Downvoted because there are subs devoted to serious discussion of FE.

Thats not here.

Care to link some of those subs?

There are also Subs for 9/11, Politics, Religion, Aliens and Porn. This is supposed to be a free thinking place for thoughtful discussion.

The hate and rage dished to people exploring an alternate theory is never heaped on Middle Earth/Hollow Earth - why is that?

Because igneous rock has natural cavities and caves are a known thing whereas flat earth is essentially the ultimate excuse to talk down to people.

FE is used here to derail discussion.

Wanna explore an idea fabricated by the CIA to confuse you further? Great, go do it in the shit sub that is reserved for that psy-op idiocy.

A simple trick one learns is to skip over a thread you're not interested in exploring.

For all I know you represent a three letter agency - frankly I don't care who you are in here. I've been a part of r/conspiracy for nearly eight years and I wield no magic wand to change your mind on any beliefs you currently hold!

This is a forum for free thinking and discussing issues which have captured the public’s imagination. Please respect other views and opinions, and keep an open mind. Our goals are a fairer, more transparent world and a better future for everyone.

You are correct, yet...

Lets go back to before the 2016 election. Random people were coming here because the MSM "news" was so obviously slanted that this was one of the few places balance maintained a foothold, and it was becoming obvious.

Paid shills started flooding this sub and intentionally spammed Flat Earth posts into the feed 5-6 times per hour. This was an obvious attempt to discredit this sub with the constant floating of BULLSHIT to muddy the waters and detract from the valuable information found here.

Flat Earth is weaponized disinformation. I dont fucking tolerate it. No one here should.

This sub IS for free discussion of conspiracy theories, but that doesnt mean we need to open the door and invite COINTELPRO to come in and shit on the living room floor.

Use some discernment.

I do not support the Government psyop of Alien content but I don't shit on people that want to explore the notion until they're satisfied in the research they choose to apply.

You're free to think as you wish and free to condemn others as your tolerance level dictates. Until it is so noted in the Side Bar Rules that NO Flat Earth will be TOLERATED then others are free to post and get down voted to hell for asking questions.

You're completely right.

Flat Earth idiocy bullshit is free to be posted here.

I explained why I downvoted, because it is a known tool of opposing forces.

I am completely allowed to take a shit on another pile of shit. I dont have to entertain it in the spirit of "free thinking".

Cry about it all you want.

I'm not the one crying, you dolt.

You're crying a river buddy, all because I explained my downvote.

SJW powers ignite! You're gonna save r/conspiracy from all those that can recognize blatant bullshit!

May the powers of Truth be on your side, fella.

You, calling me a SJW while attacking others rights to Free Thinking and Free Speech...laughable and sad.

The topic was used during the 2016 election to discredit this sub.

Used like a weapon.

Read my other comments about it here.

It shouldnt be entertained, especially knowing how it was used in the past to sway herd thought.

Go to /r/flatearthsociety if you want to entertain fantasy.

Just a light caution here but the Flat Earth Society isn't representative for some of the other FE researchers. FES has a flat disc spinning and moving in an upwards motion...that is their Model.

I'm not vouching for one over the other.

The other Camp has a stationary, reasonably flat plane with no settled Map or Outer/Extra Land Shape. Dome or no dome is squabbled about as well. The Middle Earth is represented to a degree with the North Pole or also outer reaches beyond an Ice wall.

I am with you with this sentiment. A downvote only goes so far. This stupidity should be flagged as spam or rubbish with no merit.

This is a sub for conspiracy theories. A theory needs some evidence and experimentation. Some math and repetition.

All FE is is a weak baseless hypothesis.

how come we can watch satellite tv with satellite dishes pointed at the sky?

Look up how it works. It is actually picking up a ground based signal.

You’re deceived by it, by it being called a “satellite” dish.

the parabolic dishes are pointed at the sky. at the open sky. also look up geostationary orbit, to learn about 'non moving' sats.

Wouldn't matter that the satellites aren't moving as the Earth's movement would still make it so that the dish wouldn't be able to stay connected to the same satellite.

please look up geostationary orbit and what does it mean for a satellite to be geostationary. tv satellites are geostationary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit

I understand the satellites are stationary, however the Earth apparently isn't. How does a dish stay in contact with a satellite when it is spinning away from it?

hmm, i guess you didnt read the wiki page :-)

anyway, it just so happens that both the earth and the satellite rotate at the same rate, in synchron, so the satellite is always above the same spot on the surface of the earth, somewhere along the equator, never drifting away. almost like they are chained together by an invisible tether. so, since the satellite is always locked in the same position, the satellite dish will point at it day after day, after day without ever needing any adjustment...

That's extremely far fetched.

That’s geostationary orbit for ya!

the guy is obviously a troll.

that describes flat earthers in general

yes, satellites are far above us

Sure they are...any proof?

i think it would be beyond your comprehension

Or you have nothing but unproven theories and CGI pics.

i have sat tv you moron

And that proves there are floating satellites in outer space how?

you are confused. the burden of the proof is on you. you claim there are no satellites. prove it. :-))

You just claimed satellite TV is proof, therefore it is your burden to demonstrate how that is sufficient proof.

its still more than what proof you have, which is zero

I am not the one stating they exist. You are. There is no proof satellites exist therefore I don't need to disprove their existence. You are saying they do exist so please provide tangible proof or admit that there isn't any.

sat tv is the proof. done. now its your turn. prove its not coming from sats and that sats doesnt exist!

That is not proof. Where are the satellites bud? Any concrete proof your satellite dish is actually pointing to and using a satellite in space? Are we just supposed to believe that because that is what we are told? You can say it's so but without concrete proof it most definitely is not.

still waiting for your 'proof'...

My proof? How about the fact that there are absolutely zero real non-CGI pics of satellites? Again, not sure how you can't understand this. If you say something exists, the burden is on you to prove it. All I have to do is say "Look up in the sky, see any satellites? No?" Boom! Proof they don't exist. Seeing is believing, and when you don't see something that is said to be up there, then logic dictates it's not there.

you will have to prove that claim as well, regarding the satellites. i saw footage of them being deployed from the space shuttle more than once and they were not cgi.

it is actually funny, but if you look up in the sky you can see them with your naked eyes evey night when there are no clouds and you are away from light pollution. sometimes there are five visible at the same time. i also saw the iss with my unaided eyes. boom boom boom.

You can see satellites, which are no bigger than the size of a school bus, over 100 miles away in the night sky with your naked eye? Please tell me you realize how ridiculous that sounds.

I really don't have to prove anything as there is no proof satellites are hovering in space. Rockets may go up but they come right back down and there is plenty of video evidence showing this. I have yet to see any actual footage of satellites in space. Until there is, I really don't need to prove it as there is no evidence they are up there in the first place.

it is really their pv panels that are visible to the naked eye, you can see their reflected light gradually fading in and out as they move in and out of alignment between you and the sun as they traverse the sky. also you might engage in a bit of night time photography to further your knowledge about the world you live in: when you take long exposures of about half an hour or so from a tripod, you can tell the sateliites from the stars by the straight trajectories they make while the stars rotate around the celestial poles.

what do you think, between trusting my own eyes and the photos i took, and you, what will i pick?

i also took long exposure night time photos in the southern hemisphere and there is a celestial pole there as well, and guess what? it is not the polaris. i could find and identify the polaris ever since i was a child btw.
this couldnt happen on a flat earth. hopefully you will grow out of this primitive belief eventually.

Great, care to share your evidence?

what for? you and everyone else can replicate everything i wrote. or are you too afraid to actually see it for yourself? cognitive dissonance is not all bad, you know.. :-)

Gotcha, seems you are afraid to share your "proof." Message received loud and clearly!

there are hundreds of long exposure shots of the night sky pick any, they are as good as mines are. and by judging you from this thread you would just label it as photoshop and demand more proof, therefore you dont deserve the effort of uploading any proof. far from it. in reality it is you who needs providing proofs for your ridicoulus claim that the earth is flat. you have nothing, because 'flat earth' is as fake as you are.

Sounds like you think you talk a good game but when the time comes to back it up, you cash out. Understood. Nice try bud!

the earth is not flat, just your head :-)

Resorting to insults...means you have no legs left in this debate. Take care.

you failed hard. good luck next time.

Lol, whatever helps you sleep at night bud!

bye 'bud'!

Not really, humans are smart as fuck.

Never said humans aren't. Satellites, however, are science FICTION.

How do you know they are?

How do you explain the data we get? I work for a company involved with geotechnology and we rent time on satellites to get info about where we will be putting sensors and what to expect (Im just IT).

I guarantee you the data we get only comes from extremely high extremely fast satellites. Not balloons...

What about what we see at night traversing the sky? What are those in your mind?

What about the millions of people involved with satellite manufacture or utilize tools that rely on satellites?

You just say theyre fake but offer nothing other than "Its science fiction!"

Thats called an opinion not a fact.

Do you have evidence proving the existence of satellites? As I said to another commenter, do you really believe you can see satellites, which are no bigger than a school bus, from 100 miles away with the naked eye at night? That is ridiculous.

Do you have evidence proving the existence of satellites?

The Company I work for rents time on a satellite for geo-topography. Its anecdotal but I assure you the data we get can only come from very high very fast satellites.

As I said to another commenter, do you really believe you can see satellites, which are no bigger than a school bus, from 100 miles away with the naked eye at night?

So what are we seeing when we see an object move in front of the moon or streak across the sky at regular intervals?

Any video of these satellites going across the moon? The data comes from many sources. Here is a good summary of where we get the data which you can easily check/verify with a quick google search.

https://m.facebook.com/flatearthsciencenbible/photos/a.1615527025367020.1073741829.1601478303438559/1703235286596193/?type=3

Facebook.... Flatearthbible.... Alright....

Yes there are images of satellites in front of the moon.

Where?

geostationary orbit

Durp.

Fuel for your fire... a science fiction writer calculated the requirements and tragectory for a geostationary orbit.

A science fiction writer!????

They point at the sky because, yeah, that's where the signal is coming from. Does that mean it originated from something that is in the sky? Not necessarily. If you could show how the signal can originate from the ground and be received from the sky, then you have your answer to how satellites work and why we aim our dishes at the sky.

your answer i less than useless

I apologize for assuming your original question was asked with genuine intent.

sorry for being harsh, but what you wrote doesnt looks like an answer to my question..

How is it not an answer to your question? You asked why we point our satellite dishes toward the sky if the signals don't come from the sky? The signals originate from the ground and then are bounced off the "ionosphere" to be received back on the ground. So from the standpoint of the receiver, the does appear to be coming from the sky. Does that mean it originated from a satellite in the sky? Not necessarily. It may, not to assume it so it erroneous.

look, afaik, thats just not how satellite dishes work. the ionosphere scatters the radio signal and it appears to reaching the antenna from different directions. this works fine for ham radios, they dont use a parabolic dish, but a traditional, pole shaped antenna. but satellite tv dishes must be pointed at the precise location of the satellite with something like 0.5 +/- degress of precision or there will be no reception.

Simple. To hide God.

Can you explain this?

Personal observations of the environment has led me see the earth is more like as described in the Bible (e.g., firmament, waters above).

For the record I had considered myself an atheist up to a year ago. Seen some weirdness in the sky, did some research, found some answers, more questions, more research and now here I am, complete 180.

Impossible to put into words but once you see... God it's glorious! You will see how our mythologies and religions are putting a story to his work. The ship, the serpent, the all seeing eye, it's all there right above our heads.

That doesn't explain how lying about the flat earth is hiding God.

Sorry, I disagree with you on all this.

It makes people think they live on a ball flying through space as a result of chance but it's not anything even close to that.

I don't think we are here as a result of chance. But I do think the earth is round, not flat.

A flat plane of existence being held still in space while everything moves around it would probably require a Creator.

4.5 billion years in eternity is but a blip.

Okay.

You need to see more. Seen the wheel? Imagine the trails as spokes to a giant wheel. Ezekiel describes it pretty good too. https://imgur.com/zwmINKM
https://imgur.com/IS2n9Ko

Notice how they come up from horizon then over.
https://i.imgur.com/pOKxuxR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5Ub3eJe.jpg

One of many strange phenomena going on with the horizon that tells me earth isn't what we're told.

TIL some people think the trails left by planes are the spokes of the wheel as described by Ezekiel.

I personally refuse to argue the religion aspect of FE, if you believe (have faith) that a higher power did this then I accept that and wont challenge it.

The one thing I want to add is any god that created a FE is a dick. He has the power to create an infinite universe for us to explore but instead he locks us in a terrarium that perfectly simulates an infinite universe?

Why?

'cause he is just an absentee landlord.

Think of it like the movie Escape from New York. You are locked up with all the rest of the cursed created beings who's ancestors or they directly used their free will to disobey God. If you are born into a prison island because your parents did something wrong you are still born on prison island. Prison island is run by the biggest, baddest created being of all that fell (Lucifer). He doesn't want you to know the truth so he sets up the prison with a false reality to distract humanity from the truth. Our job here is to realize why we are here and what needs to be done to escape. God only wants to be worshiped by creations who choose to do so with their free will. Not by robots that are forced to.

The answer to that is found in the King James Bible. Jesus Christ is literally the door out:

Joh_10:9  I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

All one needs to do to enter the door is repent of their current state and believe the Gospel which is:

1Co 15:1  Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;  1Co 15:2  By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.  1Co 15:3  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;  1Co 15:4  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 

This means there is nothing you can do to save yourself. You must trust in what Jesus Christ (God who came in the flesh) did for you already. He was the final, perfect blood sacrifice to pay for all sin (the curse).

The real "Big Bang" happens at the end after Judgement. God's kingdom will never stop expanding. Saved people will be able to explore the universe in their glorified bodies. Lucifer has everyone dreaming of this now while it is not possible and also using it to hide the greatest evidence of God's existence (his creation itself).

God only wants to be worshiped by creations who choose to do so with their free will. Not by robots that are forced to.

That's not a choice, it's an ultimatum.

You are free to live the life he gave you however you choose. If you choose to deny the free gift of salvation he has offered you then he has a place prepared for your immortal soul where you will be separated from him for eternity. If you accept his gift then you can be with him for eternity taking part in his eternal promises. The choice is yours to make. You won't have anyone to blame but yourself if you end up under his wrath.

Isnt one of the arguments about FE that you have to take the authorities word for it? I havent been to space I just have data others provide.

What experience do you have or evidence do you have that what you just wrote is indeed fact?

My ultimate confirmation is spiritual in nature so it's nothing I can prove to you. Jesus Christ supernaturally changed my life. I know he is real and he led me to his word which is the King James Bible. I read it like a newborn baby and everything is confirmed there. You asked a spiritual question so I was addressing that only. I've seen you all over FE posts debating the non-spiritual stuff and I really have no interest in debating that with you. At this point I believe this isn't anything that can be proven or shown to anybody. Each individual has to find it in their own way.

Fair enough but as a Jew I find that the KJB really mucks up translations especially OT for a modern audience.

What do you make of Isaiah 52:13 straight though Isaiah 53 in whatever version of the OT/Torah you trust?

Its pretty clear that the big G was asking for a representative for himself and Isaih offered to do it.

God said cool, then got pissy when Isaiah laid a few harsh truths, like the OT big G does

What version are you referencing? Doesn't sound anything like Isaiah 53 to me. I'd like to read what you are looking at.

I was summing up Isaiah from memory, youre talking about the book Isaiah?

He talks about a messiah that Isaiah tried to be.

WHats your point?

The point is Isaiah 53 perfectly describes Jesus Christ.

Isa 52:13  Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.  Isa 52:14  As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:  Isa 52:15  So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

He will sprinkle many nations. A reference to the sprinkling of the blood of the sacrifice. He also was exulted above everything. In the future he will return as King of Kings, bring back the Kingdom of Heaven, and raise David to rule once again and Israel will have peace for eternity.

Isa 53:3  He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 

He was rejected and crucified by Israel's religious leaders at the time.

Isa 53:4  Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.  Isa 53:5  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 

He suffered for us. Carried our sorrows. He took the chastisement that we deserve. His stripes heal us.

Isa 53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 

All our sin was laid o him.

Isa 53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was the perfect lamb of God. He didn't try to defend himself. He is the final blood sacrifice for all sin.

Isa 53:9  And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.  Isa 53:10  Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

He was innocent but sill took all our sin. Again, more reference to him being the sacrificial lamb.

Isa 53:11  He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 

Many are justified by him and not of themselves.

Isa 53:12  Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

More about his taking our sins. He is the only intercessor between us and the Father.

The point is Isaiah 53 perfectly describes Jesus Christ.

Well it talks about a messianic figure but certainly not just Jesus.

I respect your decision to have faith that this is what's going on.

You need to read something better then. I recommend Matt Alper's The "God" Part of the Brain for starters.

Scientific and an easy read.

Oh, and the word is "a lot" not allot... because that's not even a word. Indicative of the reading you have done... volume and content.

You need to read something better then.

Does that explain the weird phenomena in the sky I've been documenting?

Oh, and the word is "a lot" not allot... because that's not even a word. Indicative of the reading you have done... volume and content.

I think you're confused.

The main part of my comment was the book. Mathew Alper. Science, man, give it a try.

And yeah I guess I am confused. I swear I read that bastardized word somewhere.

I also believe you are being disengenuous somewhere in this tale of your spiritual awakening.

They have no unanimous explanation as to why those in power would hide the shape of the Earth. I have heard of a couple of ones though.

• There are other "Flat Earths" beyond the ice wall. Uncharted land that contains resources.
• To discredit the Bible. The current literal interpretation of the Bible seems to imply that the Earth is flat. If the Earth is actually round, then the Bible got it wrong.
• To create the idea that we are insignificant. The Flat Earth model could imply that we truly are special and that the universe does have us in the center. This is in contrast to the current model, which suggests that Earth is just one of trillions and trillions of planets, thousands of which may also have life in just out own Galaxy.

the Bible seems to imply that the Earth is flat

How?

A bunch of goat herders couldn't concierge of how the universe actually exists.

In the tale of Noah (which is logically laughable) only animals within a few hundred miles of the dead Sea are mentioned. Where were the kangaroos?

How are these facts evidence that the world is flat? I'm confused

I was disagreeing with the comment you replied to.

A bunch of people who thought mud makes a good bandaid should not have their scientific reasoning of the world taken to heart.

I understand what you mean now

Using their own examples...

• "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Is. 40:22 They focus on the use of the word "circle".

• Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. - Matthew 4:8 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. - Daniel 4:11 If the Earth is a sphere, being very high would not actually let you see "all the kingdoms of the world".

• "And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." - Joshua 10:13 **For the sun to appear to stop, then that means the Earth would have to stop spinning. That has... numerous issues. It's TECHNICALLY possible for the Flat Earth Sun to stop while not creating issues for people on the Flat Earth.

They also have a bunch of quotes describing the firmament, as well as those that describe a "immovable Earth".

I’ve seen the argument that flat earth is being covered up because if the earth was flat it would somehow make people turn to god.

Where in the bible does it say the earth is flat? Best I can find is mentions of “four corners of the earth”, but even then that’s not exactly proof, you could equally look at it as just a saying that means “the furthest part of the planet we know about”

I also don’t see why the earth being flat would turn anybody towards god. There’s plenty of people who believe in god now so why would the earth not being round make people care more about god?

To me the flat earth agenda is being pushed by NASA. Some of the footage looks awful (especially the ISS stuff). That’s not to say I believe NASA haven’t been to the moon or anything like that, just that some of the footage looks poor.

NASA released the footage and conflated people who question the footage with flat earth believers. Obviously once you do that the general public will dismiss any criticism of the footage as they won’t want to be lumped in with flat earthers.

Even if the NASA footage is 100% fake that doesn’t mean the earth is flat. The Greeks realised the earth was round thousands of years ago. Even if photographic proof doesn’t exist it doesn’t mean it’s not round

Because the system exists to destroy the inherent purpose of what ist is to be human and free. As well as to keep people divided by race/country/anything imaginable

The ones who rule campaign to destroy anything and everything that says "You, as a human, are significant."

They destroy God and religion, moving towards all people putting their faith into them, the gov, TPTB, what have you. Fits NWO agenda, faith in the gov is the same as religion.

They want you to think you are a random occurrence in an infinite universe with no significance whatsoever.

This belief can take away a mans purpose. It makes it more easily to say "whatever, nothing matters any way" and use that as rationalization for almost anything. (drinking, smoking, not critical thinking, etc etc)

If the earth were flat, that would mean we are part of a system created for us, and that our decisions DO matter. It would also prove some sort of creator, whatever that may be, it also works perfectly in the simulation hypothesis.

Most of all, it would bring every human closer in that we would all be part of a special family, which regardless of anything we are.

We know there agenda is to divide, and kill one's purpose, it keeps the people docile and helpless and hopeless.

They don't want people to have a purpose, they also need people to be divided.

That one of the big reasons they would lie about it.

It is rooted in spirituality which is why I believe a lot of creationists have gotten behind it, as well as why everyone else hates it so much.

I am just playing devil's advocate here so no need to flame.

Good take, regardless of the flat earth or not. The war we are in is a spiritual war, and man we are losing badly.... :(

When humans first learned the shape of the world it was religion, governments and TPTB that railed against it.

How do you know that to be the case?

Copernicus and Galileo both were Gilford by the church

The last pope apologized for the Catholic Church's treatment. Don't they teach this in school anymore?

Maybe this is more suitable!

"When humans first learned the shape of the world"

Hahahaha you only assume that because of what you were told in the school system created by the very people implementing the deception.

Durp. No to not know the shape of the world is to be wilfully ignorant. It is to not know arithmetic, history or even the slightest astrophysics.

Grade 11 algebra we crunched the numbers that have been collected for over 500 years which prove the shape of the world.

Edgy ignorance is ignorance still.

Clearly you don't understand what I'm arguing. You're saying that all of this stuff you learned in school is proof and I'm telling you that school indoctrinates concepts in your mind that aren't based in reality. They taught you the shape of the world and then taught you the math you should use to confirm that theory. That's not very scientific is it? We should teach the basic skills of math and reading and then let the kids come to conclusions on their own. We don't need to teach them that someone else discovered something that is unable to be questioned.

I learned math. The world has been measured by hand.

To not agree is to be ignorant of history and math stupid.

Can you replicate the math Eratosthenes used (even if he was wrong)?

Can you calculate the size of a sphere from one length and two angles?

I bet you you cant.

Wilfully ignorant or just a unlucky role of the genetic dice.

Do you have a single documented known mistake on a map? Distances and altitudes would be different on a flat earth than they are on a sphere.

For instance the distance between say two distant cities on the ocean and the peak of Mount Everest. But trying to use Pythagorean math and Euclidean geometry you would notice an error. But if you use spherical algebra that error goes away.

You are basically coming to the table saying *arithmetic" is a lie, without supplying an alternative.

Math isn't dogma. It is right or wrong.

So to deny this without any other math to replace it is just stupid.

Really really stupid. Knowingly so. Wilful ignorance. Like a warm blanket on a cold day some find comfort in being ignorant... somehow.

But I seriously doubt most flat earth proponents can even grasp this notion.

Just because you don't understand doesn't make it wrong.

Formulate an alternative and we can talk. Denial is not debate. It is childish banter. You decide.

You're misrepresenting my argument and then patting yourself on the back as superior. Good for you. Keep on believing that. Clearly, if you were as smart as you think yourself to be, then you would see what I see. Since you don't, then you aren't. There's no way to argue with that. Have a nice day.

Haha. What a fucking weak rebuttal!

Just say you don't have any proof or data or understanding of what it takes to prove the shape of the world and go away.

If you were half as smart as you think you could see the logical errors in your half assed response as well.

You.cant argue this because you are wrong and there is no proof to support this lame idea.

Have you ever read allegory of the cave? You're an example of someone who calls out the main prisoner and rallies the rest of the prisoners to refuse to go outside the cave.

Ooo look at you. Someone has read some philosophical history. Wow.

Now learn some scientific history and math.

The irony is that my love for learning has led me to these truths. You have an artificial love of learning because your understanding of the world comes from authority, not from self-discovery. Now that you graduated and received a piece of paper, you think you know things about the world but you won't allow yourself to receive new information if it isn't coming from the same authoritative sources that you've received all your information from. I was taught all the same shit you were. The only difference is that I never stopped learning, and when I came across new evidence, I adjusted my beliefs accordingly.

I told you we replicated the math. Are you trying to state distances and altitudes are wrong on maps?

Your "research" has not shown you anything other than your gullibility.

You could try this yourself. Take two points far across a map and a peak, say Everest and crunch the numbers. It is easy to do... At least that part that shows the error. Getting it to jibe involves a little more complex formulas. May be above your pay grade.

You are pooh poohing hundreds of years of discovery by tens of thousands of people. People with more smarts and more intestinal fortify do e than a million YouTubers.

Ya need a little more than Joe Rogans idiotic side kick on your side. Or Tila Tequila.

FFS.

I told you we replicated the math. Are you trying to state distances and altitudes are wrong on maps?

Your "research" has not shown you anything other than your gullibility.

You could try this yourself. Take two points far across a map and a peak, say Everest and crunch the numbers. It is easy to do... At least that part that shows the error. Getting it to jibe involves a little more complex formulas. May be above your pay grade.

You are pooh poohing hundreds of years of discovery by tens of thousands of people. People with more smarts and more intestinal fortitude than a million YouTubers.

Ya need a little more than Joe Rogans idiotic side kick on your side. Or Tila Tequila.

FFS.

When I applied the question of 'Why would FE be hidden?' I discovered there's a myriad of answers. Some come from religious aspects (hide G_D) and others from atheists (financial or power) so I was rather struck by both positions.

I've wondered this too. What would be the purpose of lying to us about it? Why keep us in the dark?

Another question - why aren't there any pictures of the edge..? Wouldn't the edge be everywhere?

glad to see so many flat earthers saying all the things I was going to say

If you sail away from the North Pole in any direction, you'll hit a giant wall of ice. Maybe you could tell us how to get over that and find the edge.

You're conflating two separate issues.

1) Why would the government and scientific establishment cover up the shape of the Earth? That is not knowable without more information, so all that you will get is speculation.

Here's an example that resurfaced recently on r/conspiracy. https://www.sott.net/article/377870-CIAs-plan-to-retrieve-a-Soviet-submarine-from-the-ocean-floor-prospects-for-deep-sea-mining . If you had taken a look at the plans for deep sea mining and determined that it was bullshit, somebody may have asked you what motivation Howard Hughes and co. would have to fake such a thing. And you would probably never come up with the correct answer of "to retrieve an exploded Russian submarine that wasn't publicized, but the US found out about because it has a network of underwater listening devices that were able to locate the explosion."

2) What motivation does NASA and Tesla have for faking space videos. Again it's speculative, but that one has a clear-cut obvious reason. Money, duh.

Get a compass, walk due North with no deviation, and let me know when you find the edge.

But once you pass the center, it's going to turn you back around. What you should do is the opposite: start at the North Pole and move due south until you find the edge.

I like this so much better than "NASA Blackwater will shoot me if I get too close to the wall of eternal ice."

Good ol' NASA Blackwater and their ability to constantly survey ~125600 km of ocean.

It's easier to have a theory to explain that the earth is round. Then that the earth is flat. Like what would be the explanation of how the earth was made if it truly was flat.

the Bible seems to imply that the Earth is flat

How?

TIL some people think the trails left by planes are the spokes of the wheel as described by Ezekiel.

God only wants to be worshiped by creations who choose to do so with their free will. Not by robots that are forced to.

That's not a choice, it's an ultimatum.

I’ve seen the argument that flat earth is being covered up because if the earth was flat it would somehow make people turn to god.

Where in the bible does it say the earth is flat? Best I can find is mentions of “four corners of the earth”, but even then that’s not exactly proof, you could equally look at it as just a saying that means “the furthest part of the planet we know about”

I also don’t see why the earth being flat would turn anybody towards god. There’s plenty of people who believe in god now so why would the earth not being round make people care more about god?

To me the flat earth agenda is being pushed by NASA. Some of the footage looks awful (especially the ISS stuff). That’s not to say I believe NASA haven’t been to the moon or anything like that, just that some of the footage looks poor.

NASA released the footage and conflated people who question the footage with flat earth believers. Obviously once you do that the general public will dismiss any criticism of the footage as they won’t want to be lumped in with flat earthers.

Even if the NASA footage is 100% fake that doesn’t mean the earth is flat. The Greeks realised the earth was round thousands of years ago. Even if photographic proof doesn’t exist it doesn’t mean it’s not round

I respect your decision to have faith that this is what's going on.

You can see satellites, which are no bigger than the size of a school bus, over 100 miles away in the night sky with your naked eye? Please tell me you realize how ridiculous that sounds.

I really don't have to prove anything as there is no proof satellites are hovering in space. Rockets may go up but they come right back down and there is plenty of video evidence showing this. I have yet to see any actual footage of satellites in space. Until there is, I really don't need to prove it as there is no evidence they are up there in the first place.

Have you ever read allegory of the cave? You're an example of someone who calls out the main prisoner and rallies the rest of the prisoners to refuse to go outside the cave.