Social media and the impure

4  2018-03-22 by incredipwn

Now we hear every one an a while of another 'scandal' of social media. Whether it be the twitter silencing controversial figures or the 'adpocalypse' on youtube (making it themtube), these all seem to have a deeper meaning than just some one-off thing. But none of these get reported on by the media, or all the reporting is such that "Huzzah, a win for xx group" (insert race, religious, or otherwise 'minorty' in xx)

Take the Adpocalpyse as people call it on youtube. While this one may be a bit more obvious, it is in all respects a way of silencing the non-globalist, non-intersectional crowd.

Twitter has recently tried to take the 'Verified' status away from some of the users that the company disagrees with. Ok, this, as with youtube, is trying to purify the platform of those dirty non-globalists.

Take what reddit did yesterday. Banning DNM reddits, Cigar, beer, gun trade reddits, along with some other 'impure' subreddits. These seems to be a ideological motivation behind these actions. These also seem to be actions that Reddit is taking to undermine the freedom of speech present here that is not present on facebook or twitter.

Now I'm not trying to say all these organizations are pushing the same agenda together, but it seems all of them are pushing it nonetheless. And its quite concerning because I think it limits the public talk about these subjects.

I hold 1984 to be a gold standard in a handbook to tyranny, along with some others, but one of the few things I've remembered from it that was quite important, is that there was a moral purity that each party member must have. And even leaving the works of fiction, each totalitarian rule requires a moral purity to the party (see communism or theocracy). In communism, the purity is that everyone is completely equal, and that no one can be unequal. In Theocratic states, the purity is that of the religion they worship.

Much of the social justice movement we've seen over the last few years has levereged power by creating a new purity - one where ANYTHING CONSIDERED anti (insert race/religion/gender here) is something that is off limits. For example, look at the stuff that has happened with Count Dankula the other day, where the dude quite literally got convicted of making a joke.

Yet the fundamental standards of democracy and the west really is that we oppose this purity, saying that for each his own. So why the hell are these organizations stripping away the POSSIBILITY of becoming impure. Why the hell are people BEGGING for it (just look at /r/politics or (god why do i have to use this) /r/LateStageCapitalism ). Why the hell are people so content while their right to freely think is being stripped to the bone?

But it seems that somehow, instead of people being worried that these sites are banning dissenters, they say that it is a WIN. A WIN FOR HUMAN KIND. Doesn't that seem a bit concerning though? Should we not be more inclined to benefit the individual first then the human kind second? Why are we prioritizing the goodness of a group, the protection of a group, rather than the goodness of each individual? I'd love to hear you guys' thoughts on this.

Also, when the hell did corporations become the rulers of what we can and cannot say, what is morally right and what is taboo?

50 comments

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

Ethnonationalists don't exactly have a lot of room to complain about "fundamental standards of democracy" nor "purity tests."

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

Ethnonationalists and the like don't exactly have a lot of room to complain about "fundamental standards of democracy" or "purity tests." Compared to what they want to do to the people they think are "impure" (displacement and/or genocide), getting banned from a private website is pretty light.

Not saying everyone subject to this censorship falls in that group...but the ones who do have no license to bitch and moan.

Yet Israeli ethnonationalism is paraded as an exemplar of democracy. Can you explain the contradiction?

1  SirOliver_Clothesoff 2018-03-22

Hmm you seem to be employing shill tactics that love to accuse others of

Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. 

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

Wait, are you implying Israel isn't an ethnostate? Or what? Because that is a legitimate question.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

#9 Play Dumb

#3 Topic dilution

#4 Use a straw man

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

Deflection.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

You started the deflection with your "whatabout Israel" argument with someone (me) who didn't even hold the opinion you were reacting against (aka a strawman).

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

You started the deflection with your "whatabout Israel" (topic dilution/change the subject) argument with someone (me) who didn't even hold the opinion you were reacting against (aka a strawman).

Anything and everything you can think to do to avoid talking about white ethnonationalism. Hmmm I wonder why you're so invested in deflecting attention away from it to talk about (((Zionists)))?

.... Lots of whataboutisms and veiled accusations.

1  fuckedyourfaceoff 2018-03-22

It's hilarious and ironic because you're deflecting by accusing him of deflecting.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

Actually that's what he did first when he deflected from the topic at hand (the ethnonationalists being banned from some sites) to Israel.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

If ehtnonationaist are going to be banned should /r/israel be banned? In your opinion.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

I don't know that subreddit so I can't say. Israel doesn't have to be ethnonationalist, it could be reformed as a nation to provide full rights and dignity to Arabs. Thus I wouldn't support banning it simply for being "r/israel"

If the users there actively and near-unanimously promote an ethnonationalist conception of Israel, however, then no, I would not shed a tear if it was banned.

The way I look at it, they're getting a toned-down treatment of what they would do to others.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

I think we actually agree... That's strange.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

Well if you weren't so antagonistic and always trying to strawman me into a position you're eager to argue against...you'd probably find out it's way more common than you think.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

Well if you weren't always trying to strawman me into a position you're eager to argue against...you'd probably find out it's way more common than you think.

Ohh. Is that what I do?

1  fuckedyourfaceoff 2018-03-22

Also just wanted everyone to go look at this user's post history. "Anontifa" is a commie loser.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

You must be new around here lol.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

What are your politics again? Anarchist?

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

Topic dilution dude come on you're not even trying.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

Comon man this thread is diluted enough.

Another deflection.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

If I tell you, will you accept the answer and move on, or will you keep diluting further?

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

I don't see the problem in deflecting a deflection/dillution. That's how one stays on topic.

I can tell you don't see a problem with it. Deflecting is all you're capable of apparently.

1  CovfefeAddictedMonky 2018-03-22

This Anontifa subhuman retard is a subhuman retard. It spends all it's time making up victim stories and making teary eyed rich communist hipster anti capitalist liberal superiority garbage with a bunch of r/im14andthisisdeep bullshit bravado talk like it's autistic or some shit. It's hands down the worst thing in this sub.

1  SirOliver_Clothesoff 2018-03-22

You changed the subject and accused the top commenter of being contradictory, why? Is it ever possible to talk about ethno nationalism in North America (it usually tends to be white nationalist) without switching the subject to a completely different country or people?

It's possible to be against all ethno nationalists

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

Again;

Wait, are you implying Israel isn't an ethnostate? Or what?

1  SirOliver_Clothesoff 2018-03-22

No one brought up Isreal except for you No one implied or supported Israeli nationalism except for you.

Any form of ethno nationalism is bad right?

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

No one brought up Isreal except for you No one implied or supported Israeli nationalism except for you.

Any form of ethno nationalism is bad right?

Yes. All nationalism is poison. The only legitimate system of governance that falls within the non aggression principle is anarcho monarchism.

1  SirOliver_Clothesoff 2018-03-22

Yes. All nationalism is poison. The only legitimate system of governance that falls within the non aggression principle is anarcho monarchism.

Hmm never really heard of that how can a monarch rule over an anarchy? Or am I missing the point entirely? I have a buddy that keeps trying to sell me on something like socialism + monarchy but he sounds stupid when he talks about it

I like what we got in north America, if people do play by the rules it is the best system and it has the checks and balances to mitigate a tyranny... Or at least makes it take a lot longer to destablish the current system

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

Lol I'm so glad I started this trend.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

It's not a contradiction for me. I agree entirely that Israel is a fucked up, non-democratic ethnostate.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

I'm not really talking about conspiracy theorists like you or me. In talking about the manufactured perspective delivered by the media. That white or Catalonain "zoinism" is labelled hate speech but the media holds up Jewish Zionism as a undeniable fact of progress.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

Massive topic dilution, then.

1  SirOliver_Clothesoff 2018-03-22

Lol this guy is something else. Makes multiple threads on shill tactics and then uses said shill tactics himself over and over

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

So you aren't going to address the points I made? You're just going to accuse me of being a shill. Classy.

1  SirOliver_Clothesoff 2018-03-22

So you aren't going to address the points I made? You're just going to accuse me of being a shill. Classy.

Did you not read the words he wrote?

I agree entirely that Israel is a fucked up, proto-fascist ethnostate and have zero license to hold the banner of democracy. So what's the contradiction then?

Stop mudding the waters

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

So you aren't going to address the points I made?

I already did, which was 10x more than your deflection and topic dilution occurred, maybe you can go back to the top level comment and address my points about the contradiction of ethnonationlists claiming offense under the motiffs of "democracy" and "purity."

You're just going to accuse me of being a shill. Classy.

As I said in the thread yesterday, I don't think you're a shill, just a bad conversationalist who makes ample use of the tactics you think are for shills.

I know you really want to get me banned, but Playing Dumb (#9) about what I'm implying with these callouts is a pretty disingenuous, underhanded way to do it.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

So you aren't going to address the points I made?

I already did, which was 10x more than your deflection and topic dilution occurred, maybe you can go back to the top level comment and address my points about the contradiction of ethnonationlists claiming offense under the motiffs of "democracy" and "purity."

You're just going to accuse me of being a shill. Classy.

As I said in the thread yesterday, I don't think you're a shill, just a bad conversationalist who makes ample use of the tactics you think are for shills.

I know you really want to get me banned, but Playing Dumb (#9) about what I'm implying with these callouts is a pretty disingenuous, underhanded, strawmanny (#4) way to do it.

You mad bro?

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

#18 Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

#18 Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.

K.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

You approve of the censorship of individuals based off of their beliefs? And not their actions?

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

I disapprove of censorship by bodies with the authority to use force (ie States). I approve of free association. Forcing a private organization to host someone else's content is a violation of the NAP.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

#4 Strawman

I disapprove of censorship by bodies with the authority to use force (ie States). I approve of free association, which also entails freedom of disassociation. Forcing a private organization to host someone else's content is a violation of the NAP.

Ah, so you think it is okay for a private entity to "censor" I.e. remove the content of people based off of their beliefs and ideology. Thanks for clearing that up.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

If you come into my house and say some awful shit (btw, speech is an action) then I'm going to kick you out. Anybody who forces me to allow you to stay is violating the NAP.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

Hosting debates is forcing people to speak on subjects?

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

That's...not what I said at all.

Forcing me to host you is the violation of my rights. A right to speak is not a right to an audience.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

That's...not what I said at all.

Forcing me to host you is the violation of my rights.

Clarify?

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

Oh thanks for the edit that clears everything up.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

A site that has an interface that allows anyone to make an account is a bit different than you as a person though, is it not? We have freedom of speech in a mall I.e. a private entity, why not online?

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

If you come into my house and say some awful shit (btw, speech is an action) then I'm going to kick you out. Anybody who forces me to allow you to stay is violating the NAP.

Define awful.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

Doesn't matter. My house. My rules.

1  RMFN 2018-03-22

Sounds pretty authoritarian.

1  SirOliver_Clothesoff 2018-03-22

So you aren't going to address the points I made? You're just going to accuse me of being a shill. Classy.

Did you not read the words he wrote?

I agree entirely that Israel is a fucked up, proto-fascist ethnostate and have zero license to hold the banner of democracy. So what's the contradiction then?

Stop mudding the waters

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

So you aren't going to address the points I made?

I already did, which was 10x more than your deflection and topic dilution occurred, maybe you can go back to the top level comment and address my points about the contradiction of ethnonationlists claiming offense under the motiffs of "democracy" and "purity."

You're just going to accuse me of being a shill. Classy.

As I said in the thread yesterday, I don't think you're a shill, just a bad conversationalist who makes ample use of the tactics you think are for shills.

I know you really want to get me banned, but Playing Dumb (#9) about what I'm implying with these callouts is a pretty disingenuous, underhanded way to do it.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

Topic dilution dude come on you're not even trying.

1  Anontifa 2018-03-22

Doesn't matter. My house. My rules.