The gentle person's guide to forum spies. Shills hate it!!

0  2018-03-21 by RMFN

239 comments

S.s. the shills hate this document. Wonder why.. Read it and you'll instantly see. I order to effectively browse this forum every person should read this.

What is it like to see shills everywhere you look? It must be nice to think everyone that thinks different than you only does it because they're being paid.

Lol where did I say everyone is a shill?

... Not everyone is a shill. But shills exist. Shills follow a very specific linguistic patten of deception. It's formulaic.

You deny shills exist?

You deny shills exist?

Strawman. You're a shill.

You deny shills exist?

Strawman. That's Disinformation Rule #4, you're a shill.

Subject resorts to attack upon a request for a clarification of their position.

He never denied shills exist, you put words in his mouth with a leading question. Rather than ask "Clarify how common you think shills are?" you instead went with "Are you saying shills don't exist?" which he never said anything close to.

It's a strawman by a leading rhetorical question.

It's a strawman by a leading rhetorical question.

He never denied shills exist, you put words in his mouth with a leading question. Rather than ask "Clarify how common you think shills are?" you instead went with "Are you saying shills don't exist?" which he never said anything close to.

They definitely implied that shills aren't a problem.

No, they just implied that you're a paranoiac who thinks everyone who disagrees with is a shill.

No, they just implied that you're a paranoiac who thinks everyone who disagrees with you is a shill. That's it.

Did I say someone in particular is a shill?

#9 Play Dumb

You don't think conspiracy has a problem with shills?

#14 Change the subject

This is not going well for you, honey.

This is not going well for you, honey.

Oh sweetie, I beg to differ.

No, they just implied that you're a paranoiac who thinks everyone who disagrees with you is a shill.

Reported for ridiculous straw man.

I was characterizing another person's post's implications, but damn, you're really desperate to silence me, aren't you?

That isn't a strawman, he is asking you a question.

See my other reply, it's a leading rhetorical question.

It isn't a rhetorical question because the person he asked might genuinely not believe shills exist.

Keep up.

#9 Play Dumb.

Yes, you are.

Dear lord, you and poor RMFN are getting owned in this thread. Kinda sad.

Dear lord, you and poor RMFN are getting owned in this thread. Kinda sad.

Ugh /r/rickandmorty is leaking again..

You paste that around a lot. Do you watch the show?

I watched some but honestly and I bet this sounds so granpa, I really am sick of cartoons.

Agreed cartoons are degenerate.

Rule 10

How much more evidence do we need?

Satire. My entire premise this whole thread is that violating these rules is not a sound basis for a shill accusation.

Msg the mods for a reversal. I'm driving.

You're comments are satire now? What a joke..

I think 99% of the people here that are called shills are actual people that are voicing their own opinions. I believe calling people shills is a copout a lot of users use once they can't argue the facts anymore.

Did I call anyone a shill?

https://ibb.co/fApBcx you are calling for three users you believe are shills to be banned here. At least one of them got banned earlier today for you.

I do like how you skipped over everything else I mentioned though.

Read what I said in your link. Did I call them shills? Yes or no?

Did you use the word shill? No. Did you imply they were? Yes.

Why do you ask everyone if shills exist?

Do shills exist?

Do shills exist?

Yes but do shills exist?

Already answered that exact same question.

This document really explained the behavior of certain accounts that like to frequent this sub.

It's pure gold. And they really hate when it's brought up.

...and don't forget about their down vote bots that manage the hot tub. They hammered this post.

Hammered!

Quite relavant Rocky. Thank you for your contribution. .

/r/rockran is pretty cute by the way.

You're welcome, and thanks for the sub mention. But be careful, supporting my endeavors may cause people to think you work with me.

I actually might miss you.

Not if Conspiracy_Conclave listens to you.

Not if Conspiracy_Conclave or whatever that Batcave is listens to you.

I am actually in the running for top mod here. But you've been a friend for so long I won't ban you. We disagree yes, but you, rocky, are not a shill. Maybe a tiny bit if a jerk, but definitely not a shill.

I love you rockran. You provide meaning in my life.

If you're an honest mod you wouldn't have a choice.

Because an honest mod would stick to the rules. Which so far doesn't include any of that persona non grata bullshit Sabremesh wants to bring in.

If you're an honest mod you wouldn't have a choice.

Because an honest mod would stick to the rules. Which so far doesn't include any of that 'persona non grata' nonsense Sabremesh wants to bring in.

Someone attacking the sub is against the rules.

No comment. Go read the rules a little closer lmao

No comment.

How many words is that?


It's not attacking the sub if it's not this sub.

Exactly.

I edited my comment above a billion times fyi

I edited my comment above a billion times fyi

That's why I have begun to quote most is what you say.

mm, but you missed the first edit.

So you're not as fast as you think you are.

mm, but you missed the first edit.

So you're not as fast as you think you are.

Doesn't matter. Just as long as I have proof that you were commenting it's all good.

So hows the wife?

So hows the wife?

*Girlfriend, and she is great. How's your man?

Pretty good, always by my side, frequently handy. Enjoys a bit of finger pointing, getting a bit calloused but otherwise we're connected at the wrist.

You believe in objective truth now?

I believe that setting up a list of rules, then banning people outside of that list of rules is sum seeeerious bullshit.

I believe that setting up a list of rules, then banning people outside of that list of rules is sum seeeerious bullshit.

The conclave was using the existing rule structure to crack down on known provocateurs. Is that a bad thing?

What existing rule on this sub is there to enforce 'persona non grata'

What existing rule on this sub is there to enforce 'persona non grata'?


Double points: Why are people who have previously been banned from /r/conspiracy, permitted to comment in a sub dedicated to the alleged improvement of /r/conspiracy?

The rule of attacking the sub, a person who is against every conspiracy theory is attacking the sub. It's not hard to hermeneutically interpret the rules in that way.

Ask whoever invited people. I don't even know exactly who invited me..

Telling people they're wrong, isn't attacking this sub.

Unless you're as fragile as an aged hip.

A consistent behavior of implying people are mentally ill, of nay saying without any positive contribution, of disregard for evidence, and a repeated use of fallacies are all attacks on the sub and users herein.

No.

Just no.

Why not?

My logic is flawless. Not fallacious.

You're different. I don't think you're a shill. I just think you're a negative Nancy.

aka my logic is flawless.

A negative nancy worthy of your voting for me in the conspiracy_conclave thread.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You don't think you should have been named?

No comment. View my primary sub for more.

Maybe

Definitely

Do shills exist?

Of course.

M'lord.

The "25 rules of disinformation" are almost entirely just dumb, disingenuous tactics that everyday people resort to when they're losing an argument or have a weak position, strawmanning being the most obvious example.

The "25 rules of disinformation" are almost entirely just dumb, disingenuous tactics that everyday people resort to when they're losing an argument or have a weak position, strawmanning being the most obvious example. I can imagine how someone trying to mess with a forum might do them deliberately, but more often than not this list is just used as a basis to call someone a shill for actually just being a bad arguer (and, usually, by someone ELSE who is ALSO a bad arguer).

Subject attempts to deny the validity of the tactics in the link provided. Duly noted.

5 Sidetracking with ridicule

7 Question motives

#5 Sidetracking with ridicule

#7 Question motives

You're a shill RMFN, you're proving it for all of us to see with these obvious uses of the Rules of Disinformation.

Subject, u/anontifa, chooses to use accusations instead of a argument.

This is literally what you did in response to my arguments:

Subject attempts to deny the validity of the tactics in the link provided. Duly noted.

You're doing it now! No responses to arguments, just accusations.

Again, what exactly is your argument?

That thus document is false?

The "25 rules of disinformation" are almost entirely just dumb, disingenuous tactics that everyday people resort to when they're losing an argument or have a weak position, strawmanning being the most obvious example. I can imagine how someone trying to mess with a forum might do them deliberately, but more often than not this list is just used as a basis to call someone a shill for actually just being a bad arguer (and, usually, by someone ELSE who is ALSO a bad arguer).

Again, what exactly is your argument?

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The "25 rules of disinformation" are almost entirely just dumb, disingenuous tactics that everyday people resort to when they're losing an argument or have a weak position, strawmanning being the most obvious example.

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That thus document is false?

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I can imagine how someone trying to mess with a forum might do them deliberately, but more often than not this list is just used as a basis to call someone a shill for actually just being a bad arguer (and, usually, by someone ELSE who is ALSO a bad arguer).

Okay, I did not post the 25 rules of disinformation. This is the gentle person's guide..

It includes the 25 rules.

Clearly it is included but it's not the entire document.

#14 Demand complete solutions

Lol, you don't know when to give up.

Here's my question: name a current issue on which you think red team clearly takes a superior position to blue team?

#17 Change the Subject

"Subject"

😂😂😂😂

Did I link to riles of disinformation?

Are you trying to associate my link with something it's not?

The rules you linked are broad and numerous enough they can be applied to almost anything with a little spin. You're going to get called shill a lot in this thread. Probably should've seen that coming.

You're going to get called shill a lot in this thread.

Lol, because shills go out of their way to explain the methods that shills use to disrupt online discussions? Hilariously desperate, and reported.

#24

Did you bother reading the fucking link?

Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.

According to the shill defenders in this thread, reporting obvious trolling is the same as literally assassinating people. Lol, so desperate.

It's still silencing.

God you're dense

Did I link to riles of disinformation?

Yes, they're part of the "Gentleman's guide" you linked. Not reading the links they forward to you for dissemination, huh?

I'm just having a hard time understanding why you choose the sub title to attack instead of the main title. That isn't covered in any of the documents I've been sent.

I'm not attacking a sub title, I'm attacking the content, which I know you didn't even read because I had to inform you it included the 25 rules for disinformation.

....

I'm not attacking a sub title, I'm attacking the content, which I know you didn't even read because I had to inform you it included the 25 rules for disinformation.

Your tone is just so toxic..

Labeling everybody who disagrees with you a "shill" is toxic.

Who did I label a shill?

Do shills exist?

You're a shill RMFN

Let's preserve that for the mods, u/Anontifa.

Rule #523: Take users out of context and pretend not to recognize satire in order to silence them with a ban.

Do shills exist?

Why can't you just respond to my actual arguments?

Oh right, Rule #9.

Why can't you just respond to my actual arguments? Why do you always try to start an entirely new line of questioning with each reply you make?

Oh right, Rule #9.

Subject claims I did not address their points of distraction.

6

You're mad I'm using your sratagies better than you can?

\$18

Oh, interesting. You're calling me a shill for trying to help people identify shills? That's pretty low..

I'm calling you a shill insincerely, to demonstrate my original point, which is that these "Rules" are usually just shitty tactics that ordinary people resort to when they're bad at arguing.

I'm calling you a shill insincerely, to demonstrate my original point, which is that these "Rules" are usually just shitty tactics that ordinary people resort to when they're bad at arguing. I'm calling you an ordinary person who's not very good at arguing, not a shill. That's my whole point, has been from the start.

So you admit shills exist?

"Admit" implies I at some point denied it, #4 Strawman

Did I say normal people don't use those "mistskes" from time to time? No. And people do use them. But the shills exclusively use known provocateur tactics. Do you deny that?

Did I say normal people don't use those "mistskes" from time to time? No. And people do use them.

Actually, this very thread is demonstrating that it's not just "from time to time" but actually almost constantly. In fact, with 25 rules to go to, there are actually very few things you can say which can't easily be spun into one of the rules.

In other words, like I said, this list isn't really useful for identifying shills, since it generates a constant stream of false positives. Do you know what a false positive is?

But the shills exclusively use known provocateur tactics. Do you deny that?

No, that's stupid. Shills use all kinds of tactics, not just these ones. Sometimes the best tactic for them to use is to just present a coherent, logical argument that the other person isn't prepared to refute.

Did I say normal people don't use those "mistskes" from time to time? No. And people do use them.

Actually, this very thread is demonstrating that it's not just "from time to time" but actually almost constantly. In fact, with 25 rules to go to, there are actually very few things you can say which can't easily be spun into one of the rules.

In other words, like I said, this list isn't really useful for identifying shills, since it generates a constant stream of false positives. Do you know what a false positive is?

But the shills exclusively use known provocateur tactics. Do you deny that?

No, that's stupid. Shills use all kinds of tactics, not just these ones. Sometimes the best tactic for them to use is to just present a coherent, logical argument that the other person isn't prepared to refute.

By known provocateur tactics I don't just mean what's in the op. There are other known behaviors that are not in such a nice concise package.

How familure are you with nlp?

I asked if you know what a false positive is, why did you ignore that entirely to ask another question?

This is another tactic that anyone (provocateurs, cops, regular people) will use to control a discussion. Ignore questions asked, always be the one asking questions.

This conversation is fucking hilarious. Nicely done!

Mate, you're just embarrassing yourself. Better delete this whole thread and step away.

Mate, you're just embarrassing yourself. Better delete this whole thread and step away.

Looool.

You are like the proverbial pigeon playing chess.

You are like the proverbial pigeon playing chess.

I bet I would whoop your ass in chess.

I’ll play you RMFN. Do you have chess.com?

It should be pretty easy to guess my handle.

Sweet. I’m a bit rusty but should be fun. Will msg you in an hour or so if that’s okay

Feel free to. I'm down for pretty much any time constraint.

Shot you a friend req I believ

Let's play

come back online let's do it 10 min live

hey?

I'm on. Want to play a specific time constraint? 5/5 minutes?

i'm on too. it showed you offline and then said you just went offline. click on play > live chess

GG. You played well. But you definitely have some YouTube videos to watch!

Indeed! I used to play a quite a bit but I haven't for a few years. I was never all that good though, I think my old account was at a 700 or something. Any videos you'd recommend?

Hmm, I haven't watched any in so long but, gingerGM is very entertaining and John Bartholomew is solid. Both have very different play styles so you'll get some excellent contrast. Will be exited to see you around ~1100.

You are gaslighting u/RMFN.

Turn the lights, turn the lights down lowwwwwwwwww.

Well you said here that you conclave members orchestrated the conclave leak which would have involved some shilling to get it spread about.

So I'm gonna say yes, shills exist.

Yep. Everything is going according to plan.

Sure is 😋

I'm flattered that you recommended me to be silenced!

;*

Who cares really? Take in information, do your own research, decide for yourself. Take things from users that are unsourced with a grain of salt.

Unless you really need some kind of boogeyman. In that case carry on.

Unless you really need some kind of boogeyman.

They do. They need the librul boogeyman be it Hillary or that Hogg kid or Obama or SJWs or...without them they have nothing. And why?

Right wing ideology has been exposed as a scam, a lie. Be it trickle down or deregulation or tax cuts for job creators or family values etc etc. They have no ideology to fall back on so it's strawmen and whataboutism and demonizing the opponent.

Unless you really need some kind of boogeyman.

They do. They need the librul boogeyman be it Hillary or that Hogg kid or Obama or SJWs or...without them they have nothing. And why?

Right wing ideology has been exposed as a scam, a lie. Be it trickle down or deregulation or tax cuts for job creators or family values etc etc. They have no ideology to fall back on so it's strawmen and whataboutism and demonizing the opponent.

You know I'm a anarcho monarchist right? A liberal ideology... Go straw man yourself. Not every outspoken person here is a Trump supporter. Fuck Trump. Fuck Hillary. They are both two sides of the same coin.

Nobody who is a real conspiracy theorist likes the known actor Trump. Only plebs are fooled by the false right left dichotomy provided by our shadowy masters.

Sorry, not really interested in your personal manifesto. Matter of fact, it kinda sets up a flag when someone starts revealing information to me like this. Those are the folks that 'over-explain' which is the hallmark of telling fibs.

So if you'd like my advice, tone down the outrage and reveal less info. It comes off a lot better to those you are trying to win over.

I bet you have never even heard of anarcho monarchism..

I will give you that but if my guess is correct, the pedes would love it with their god emperor shtick.

Tell me though, who gets to be the monarchism or do folks get to be king for a day?

The monarch is chosen from the general population by yearly trials, a round robin of arm wrestling and competitive slam poetry traditionally.

Okay now, that would be fun as hell but would probably mean we shift back into the dark ages.

I welcome the shift.

Nooooo, acceleration-ism is awful. Millions would die, we'd be having the Thunderdome run 24/7 and some dork would gain power and turn us into slaves for big weed.

Wait-

K. Nice opinion.

Sorry, not really interested in your personal manifesto. Matter of fact, it kinda sets up a flag when someone starts revealing information to me like this. Those are the folks that 'over-explain' which is the hallmark of telling fibs.

So if you'd like my advice, tone down the outrage and reveal less info. It comes off a lot better to those you are trying to win over.

What does it reveal?

Those are the folks that 'over-explain' which is the hallmark of telling fibs.

You're hiding something like an agenda.

Another thought struck me reading this thread:

People not only don't know what's happening to them, they don't even know that they don't know.

― Noam Chomsky

So what's my agenda?

I have my theories.

See, I've been on reddit for a long time and with that, you recognize the same shtick over and over.

I do think you should try and enjoy the subs more and the liberals that dominate reddit. There are a lot of really good people among the liberal ranks.

And FTR, I have a ton of conservative friends hell, half my living relatives are Trump supporters :D

... I am a liberal.

Cool. I bet we share a lot of the same ideals.

I find reddit to be full of good people generally. Sometimes a bit misguided but mostly good people.

I agree. Lots of friendly folks.

I definitely do not support Trump.

Sorry, not really interested in your personal manifesto. Matter of fact, it kinda sets up a flag when someone starts revealing information to me like this. Those are the folks that 'over-explain' which is the hallmark of telling fibs.

You are attempting to manipulate u/RMFN with disingenuous, gaslighting comments in the hopes of discouraging them from contributing content to r/conspiracy any more, or else breaking a rule and getting banned. This is despicable.

k, thanks for the input.

The tone says it all.

anarcho monarchist

Monarchy is meaningless without the state. Anarchy coexisting with the state is also incoherent.

You obviously know nothing of anarcho monarchism...

Enlighten me.

“I’m a polytheistic Christian.”

“wut...”

“You obviously know nothing about Christian polytheism”

Catholicism is demonstrably polytheistic... What is Satan? Who are the saints? Veneration of the goddess? Naaa you're right it's just easily understood as the man in the sky religion.

We have you? I'd be happy to show you some literature.

Plenty of Normie subs for you to kvetch about Drumphs piss fetish.

Nope. Be here till your little club gets me banned for nothing. Until then you can enjoy my kvetching.

cheers my friend!

TheCIASellsDrugs

There are no left-wing shills on reddit!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html

Sweetie, did you mean this for someone else?

TheCIASellsDrugs

There are no left-wing shills on reddit!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html

Sweetie, did you mean this for someone else?

Note the subjects use of sweetie to demean the individual they engage.

Notice the subject ^ stalking other users in thread after thread.

Man this dude loves to call people out for being demeaning while also being demeaning himself. Its comical

This is a good litmus test.

Notice the answer? It's definitely a good question. They have a hard time giving their opinion for some reason...

This is reminding me of a conversation from many months ago... some "shill hunter" had discovered a foolproof method for detecting shills, which was to ask them if to say something negative about Hillary Clinton. The reasoning being that shills had signed contracts prohibiting making such statements. Was that you?

My method has nothing to do with political ideology. If you read this thread I clearly state that I use linguistic cues in syntax coupled with known provocateur tactics to determine a shill.

A lot of people are gonna balk at these "dance, monkey, dance" demands.

"Just ask him if he's a cop man. He's GOT to tell you."

Nothing to see here, citizen

Lol, no. It's tactics that I see in this sub every weekday from 9-5 EST, including this very thread.

I can imagine how someone trying to mess with a forum might do them deliberately, but more often than not this list is just used as a basis to call someone a shill for actually just being a bad arguer

List of dozens of admitted online shilling operations

US military buys software to facilitate astroturfing

US government spreading online propaganda became legal in 2013

US Air Force Base shill farm is most active city on reddit

Same Air Force Base sponsors research on how to manipulate public opinion online

GCHQ British intelligence shill farm

Now, answer u/RMFN's question, do shills exist or not?

Are they active on reddit or not?

You're my new best friend. Maybe boyfriend? I'm really cute!

Strawman. I never said they don't exist. I've only ever said that these "tactics" are mosty indistinguishable from plain and simple shitty argumentation.

Do you acknowledge the proven fact of shilling on reddit?

Go straw man yourself.

There's no such thing as shills. GMOs are good for you. You should get your kids vaccinated pronto unless you want them to die from polio. Truth is subjective so right and wrong don't exist. Monsanto will end starvation.

There's no such thing as shills. GMOs are good for you. You should get your kids vaccinated pronto unless you want them to die from polio. Truth is subjective so right and wrong don't exist. Monsanto will end starvation.

You're growing on me. ;)

Excellent demonstration of Rules for Disinformation #4 !

You really don't like us using your play book do you?

#7 Question Motives

#18 Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.

Jesus OP you're getting assaulted by the usual suspects lol

They really hate that document

They really do. Look at what they are saying to me. Lol I'm going to post this daily from here on out judging from the excellent response I'm getting.

They're actually really really quick to identify the rules when used against them

It's almost as if... they were familiar already with them :thinking:

Ohhhhhhhh

Right...because its incredibly difficult to cross reference a list provided by OP and compare it to his comments.

I'm going to repost it. Let's rub their nose in it.

This thread in itself is a crash course in provocateur tactics of deflection.

#7 Question Motives

#7 Question Motives

What are your motives?

My sole motive, this entire thread, has been to make you look in the mirror and realize you use shitty argument tactics constantly and by your own list here I could easily conclude you're a shill. Thus, either you actually are a shill, or this list generates so many false positives as to be useless.

My sole motive, this entire thread, has been to make you look in the mirror and realize you, RMFN, use shitty argument tactics constantly and by your own list here I could easily conclude you're a shill. Thus, either you actually are a shill, or this list generates so many false positives as to be useless.

Are all of the tactics bad? I never said they weren't useful or that they were bad. I just said they can be used to identify specific behavior.

Real people do use these tactics from time to time. But shills exclusively post using known, not only what's in the link, provocateur tactics.

Are all of the tactics bad?

If you're trying to have an honest discussion? Yes. They're all either distractions, disingenuous, or purposely destructive to discourse.

I just said they can be used to identify specific behavior.

And I'm saying they can't because there are so many false positives. Maybe if someone used every single one, but even a regular person like you will often use 5 or 6 of them in a single discussion.

Real people do use these tactics from time to time.

Real people use them constantly.

But shills exclusively post using known, not only what's in the link, provocateur tactics.

No they don't, sometimes they use "good" tactics, that is to say, logically sound arguments based on facts. That can be all you need if your opponent is less well-versed. Sometimes they just spam stories along a single narrative (like you do every few weeks with pornography). Sometimes they pull people aside and connect with them emotionally to build a personal bond (white nationalists do this a lot to get recruits).

Are all of the tactics bad?

If you're trying to have an honest discussion? Yes. They're all either distractions, disingenuous, or purposely destructive to discourse.

I just said they can be used to identify specific behavior.

And I'm saying they can't because there are so many false positives. Maybe if someone used every single one, but even a regular person like you will often use 5 or 6 of them in a single discussion.

Real people do use these tactics from time to time.

Real people use them constantly.

But shills exclusively post using known, not only what's in the link, provocateur tactics.

No they don't, sometimes they use "good" tactics, that is to say, logically sound arguments based on facts. That can be all you need if your opponent is less well-versed. Sometimes they just spam stories along a single narrative (like you do every few weeks with pornography). Sometimes they pull people aside and connect with them emotionally to build a personal bond (white nationalists do this a lot to get recruits).

This is good. Lots here to dissect.

You're saying my method cannot be used to identify shills but do you have any evidence? Or is it just something you're going to repeat?

You're saying my method cannot be used to identify shills but do you have any evidence?

Do you have any evidence that it can be used to detect shills? How many of the users you have flagged with this method have said "oops, you caught me" ?

I didn't see u/RMFN do that once. You sound desperate to convince us that no shills exist on reddit, when it's an easily proven fact. Why do you keep dodging questions about whether shills are on reddit? While we're at it, let's see if you're even participating here in good faith:

Did the CIA cover up the Kennedy assassination?

Does the CIA sell drugs?

Does the CIA illegally spy on Americans?

Did Barack Obama work for the CIA?

Does the CIA routinely overthrow legitimate governments around the world?

Does the CIA exist to keep us safe?

Does the FBI infiltrate and entrap leaders of political movements?

The answers to these questions will be interesting.

You sound desperate to convince us that no shills exist on reddit,

Nope. He's arguing that this "method" for detecting shills will just generate false positives and cause real users to turn on eachother.

Ahh, its TheCIASellsDrugs' daily delivery of his gatekeeping manifesto...

The fact that I can't pass a simple shibboleth is gatekeeping, REEEEE!

A shibboleth is any custom or tradition, particularly a speech pattern, that distinguishes one group of people (an ingroup) from others (outgroups).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PDJcw9oJt0

Your entire posting history is a crash course in apophenia.

Your entire posting history is a crash course in apophenia.

For example?

You. See. Shills. Everywhere.

You. Are. Textbook.

Perception is everything.

Ok, I admit it. I'm a shill. I've spent 11 years carefully cultivating my persona on reddit.

First I created a bunch of subs and ran them pretty decently. Poetry, Florida Gators, College Baseball etc. All a clever ruse and year in the making.

And it all leads to right now. Now I have legitimacy and can take over r/conspiracy and, uh...wait, what would be the point of me being a shill on this sub?

And I took a different path, I ditched all my previous IDs and created a fresh one to come back and infiltrate r/conspiracy.

But we gotta face it, r/politics seems to be a canned and paid heaven and it is harder to find an actual human there except on the new page.

The top comments on the hot page are a steady stream of the same third way DNC talking points, over and over again according to each topic.

This is exactly what the 'shill' screamers here don't get. We like to argue, plain and simple. We are shills for Big Argue.

Damn right!

Then make an argument. All I see from you are fallacies.

Dude, your account is notorious for promoting propaganda for Soka Gakkai. Of all the accounts that have no business commenting on this post, yours ranks highest.

Ok, I admit it. I'm a shill. I've spent 11 years carefully cultivating my persona on reddit.

I agree. Most likely a purchased account, but I definitely agree with your statement that you are a shill. You are disingenuous, never support your arguments with sources, and are now trying to get out in front of the accusations for any mods that are suspicious that you are either a brigader or a paid shill.

I am /u/daysOFdelusion, who do you think I am?

Oh I have to disagree I used to argue with Garyp714 over in politics and I have been here about 7 years.

I think you mean since we aren't conservative Trump supporters we are automatically shills.

What is with you guys and obsessing over specific upvote numbers? Why would shills upvote their own posts to specific, matching values? Wouldn't they fuzz the numbers to conceal their actions?

Why do you pay attention to evidence of vote manipulation?

Why are poorly-paid, barely literate people not good at their job?

Agreeing with me when I say I'm a shill is violating the rules, REEEEEE!

Why are poorly-paid, barely literate people not good at their job?

They would have to go out of their way to create the evidence that you think you are observing. It's completely nonsensical.

Take notes.

Take names.

ITT: OP posts list of generic tactics used to derail conversations since the beginning of time.

Proceeds to use said tactics himself in response to comments.

Self awareness still a WIP.

Are all of the tactics bad? I never said they weren't useful or that they were bad. I just said they can be used to identify specific behavior.

Real people do use these tactics from time to time. But shills exclusively post using known, not only what's in the link, provocateur tactics.

You deny shills exist?

Strawman. You're a shill.

I think 99% of the people here that are called shills are actual people that are voicing their own opinions. I believe calling people shills is a copout a lot of users use once they can't argue the facts anymore.

#9 Play Dumb.

I actually might miss you.

If you're an honest mod you wouldn't have a choice.

Because an honest mod would stick to the rules. Which so far doesn't include any of that 'persona non grata' nonsense Sabremesh wants to bring in.

Someone attacking the sub is against the rules.

You're saying my method cannot be used to identify shills but do you have any evidence?

Do you have any evidence that it can be used to detect shills? How many of the users you have flagged with this method have said "oops, you caught me" ?

The fact that I can't pass a simple shibboleth is gatekeeping, REEEEE!

Hammered!