up top #STUPID!
1 187ninjuh 2018-03-09
In my research into the occult and magickal systems, I've come to the conclusion (for now) that it represents an ancient and well-developed system of personal therapy almost. It somehow utilizes the inherent functions of our conscious existence to allow someone to full develop and individuate themselves.
Whether that spirit you invoked and gave you some solid guidance is real or a manifestation of one of Jung's archetypes, it doesn't really matter if the end result is that the invoker is able to overcome whatever challenge they're trying to solve, and grow as a person.
Of course, this stuff is also weaponized to no end by TPTB. Humans have some kind of weird inherent psychological reaction to symbols, a reaction that is used both for and against our best interests.
At least, that's my take 8 months into researching it.
1 monaco_magick 2018-03-09
It isn't a level playing field. The system is rigged by those on top, and they control what you eat and the information you have access to.
1 toomuchpork 2018-03-09
It is all a big pile of crap. All forms of dogma are a hindrance to free thought and are mainly used for manipulation and control.
Future man is atheist.
1 Centurionzo 2018-03-09
Not really.
If you look in some researches Atheism did grow but it's starting to decline, Agnosticism is the one that more grow in the world, but still here this quote:
Humans need comfort in the face of pain and suffering, and many need to think that there’s something more after this life, that they’re loved by an invisible being.
It can be ridiculous for some people but still is something that a lot of people actually hope for.
Atheism is also a little depressive if you stop to think about, there's no God, live don't have a meaning, there's nothing after dead just the oblivion, there's no real reason to do anything, and your morality is literally the only thing that stopping you for doing evil things.
Agnosticism in the other hand is more positive and hopeful.
1 slkfj08920 2018-03-09
Jesus is the same fictional Jesus from the LXX version of Zechariah.
Paul, who writes before the Gospels, only ever indicates 2 sources of Jesus info, Scripture (the LXX) and dream teachings.
Paul never indicates Cephas or anyone else was a disciple of Jesus. Apostle doesn't mean disciple.
Philo independently confirms Jesus is the same Jesus from the LXX version of Zechariah:
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13541
1 Rockran 2018-03-09
What are the requirements of worshiping Satan? And what kind of Satanism are you thinking of?
For example, LaVeyan Satanism - Just as an example - If you check out their version of the ten commandments, you'll notice #9 states "Do not harm little children."
Pretty damn tip-top rule right there if you ask me.
1 slkfj08920 2018-03-09
Where does Paul ever indicate Jesus was anything other than the fictional Jesus from the LXX version of Zechariah?
Where does Paul ever indicate Cephas or anyone else was a disciple of Jesus? Apostle doesn't mean disciple.
1 Tacomano123 2018-03-09
Are you trying to say jesus never existed?
1 Rockran 2018-03-09
Yes, that is OP's point, however I wasn't responding to OP.
That's the point i'm having issue with. LaVeyan Satanism is recent, angsty-Satanism, but is it bad in the context of what current religions have had happen or overlooked? Not really.
1 Tripredacus-Agent 2018-03-09
Yet, all religions and ways come from this same source also.