Tilted my perspective with this one. I could see how it would feed the mass production brain. I am going to tell my wife this the next time she wants me to take out the recycling. I might get recycled myself if I am not careful.

natural expression of society

Are you saying that throwing things in the trash is a way of expressing yourself?

...what a convoluted way of demonizing recycling. If the choice is between recycling and not recycling, don't be an asshole and throw stuff in the trash. It's not complicated.

Never throw the baby out with the bathwater.

There is most certainly a middle ground.

I wish you didn't do that framing thing. Makes discussion very hard.

Very interesting perspective. I think you might actually be spot on with this insight, OP.

He isn't and it's a load of bullshit.

You think you are being mandated to recycle when that simply isn't the case at all. You are a retard.

You think you are being mandated to recycle when that simply isn't the case at all. You are a retard.

Good argument here. I was leaning towards agreeing with OP here but when you called him a retard I came over to your side. Thanks for helping me out here.

Good. I hope OPs retardedness isn't contagious onto you.

I hope your easily manipulated emotions aren't contagious.

Lol says the person who's decided recycling is a plot to destroy Western Civilization because someone was called a retard

Good God this is a stupid logic.

1) Come up with something dumb

2) People tell you it's dumb

3) I'm a genius!

Recycling is the third recommendation of the Three R's: 1. Reduce
2. Reuse 3. Recycle

Yeah, I agree with quite a bit of what you're saying OP, but it still has its place. We certainly need to address our addiction to consumption, and I think recycling can play a role here by reintroducing people to the cycle of production. It doesn't take long before they learn about the staggering amount of resources required for this palliative measure, soon they'll be confronting the economic system currently gutting the earth.

I think there is a middle ground somewhere between what you're saying and people who preach recycling. Recycling is not going to save the world. It's a small step to try to slow the destruction of the world at our own hands.

Yes, it's better if a person doesn't create any trash or waste that needs recycling in the lifetime, but that's impossible. Given that, it's better to recycle and do what you can to reduce all that you use in the first place. So - yeah, use a cup or a thermos instead of bottled water (where you can - and where you can't, consider getting your own water filtering system). But if you do buy a carton of orange juice once and a while, don't be an asshole and recycle the carton.

Exactly, it's just about reducing the negative impact you have on the environment so you and your kids don't have to wade through shit.

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China has just announced it won't take plastic recycling from Australia anymore. We didn't even know our bottles were being recycled there! Turns out a lot of it was being burned anyway. So australia has had a real wake up call: we can't just throw our drink bottles in the recycling bin and feel that we are clean and green. Recycling plastic in australia would be astronomically expensive, and if we change our bottles to glass - our glass recycling is at capacity already. So let's see if we find a solution or retreat into full denial. I can see councils collecting recycling in separate trucks then quietly dumping it in landfill if it keeps people happy.