Targeted harassment for questioning the existence of shills.
0 2018-03-22 by RMFN
https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/8674r9/rcon_resident_shill_enthusiast_and_rumored
Edit; For all the people claiming that I am a right wing Trump supporter know this; FUCK TRUMP. Fuck democracy. Democracy is Stockholm syndrome. I do not support Trump, the right, or the left. I have transcensed the manufactured right left false dichotomy. I am an anarcho monarchist. We stand for liberty, community accountability, freedom of expression, and a yearly combative round robin of arm wrestling and competitive slam poetry to determine our worthy monarch.
Why was I banned from tmor? Why shouldn't we ban people from there if they ban people from here? It's pretty hypocritical that we have to cater to their particular form of autism that gets off on making fun of the views of other people, but we can't defend ourselves from that behavior because it's "not inclusive". Give me a fucking break.
158 comments
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
S.s. Any user who questions the existence of agent provocateurs or attempts to promote the awareness of agent provocateurs is harassed as insane by groups of a specific hate organization on Reddit. Top minds of Reddit is a hate speech group dedicated to harassment and bigoted language against people who are ideologically different than themselves. Twoxchromosomes bans individuals who post in ideologically opposed Subs. Why doesn't conspiracy?
1 garyp714 2018-03-22
What ideology is r/conspiracy suppose to be? Are you saying this place should be right wing only?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Am I right wing??
1 garyp714 2018-03-22
I asked a specific question. Please clarify your remarks. Thanks.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Open minded. Anti authoritarian.
1 garyp714 2018-03-22
Open minded isn't an ideology. But thank you for answering my question.
You mean like setting up a group, labeling them PNG and systematically banning them.
Sounds a lot like authoritarian to me.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Open mindedness definitely has a particular month feel. Want a kiss to see what I mean?
And moderation of individuals determined to use known agent provocateur tactics is not authoritarian. It's simple moderation.
1 garyp714 2018-03-22
I moderate a ton of subs and have never had to create a secret sub and make lists of users to make sure one ideology is favored over others.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Is AstroTurfing a common thing you have seen in your time as a moderator?
1 garyp714 2018-03-22
Definitely. The Buddhists subs get shit on constantly by rival Buddhist factions (I shit you not). They even have rival subreddits where they would launch attacks. :D
The poetry sub was being gamed by a vote ring selling scam 'submit your poems here' nonsense. They were nasty fucks too.
We get trolls in the sports subs constantly but mostly, I just talk to them nicely and ask that they tone it down. People are remarkably willing to listen when you don't antagonize them like children do to one another.
Now, this place is way more contentious with the right and left divide. But I do believe there are better ways to handle things.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Like what? Do you ban people using known provocateur tactics?
1 garyp714 2018-03-22
I don't ban people. Probably banned a dozen over 10 years and those were either literal spam bots or Dox, death threat people.
You can do this moderation thing like an adult. There's no need for all the drama and fanning the flames nonsense.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
"I don't ban people" "Probably banned a dozen"
So which is it? You don't ban people or you do?
1 duckraul2 2018-03-22
I mean, most reasonable people would take what he said to mean that he bans extremely sparingly, and not without extreme cause, as he apparently averages about one ban every year. That's quite a lot of restraint.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
You can't say you don't do something then say that you do it. That's called a contradiction.
1 Symbiotx 2018-03-22
That doesn't mean anything.
And who determines who those individuals are and policies them? The authorities here. Hmmmm, doesn't sound anti-authoritarian.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
... So you suggest that conspiracy shouldn't be moderated at all?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
The MOD team determines. Like every sub in history.
I was banned from Top minds of Reddit. Why might that have been? Was it because I have an opposing opinion to them? Why do you think they would ban a prominent poster in the conspiracy subreddit?
No it's because when I thread was posted about me I came to defend my position. Then I was banned. They are not open for a debate in their own forum so why should we accommodate them?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
https://np.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/84web2/true_community_policing
Does this sound right wing to you?
1 RedYagoda 2018-03-22
Makes sense that the shills and morons at Top Minds would target you for pointing out their degenerate actions. I've blocked most of them and it makes browsing the sub 100X better.
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
LMAO
So you think you're being harrassed, because you posted to a secret sub that you want users like me removed from THIS sub, for reasons which do not break any rules.
You don't get to cry victim.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
You deny shills exist?
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
#17 change the subject
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Back at ya Rocky.
It's a simple question. Do shills exist?
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
Why do you ask questions i've already answered?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
It's a simple question you should be able to answer it sufficiently when asked, rocky.
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
Already answered in full. My lord.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Clarify your position on the matter. My memory is quite bad.
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
You can search your history, m'lord.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Ah.
1 -blackoutusername- 2018-03-22
Careful w your resources, too. Only so much energy to expel.
1 ShitHitsTheMan 2018-03-22
He IS one
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
RMFN doesn't think I am.
1 HGpennypacker 2018-03-22
You got bitch-slapped to high heaven with this type of stuff yesterday, maybe give it a rest for a while.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Never.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Yes I was invited to the conclave. It was organized to address the problems in conspiracy in a way that includes the "core" members and not just mods. Is a group of people sharing their ideas about the direction of the sub a bad thing?
And did you read the thread in question? That "list" was in no was a definitive list, it was just a sampling to share ideas about the behavior of specific users.
1 Symbiotx 2018-03-22
When it's regarding a public sub, but it's only mods that have the power to change things and people that they approved to be part of it, yeah that's bad thing.
Decisions about the directions of this sub should be public, not just the pre-approved people that support their agenda.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
You can ask the moderators why they chose the conclave for discussion. I was only invited to participate. I did not form it.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Stop editing every comment. I didn't think I had to quote you.
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
Stop crying victim when you don't deserve sympathy.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Every living being deserves sympathy.
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
Why?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Because equality is an objective good
1 LitBastard 2018-03-22
So now you think equality is good but when the topic is your little conclave some are more equal than others?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Equality for all living beings. Bots aren't alone silly.
1 LitBastard 2018-03-22
Look I don't wanna argue with you but the leaked screenshot made it seem like you guys were talking about banning "political dissidents" and not bots.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Bullshit. We are going to purge those here to disrupt.
1 LitBastard 2018-03-22
I guess I'm a strong candidate because I don't neccessarily believe in the same things the "inner circle" does and post accordingly.Neat.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
It's not about beliefs it's about behavior.
1 LitBastard 2018-03-22
You shouldn't use behaviour as a criteria. Especially in a sub with so many emotionally charged topics.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Why not? You think the mods should moderate based on ideology?
1 LitBastard 2018-03-22
Let me state something first. 1. I believe there are bots and shills. 2.I believe the problem is far smaller than made out to be.
With that being said,moderation should be minimal and only occur in the case of extreme derailment,slander,libel or petty slapfights. Ideology should play no part.The subscribers should handle content via up/downvoting.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
How can we handle things via voting when the voting is so obviously gamed?
1 talleyhooo 2018-03-22
Does Hillary?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Is she alive?
1 talleyhooo 2018-03-22
Last I checked yeah
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Then my above comment applies.
1 talleyhooo 2018-03-22
Clicked your links. Where's the harassment?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Do you not see the one where they discuss my political ideology?
1 talleyhooo 2018-03-22
Is discussing your political ideology harassment? What if they kept a list of people with different political ideologies than themselves and discussed banning those users. Would that also be harassment?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Making fun of it and denying it agency by claiming it doesn't exist is definitely a form of mockery if not harassment.
1 paulmr- 2018-03-22
What was it Oscar Wilde said about not being spoken about ?
Laugh it off. Ignore it. Move on.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Did fat people hate move on when their lifestyle was denied agency through constant harassment and traumatic triggers?
1 paulmr- 2018-03-22
Now just because a group of people don’t do something doesn’t mean you have to react the same way.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Fight fire with fire.
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
and burn the whole world to the ground. Stop man, just stop. You are causing more harm than good.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
/u/Saintcmb
I'd like to know how other users have this particular user tagged in their res.
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
So now you are targeting others to harass.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Sharing information between friends isn't harassment, sweetie.
Might want to keep posting in /r/rickandmorty...
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
You linked my username and asked people to tag me. You know what you are doing, you are just not smart enough to get me to take the bait.
And just last night I saw you chew someone else out for calling you sweetie. And here you go, pulling the same shit.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
I did no such thing. I asked to know other people that use res already have you tagged. Putting words in peoples mouths is what tmor does.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Sweetie, cutie, honey pie!
1 LetsSmashStacks 2018-03-22
18 Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.
Glad you reminded me about that handbook, I've been seeing those tactics used more and more lately.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
/u/letssmashstacks
Did I ever say those tactics warrant useful?
1 LetsSmashStacks 2018-03-22
/u/RMFN
Here is what you said:
That's how we find the shills according to you, yet you're using those tactics.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Are you calling me a shill?
1 LetsSmashStacks 2018-03-22
Nope.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Note: user posts in tmor.
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
I sure do. I subscribed to that sub also, even though I post in here more often.
YOU ARE NOT A GATEKEEPER
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
K.
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
You didn't need to link my name in a reply to me. So why did you? You are either trying to get the conclave to tag me, or you are snitching on me. And since I didn't break any rules, you have no reason to snitch.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
I'm quoting you so I have a record in case you delete all of your comments.
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
Bullshit. There is no reason why I would need to go back and delete that comment, and there is no reason why you would need to archive that comment. Why are you keeping a record of people's comments anyways? Thats pretty fucking creepy man.
And finally, spend a few minutes gathering your thoughts in to one reply. Im not responding to 4 different posts.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
K.
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
Well, I shouldn't have given you the benefit of doubt. Bye bye
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Farewell. See you soon.
1 themumm 2018-03-22
yo man you know this:
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
You too chuck. I'll be there. Just got the invite today.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Wow, you think I'm creepy fkr quoting you. That's pretty paranoid.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
So calling out people in public for known provocateur behavior is being a snitch?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Why was I banned from tmor? Why shouldn't we ban people from there if they ban people from here? It's pretty hypocritical that we have to cater to your particular form of autism that gets off on making fun of the views of other people, but we can't defend ourselves from that behavior because it's "not inclusive". Give me a fucking break.
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
probably for being a jerk, Ive witnessed it and called you out for it many times.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Ah, so making fun of tmor members will get you banned from tmor?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Being a jerk is ban able offence in tmor?
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
You are a hostile hypocrite not interested in any real conversation. Its just shill shill shill. You have nothing to add to any conversation, and you hardly answer questions. You have very anti-social tendencies.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Have I called anyone a shill?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
1 saintcmb 2018-03-22
thats all you talk about, and it is a very one-sided conversation. You cant take a hint or you refuse to. That is anti-social behavior.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
I have made posts on a wide variety of subjects, including but not exclusive to shills.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
It's anti agent provocateur behavior. Ftfy
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
/u/saintcmb
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Why was I banned from tmor? Why shouldn't we ban people from there if they ban people from here? It's pretty hypocritical that we have to cater to your particular form of autism that gets off on making fun of the views of other people, but we can't defend ourselves from that behavior because it's "not inclusive". Give me a fucking break.
1 GiannisHasNoJumpshot 2018-03-22
Here's a DM that /u/RMFN (OP) sent to a recently banned /r/conspiracy user:
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Might want to brush up on reddit's tos before posting users pm's.
1 GiannisHasNoJumpshot 2018-03-22
i'm sorry but who elected you the 'shill hunter' of this sub?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
I am not hunting shills. I am just bringing awareness to the public of the phenomenon.
1 GiannisHasNoJumpshot 2018-03-22
Could've sworn just a day or two ago you were going through people's post histories and telling them whether or not they were a shill.
Am I wrong?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
I never said anyone was a shill. I just said particular behavior can be determined to fit within a rubric of known provocateur tactics.
1 kittypryde123 2018-03-22
He calls them "subjects" so it's okay
1 Crows_and_Beef 2018-03-22
This comes off like tattletaling.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
...
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
You think harassment of people based off of their beliefs should be permitted?
1 Crows_and_Beef 2018-03-22
No, and I think your harassment of the folks at TMOR is inappropriate.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
How am I harassing anyone, crows_and_beef?
1 Crows_and_Beef 2018-03-22
You're not. I made it up. Just like you made up the "harassment" you received.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Oh, just a liar then. /r/rickandmorty is that way =======>
1 Crows_and_Beef 2018-03-22
Please stop harassing me.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
/u/croes_and_beef
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Respect me and I'll respect you. It's a two way street.
1 aleister 2018-03-22
There's no need for everyone to come in here and report everyone they don't like.
You guys know who you're engaging with and choose to participate in a shitshow thread so don't go whining and reporting everyone when you get shit on.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-03-22
^ this is spam
/s
1 aleister 2018-03-22
COME AT ME BRO!
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-03-22
ПРАВИЛО ШЕСТЬ
1 aleister 2018-03-22
REPORTED!
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-03-22
"quit targeting meeeee!!!!!"
1 freddy_rumsen 2018-03-22
stop harassing crows and beef dude
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
So people should not be harassed because of what they believe?
1 Rayfloyd 2018-03-22
Ouch mate, ya got bombarded here lol
This thread looks like one of /u/axolotl_peyotl if he dares go against the narrative hahahahaha
1 Thinkingfellersunion 2018-03-22
Yeah, the comment chains in this post are totally not being brigaded with up/down votes. /s
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Take notes.
1 Thinkingfellersunion 2018-03-22
I just report them as TMOR up vote brigaded user and block them. As should every legitimate user if they want their sub cleaned up. Self censor them. It's not fun for trolls if they don't get any attention.
1 tamrix 2018-03-22
Don't worry about it dude.
The ball of truth and freedom is rolling and they can't stop it any longer. The harder they try to stop it, the more obvious it becomes , the more people that see the truth and the harder they have to try to stop it.
They're super pissed off and angry that they've lost, that their sole purpose is to enrage you back. That's their deliberate tactic, to make you as angry as they are.
They're the lowest pieces of the pyramid. And to stop themselves being the lowest piece, they have to convince us be under them. And your only going to be under them if you take their problems and anger.
As soon as your triggered by their shit, they finally think what their doing is working. So they continue doing it because that's their biggest win all month.
Just tell them to have a nice day and goodbye. That's what pisses them of the most, knowing what their doing is ineffective, yet again.
1 wile_e_chicken 2018-03-22
Taking one for the team! :D
No worries, TMOR idiots lead us straight to truth. Those in-thread commenters claiming shills don't exist {{{glow brightly}}}. They're not fooling anyone -- rather, they're outting themselves.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Exactly. The vote count tells you everything you need to know.
1 wile_e_chicken 2018-03-22
Actually could be interesting to run a query on all posts that match this pattern. (Not implying that I know how to do that at this moment..)
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
We need Hagbro to write a python.
1 Thinkingfellersunion 2018-03-22
Yep. Report and block.
1 wile_e_chicken 2018-03-22
Another post with lots of comments and 0 upvotes. Tellin' ya man; this is datamining gold for identifying shillery.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
I have a formula. It seems to be working quite well.
1 Brucekillfist 2018-03-22
What you are is the new polkadotgirl.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
She's my gf.
1 AreEternal 2018-03-22
Oh Reddit power couple
1 dahdestroyer 2018-03-22
Good thing I've been working on my glamor muscles. I'm ready for the bout.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
/u/mohiben
Interesting accusations.
1 Xaviermgk 2018-03-22
I think he thinks you are going to shoot up 4chan or something. Or the hacker named 4chan.
The last resort they have is hand waving about people's mentality as if they are expert psychologists, but they can only talk in generalities so it looks generic af. Hey, you get your own Trump-like coverage on your own mental state! Wonder why they do the EXACT same thing the media does?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
You're right... I'm their reality TV show..
1 Xaviermgk 2018-03-22
You know what they say about small thinkers vs. big thinkers, right? They talk about people when there is an elephant in the room.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
You mean to say I am a Freudian actualization of their subconscious ego that they must attack to reconcile their inner Oedipus conflict...
1 Xaviermgk 2018-03-22
Electra complexes my dear friend. I don't credit them with much masculinity.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Hahaha!
1 Xaviermgk 2018-03-22
:)
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
I wonder what they would do if they knew i had a opera singer girl friend. Oops I might have just doxxed myself.
1 Xaviermgk 2018-03-22
I too have had an opera singer for a girlfriend. I couldn't remember a time going to karaoke and her NOT get a standing ovation. Then I would try and sing Dave Matthews or some shit and look like a little bitch.
Nah, I could do alright...but it's like...come on...
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
What no way. You have to be shitting me.. I have been to so many karaoke nights where people just leave after she sings lol.
1 Xaviermgk 2018-03-22
Yeah, everyone after her would give nervous glances at us, but yeah, she would change the dynamic which was interesting to watch.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
What are the odds..
1 Xaviermgk 2018-03-22
Have you watched American Gods?
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
No..
1 Xaviermgk 2018-03-22
The girl I dated looked almost exactly like Bilquis in the show, who is supposed to be the Queen of Sheba, more or less. I consider it a really weird synchronicity in my life, because American Gods is my favorite book. Eh, life continually turns out to be weirder than you'd expect.
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
#17 change the subject
1 ShitHitsTheMan 2018-03-22
He IS one
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
RMFN doesn't think I am.
1 Rockran 2018-03-22
Already answered in full. My lord.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
I am not hunting shills. I am just bringing awareness to the public of the phenomenon.
1 Crows_and_Beef 2018-03-22
No, and I think your harassment of the folks at TMOR is inappropriate.
1 HGpennypacker 2018-03-22
You got bitch-slapped to high heaven with this type of stuff yesterday, maybe give it a rest for a while.
1 RMFN 2018-03-22
Sharing information between friends isn't harassment, sweetie.
Might want to keep posting in /r/rickandmorty...
1 LetsSmashStacks 2018-03-22
Nope.
1 aleister 2018-03-22
COME AT ME BRO!