Targeted harassment for questioning the existence of shills.

0  2018-03-22 by RMFN

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/86bzc4/literal_shill_projection_machine_rmfn_is_writing

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/8621si/many_users_at_rconspiracy_discover_that_they_have

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/864bh8/concern_troll_rmfn_posts_the_gentle_persons_guide

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/8674r9/rcon_resident_shill_enthusiast_and_rumored

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/86d1ho/top_shill_asks_why_conspiracy_doesnt_ban_people

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/86dh6i/tippetty_toppest_of_top_minds_urmfn_i_am_actually

Edit; For all the people claiming that I am a right wing Trump supporter know this; FUCK TRUMP. Fuck democracy. Democracy is Stockholm syndrome. I do not support Trump, the right, or the left. I have transcensed the manufactured right left false dichotomy. I am an anarcho monarchist. We stand for liberty, community accountability, freedom of expression, and a yearly combative round robin of arm wrestling and competitive slam poetry to determine our worthy monarch.

Why was I banned from tmor? Why shouldn't we ban people from there if they ban people from here? It's pretty hypocritical that we have to cater to their particular form of autism that gets off on making fun of the views of other people, but we can't defend ourselves from that behavior because it's "not inclusive". Give me a fucking break.

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S.s. Any user who questions the existence of agent provocateurs or attempts to promote the awareness of agent provocateurs is harassed as insane by groups of a specific hate organization on Reddit. Top minds of Reddit is a hate speech group dedicated to harassment and bigoted language against people who are ideologically different than themselves. Twoxchromosomes bans individuals who post in ideologically opposed Subs. Why doesn't conspiracy?

Twoxchromosomes bans individuals who post in ideologically opposed Subs. Why doesn't conspiracy?

What ideology is r/conspiracy suppose to be? Are you saying this place should be right wing only?

Twoxchromosomes bans individuals who post in ideologically opposed Subs. Why doesn't conspiracy?

What ideology is r/conspiracy suppose to be? Are you saying this place should be right wing only?

Am I right wing??

I asked a specific question. Please clarify your remarks. Thanks.

What ideology is r/conspiracy suppose to be?

I asked a specific question. Please clarify your remarks. Thanks.

What ideology is r/conspiracy suppose to be?

Open minded. Anti authoritarian.

Open minded isn't an ideology. But thank you for answering my question.

Anti authoritarian.

You mean like setting up a group, labeling them PNG and systematically banning them.

Sounds a lot like authoritarian to me.

Open minded isn't an ideology. But thank you for answering my question.

Anti authoritarian.

You mean like setting up a group, labeling them PNG and systematically banning them.

Sounds a lot like authoritarian to me.

Open mindedness definitely has a particular month feel. Want a kiss to see what I mean?

And moderation of individuals determined to use known agent provocateur tactics is not authoritarian. It's simple moderation.

I moderate a ton of subs and have never had to create a secret sub and make lists of users to make sure one ideology is favored over others.

Is AstroTurfing a common thing you have seen in your time as a moderator?

Definitely. The Buddhists subs get shit on constantly by rival Buddhist factions (I shit you not). They even have rival subreddits where they would launch attacks. :D

The poetry sub was being gamed by a vote ring selling scam 'submit your poems here' nonsense. They were nasty fucks too.

We get trolls in the sports subs constantly but mostly, I just talk to them nicely and ask that they tone it down. People are remarkably willing to listen when you don't antagonize them like children do to one another.

Now, this place is way more contentious with the right and left divide. But I do believe there are better ways to handle things.

Like what? Do you ban people using known provocateur tactics?

I don't ban people. Probably banned a dozen over 10 years and those were either literal spam bots or Dox, death threat people.

You can do this moderation thing like an adult. There's no need for all the drama and fanning the flames nonsense.

I don't ban people. Probably banned a dozen over 10 years and those were either literal spam bots or Dox, death threat people.

You can do this moderation thing like an adult. There's no need for all the drama and fanning the flames nonsense.

"I don't ban people" "Probably banned a dozen"

So which is it? You don't ban people or you do?

I mean, most reasonable people would take what he said to mean that he bans extremely sparingly, and not without extreme cause, as he apparently averages about one ban every year. That's quite a lot of restraint.

You can't say you don't do something then say that you do it. That's called a contradiction.

Open mindedness definitely has a particular month feel. Want a kiss to see what I mean?

That doesn't mean anything.

And moderation of individuals determined to use known agent provocateur tactics is not authoritarian. It's simple moderation.

And who determines who those individuals are and policies them? The authorities here. Hmmmm, doesn't sound anti-authoritarian.

... So you suggest that conspiracy shouldn't be moderated at all?

The MOD team determines. Like every sub in history.

I was banned from Top minds of Reddit. Why might that have been? Was it because I have an opposing opinion to them? Why do you think they would ban a prominent poster in the conspiracy subreddit?

No it's because when I thread was posted about me I came to defend my position. Then I was banned. They are not open for a debate in their own forum so why should we accommodate them?

Makes sense that the shills and morons at Top Minds would target you for pointing out their degenerate actions. I've blocked most of them and it makes browsing the sub 100X better.

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/8621si/many_users_at_rconspiracy_discover_that_they_have

LMAO

So you think you're being harrassed, because you posted to a secret sub that you want users like me removed from THIS sub, for reasons which do not break any rules.

You don't get to cry victim.

You deny shills exist?

#17 change the subject

17 change the subject

(Inb4 any fools think i'm avoiding the question, i've already answered it before, RMFN is employing distraction tactics)

Back at ya Rocky.

It's a simple question. Do shills exist?

Why do you ask questions i've already answered?

Why do you ask questions i've already answered?

It's a simple question you should be able to answer it sufficiently when asked, rocky.

Already answered in full. My lord.

Already answered in full. My lord.

Clarify your position on the matter. My memory is quite bad.

You can search your history, m'lord.

Ah.

Careful w your resources, too. Only so much energy to expel.

He IS one

RMFN doesn't think I am.

You got bitch-slapped to high heaven with this type of stuff yesterday, maybe give it a rest for a while.

You got bitch-slapped to high heaven with this type of stuff yesterday, maybe give it a rest for a while.

Never.

Yes I was invited to the conclave. It was organized to address the problems in conspiracy in a way that includes the "core" members and not just mods. Is a group of people sharing their ideas about the direction of the sub a bad thing?

And did you read the thread in question? That "list" was in no was a definitive list, it was just a sampling to share ideas about the behavior of specific users.

When it's regarding a public sub, but it's only mods that have the power to change things and people that they approved to be part of it, yeah that's bad thing.

Decisions about the directions of this sub should be public, not just the pre-approved people that support their agenda.

You can ask the moderators why they chose the conclave for discussion. I was only invited to participate. I did not form it.

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/8621si/many_users_at_rconspiracy_discover_that_they_have

LMAO

So you think you're being harrassed, because you posted to a secret sub that you want users like me removed from THIS sub, for reasons which do not break any rules.

You don't get to cry victim.

Stop editing every comment. I didn't think I had to quote you.

Stop crying victim when you don't deserve sympathy.

Stop crying victim when you don't deserve sympathy.

Every living being deserves sympathy.

Why?

Why?

Because equality is an objective good

So now you think equality is good but when the topic is your little conclave some are more equal than others?

So now you think equality is good but when the topic is your little conclave some are more equal than others?

Equality for all living beings. Bots aren't alone silly.

Look I don't wanna argue with you but the leaked screenshot made it seem like you guys were talking about banning "political dissidents" and not bots.

Look I don't wanna argue with you but the leaked screenshot made it seem like you guys were talking about banning "political dissidents" and not bots.

Bullshit. We are going to purge those here to disrupt.

I guess I'm a strong candidate because I don't neccessarily believe in the same things the "inner circle" does and post accordingly.Neat.

It's not about beliefs it's about behavior.

You shouldn't use behaviour as a criteria. Especially in a sub with so many emotionally charged topics.

Why not? You think the mods should moderate based on ideology?

Let me state something first. 1. I believe there are bots and shills. 2.I believe the problem is far smaller than made out to be.

With that being said,moderation should be minimal and only occur in the case of extreme derailment,slander,libel or petty slapfights. Ideology should play no part.The subscribers should handle content via up/downvoting.

Let me state something first. 1. I believe there are bots and shills. 2.I believe the problem is far smaller than made out to be.

With that being said,moderation should be minimal and only occur in the case of extreme derailment,slander,libel or petty slapfights. Ideology should play no part.The subscribers should handle content via up/downvoting.

How can we handle things via voting when the voting is so obviously gamed?

Does Hillary?

Is she alive?

Last I checked yeah

Then my above comment applies.

Clicked your links. Where's the harassment?

Do you not see the one where they discuss my political ideology?

Is discussing your political ideology harassment? What if they kept a list of people with different political ideologies than themselves and discussed banning those users. Would that also be harassment?

Making fun of it and denying it agency by claiming it doesn't exist is definitely a form of mockery if not harassment.

What was it Oscar Wilde said about not being spoken about ?

Laugh it off. Ignore it. Move on.

What was it Oscar Wilde said about not being spoken about ?

Laugh it off. Ignore it. Move on.

Did fat people hate move on when their lifestyle was denied agency through constant harassment and traumatic triggers?

Now just because a group of people don’t do something doesn’t mean you have to react the same way.

Now just because a group of people don’t do something doesn’t mean you have to react the same way.

Fight fire with fire.

and burn the whole world to the ground. Stop man, just stop. You are causing more harm than good.

and burn the whole world to the ground. Stop man, just stop. You are causing more harm than good.

/u/Saintcmb

I'd like to know how other users have this particular user tagged in their res.

So now you are targeting others to harass.

Sharing information between friends isn't harassment, sweetie.

Might want to keep posting in /r/rickandmorty...

You linked my username and asked people to tag me. You know what you are doing, you are just not smart enough to get me to take the bait.

And just last night I saw you chew someone else out for calling you sweetie. And here you go, pulling the same shit.

You linked my username and asked people to tag me. You know what you are doing, you are just not smart enough to get me to take the bait.

And just last night I saw you chew someone else out for calling you sweetie. And here you go, pulling the same shit.

I did no such thing. I asked to know other people that use res already have you tagged. Putting words in peoples mouths is what tmor does.

Sweetie, cutie, honey pie!

18 Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.

Glad you reminded me about that handbook, I've been seeing those tactics used more and more lately.

#18 Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.

Glad you reminded me about that handbook, I've been seeing those tactics used more and more lately.

/u/letssmashstacks

Did I ever say those tactics warrant useful?

Did I ever say those tactics warrant useful?

/u/RMFN

Here is what you said:

The gentle person's guide to forum spies is in the sidebar. I suggest you read it. That's our guide book for finding the shills.

That's how we find the shills according to you, yet you're using those tactics.

Did I ever say those tactics warrant useful?

/u/RMFN

Here is what you said:

The gentle person's guide to forum spies is in the sidebar. I suggest you read it. That's our guide book for finding the shills.

That's how we find the shills according to you, yet you're using those tactics.

Are you calling me a shill?

Nope.

Note: user posts in tmor.

I sure do. I subscribed to that sub also, even though I post in here more often.

YOU ARE NOT A GATEKEEPER

I sure do. I subscribed to that sub also, even though I post in here more often.

YOU ARE NOT A GATEKEEPER

K.

/u/saintcmb

You didn't need to link my name in a reply to me. So why did you? You are either trying to get the conclave to tag me, or you are snitching on me. And since I didn't break any rules, you have no reason to snitch.

/u/saintcmb

You didn't need to link my name in a reply to me. So why did you? You are either trying to get the conclave to tag me, or you are snitching on me. And since I didn't break any rules, you have no reason to snitch.

I'm quoting you so I have a record in case you delete all of your comments.

Bullshit. There is no reason why I would need to go back and delete that comment, and there is no reason why you would need to archive that comment. Why are you keeping a record of people's comments anyways? Thats pretty fucking creepy man.

And finally, spend a few minutes gathering your thoughts in to one reply. Im not responding to 4 different posts.

Bullshit. There is no reason why I would need to go back and delete that comment, and there is no reason why you would need to archive that comment. Why are you keeping a record of people's comments anyways? Thats pretty fucking creepy man.

And finally, spend a few minutes gathering your thoughts in to one reply. Im not responding to 4 different posts.

K.

Well, I shouldn't have given you the benefit of doubt. Bye bye

Well, I shouldn't have given you the benefit of doubt. Bye bye

Farewell. See you soon.

yo man you know this:

See you soon.
looks like a threat, right?

yo man you know this:

See you soon.

looks like a threat, right?

You too chuck. I'll be there. Just got the invite today.

Wow, you think I'm creepy fkr quoting you. That's pretty paranoid.

So calling out people in public for known provocateur behavior is being a snitch?

Why was I banned from tmor? Why shouldn't we ban people from there if they ban people from here? It's pretty hypocritical that we have to cater to your particular form of autism that gets off on making fun of the views of other people, but we can't defend ourselves from that behavior because it's "not inclusive". Give me a fucking break.

Why was I banned from tmor?

probably for being a jerk, Ive witnessed it and called you out for it many times.

Why was I banned from tmor?

probably for being a jerk, Ive witnessed it and called you out for it many times.

Ah, so making fun of tmor members will get you banned from tmor?

Why was I banned from tmor?

probably for being a jerk, Ive witnessed it and called you out for it many times.

Being a jerk is ban able offence in tmor?

You are a hostile hypocrite not interested in any real conversation. Its just shill shill shill. You have nothing to add to any conversation, and you hardly answer questions. You have very anti-social tendencies.

Have I called anyone a shill?

You are a hostile hypocrite not interested in any real conversation. Its just shill shill shill. You have nothing to add to any conversation, and you hardly answer questions. You have very anti-social tendencies.

thats all you talk about, and it is a very one-sided conversation. You cant take a hint or you refuse to. That is anti-social behavior.

thats all you talk about, and it is a very one-sided conversation. You cant take a hint or you refuse to. That is anti-social behavior.

I have made posts on a wide variety of subjects, including but not exclusive to shills.

thats all you talk about, and it is a very one-sided conversation. You cant take a hint or you refuse to. That is anti-social behavior.

It's anti agent provocateur behavior. Ftfy

I sure do. I subscribed to that sub also, even though I post in here more often.

YOU ARE NOT A GATEKEEPER

/u/saintcmb

Why was I banned from tmor? Why shouldn't we ban people from there if they ban people from here? It's pretty hypocritical that we have to cater to your particular form of autism that gets off on making fun of the views of other people, but we can't defend ourselves from that behavior because it's "not inclusive". Give me a fucking break.

Here's a DM that /u/RMFN (OP) sent to a recently banned /r/conspiracy user:

Subject: Good riddance. I hope you learn your lesson. Maybe youll be a bit more effective next time. See you in a few months. Or whenever you choose to make an alt. Best, RMFN.

Might want to brush up on reddit's tos before posting users pm's.

i'm sorry but who elected you the 'shill hunter' of this sub?

i'm sorry but who elected you the 'shill hunter' of this sub?

I am not hunting shills. I am just bringing awareness to the public of the phenomenon.

Could've sworn just a day or two ago you were going through people's post histories and telling them whether or not they were a shill.

Am I wrong?

I never said anyone was a shill. I just said particular behavior can be determined to fit within a rubric of known provocateur tactics.

He calls them "subjects" so it's okay

This comes off like tattletaling.

This comes off like tattletaling.

...

You think harassment of people based off of their beliefs should be permitted?

No, and I think your harassment of the folks at TMOR is inappropriate.

No, and I think your harassment of the folks at TMOR is inappropriate.

How am I harassing anyone, crows_and_beef?

You're not. I made it up. Just like you made up the "harassment" you received.

You're not. I made it up. Just like you made up the "harassment" you received.

Oh, just a liar then. /r/rickandmorty is that way =======>

Please stop harassing me.

Please stop harassing me.

/u/croes_and_beef

Respect me and I'll respect you. It's a two way street.

There's no need for everyone to come in here and report everyone they don't like.

You guys know who you're engaging with and choose to participate in a shitshow thread so don't go whining and reporting everyone when you get shit on.

^ this is spam

/s

COME AT ME BRO!

ПРАВИЛО ШЕСТЬ

REPORTED!

"quit targeting meeeee!!!!!"

stop harassing crows and beef dude

So people should not be harassed because of what they believe?

Ouch mate, ya got bombarded here lol

This thread looks like one of /u/axolotl_peyotl if he dares go against the narrative hahahahaha

Yeah, the comment chains in this post are totally not being brigaded with up/down votes. /s

Take notes.

I just report them as TMOR up vote brigaded user and block them. As should every legitimate user if they want their sub cleaned up. Self censor them. It's not fun for trolls if they don't get any attention.

Don't worry about it dude.

The ball of truth and freedom is rolling and they can't stop it any longer. The harder they try to stop it, the more obvious it becomes , the more people that see the truth and the harder they have to try to stop it.

They're super pissed off and angry that they've lost, that their sole purpose is to enrage you back. That's their deliberate tactic, to make you as angry as they are.

They're the lowest pieces of the pyramid. And to stop themselves being the lowest piece, they have to convince us be under them. And your only going to be under them if you take their problems and anger.

As soon as your triggered by their shit, they finally think what their doing is working. So they continue doing it because that's their biggest win all month.

Just tell them to have a nice day and goodbye. That's what pisses them of the most, knowing what their doing is ineffective, yet again.

Taking one for the team! :D

No worries, TMOR idiots lead us straight to truth. Those in-thread commenters claiming shills don't exist {{{glow brightly}}}. They're not fooling anyone -- rather, they're outting themselves.

Exactly. The vote count tells you everything you need to know.

Actually could be interesting to run a query on all posts that match this pattern. (Not implying that I know how to do that at this moment..)

We need Hagbro to write a python.

Yep. Report and block.

Another post with lots of comments and 0 upvotes. Tellin' ya man; this is datamining gold for identifying shillery.

I have a formula. It seems to be working quite well.

What you are is the new polkadotgirl.

She's my gf.

Oh Reddit power couple

Good thing I've been working on my glamor muscles. I'm ready for the bout.

They need to stop empowering RMFN, he has been going off the deep end lately. His posting reads like he'll show up somewhere with a gun screaming about the Shills soon.

/u/mohiben

Interesting accusations.

I think he thinks you are going to shoot up 4chan or something. Or the hacker named 4chan.

The last resort they have is hand waving about people's mentality as if they are expert psychologists, but they can only talk in generalities so it looks generic af. Hey, you get your own Trump-like coverage on your own mental state! Wonder why they do the EXACT same thing the media does?

You're right... I'm their reality TV show..

You know what they say about small thinkers vs. big thinkers, right? They talk about people when there is an elephant in the room.

You mean to say I am a Freudian actualization of their subconscious ego that they must attack to reconcile their inner Oedipus conflict...

Electra complexes my dear friend. I don't credit them with much masculinity.

Hahaha!

:)

I wonder what they would do if they knew i had a opera singer girl friend. Oops I might have just doxxed myself.

I too have had an opera singer for a girlfriend. I couldn't remember a time going to karaoke and her NOT get a standing ovation. Then I would try and sing Dave Matthews or some shit and look like a little bitch.

Nah, I could do alright...but it's like...come on...

What no way. You have to be shitting me.. I have been to so many karaoke nights where people just leave after she sings lol.

Yeah, everyone after her would give nervous glances at us, but yeah, she would change the dynamic which was interesting to watch.

What are the odds..

Have you watched American Gods?

No..

The girl I dated looked almost exactly like Bilquis in the show, who is supposed to be the Queen of Sheba, more or less. I consider it a really weird synchronicity in my life, because American Gods is my favorite book. Eh, life continually turns out to be weirder than you'd expect.

#17 change the subject

He IS one

RMFN doesn't think I am.

Already answered in full. My lord.

i'm sorry but who elected you the 'shill hunter' of this sub?

I am not hunting shills. I am just bringing awareness to the public of the phenomenon.

No, and I think your harassment of the folks at TMOR is inappropriate.

You got bitch-slapped to high heaven with this type of stuff yesterday, maybe give it a rest for a while.

Sharing information between friends isn't harassment, sweetie.

Might want to keep posting in /r/rickandmorty...

Nope.

COME AT ME BRO!