Posting sales at actual stores. Every purchase that was an actual firearm required a background check. It was basically links to ads online, or sales online.
An online purchase would be shipped to a local firearm dealer and all federal and local laws for purchase were owed from background check, to FID if required in the purchasers state, to registration if their state required.
I wouldn't worry. There are four other sites like reddit I use that have very active conspiracy forums.
If we ditch reddit with lightning speed for these other forums, the people that have been making money off us on reddit will suddenly have no revenue..
Same with /r/gunsforsale. At least that one sort of makes sense with their new rules, but it's still dumb. I never even bought or sold anything there but it was fun to browse and I liked to use it for price checking.
First they came for the Muslims and I did not speak out because I am not a Muslim.
Then they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because i am not a communist.
Then they came for the globalists, and i did not speak out because I am not a globalist.
Then they came for the SJWs and I did not speak out because I am not a SJW.
Then they pretty much saw that all the problems had been fixed so they stopped coming for people. America was great again and everyone lived happily ever after.
You realize you're choosing to troll people instead of making money off your account, then making fun of anticapiltalists right? You're literally making fun of yourself.
It's a rather large leap to equate a private company moderating their community to protect their corporate image and avoid controversy to... whatever it is you seem to be equating it to.
For those that didn't know, /r/gundeals was just for posting links to other sites that had good deals on guns and ammo. There was no selling of guns like a Craigslist ads, although there were dealers that would post their own links.
This is such bullshit as that was a very well moderated sub.
Exactly. I wouldn’t be surprised if some bad actors were using the comments to illegally sell guns (bypassing FFL and background checks) but that could happen anywhere on Reddit that you’re allowed to comment.
People could even make dummy accounts to do this just to give admins and excuse to shut it down. Some suspect that many of the crazy racist and violent comments on here are geared towards the same goal. Or drug posts on crypto threads.
They really couldn't though, because that subreddit only allowed links to actual FFLs, so any purchases would be done off of Reddit and through these dealers. Palmetto State Armory and Midway USA aren't going to sell to someone with a legal firearm transfer.
I was talking about criminals illegally selling weapons. What do you mean? That anti gun people would post on gun subreddits to make them look bad and get banned?
What do you mean? That anti gun people would post on gun subreddits to make them look bad and get banned?
Yeah, I feel like SRS or politics would definitely post "things that are against the rules" for subs they don't like to get them banned.
I'm saying, perhaps there weren't actual weapons being sold illegally...but people who wanted to shut the sub down. Selling a firearm illegally is a fucking felony...I definitely wouldn't do that over reddit.
I think it’s possuble but seems more likely that the Reddit admins are virtue signaling, trying to avoid any future controversies they can and protect themselves from any legislation that makes them more liable for what their users do. Just my take though.
And I’m sure there are somewhere on Reddit, people seem to have no problem committing all sorts of felonies on Reddit, whether it’s sharing illegal pornography, selling drugs, or illegally selling guns.
I'm not saying it happened. I'm saying it's very plausible, and there's absolutely no way of knowing. For reddit to ban a well moderated sub who removed those posts when they were found...it shows that they wanted them gone...and we all know reddit admins have a heavy anti-gun bias. Even though "anti-gun" just means the government, the rich, and criminals have guns...not that guns go away.
I was browsing the sub regularly for a long while and I never saw that, don't just throw stuff like that out there. You'd have to use armslist for such things and even then it's not illegal.
I’m not accusing them of anything, but there definitely have been comments either implicitly stating or implying that if you PM them they could sell you a firearm. I also browsed the subreddit daily and while it wasn’t common there were definitely comments removed for trying to sell guns, usually with people referring them to other subs that allowed that sort of thing. It wasn’t common and the mods always dealt with it quickly so I don’t think /r/gundeals should’ve been banned.
I wasn’t talking about legal sales, obviously there’s ways to legally ship and sell a firearm from one owner to another, Armslist being one of them. However, it IS illegal to agree to a sale in PM on Reddit and then ship covertly to another user without an FFL involved. Obviously this may not apply to every state as gun laws vary greatly
Well because the anonymous admin account they created specifically for this announcement didn't say they did anything wrong when asked about it. They just said the new policy forbids anything that even facilitates the transactions at all, including sharing coupons.
I really don't get why the went after those subs. I mean there's subs that you can go see people getting shot in the face or ran over, but better not try to get a deal on a gun or trade beer.
Literally the only sub I frequent on reddit. It's unfortunate, too, because not only was it well-moderated, but it was very much a friendly atmosphere of people trying to help others save money.
I'm frustrated that they take such a clearly political step versus trying to curb illegal activity that has always been on Reddit. I've never seen a single deal on /r/gundeals that was illegal, and i've been browsing that bitch for years for the better part of each day, just keeping a tab open in case some major deal came about.
As a creepy conspiracy dude who lurks and checks out other people's post history, I'm calling bullshit here. You post in /r/frugalmalefashion almost exclusively.
I guess you need to keep digging. I check that other sub on occasion, but I lived on /r/gundeals. I posted deals whenever they were stellar, but most of my posts are trying to help out fellow gun guys on 'this or that' or 'what's your experience with X'.
Guns are my hobby and my passion. Look into the content of those posts and you'll see that I was actually providing informed advice.
You can order a stripped lower, meaning just the polymer frame and then add the parts you want. It’s not cheaper than buying a factory Glock, but it is cheaper to build your own than buy a factory Glock and replace the barrel, trigger, sights, slide etc
Here's one that was the first site like these, been around since 2006 and is run by and maintained by the users. Not affiliated with any of the the others that now bear a similar name. www.gun-deals.com
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What was illegal about the subreddit? They linked to legal gun sales from licensed retailers and manufacturers. It wasn’t user to user sales, think something like /r/Gamedeals vs /r/gamesale
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Hm.. for some reason I thought there were federal laws regulating private gun sales, but apparently they vary by state. It would seem this is an optics/ethics choice by reddit then.
You’re posting about something you know nothing about. It wasn’t p2p gun sales on that sub, it was deals from vendors. I fail to see how that is illegal.
Someone in the announcement thread had the theory it might be related to this. Basically this bill is going to expand the amount of liability a website has for any illegal content that takes place on their site. Even though 99% of the subreddits being banned by this were doing nothing illegal.
Ya, I remember the topics on that here on reddit last month. If reddit is worried about that then I think they have a lot more subs to be removing.
I think it's more of optic for investors and their plan of going public in the near future. http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/reddit-ipo-1202613811/ Start getting stuff cleaned up now instead of a few months before so they can say they have been proactive on this stuff and not just a reaction to an upcoming IPO.
Maybe, but this seems like a really weird list of subreddits to make investors happy. Who cares about stuff like BeerSwap or BrassSwap? I doubt most advertisers or investors had even heard of either of those. But then there's stuff like /r/shoplifting that seems to come up in LegalAdvice or various drama threads nearly every week, and is actually about something illegal. And yet it's still here.
It's funny. Reddit couldn't contain themselves when they thought ISPs might throttle their data yet have been completely silent on their government attempting to force social platforms into policing and censoring the speech of their users.
Packet neutrality is a must, content neutrality is optional... apparently.
I wouldn't say completely quiet. A lot of users have complained about this. Though it is surprising that websites themselves haven't been more vocal about this. It seems like none of them will benefit from this law since it opens them up to more liability. I guess no one wants to be seen as the one speaking out against a so-called "anti sex trafficking law".
Yeah, same. Honestly it feels like we're entering a new era of the internet, where places like Reddit are heavily censored and places like Voat are where the racists and anti-semites congregate. It seems like there's no middle ground of a site. We need a new Reddit that is more like the old Reddit.
You're describing a utopia which cannot exist. If you are a proponent of free speech you have to accept that people will exercise it to extreme lengths just because they can. The only way to curtail that type of behavior is through heavy moderation - censorship - or mass-shaming of that population by the userbase, which will only serve to create more extremists.
Anti-semitism is prejudice against the Jewish religion. Many antisemites will tie race into it, but Jews were persecuted long before the modern concept of race.
That's what happens when you ban all communities considered toxic. They just move some place else. Personally I don't mind voat. Is there lots of racist stuff? sure, but that's the price for freedom of speech. You can't have it both ways.
It’s really racist but I mean just don’t look at the links that are obviously racist because it’s not hidden or a trick. I’ve been going there much more recently because its content is natural.
If I browse voat will that be held against me someday? Like, am I hurting future job prospects if I wanted to work for the FBI or something? I don't consider myself racist but am fully supportive of the free speech atmosphere over there (even though i obviously disagree). Do I need to VPN up to browse voat or am I being paranoid? I just want my gun deals back....
the voat hate is funny to me, they can just migrate there and take it over en masse and post hillary clinton all day long. voat doesn't curate like reddit does, it is a free speech site.
Yeah, I honestly feel like a lot of the bullshit in Voat was coordinated by Reddit corporate to discourage people from going there, and tbh it worked. I don't go there anymore because of all the blatant racism and anti semitism. If that was their goal, it was 100% effective.
Its not so much about cleaning it up, but getting users to the site who are somewhat normal. I don't care if its Liberal, conservative, etc. - just people who want to use the site as its meant to be used; For news and discussions. The huge amount of crazy racist stuff on Voat is a turn off for many people. That content just needs to get diluted so that regular people can be comfortable using the site.
The mass influx of Reddit users would clean it up. The bad stuff would be filtered out or pushed out. We are the ones who make post visable and vice versa.
They want you to leave. They even gaslight with posts every so often saying how we should ditch reddit or youtube, but it's really just so they can get an echochamber.
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From the thread. Exactly. They are shaping the narrative. Nothing more.
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[+1] 288 points an hour ago*
If you can shirk the legal responsibility as easily as you just have, by saying
Reddit is not intended to be used as a marketplace and takes no responsibility for any transactions individual users might decide to undertake in spite of this.
Why are you bothering to get in the way of some of the communities on here in the first place? Not your responsibility, apparently.
I wish reddit admins would take a much, much more hands off approach. The activities of a subreddit are the responsibility of it's members and moderators. Reddit admins should just manage the tech stack and tooling.
Edit: before more people armchair lawyer at me, unless you can provide a link to some statute or another clearly stating how a platform is held responsible for the crimes of its users, don't bother. Secondly, I'm not even of the opinion that the above is a reasonable path. I do know however, that the more hands off a platform, the more legal buffer they have.
But because it was the Internet, the posts were anonymous. So instead, the firm sued Prodigy, the online service that hosted the bulletin board.
Prodigy argued it couldn't be responsible for a user's post — like a library, it could not liable for what's inside its books. Or, in now-familiar terms: It's a platform, not a publisher.
The court disagreed, but for an unexpected reason: Prodigy moderated posts, cleaning up foul language. And because of that, the court treated Prodigy like a newspaper liable for its articles.
The law states:
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.47 U.S. Code § 230
The only change to this was last year, when a site was actively engaged in it's users adult and child sex trafficking, tightening the reigns. Not exactly reddit's MO."
The subreddit drama post has all of the known ones so far. Lots of Darknet subs, a bunch of gun subs, a bunch of alcohol, tobacco, and drug subs, and a few that actually focused on illegal activity.
Until now Reddit was actually fairly lenient on what went on here provided people kept to them selves. Most of the high profile subreddit banning's were the result of stuff like brigading and DDOSing.
I know, I checked Hickok45 and hes still up, not sure if announcement was FUD or just rolling out slowly. Policy has shut down channels of some manufactures.
They're not banning videos that have guns shooting. They're banning videos that have direct links to sales to purchase parts, and videos on assembling firearms and other odd ass shit.
Hickok and Demo Ranch should be fine... but its just a matter of time before they try to go after those channels.
Oh yeah, these digitally compressed photons representing a firearm that was being handled 5 years ago is going to make more guns exist in the world right now.
The SESTA/FOSTA is convienent scape goat. There's clearly a concerted effort to shut down free speech. Reddit is just starting with easy targets that not many will complain about. First they came for r/fakeids and I didn't say anything because I'm to old, then they came for r/dreammarket but I don't do drugs. You can blame Congress if you want they do suck, but the fact of the matter is Reddit didnt have to shut any of these subs down yet.
So you're mad - atleast in part - that Reddit shut these subs down in accordance to a new law passed instead of waiting for the final hour to implement legal accordance.
Yes, when you phrase your argument normally, without unnecessary rhetoric, it sounds really stupid.
Also, my larger point is that Reddit is using a legitimate soon to be law to roll up a bunch of forums that they just don't like and it seems to me that YouTube and Facebook are doing very similar things all at once. And I don't think it's because of the law.
/r/gundeals was a sub to just post deals. If Walmart had a sale on ammo, it'd be posted about there and then you'd still have to go through Walmart and legal channels to get the item. There was no sales done or anything illegal on that sub.
Hopefully this kills reddit and we can all move on with our lives.
It's clear the powers that be want control over the internet, in whatever way they can get it. It's a tool which is too powerful for them to lose control of.
Fake news, porn, trade and transactions, politics, ideas, anonymity, finance, creativity, movies, music... think of the children! They've stolen it from us.
Unless you're malleable and receptive to what the state wants you will never be allowed to have a prominent place on the web.
We need something else. We need to take this fight elsewhere. Unfortunately, it was a few hundred years since this last happened with the printing press, and it now might be a few hundred more.
This is the beginning of the end, or at least the beginning of a long period of boredom and banality.
I'd like to apologise to my great great grandchildren for not putting up enough of a fight.
I think you're looking too narrowly, because the internet and the printing press are essentially the same thing in terms of how they multiplied the ability to share information. It took several hundred years from the invention of the printing press to create a world where the developed nations were able to create an essentially equal opportunity for all.
Now we're in a phase where we're attempting to hash out the minutiae and everybody's vulnerable.
Yeah I can explain what I mean. Before I saw your comment I was laying down on my smartphone with meet the fockers on as background noise. But secretly I love that movie more than you will ever know. Ok back to business. Ok so the kratom sub. Oh boy where do I begin. To be really honest I want to keep this very short. I really don't have the time or the interest to not keep it short. The mods of that sub will ban anyone who speaks about kratom in a negative light. A large majority of the kratom fan boys love kratom so much. Cause it gets them high. But then they build a tolerance. But who cares cause that shit gets you so high if you get your right strain. Omg it got me off heroin. I'm saved. Lol yeah fucking right. Let's send a film crew to you and see how amazing your life is because of kratom. Oh wait. Your life ain't jack.
Do you think that's all kratom does? You want a dose of reality? Visit the quitting kratom sub. Fuck kratom. That shit destroyed my life. It's just as addicting as opioids. Seriously fuck kratom. I hope that shit gets banned. Can't wait to see all the kratom fanboys cry all over them selves. Stupid fucking freaks.
At the end of the day it's just a plant that's exploited for it's euphoric and high energy properties. The hype is unreal, cause it's just as addicting as street drugs. But the older I get the more I just want to eat healthy food and rid my body and mind of any kind of substance/supplements other than good food.
Not a huge fan of guns per say.. because my thoughts as a potential owner is that it'll more than likely end up as a hobby, and I personally can't justify hobbies where I have to spend money to enjoy my goods. Can't just go shoot a gun willy nilly. Gotta rent a lane and so on unless you have a friend with lane, closest range to me are 20 minutes away.
That being said, I browsed it frequently and many of my friends made purchases off it. Fuck Reddit for this honestly.
They would not ban cp and child abuse because it would have been anti Islamic but they will ban multiple subs of good people sharing a healthy hobby because it's popular with the right wing. Nice job reddit you earned yourself a boycott, you incestuous islamo-communists!
Been saying it for a couple years now. Reddit has been overtaken by the SJW's and soccer moms. Can't even make a sarcastic comment without everyone getting butthurt.
I don’t see /r/feminism make the front page of all, but I do see tumbler bashing, men’s rights, etc with regularity. I’d wager you just have extreme views that make it seem like everyone is on some other pole from you and throwing off your analysis.
Reddit is mostly young and male. And less than half identify as liberal, of which SJWs is but one subset. While there is a strong SJW contingent, when I look at /r/all I frequently see tumblrinaction, mens rights, kotakuinaction, etc. That's about as anti-SJW as you can get.
Could it be that you have an extreme conservative bias that colors your perception of what is on reddit?
This is only a problem because we allowed the web to become centralized around a few large hubs. It's not new either, websites banning some types of content based on arbitrary rules is as old as the internet. One could even say it's not censorship, it's "moderating your platform". The problem is that Youtube is so big and monopolistic that removing this content from Youtube effectively means removing it from the internet for a large chunk of the population.
If you don't want large monopolies to act as censors then don't put them in the position to do so. You're uploading your videos for free on their platforms, sometimes even expecting them to pay you for it. I can't really see how you can complain if they decide that they don't want to deal with your content anymore. Find another platform, that's how the internet is supposed to work.
I wouldn't worry. There are four other sites like reddit I use that have very active conspiracy forums.
If we ditch reddit with lightning speed for these other forums, the people that have been making money off us on reddit will suddenly have no revenue..
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1 talixansoldier 2018-03-21
Sounds illegal as fuck
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-03-21
selling guns is illegal as fuck or banning a sub is illegal as fuck?
1 talixansoldier 2018-03-21
Were people like mailing guns to each other? That's what it sounds like
1 yokouma 2018-03-21
They posted deals that you still have to be background checked for. It was not a craigslist type thing.
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-03-21
just people sharing information about gun deals.
1 trumplethinskins 2018-03-21
I visited that sub regularly and never saw anything below board.
I'm not saying it couldnt have happened, but Im genuinely curious if there is a real explanation for this.
1 jpGrind 2018-03-21
no. it was just an index of gun sales online. like r/buildapcsales
reddit is dead
1 SubSonicTheHedgehog 2018-03-21
Posting sales at actual stores. Every purchase that was an actual firearm required a background check. It was basically links to ads online, or sales online.
An online purchase would be shipped to a local firearm dealer and all federal and local laws for purchase were owed from background check, to FID if required in the purchasers state, to registration if their state required.
1 yokouma 2018-03-21
Sad to see.
1 towels_gone_wild 2018-03-21
I wouldn't worry. There are four other sites like reddit I use that have very active conspiracy forums.
If we ditch reddit with lightning speed for these other forums, the people that have been making money off us on reddit will suddenly have no revenue..
1 yokouma 2018-03-21
Agreed. Can you give us some names of the sites please?
1 PMmeYourFlipFlops 2018-03-21
+1 I only know of voat
1 towels_gone_wild 2018-03-21
"reddit alternatives"
1 p3dsimmer 2018-03-21
GLP? 4chan? Spill it.
1 towels_gone_wild 2018-03-21
Google-fu
1 Just_Call_Me_Cactus 2018-03-21
DuckDuckGo-fu. FTFY.
1 towels_gone_wild 2018-03-21
They didn't know about the "reddit alternatives". I didn't want to us DDG and have the user ask "what's that?"
1 Jonasbrotherslover11 2018-03-21
Honestly if we all migrated there we could make voat way better and clean it up
1 flyinglotus1983 2018-03-21
Voat, Minds, Gab, and ??????
1 NorthBlizzard 2018-03-21
They won't delete this sub
They'll just try to absorb it like they already have been, like /r/politics and their 50+ spam subs did to /r/all
1 cuntpuncherexpress 2018-03-21
does anyone know of an alternative that compiles deals? It was a very valuable resource when I was doing a few Glock builds
1 Th3_Admiral 2018-03-21
gun.deals is the only other good option I know of, and it's not nearly as good as the Reddit page. This really sucks.
1 EndOfDaysss 2018-03-21
It does. There are very few subs that I check daily. And gundeals was one of them
1 Th3_Admiral 2018-03-21
Same with /r/gunsforsale. At least that one sort of makes sense with their new rules, but it's still dumb. I never even bought or sold anything there but it was fun to browse and I liked to use it for price checking.
1 OT-GOD-IS-DEMIURGE 2018-03-21
And the purge continues
1 Bernie_beats_trump 2018-03-21
gun deals is literally terrorism
1 OT-GOD-IS-DEMIURGE 2018-03-21
That comment is terrorism
1 becomesthehunted 2018-03-21
lol
1 Doolimite 2018-03-21
Are you literally shaking ?
1 America_First_MAGA 2018-03-21
First they came for the Muslims and I did not speak out because I am not a Muslim.
Then they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because i am not a communist.
Then they came for the globalists, and i did not speak out because I am not a globalist.
Then they came for the SJWs and I did not speak out because I am not a SJW.
Then they pretty much saw that all the problems had been fixed so they stopped coming for people. America was great again and everyone lived happily ever after.
1 The_Quasi_Legal 2018-03-21
You realize you're choosing to troll people instead of making money off your account, then making fun of anticapiltalists right? You're literally making fun of yourself.
1 Doolimite 2018-03-21
LOL .... You win today
1 donnie_brasco 2018-03-21
And then I decided to make my own website were I could fill this niche and profit.
If there is such a need for this content, go make the new reddit and get paid
1 Tranchera 2018-03-21
It's a rather large leap to equate a private company moderating their community to protect their corporate image and avoid controversy to... whatever it is you seem to be equating it to.
1 Brad_Wesley 2018-03-21
Everyone who isn't 100% on board with the silicon valley way of thinking is doing wrong just by existing.
1 skepticalbob 2018-03-21
Its advertisers.
1 AlbanyHockey 2018-03-21
For those that didn't know, /r/gundeals was just for posting links to other sites that had good deals on guns and ammo. There was no selling of guns like a Craigslist ads, although there were dealers that would post their own links.
This is such bullshit as that was a very well moderated sub.
1 cuntpuncherexpress 2018-03-21
Exactly. I wouldn’t be surprised if some bad actors were using the comments to illegally sell guns (bypassing FFL and background checks) but that could happen anywhere on Reddit that you’re allowed to comment.
1 digiorno 2018-03-21
People could even make dummy accounts to do this just to give admins and excuse to shut it down. Some suspect that many of the crazy racist and violent comments on here are geared towards the same goal. Or drug posts on crypto threads.
1 Th3_Admiral 2018-03-21
They really couldn't though, because that subreddit only allowed links to actual FFLs, so any purchases would be done off of Reddit and through these dealers. Palmetto State Armory and Midway USA aren't going to sell to someone with a legal firearm transfer.
1 barcelonatimes 2018-03-21
Exactly, and do you honestly believe that's something the anti-gun nuts wouldn't do?
1 cuntpuncherexpress 2018-03-21
I was talking about criminals illegally selling weapons. What do you mean? That anti gun people would post on gun subreddits to make them look bad and get banned?
1 barcelonatimes 2018-03-21
Yeah, I feel like SRS or politics would definitely post "things that are against the rules" for subs they don't like to get them banned.
I'm saying, perhaps there weren't actual weapons being sold illegally...but people who wanted to shut the sub down. Selling a firearm illegally is a fucking felony...I definitely wouldn't do that over reddit.
1 cuntpuncherexpress 2018-03-21
I think it’s possuble but seems more likely that the Reddit admins are virtue signaling, trying to avoid any future controversies they can and protect themselves from any legislation that makes them more liable for what their users do. Just my take though.
And I’m sure there are somewhere on Reddit, people seem to have no problem committing all sorts of felonies on Reddit, whether it’s sharing illegal pornography, selling drugs, or illegally selling guns.
1 barcelonatimes 2018-03-21
I'm not saying it happened. I'm saying it's very plausible, and there's absolutely no way of knowing. For reddit to ban a well moderated sub who removed those posts when they were found...it shows that they wanted them gone...and we all know reddit admins have a heavy anti-gun bias. Even though "anti-gun" just means the government, the rich, and criminals have guns...not that guns go away.
1 Deadren 2018-03-21
How does one sell a firearm illegally?
1 vgamedude 2018-03-21
I was browsing the sub regularly for a long while and I never saw that, don't just throw stuff like that out there. You'd have to use armslist for such things and even then it's not illegal.
1 cuntpuncherexpress 2018-03-21
I’m not accusing them of anything, but there definitely have been comments either implicitly stating or implying that if you PM them they could sell you a firearm. I also browsed the subreddit daily and while it wasn’t common there were definitely comments removed for trying to sell guns, usually with people referring them to other subs that allowed that sort of thing. It wasn’t common and the mods always dealt with it quickly so I don’t think /r/gundeals should’ve been banned.
I wasn’t talking about legal sales, obviously there’s ways to legally ship and sell a firearm from one owner to another, Armslist being one of them. However, it IS illegal to agree to a sale in PM on Reddit and then ship covertly to another user without an FFL involved. Obviously this may not apply to every state as gun laws vary greatly
1 vgamedude 2018-03-21
I've never heard or seen of anyone doing that, shipping guns without an FFL would be dangerously stupid.
1 AboveAverageUnicorn 2018-03-21
I was on there daily, had updates sent to my phone and never once did I see that kind of activity.
1 Doolimite 2018-03-21
I never saw that , and I was on there every day.
1 RobertAntonWilson 2018-03-21
I would be surprised because I would have noticed it.
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-03-21
Do we not know if there was a separate reason than the basic function of the sub that they may have been banned for?
1 stealyourideas 2018-03-21
That’s lame. I’m in the market for a gun myself, and I see nothing wrong with reputable online outfits. Doesn’t sound shady at all.
1 AlbanyHockey 2018-03-21
Can't go wrong with a CZ /r/czfirearms :)
1 SloppyJoeGilly2 2018-03-21
Fuck a cz. Get a GLAWK FOWTY
1 schmag 2018-03-21
wow, I am getting bummed about reddit now...
I was subbed to both of these subs, I never saw transactions take place on r/gundeals. never on czfirearms either.
tbh, czfirearms was just becoming another "look at this gun you have seen five hundred times, its a standard sp-01 but its mine" with potato pictures.
I did enjoy some of the more customized and rare guns seen on their from time to time though.
1 JamesVanDaFreek 2018-03-21
Is it closed? The notice says:
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-03-21
Head over to full30.com, it's basically a forum for gun owners only.
1 stealyourideas 2018-03-21
I’ve used gunbroker and had a bad experience.
1 dmher 2018-03-21
Yep. Well it gets easier and easier to ditch Reddit as time goes on.
1 Colorado_love 2018-03-21
You can’t sell firearms on CL. They’re taken down as soon as they go up or very shortly thereafter.
1 _The_Planner 2018-03-21
https://voat.co/v/Gundeals
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-03-21
How do you know they did know wrong? Just curious. I'm not assuming they did anything wrong.
1 Th3_Admiral 2018-03-21
Well because the anonymous admin account they created specifically for this announcement didn't say they did anything wrong when asked about it. They just said the new policy forbids anything that even facilitates the transactions at all, including sharing coupons.
1 mwiegel2 2018-03-21
I really don't get why the went after those subs. I mean there's subs that you can go see people getting shot in the face or ran over, but better not try to get a deal on a gun or trade beer.
1 Pewpewpew05 2018-03-21
Literally the only sub I frequent on reddit. It's unfortunate, too, because not only was it well-moderated, but it was very much a friendly atmosphere of people trying to help others save money.
I'm frustrated that they take such a clearly political step versus trying to curb illegal activity that has always been on Reddit. I've never seen a single deal on /r/gundeals that was illegal, and i've been browsing that bitch for years for the better part of each day, just keeping a tab open in case some major deal came about.
1 Linquist 2018-03-21
As a creepy conspiracy dude who lurks and checks out other people's post history, I'm calling bullshit here. You post in /r/frugalmalefashion almost exclusively.
1 Pewpewpew05 2018-03-21
I guess you need to keep digging. I check that other sub on occasion, but I lived on /r/gundeals. I posted deals whenever they were stellar, but most of my posts are trying to help out fellow gun guys on 'this or that' or 'what's your experience with X'.
Guns are my hobby and my passion. Look into the content of those posts and you'll see that I was actually providing informed advice.
1 Pewpewpew05 2018-03-21
Check again, now that r/gundeals is back.
1 BlahblahNomad 2018-03-21
WikiArms
1 gonefishingtampa 2018-03-21
What on earth is a glock build? The gun is already built. People don't add a muffler to their civic and say "look at my civic build".
1 cuntpuncherexpress 2018-03-21
You can order a stripped lower, meaning just the polymer frame and then add the parts you want. It’s not cheaper than buying a factory Glock, but it is cheaper to build your own than buy a factory Glock and replace the barrel, trigger, sights, slide etc
1 WeldonHunter 2018-03-21
Here's one that was the first site like these, been around since 2006 and is run by and maintained by the users. Not affiliated with any of the the others that now bear a similar name. www.gun-deals.com
1 RMFN 2018-03-21
All masculine pastimes will be criminalized.
1 NothingLasts 2018-03-21
Orrrr reddit is deleting subs that facilitate illegal transactions. All drug sourcing/review subreddits were just banned as well.
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1 cuntpuncherexpress 2018-03-21
What was illegal about the subreddit? They linked to legal gun sales from licensed retailers and manufacturers. It wasn’t user to user sales, think something like /r/Gamedeals vs /r/gamesale
1 Kertigen 2018-03-21
By reddit's own new bullshit rules those should be gone as well. It is almost like they have an agenda.
1 trumplethinskins 2018-03-21
They shouldnt though. They clearly listed which goods and services are covered by this new rule.
See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/863xcj/new_addition_to_sitewide_rules_regarding_the_use/
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1 trumplethinskins 2018-03-21
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1 Kertigen 2018-03-21
Ah, you are right. I misread that earlier.
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-03-21
Did reddit claim they were banned only for their normal function and not some other reason?
1 cuntpuncherexpress 2018-03-21
Yes, it was discussed in the /r/announcements thread where an admin replied to a former /r/gundeals moderator
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-03-21
/r/trees?
1 RMFN 2018-03-21
It's illegal to tell someone that; "something is cheaper over here"?
1 digiorno 2018-03-21
But it's easy to frame a sub and then shut it down. They should just ban the accounts responsible.
1 Trollygag 2018-03-21
Those subs were facilitating legal transactions, though.
Gun trading is no more illegal in most of the U.S. than trading recipes or stamps.
1 NothingLasts 2018-03-21
Hm.. for some reason I thought there were federal laws regulating private gun sales, but apparently they vary by state. It would seem this is an optics/ethics choice by reddit then.
1 Env3us 2018-03-21
You’re posting about something you know nothing about. It wasn’t p2p gun sales on that sub, it was deals from vendors. I fail to see how that is illegal.
1 Bond4141 2018-03-21
Hmmm...
/R/Canadianmoms
1 -golden-ratio 2018-03-21
S T A T E
E N F O R C E D
H O M O S E X U A L I T Y
1 Kind_Of_A_Dick 2018-03-21
Homosexuality is the manliest of all pastimes.
1 Just_Call_Me_Cactus 2018-03-21
Only if done properly, in which we business-casually sow the females and then go for drinks and head with the fellas.
1 RMFN 2018-03-21
I ain't clicking dat Elsa porn.
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-03-21
at the rate of spermicide, there will be no males left for those pastimes.
1 RMFN 2018-03-21
Amen.
1 MKULTRAserialkillers 2018-03-21
Expect more censorship:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2017/07/31/reddit-raises-200-million-new-valuation.html
1 DoobieDaithi_ 2018-03-21
Article is 9 months old.
1 MKULTRAserialkillers 2018-03-21
Yet the purges keep coming.
1 DoobieDaithi_ 2018-03-21
More than likely from new funding, not 9 months ago.
1 Th3_Admiral 2018-03-21
Someone in the announcement thread had the theory it might be related to this. Basically this bill is going to expand the amount of liability a website has for any illegal content that takes place on their site. Even though 99% of the subreddits being banned by this were doing nothing illegal.
1 DoobieDaithi_ 2018-03-21
Ya, I remember the topics on that here on reddit last month. If reddit is worried about that then I think they have a lot more subs to be removing.
I think it's more of optic for investors and their plan of going public in the near future. http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/reddit-ipo-1202613811/ Start getting stuff cleaned up now instead of a few months before so they can say they have been proactive on this stuff and not just a reaction to an upcoming IPO.
1 Th3_Admiral 2018-03-21
Maybe, but this seems like a really weird list of subreddits to make investors happy. Who cares about stuff like BeerSwap or BrassSwap? I doubt most advertisers or investors had even heard of either of those. But then there's stuff like /r/shoplifting that seems to come up in LegalAdvice or various drama threads nearly every week, and is actually about something illegal. And yet it's still here.
1 HahThatsSilly 2018-03-21
It's funny. Reddit couldn't contain themselves when they thought ISPs might throttle their data yet have been completely silent on their government attempting to force social platforms into policing and censoring the speech of their users.
Packet neutrality is a must, content neutrality is optional... apparently.
1 Th3_Admiral 2018-03-21
I wouldn't say completely quiet. A lot of users have complained about this. Though it is surprising that websites themselves haven't been more vocal about this. It seems like none of them will benefit from this law since it opens them up to more liability. I guess no one wants to be seen as the one speaking out against a so-called "anti sex trafficking law".
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-03-21
He meant Reddit the company, not reddit the community.
1 Whiteymcwhitebelt 2018-03-21
Its because aint paying them to bitch about content neutrality
1 rodental 2018-03-21
Man, this site is going to shit fast.
1 RedditRuinedMyLife 2018-03-21
it's like Facebook though, with no real viable alternative. Guess we could all go back to Digg? Is that still a thing?
1 machocamacho88 2018-03-21
I'd go back to Voat if it wasn't such a cesspool for racists.
1 TheSpaghetti_Monster 2018-03-21
I think we need to start fresh.
1 RedditRuinedMyLife 2018-03-21
Yeah, same. Honestly it feels like we're entering a new era of the internet, where places like Reddit are heavily censored and places like Voat are where the racists and anti-semites congregate. It seems like there's no middle ground of a site. We need a new Reddit that is more like the old Reddit.
1 Magnus_Konrad 2018-03-21
You're describing a utopia which cannot exist. If you are a proponent of free speech you have to accept that people will exercise it to extreme lengths just because they can. The only way to curtail that type of behavior is through heavy moderation - censorship - or mass-shaming of that population by the userbase, which will only serve to create more extremists.
1 Roldstiffer 2018-03-21
Why the separation? Why does hating one particular race warrant it's own phrasing. Why is 'racist' not enough.
1 helpivebeenbanned 2018-03-21
Cuz muh antisemitism. Jews are held higher than blacks and muslims
1 SpooledSRT 2018-03-21
That's racist.
1 cmoore_butts 2018-03-21
That's reality
1 Whiteymcwhitebelt 2018-03-21
Yeap. The Jews have money and a military with lots of guns and they know how to use them.
1 mistr3vil 2018-03-21
jews are not a race, it's a religion.
1 R0B0GEISHA 2018-03-21
Anti-semitism is prejudice against the Jewish religion. Many antisemites will tie race into it, but Jews were persecuted long before the modern concept of race.
1 RedditRuinedMyLife 2018-03-21
Does Judaism count as a race? Not being snarky
1 MonsterBarge 2018-03-21
It's a cycle.
Go back to newsgroups and start flamewars.
1 dukey 2018-03-21
That's what happens when you ban all communities considered toxic. They just move some place else. Personally I don't mind voat. Is there lots of racist stuff? sure, but that's the price for freedom of speech. You can't have it both ways.
1 Shiftyze 2018-03-21
It’s really racist but I mean just don’t look at the links that are obviously racist because it’s not hidden or a trick. I’ve been going there much more recently because its content is natural.
1 inlinefourpower 2018-03-21
If I browse voat will that be held against me someday? Like, am I hurting future job prospects if I wanted to work for the FBI or something? I don't consider myself racist but am fully supportive of the free speech atmosphere over there (even though i obviously disagree). Do I need to VPN up to browse voat or am I being paranoid? I just want my gun deals back....
1 gdkjkj 2018-03-21
the voat hate is funny to me, they can just migrate there and take it over en masse and post hillary clinton all day long. voat doesn't curate like reddit does, it is a free speech site.
1 schmag 2018-03-21
man I was just there....
I felt like I was on /b with all the sophomoric profanity.
what about for people who are looking for a place with some class to discuss gun's and deals pertaining to them?
1 digiorno 2018-03-21
Maybe we could clean up Voat? Ugh. Sounds like a pain though.
1 RedditRuinedMyLife 2018-03-21
Yeah, I honestly feel like a lot of the bullshit in Voat was coordinated by Reddit corporate to discourage people from going there, and tbh it worked. I don't go there anymore because of all the blatant racism and anti semitism. If that was their goal, it was 100% effective.
1 digiorno 2018-03-21
I feel like they do that on their own "undesirable" sub Reddits too.
1 bryoneill11 2018-03-21
The internet was the very best thing to a perfect world we had for years. Until sensitive snowflake millennials came in and ruined it.
1 goldmanstackss 2018-03-21
Everything they touch, eventually dies.
1 bryoneill11 2018-03-21
Cleaning communities is why Digg was killed and Reddit is in the same path.
1 daringescape 2018-03-21
Its not so much about cleaning it up, but getting users to the site who are somewhat normal. I don't care if its Liberal, conservative, etc. - just people who want to use the site as its meant to be used; For news and discussions. The huge amount of crazy racist stuff on Voat is a turn off for many people. That content just needs to get diluted so that regular people can be comfortable using the site.
1 iDroidManiac 2018-03-21
The mass influx of Reddit users would clean it up. The bad stuff would be filtered out or pushed out. We are the ones who make post visable and vice versa.
1 rodental 2018-03-21
Voat
1 DeplorableWe 2018-03-21
That or something new will come along eventually
1 rodental 2018-03-21
I think that blockchains hold the key to the future, because then it becomes much, much more difficult to censor.
1 NorthBlizzard 2018-03-21
There is no alternative
They want you to leave. They even gaslight with posts every so often saying how we should ditch reddit or youtube, but it's really just so they can get an echochamber.
1 helpivebeenbanned 2018-03-21
Nah theres voat
1 cryo 2018-03-21
Funny you should say that in this pretty huge echo chamber sub.
1 mconeone 2018-03-21
Check out saidit.net
1 DNCsucks 2018-03-21
We could make an alternative, but I doubt someone will pay my rent and my food during the process.
1 daringescape 2018-03-21
Don't forget that Digg was once a site with "no viable alternative" until everyone mass migrated to reddit...
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-03-21
Digging its own grave.
1 strafefire 2018-03-21
Digg
1 _TyrellWellick 2018-03-21
80% of it's users/top-posts are bots or corporate PR programs / marketing shit etc
1 DoobieDaithi_ 2018-03-21
Some more info and more subs.
Announcement
SRD submission
Drama submission
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1 yokouma 2018-03-21
From the thread. Exactly. They are shaping the narrative. Nothing more.
"u/theelous3 [+1] 288 points an hour ago*
If you can shirk the legal responsibility as easily as you just have, by saying Reddit is not intended to be used as a marketplace and takes no responsibility for any transactions individual users might decide to undertake in spite of this.
Why are you bothering to get in the way of some of the communities on here in the first place? Not your responsibility, apparently.
I wish reddit admins would take a much, much more hands off approach. The activities of a subreddit are the responsibility of it's members and moderators. Reddit admins should just manage the tech stack and tooling.
Edit: before more people armchair lawyer at me, unless you can provide a link to some statute or another clearly stating how a platform is held responsible for the crimes of its users, don't bother. Secondly, I'm not even of the opinion that the above is a reasonable path. I do know however, that the more hands off a platform, the more legal buffer they have.
But because it was the Internet, the posts were anonymous. So instead, the firm sued Prodigy, the online service that hosted the bulletin board.
Prodigy argued it couldn't be responsible for a user's post — like a library, it could not liable for what's inside its books. Or, in now-familiar terms: It's a platform, not a publisher.
The court disagreed, but for an unexpected reason: Prodigy moderated posts, cleaning up foul language. And because of that, the court treated Prodigy like a newspaper liable for its articles.
The law states:
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.47 U.S. Code § 230
Sauce: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230
The only change to this was last year, when a site was actively engaged in it's users adult and child sex trafficking, tightening the reigns. Not exactly reddit's MO."
1 illSTYLO 2018-03-21
Bet they still have all those reddit personal listings asking for discrete meet ups.
1 maskdmirag 2018-03-21
not going to check but pretty sure /r/raobj is still around
1 Junkbear 2018-03-21
Counted about 8 subs, youtube also made a major move against gun channels today.
1 Th3_Admiral 2018-03-21
The subreddit drama post has all of the known ones so far. Lots of Darknet subs, a bunch of gun subs, a bunch of alcohol, tobacco, and drug subs, and a few that actually focused on illegal activity.
1 d3rr 2018-03-21
I was shocked to see drug deals being conducted on a site that banned /r/fatpeoplehate
1 Nothingaddsup 2018-03-21
Until now Reddit was actually fairly lenient on what went on here provided people kept to them selves. Most of the high profile subreddit banning's were the result of stuff like brigading and DDOSing.
1 TibetanBowlHealing 2018-03-21
And CP
1 Jonasbrotherslover11 2018-03-21
You mean jailbait?
1 whoa_its_heavy 2018-03-21
God dammit. I missed the golden age of drug deals on reddit.
1 dingodegoyo 2018-03-21
back in the days of the silk road and DPR
1 narazz 2018-03-21
they want people on drugs to make them more docile.
1 skepticalbob 2018-03-21
Its about advertisers. They don't want to be associated with that kind of content.
1 goldmanstackss 2018-03-21
They're all bought and paid for by the same cabal.
1 joshychrist 2018-03-21
The two gun channels I watch are still around you had me worried.
1 Junkbear 2018-03-21
I know, I checked Hickok45 and hes still up, not sure if announcement was FUD or just rolling out slowly. Policy has shut down channels of some manufactures.
1 bigthink 2018-03-21
If hickock gets taken down, there will be blood.
1 Colorado_love 2018-03-21
When Hickok is down you know it’s over.
Time for a new platform. Past time. So many YouTubers have tons of money and are being affected by their rules/demonitization practices.
Surprised they haven’t banded together and made a new platform.
1 bunoo2 2018-03-21
https://www.full30.com
1 TheDuckHunt3r 2018-03-21
They're not banning videos that have guns shooting. They're banning videos that have direct links to sales to purchase parts, and videos on assembling firearms and other odd ass shit.
Hickok and Demo Ranch should be fine... but its just a matter of time before they try to go after those channels.
1 Tobias_Ketterburg 2018-03-21
No way this wasn't an orchestrated move.
1 fuckmelizparrish 2018-03-21
This shit is going down because a new law has decimated Section 230 of Title 47 of the United States Code (47 USC § 230) and caused all kinds of liabilities for many internet companies and they will all respond just like Reddit did.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/how-congress-censored-internet
1 BassBeerNBabes 2018-03-21
Fucking stupid.
Oh yeah, these digitally compressed photons representing a firearm that was being handled 5 years ago is going to make more guns exist in the world right now.
Morons.
1 Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee 2018-03-21
Its the law now, they passed SESTA/FOSTA. Reddit has its hands tied and is legally required to comply.
If you want to blame anyone blame our congress for forcing this on to the internet.
1 blackjuly 2018-03-21
The SESTA/FOSTA is convienent scape goat. There's clearly a concerted effort to shut down free speech. Reddit is just starting with easy targets that not many will complain about. First they came for r/fakeids and I didn't say anything because I'm to old, then they came for r/dreammarket but I don't do drugs. You can blame Congress if you want they do suck, but the fact of the matter is Reddit didnt have to shut any of these subs down yet.
1 Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee 2018-03-21
Ignoring your grandstanding reddit speech,
So you're mad - atleast in part - that Reddit shut these subs down in accordance to a new law passed instead of waiting for the final hour to implement legal accordance.
Yes, when you phrase your argument normally, without unnecessary rhetoric, it sounds really stupid.
1 blackjuly 2018-03-21
I thought it had flare.
I'm upset that they're shutting down subs that have very little to do with aiding and abetting in any crimes
1 blackjuly 2018-03-21
Also, my larger point is that Reddit is using a legitimate soon to be law to roll up a bunch of forums that they just don't like and it seems to me that YouTube and Facebook are doing very similar things all at once. And I don't think it's because of the law.
1 Kobrag90 2018-03-21
Prolly a push by enforcement agencies.
1 EskomojoE 2018-03-21
r/gundealsannouncements
1 javi404 2018-03-21
voat.co
1 CharityHummer 2018-03-21
minds
1 javi404 2018-03-21
Very interesting. Will explore.
1 vivek31 2018-03-21
It's a racist shithole.
1 javi404 2018-03-21
Well they don't delete wrong-think there so I don't care.
1 AfrikaCorps 2018-03-21
Scummy reddit at it again.
1 sweetholymosiah 2018-03-21
I'm all for abandoning reddit, but as a canadjian I'm not surprised weapons sales were banned from such a forum as reddit.
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-03-21
there were no sales being performed via that subreddit.
1 sweetholymosiah 2018-03-21
what was it then? good prices on automatic weapons? Reddit is a private company with a 'reputation' to shareholders. lol
1 Dr_Dornon 2018-03-21
/r/gundeals was a sub to just post deals. If Walmart had a sale on ammo, it'd be posted about there and then you'd still have to go through Walmart and legal channels to get the item. There was no sales done or anything illegal on that sub.
1 goldmanstackss 2018-03-21
Maybe Reddit should censer it's users better rather than banning subs for no reason. This is starting to look like a CYA type situation.
1 Chief80 2018-03-21
See ya around Reddit.
1 -spartacus- 2018-03-21
So if we start selling our conspiracies will we get banned too?
1 ak-75 2018-03-21
Unbelievable! Time to quit Reddit.
1 goldencrisp 2018-03-21
This is the perfect time to pull this move. They begin censoring these subs due to current events, and Facebook gets to have all the bad PR.
1 Doolimite 2018-03-21
Gearing up for the Mid terms . Can’t have too many conservatives congregating together
1 test98 2018-03-21
Hopefully this kills reddit and we can all move on with our lives.
It's clear the powers that be want control over the internet, in whatever way they can get it. It's a tool which is too powerful for them to lose control of.
Fake news, porn, trade and transactions, politics, ideas, anonymity, finance, creativity, movies, music... think of the children! They've stolen it from us.
Unless you're malleable and receptive to what the state wants you will never be allowed to have a prominent place on the web.
We need something else. We need to take this fight elsewhere. Unfortunately, it was a few hundred years since this last happened with the printing press, and it now might be a few hundred more.
This is the beginning of the end, or at least the beginning of a long period of boredom and banality.
I'd like to apologise to my great great grandchildren for not putting up enough of a fight.
See you on the other side.
1 goldmanstackss 2018-03-21
I'll see you again, brother, on this side or the other.
1 ywkwpwnw 2018-03-21
What about mother?
1 the_nonagon 2018-03-21
It really strikes a chord when you put it like this. So true, and unironically poignant.
1 BassBeerNBabes 2018-03-21
I think you're looking too narrowly, because the internet and the printing press are essentially the same thing in terms of how they multiplied the ability to share information. It took several hundred years from the invention of the printing press to create a world where the developed nations were able to create an essentially equal opportunity for all.
Now we're in a phase where we're attempting to hash out the minutiae and everybody's vulnerable.
1 MagicalMysteryRadio 2018-03-21
Time to start moving to Steemit. And I don't even like guns, but this is bullshit.
1 Itsmeagainmom 2018-03-21
Wow. Here we go.
1 martini-meow 2018-03-21
looks like Kratom got hit, too :(
1 Jonasbrotherslover11 2018-03-21
Not the main sub. But I hope the main sub goes down fuck the fanboys and Nazi mods there
1 Hagriss 2018-03-21
Care to explain what you mean? I’ve never really been to that sub.
1 Jonasbrotherslover11 2018-03-21
Yeah I can explain what I mean. Before I saw your comment I was laying down on my smartphone with meet the fockers on as background noise. But secretly I love that movie more than you will ever know. Ok back to business. Ok so the kratom sub. Oh boy where do I begin. To be really honest I want to keep this very short. I really don't have the time or the interest to not keep it short. The mods of that sub will ban anyone who speaks about kratom in a negative light. A large majority of the kratom fan boys love kratom so much. Cause it gets them high. But then they build a tolerance. But who cares cause that shit gets you so high if you get your right strain. Omg it got me off heroin. I'm saved. Lol yeah fucking right. Let's send a film crew to you and see how amazing your life is because of kratom. Oh wait. Your life ain't jack.
1 martini-meow 2018-03-21
fanboys of kratom the herb that helps people get off opiods? (confused)
1 Jonasbrotherslover11 2018-03-21
Do you think that's all kratom does? You want a dose of reality? Visit the quitting kratom sub. Fuck kratom. That shit destroyed my life. It's just as addicting as opioids. Seriously fuck kratom. I hope that shit gets banned. Can't wait to see all the kratom fanboys cry all over them selves. Stupid fucking freaks.
1 BassBeerNBabes 2018-03-21
Maybe you abused the fuck out of it?
That's like blaming guns for shootings.
Protip: it's the user.
1 thakiddd 2018-03-21
So if it's just like opioids why do kratom, is it cheaper or something?
1 Jonasbrotherslover11 2018-03-21
It is pretty cheap. Have you ever tried it?
1 thakiddd 2018-03-21
No, I'm way too late on that one. If it were 5 years ago though maybe
1 Jonasbrotherslover11 2018-03-21
It's pretty amazing stuff. I only use it for hang overs. It will make a hang over dissapear.
1 thakiddd 2018-03-21
Interesting. I'm a little passed my experimentation phase but it sounds like something I'd have liked to try at some point
1 Jonasbrotherslover11 2018-03-21
At the end of the day it's just a plant that's exploited for it's euphoric and high energy properties. The hype is unreal, cause it's just as addicting as street drugs. But the older I get the more I just want to eat healthy food and rid my body and mind of any kind of substance/supplements other than good food.
1 JoeBlowgun 2018-03-21
All these "Corporations" conspiring against the people that keep them in business.
1 ForeverInaDaze 2018-03-21
Not a huge fan of guns per say.. because my thoughts as a potential owner is that it'll more than likely end up as a hobby, and I personally can't justify hobbies where I have to spend money to enjoy my goods. Can't just go shoot a gun willy nilly. Gotta rent a lane and so on unless you have a friend with lane, closest range to me are 20 minutes away.
That being said, I browsed it frequently and many of my friends made purchases off it. Fuck Reddit for this honestly.
1 Archon576 2018-03-21
Does anyone know an alternative to Reddit?
1 seeking101 2018-03-21
voat i guess
1 CharityHummer 2018-03-21
Minds
1 thakiddd 2018-03-21
Voat
1 Jac0b777 2018-03-21
Saidit.net
1 Doolimite 2018-03-21
I would gladly donate 1.2 Highpoints for my gundeals back 😔
1 a_trashcan 2018-03-21
Pretty misleading not to mention all the other subreddits banned by the new rule.
1 Jonasbrotherslover11 2018-03-21
Ok so where is the conspiracy?
1 djm123412 2018-03-21
Guns aren't illegal and this sub wasn't selling guns, so it wasn't breaking any laws....but it was still banned.
1 skepticalbob 2018-03-21
It wasn't just for illegal sales. Tight regulated ones are also banned. Here is the growing list.
1 rtmacfeester 2018-03-21
/r/gun_promotions
1 Aksandshit 2018-03-21
Amazing you can watch 16 year old get hacked up with machetes on here but can see ads for guns. Time to #endreddit as well people.
1 Beheadthemods 2018-03-21
Amazing you can watch 16 year olds get hacked up with machetes on here but can't see ads for guns. Time to #endreddit as well people.
1 Tim_from_IT 2018-03-21
They would not ban cp and child abuse because it would have been anti Islamic but they will ban multiple subs of good people sharing a healthy hobby because it's popular with the right wing. Nice job reddit you earned yourself a boycott, you incestuous islamo-communists!
1 Towelie62 2018-03-21
Been saying it for a couple years now. Reddit has been overtaken by the SJW's and soccer moms. Can't even make a sarcastic comment without everyone getting butthurt.
1 skepticalbob 2018-03-21
Reddit is mostly young and male, isn't it?
1 AbrahamRoosevelt_IV 2018-03-21
who are now sjw's and identify as soccer moms. duh.
1 skepticalbob 2018-03-21
I don’t see /r/feminism make the front page of all, but I do see tumbler bashing, men’s rights, etc with regularity. I’d wager you just have extreme views that make it seem like everyone is on some other pole from you and throwing off your analysis.
1 Towelie62 2018-03-21
Did you just assume the gender of the majority of Reddit users?
1 skepticalbob 2018-03-21
No, you did though.
Here is the data:
Reddit is mostly young and male. And less than half identify as liberal, of which SJWs is but one subset. While there is a strong SJW contingent, when I look at /r/all I frequently see tumblrinaction, mens rights, kotakuinaction, etc. That's about as anti-SJW as you can get.
Could it be that you have an extreme conservative bias that colors your perception of what is on reddit?
1 Towelie62 2018-03-21
1 skepticalbob 2018-03-21
This is Poe's law in action. Its impossible to tell your beliefs from your sarcasm.
So you agree that reddit is mostly not SJWs and soccer moms, right?
1 forum8417 2018-03-21
as an avid beer trader i am still extremely pissed about these subs being banned
1 magenta_placenta 2018-03-21
This is only a problem because we allowed the web to become centralized around a few large hubs. It's not new either, websites banning some types of content based on arbitrary rules is as old as the internet. One could even say it's not censorship, it's "moderating your platform". The problem is that Youtube is so big and monopolistic that removing this content from Youtube effectively means removing it from the internet for a large chunk of the population.
If you don't want large monopolies to act as censors then don't put them in the position to do so. You're uploading your videos for free on their platforms, sometimes even expecting them to pay you for it. I can't really see how you can complain if they decide that they don't want to deal with your content anymore. Find another platform, that's how the internet is supposed to work.
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-03-21
This is good advice and a solid point.
1 LovingLuna 2018-03-21
r/darknetmarkets was also removed it looks like. That was an entertaining sub
1 b0v1n3r3x 2018-03-21
Lots of gun videos that got banned on YouTube popped back up on Pornhub
1 towels_gone_wild 2018-03-21
I wouldn't worry. There are four other sites like reddit I use that have very active conspiracy forums.
If we ditch reddit with lightning speed for these other forums, the people that have been making money off us on reddit will suddenly have no revenue..
1 RMFN 2018-03-21
Amen.
1 illSTYLO 2018-03-21
Bet they still have all those reddit personal listings asking for discrete meet ups.
1 NorthBlizzard 2018-03-21
They won't delete this sub
They'll just try to absorb it like they already have been, like /r/politics and their 50+ spam subs did to /r/all
1 rodental 2018-03-21
I think that blockchains hold the key to the future, because then it becomes much, much more difficult to censor.