Expect round two from our hapless visitors.

Anyone who's spent time here can see through their attack technique, and nobody is buying their fake concern comments.

Anyone who's spent time here can see through their attack technique, and nobody is buying their fake concern comments.

What?

There’s a huge difference between skepticism and harassment.

Why on Earth do you think things will be any different than they are? This behavior is absolutely normal. You have an agenda, they have an agenda, you're on the fringe, they win. Plus you seem kinda jerky.

I see. You have everything figured out, you're right, everyone else is wrong.

What discussion? Pretty clear to me where the problem is.

And where might that be?

Perhaps a metaphor can explain. A very funny joke, poorly delivered, isn't funny.

Or perhaps you can say what you mean instead of vaguely insulting someone...

Wait. Is that a vague insult?

What discussion?

That one you are refusing to participate in.

It's a rhetorical question.

It was a rhetorical reply.

I don't think this sort of belittling comment does justice to u/axolotl_peyotl's actual mental faculties.

Oh I guess I should just belittle everyone who has a different opinion so I can stay on par.

We are on the right side of history, and this pisses them off.

How cocky you are. You cant possibly know what side of history you are on. And you exposed who you really are, a mod that is more concerned with "winning" than maintaining the integrity of the sub.

You know the powers that be divide us to maintain the status quo. And you are actively helping them.

We are on the right side of history, and this pisses them off.

How cocky you are. You cant possibly know what side of history you are on. And you exposed who you really are, a mod that is more concerned with "winning" than maintaining the integrity of the sub.

You know the powers that be divide us to maintain the status quo. And you are actively helping them.

Did you just describe yourself?

And yes, truth is objective, therefore we can know that we are on the right side of history because we stand for truth.

And you exposed who you really are, a mod that is more concerned with "winning" than maintaining the integrity of the sub.

He is someone who wants to belong (or who wants to believe he belongs) to the side of those writing history.

They say "agenda" because it has a negative connotation. Believing and standing for ideals of truth, justice, and anti authoritarianism should not have to be explained.

They don't what people with convictions to be in positions of authority because someone who has something to believe in is worth 1000x someone who does as they are told.

Look into the history of the Cromwellian revolution in England. They would chant in unison "god is my strength" as they entered combat against the kings conscripted army. They won because they were fighting for something they believed in. They weren't just going through the motions doing as they were told.

That was very subtle of you. Why fight back against the people subverting open discussion? Is it really that difficult to answer?

Whining isn't fighting back. Just march on with your head high. Be respectful, listen. You can lead a horse to water...

"Be respectful" tell that to TMOR

If they are held to a specific standard of behavior then their tactics are ineffective. At c_s_t we rarely see any aggression because being an asshole is against the golden rule. Holding everyone to a specific level of decorum will eliminate the belittling and snarky comments that are meant to discourage people from discussing specific topics. Humor and satire are one thing, making fun of people another.

Discussion of subversion isn't whining, it's acknowledging there is a problem which I think the community is open to suggestions for solutions. None of which have been implemented to stop the problem, hence the whining you mention. We all want a free and open forum to discuss the things we see in our world, is that not acceptable?

Same thing we have been wanting for decades. This is how it always goes. I've already beaten my head against that wall. If we swim in the same pool as the kids, there will be pee in the water.

Honestly today is not the same as it once was. We we're warned count less times by brilliant minds about the world we now live in, but it wasn't "always this way". The world didn't have a private company data mining their phones to build profiles. We didn't have the blatantly suppression of Truth for narrative, it used to be subtle and done in secret. Now it's done without much thought into being caught because the world has been tamed to controversy without justice. It's been the trend since 9/11 and the point of it is to divide the populous so they never agree on when and why we need to stop those on power when in truth all sides are in on the evil and good men remain idle all the while.

We all want a free and open forum to discuss the things

Maybe that is how you really feel, but this mod and select users created a secret sub they call the concalve where they discuss purging anti-Trump users.

Seriously enough with the blatant lies, this place isn’t TD2.0 anymore then it’s r/politics. Every thread has a comment with like 500 upvotes saying “this place is overrun with trumptards!” Well if it really was overrun would those types of comments be the one sitting at the top? Seriously think people think!

You are accusing me of lying?

I’m saying to stop spreading the lie that this place is “td2.0” or taken over by “trumptards”.

You put td2.0 and trumptards in quotes, but I didnt use those words. That is a blatant lie.

You put td2.0 and trumptards in quotes, but I didnt use those words. That is a blatant lie.

What is your claim? That everyone here is a Trump supporter?

Can you not read?

They’re not subverting open discussion. If anything they’re just participating in it.

It used to be different and it's getting worse. It is neither organic nor normal.

Pointing this out is useful. Discussing it is useful. Options should be discussed. Strategies should be discussed. Alternatives should be discussed.

I'm trying hard to see the hurt here. But I just can't. Reading the post twice, all I can think is "so what" and "how can I get those 94 seconds of my life back?"

I have no idea what TMOR is but I agree with that top commenter. You are always spamming this sub with these "poor me posts" and it does get annoying IMO.

TMOR is like r/insanepeoplefacebook except they collect posts from Reddit. Mostly from the r/conspiracy because you can usually rely on the posters to be the perfect combination of crazy and sensitive so that you get the comedy from the initial post and then the drama when people get mad about being laughed at and make new threads whining about it.

More accurately stated - They're an admin-condoned harassment sub, they refer to the people they mock and harass as "Top Minds", a satire to reflect that the people they make fun of supposedly think they've got everything figured out while discussing that which is not part of a specific set of accepted group think, the accepted group think being typically aligned with MSM and Shareblue narrative. They regularly brigade threads of anyone who delves to entertain discussion of ideas outside of the bubble of right-think. Because AP is an objective thinker that does not particularly prescribe to one narrative or another he has become a prime target, because he helps others to stray from the accepted/pushed narrative.

This post is reverse-harassment.

Your comment is reversr-intelligence

...nice

How is that? Who is being harassed here, in your view?

B.s. the sub is linked in the post...

And they've commented on a number of previous threads where TMoR were explicitly the topic of discussion. Has anyone else noticed an increase in accounts lying to make their arguments appear more acceptable depending different contexts?

Has anyone else noticed an increase in accounts lying to make their arguments appear more acceptable depending different contexts?

I'm assuming this is directed at me as well. Sorry I don't pay attention to the numerous subs that are only about what goes on in other subs. Seems like a waste of time and just a general circle jerk.

So you reply in threads without reading any of the subject matter? That's odd.

It's the same post day after day. I don't read spam posts. I wish it wasn't allowed here.

How would you know it's the same post day after day if you haven't even read them to begin with?

Cause I skim over them cause the title reeks of spam.

At least you admit you don't put in the due diligence before contributing in a thread, usually I get much more adorable responses when calling someone out on obvious bullshit.

Agree to disagree.

Yeah I didn't click on all the links. We AP posts this same thing tomorrow I'll make sure to be more thorough before commenting.

Thanks for the heads up though.

You are always spamming this sub with these "poor me posts"

Conspiracy theories rely on victimization fantasies, that's why there's so much overlap with fascists like nazis and Birchers who literally think they're oppressed by (((teh jews)))

Source?

CNN

Too bad he deleted the comment :p

I have no idea what TMOR is

But you’ve somehow managed to participate over there.

Shhhh, you'll ruin the act

Ssssslammmed! Thank you. Playing his mewly little "I just don't know WHAT's going on!!!" Such bullshit.

Really? I don't remember that. Maybe I saw it on ALL and found the content interesting. My bad if I'm wrong.

Really? I don't remember that. Maybe I jumped in there from ALL at one point but I don't recall doing so.

But you don't even know what the sub is?

I didn't tell I went through the post more a minute ago. ALL will take you to a lot of different subs if you didn't know.

You don't have to know what a sub is to make a comment on a post from r/all.

Interesting to be a thread before the outside groups are able to link to it.

I suppose watching this thread itself change over the next hour, as it will inventively be posted to a few hatesubreddits, will be interesting.

Thank you for posting these, despite the inevitible top comment to every post you make crying out against the recognition of blatent manipulation I find these posts to be of high value for this community. No amount of strawmen comparing valid observations to "whining" and "playing the victim" will detract from the overall message I've seen you champion throughout this subreddit - Discovering the truth is more important than validating our current beliefs.

In before someone mentions T_D and then later complaining about how it's everyone else in this sub using whataboutism...

Ah shut it. Whataboutism is overplayed and ridiculous to begin with.

It is a word invented to discredit a rational thought.

agreed. Happy cake day.

Ha, Thanks. Didn't even know.

Ah shut it. Whataboutism is overplayed and ridiculous to begin with.

In my initial grumpiness reading about tmor, I think I read your post wrong, sorry if I did...

Lol all good man.

This is why I don't frequent this sub any longer. Not because of TMoR, they're just cunts. My problem is how you jeep whining about it and letting it affect you. Grow up. Ignore them. It's Reddit for Christ's sake, no one cares. This isn't high school.

They are burying comments and posts that they disagree with and changing the dynamic of the subreddit, ignoring them does not make the problem go away.

You are so right. The "ignore them" advice is played out. That works for an occasional troll. But not for the numbers and consequences involved here.

"They" are not. Share blue might be. But no one would give them the time of day if people would IGNORE THEM. They're just pathetic lonely psychologically damaged intellectually stunted handicapped unemployed children. Pkwy them do whatever it is they do when they're not being abused by drunk uncles. Who cares. Every MENTION of them is an advertisement, a validation of their otherwise completely unremarkable lives.

Except some of them are actual shills doing damage control and pr on reddit. Just leave them alone is the same as ignoring the fact that there are shills here

Don't forget Cambridge Analytica and the rest of the Koch/Mercer trolls. They're all in the same basket as SB.

Maybe post something that's not so stupid? That might fix your problem...

Great argument you sure convinced him with those hot opinions

I'm just here to help.

So are the mods.

Rule 10

Vote manipulation entirely defeats the purpose of this website.

I care.

The only person whining here is you

Spoken like someone that lacks the capability to understand my statement. From someone that doesn't contribute to this community at all.

Ooooh, character defamation! Nice choice.

I didn't misunderstand anything, I provided my opinion.

Actually, if this sub isn't vigilantly moderated very soon it will continue to slide into the shill-infested partisan battleground that it's becoming.

I honestly think there should be a catch-all rule against pushing a "conspiracy" that's being pushed all day every day by American corporate media. Moderators should reassert this sub as staunchly anti-mainstream. Muh Russia is destroying this sub

Why is the popularity of a conspiracy a gatekeeping tool here. Watergate was widely reported on. Fast and Furious made the news and nobody complained. FOX talked about Benghazi for 5 years straight and nobody said it didn’t belong here. Do we need more Megathreads so it doesn’t clog the front page, sure. But even if you don’t believe in the Russia stuff others who do believe in it should be allowed to discuss it here.

That's a terrible precedent to set. Shall we include the conspiracies spouted by Fox, Clear Channel, et al? No more muh Hillary, no more muh Podesta, no more muh Seth?

Your implying the moderators here are anyone but ad mins or TuMOR themselves?

Yeah, let's ignore the biggest conspiracy since 9-11.

Just because you don't like this conspiracy doesn't change the fact that it's a real fucking conspiracy. Grow up and stop wishing for a safe space. If you don't like the Russian conspiracy theories post about the ones your interested in.

It's really not that hard.

Is conspiracy a subreddit for making fun of people's beliefs and ideas?

Stop trying to reason with the Trump supporter, folks.

A fair, point, and one I've echoed in the past, being you shouldn't care about their antics or take anything said there personally or literally. Occasionally, though not often, I can actually agree with them on some points, when pointing out legitimate racism (excl. false accusations or hyperbole) and how they tend to perceive certain fringe theories (i.e. flat earth or reptillians) but do not agree by any means with their approach in addressing such content, by resorting to ridicule or harassment. It is, for the most part, pointless, dickish and unnecessary. On the other hand, it can be amusing at times, and another reason I just can't take any of it seriously, let alone personally or literally. Surprisingly, I've actually been able to get along with a handful of their regular users relatively well in spite of it, when not discussing certain conspiracies or dwelling on topics of disagreement of course.

That said, any form of brigading and vote manipulation, any violation of reddit's sitewide rules which we ourselves are expected to abide by, is where I personally draw the line, as it can have a suppressing effect on the content and commentary posted here and in the other subreddits they have chosen to target.

Complaining about someone's online behavior will only lead to an increase in that behavior. When you complain about TMOR linking to and laughing at you, guess what's going to happen? They're going to link to you more and laugh at you more. This is why people say "don't feed the trolls," but you're giving them a feast.

Will just make it that much easier to ban their sub with proof

That pretty much opens the door to ban all meta subs. IMO meta subs, even tho some of them can be entertaining at times, are overall bad for reddit. Yeah they're funny, and there is some legitimately ridiculous stuff on reddit worth linking to, but let's be honest, meta subs are just "point and laugh" subs. Personally, I think ignoring them is a better approach than the butthurt whining OP is doing, but I understand the frustration.

No, tmor is clearly a brigading/witch hunt sub

Tmor is not a "Meta" sub. Why do their moderators run subs like /r/digital_manipulation if they are just about the jokes?

How would you return polite discourse to this sub?

I'm extremely open to hear ideas.

We must integrate C_S_T's golden rule on decorum and eliminate many of the existing rules. Their main weapon is disruption, deflection, and for lack of a better word assholishness. If being an asshole is against the rules, as it should be under the existing interpretation of "an attack on the sub", tmor would not be nearly as effective as they currently are.

We cannot deny that /r/media_manipulation (now set to private) exists. They can hide behind the lie that they are here to laugh at us (which is actually a sign of an individuals subconscious reconciling psychological trauma caused by cognitive dissonance) if their true purpose is made known.

1) Eliminate r/conspiracy_conclave and the mods (u/sabremesh) who are compiling lists of so-called “persona non grata.” This sub dies without free and open discussion.

2) Eliminate behavior from the mod team that invites ridicule and displays a clear partisan bias such as stickying pro-Putin/Trump threads for weeks while putting threads discussing the Mueller investigation or Putin in contest mode or removing them completely.

The party in power in Washington is implicated in several conspiracies under active investigation and the mods of this sub are blatantly abusing their power to deflect from these discussions.

The fact that you believe it to be so one sided is indicative to how well the brigades are working to shift perception.

Cheers, and I'm somehow surprised you cannot see other factions of users brigading this sub as well.

And here we sit in contest mode yet again.

Generally, brigading subreddits have been banned if they stop the brigading. So complaining about it should spur the admins into action. That is unless you believe they are okay with brigading.

Or BEHIND it. TuMOR only attacks subs that costs reddit advertiser money

TuMOR. I like that.

no, tmor is clearly a brigading/witch hunt sub

At some point the blatancy of this destructive behavior will compel the admins to actually do something about it.

Why would it compel the admins to do something about it? What if it is what they want?

Isn't there a way to block all TMOR subscribers, or posters, or something like that?

Blocking TMOR subscribers is a start --but they can (and do) just use alts. Using TMOR participation as part of ban criteria is definitely helpful, but they can still have quite an impact. (Case in point - harassment of polkadotgirl of r/conspiracyundone.)

That is why behavior needs to be moderated not ideas.

They use alts here.

brigading is annoying but I'm not sure it's a big deal.

Is that right? You're sure it's not a big deal?

It is a big deal. It is what is causing Facebook so much bad press these days.

was it tmor that abused polkadotgirl too, forcing her to leave?

yes

haha, i am already getting downvotes, just by mentioning polkadotgirl and tmor in the same sentence!

I thought she just made a new account.

Nope. She is either gone on lurking now.

She's a mod again in Conspiracyundone

No she's not.

She's there under an alt. The new mod post and the comment made by that turtle user essentially confirms this.

She has an alt that she posted on, but it isn't active in conspiracy anymore.

So I do not think people get this.

1) I was bullied into deleting that account. They threatened my safety.

2) I lost my sub and everything. It really sucked.

3) Nothing happens to them. They ban other subreddit communities for less.

4) I will not confirm or deny I havw an alts. Everybody on tmor has 50,000 alts.

5) Something needs to be done about tmor, and I am sickened anyone would defend them.

They did harass me until I deleted that account. That is what they wanted.

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XD

Oh my god dude, please stop stickying your own pity-posts. It reeks of self-importance.

Use an alt for posting/commenting if you think you're getting cyberbullied. You can still use this account for actually doing mod stuff.

TMOR thrives on drama exactly like this post of yours. I'm not sure how you haven't realized that yet.

I think he has and he secretly loves it.

Yawn.

There's no question this sub's politics changes every now and then.

In the run up to the election, a large portion of the sub supported Donald Trump. That changed practically overnight in January 2017.

One way to see that is to look at average comment scores over time. Awhile ago, I did a comparison of the overlap between r/conspiracy and the_donald. I've seen lots of people say this is "TD 2.0" so I thought it would be interesting to compare.

Here's a chart showing the average submissions scores over time: https://i.imgur.com/gmEpN1q.png

The Index is the TD average minus the non-TD average.

There's not much that stands out. After the Republican primary, the average submission score of a "TD user" increased more than a "non-TD user"

Here's the same thing but for comment scores: https://i.imgur.com/K16aXLL.png

Average comment scores for Non-TD posters went up significantly after January 2017. Comments flipped from having a slight TD bias to having a slight Non-TD bias.

I did the same thing for TMOR vs conspiracy. Here's the comment averages: https://i.imgur.com/rC3OJ3K.png

There's a handful of theories I think could explain why there has been a shift in the userbase, such as:

1. "TD users" have left. Banned or just not interested anymore, I don't know why but the percent of TD users is now back to pre-2016 levels

2. There's an influx of new users who want to discuss conspiracies surrounding Russia and President Trump. That includes temporary surges like when a link is cross posted from r/politics.

3. Increase in links from meta subreddits like TMOR and their growing userbase. https://i.imgur.com/xB0EoGk.png

If you're interested in how I defined "TD users" and the (spaghetti) code I used, I have a post with more details here

If you see any mistakes or have constructive criticism, please let me know.

Just wanted to give you kudos for sharing this.

Right! That was extremely well done.

I think it's a combination of these three theories. The sub continues to grow and attract "average" users from other parts of reddit (average being younger age, left leaning politics) Some are blatantly astroturfing and some are genuinely interested in the "conspiracies" surrounding trump since the election. T_d users and trump supporters may find they have an easier time making their points here than they would other popular subs for obvious reasons hence the right leaning presence here. Some of that may be shilling and honestly if that's the case then they're doing a terrible job.

Most of the users who were here before the election are not on either side and get drowned in the chaos. The heavy astroturfing from TMOR is very obvious when the obsessive debunking and mockery takes over threads. It used to be easier to find a middle ground in conversation, and above all that is not allowed anymore.

Fine analysis. I agree its obvious, like stated earlier they'll be hitting you and while their hitting you they'll deny it. Ignoring it doesnt work because its been like a year, and its just getting worse as the core group of users gets fed up and leaves, you know - the ones that made this sub popular with intersting posts and viewpoints about things other than politics? Sorry, not preaching to you fenmanisc...hopefully new folks can see that normal methods of ignoring, or turning a cheek do not work. Those replying that are sick of these posts can ignore these threads...I mean how hard is it not to click in, if you feel that way?

Their goal is the chaos, and they are immune to anything but agreeing with their standard current assigned groupthink. Obsessive is not tio strong a word anout the astroturfing being talked about.

This comment needs to be it's own post...

Sir, yes sir!

Uhhh rah!

How come you never answered me when I asked about your data a couple months ago?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7m9349/disgraced_fbi_admits_they_cant_confirm_trump/drsszqf/

Sorry, the links still work for me. This is what I see when logged in: https://i.imgur.com/Rj2vTSf.png

You need a Google account with billing enabled. You might have to sign up with https://cloud.google.com/ and create a project first. I don't remember, it's been a long time since I signed up.

I found this "getting started" thread in r/bigquery I hope is still relevant:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bigquery/comments/3dg9le/analyzing_50_billion_wikipedia_pageviews_in_5/

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I will definitlely check this out

There's a handful of theories I think could explain why there has been a shift in the userbase, such as:

"TD users" have left. Banned or just not interested anymore, I don't know why but the percent of TD users is now back to pre-2016 levels

There's an influx of new users who want to discuss conspiracies surrounding Russia and President Trump. That includes temporary surges like when a link is cross posted from r/politics.

I think this is pretty evident and is the reality of the situation.

I think t_d users are beginning to wake up to the reality that their hopes for what trump would be was all a lie. I think you are beginning to see his "base" become apathetic and disillusioned to what trump has become. With that, you are seeing less engagement of those that are left, because their overall numbers are dwindling.

Couple that with your second point. The trump/Russia conspiracy is HUGE. I started posting her a few weeks ago because I was curious as to what this community thought about the topic. On top of that, the mods are not insane, so you have a good opportunity to debate with many different types of people.

It's pretty refreshing.

This trump/Russia thing has alot of different layers so it's a good topic to discuss on almost a daily basis. Now you have the new wrinke with Cambridge Analytica, which is just a shell organization for a foreign defense contractor with ties to Russia. I mean, you can't make this shit up!

I mean, you can't make this shit up!

Apparently you can, lmao

If anything td users fear super mods randomly banning them for being in other subs

Some subs have bots setup that preemptively ban anyone from their sub as soon as they post in TD. It's really quite retarded.

First graph: No doubt TD users have been pushing their God Emperor in here for a long time and they still are, as submission votes make clear. It is also interesting how erratic submission scores are for TD users versus everyone else. It's almost like they are being triggered to come here at certain times while the regular users are steadier. Also, the increase really took off in the spring of 2016 and has never dropped significantly.

Second graph: this one is comment scores, not submissions, so right out of the gate, this one better reflects this sub than the above graph. At all times, consistently, despite the wild swings in submission votes, those who would engage enough to offer comments have been majority not TD users. However, both groups have increased. As TD users increased, those who would oppose them increased afterward. Clearly, this shows who started it.

I don't frequent this sub anymore because, like your plot shows, it's obvious this sub became a target for left wing astroturfing.

Now all the honest and legitamate discussion is squashed. This sub is where the people even too crazy for /r/politics come to post.

Shit, man, those graphs are amazing (if accurate, but I tentatively trust you from past interactions). I've seen a lot of good visualizations and analyses of publicly available reddit data coming up lately. This is the kind of stuff that advertising and PR firms have probably been studying for a decade, but it's nice to see reddit users doing this work and sharing it with the community. It's kind of like bio-feedback for the "hive mind."

And I'd agree with RMFN, this should be its own post.

Thanks. I sure hope there's no mistakes but I have my code posted so people can correct it if they see any issues.

I think there's a lot of interesting things you can find even with just public data.

For example, I plotted the number of accounts commenting for the last time (ever) per day in /politics in 2016 and split it by account status: https://i.imgur.com/z8DA71z.png

For some reason, in 2016, there was a surge of moderately-active users deleting their accounts at the end of each month. October had a big spike in the middle too.

That's pretty interesting. The number of last-ever commenters there at after the election is somewhat interesting. Did your data separate out "last-ever commenter on r/politics, but active elsewhere" from "last-ever comment on r/politics, account still active, but no activity"? Or are these both grouped in "active."

Also, regarding the end of the month deleted accounts, I have two hypotheses, and both involve your dataset itself. Your using pushshift data, no? Pushshift ingests every public comment within a few seconds of creation, and then at the end of every month, it goes back and updates this data. It's too late for me to reason exactly why that would show the spikes, but I think it might be an artifact of that process.

The other hypothesis along those lines is that there are people using accounts that are aware of pushshift's practice, and are deleting accounts at the end of the period so that those comments are not maintained after the monthly update. In this theory, the people running the accounts may have had them longer (either genuine or purchased), yet are only actively using them for whatever purpose for a month at most.

This was just looking at /politics data not all user data but that could probably be done on BigQuery. "active" just means the account is not deleted, suspended, shadow banned.

I did fetch user data for the deleted accounts and that was indeed their last day commenting anywhere before deleting their accounts. Although, not all final comments were on /politics.

That's an interesting theory that the anomaly could be from the data collection process. I'm half-asleep though so I'll have to think about that tomorrow.

It's too late for me to reason exactly why that would show the spikes, but I think it might be an artifact of that process.

I've been thinking about this and I think you're right.

If a user deleted their account in February, the end-of-month pushshift update would change the author for their comments to "[deleted]" as if they never made a comment in February.

However, all their January posts would still be intact, and if they posted near the end of January, it would look like that's when they deleted their account.

That was a really good catch you made, thanks for that.

Yeah that makes sense. That was my intuition, but it was too late for me to work out the details, too :)

It seems like you're playing down the submission data and playing up the comment data.

You say that "There's not much that stands out" about the first graph, but it clearly shows that submissions from the_donald users score almost twice as high on average that submissions from non the_donald users, which is huge and is evidence towards a significant bias towards Trump here. It also seems to directly contradict your conclusion that this subreddit stopped supporting Trump "practically overnight in January 2017" because the positive difference between the_donald and non the_donalds has stayed fairly consistent over the last year.

The comments on the other hand, show little significant difference. As the index shows, the difference between the average score of the_donald users and non the_donald users is within a single point. I personally think it's a stretch to see a change of +1 to -1 in the average and conclude that a big flip in Trump support has occurred, especially when you take into account the severe bias towards pro Trump posts has stayed the same as evidenced above.

I think this data does show that the_donald is slowly losing it's grip on this subreddit compared to it's peak around the election, but that /r/conspiracy is still on the Trump train for now.

Have you considered that after the election, the prodonald "users" jobs were done?

Why are you always complaining? I am not much of a poster, to be honest, but the moments I see your username you are complaining about something.

From the last post

You're going to get upvotes, it will be said they came from tmor and not actual conspiracy users in order to disregard everything you said, the post will be placed in contest mode, and then there's a 50% chance it gets deleted although it probably wont because he really thinks hes making a great point this time.

Only way to avoid brigaded comments

We get it, we're all painfully aware that T_D and TMOR brigade the shit out of this sub. It's what Reddit is and honestly it's nothing new. If you want to stop it start a private sub and like r/ConspiracyUndone invite people you trust, then ban them all for looking at and sometimes trolling other Subs. That's what I did. Reddit is a complete bullshit site, but it's a fun time sink. Just don't take it seriously.

That said, this isn't a conspiracy, it's childish bullshit. They're not plotting against you in secret, they don't agree with us and we don't agree with them. It's business as usual for the internet. Troll them back if you want, it's fun for some laughs and then go about your life.

Ohh that sounds like fun! Please invite and then subsequently ban me!!!

I was poking fun at r/conspiracyundone.

Oh... you tease

This is a highly visited place on the internet and should be treated seriously as highly influencial.

Do you believe Facebook is a good source for news?!?! If not you shouldn't pick your news up from the other social media sites you like called Reddit... The cycle of internet bullshit nearly starts at Reddit. This get posted online, aggragated on Reddit, shared on Facebook and other social media sources and then goes to die in your parents email chains. No where in there should Reddit be considered real news especially now.

Don't you get it?

This place, as a blank slate, has the potential for being at minimum a place of conversation.

It used to, but they sold us out.

Yeah you're right. I guess i'm just saying we should give them just as much hell as they give us while the ship goes down because fuck them.

I agree, I just feel like if the Mods are bought already and they appear to be, we're not going to be able to on subs such as this one. I could be completely wrong, but I keep seeing really great conspiracies magically removed from this sub so... .

Would alright if we could fight properly as they do. Need support influx. Occupy conspiracy. Hit this nerve center first etc.

Surely posting a few dozen more "They are mean" threads will settle all of this.

Targeted harassment goes against reddit's terms of service. The point is that they're breaking site rules.

I get the point, but my point was that complaining about it does nothing except cause the harassment to increase.

It seems to me that there is an artificial feud being set up for some reason.

That's definitely a potential outcome. The ideal situation would be that the admins ban the sub for breaking site rules and so then the harassment would likely stop, but since that hasn't happened it appears as though the harassment has increased, or at least continued. And it's also possible that an artificial feud could be being set up, but I'm less inclined to believe that than I am to believe it's genuine mainly because I've also been on the receiving end of tmor harassment more than once. I haven't in a while, but mainly because I've learned to generally stay away from the topics they harass over (you know, if you don't actively seek out something you're less likely to get the side-effects and all that), but it is a thing that happens nonetheless, both to those actively getting involved by trying to stop it, and to those who aren't.

I've been harassed, and you know what happens? I go, "wow", then move on. Then it ends.

This issue has been beaten and beaten into the ground, like a dead horse. It's ridiculous, the mods know it is ridiculous, but for some reason want to foment it.

How many posts has tmor made linking directly to something that you have said?

1,224,886

I thought it was six million?

The feud is in no way artificial. Conspiracy is not a place to make fun of people or their ideas it is a place for radically open minded anti authoritarian thought.

No shit, sherlock. In what way is complaining about it, stickying a thread,. once again, going to help?

I could not come up with a circumstance where it's a bad thing to bring awareness of attacks against this sub.

Except that it instigates more drama, creating a perfect circle of drama, right?

What do you think should be done?

Just complain more. That will help. You could always spam post about forum spies, on the hour.

... "Stop complaining."

"Just complain mkre."

I'd like your honest opinion.

This is a problem that is part of the human condition. You CANNOT stop people from being assholes, whether it comes from another sub or not. What absolutely will not work, is doing this. In fact, it has the opposite of the desired effect. But for some reason, the mods like this abuse to continue, and want us all to participate.

Explain how the discussion in c_s_t is asshole free if what you say is true.

I'm done explaining anything to you.

I'm done explaining anything to you.

Nice argument. Nice attitude.

Don't care. Hey, it's time for you to spam the sub and stop wasting your precious time on me.

He is the type of dude that probably thinks women will get raped more if they report rape.

Lol! Sad that you're probably right...

This is a problem that is part of the human condition. You CANNOT stop people from being assholes, whether it comes from another sub or not. What absolutely will not work, is doing this. In fact, it has the opposite of the desired effect. But for some reason, the mods like this abuse to continue, and want us all to participate.

It is not part of the human condition. People can be moderated into an environment of propper decorum. Look at a sub like /r/c_s_t and tell me the you cannot stop people from being assholes.

CST is tightly controlled.

CST is tightly controlled.

Is it? I beg to differ. Our MOD logs are public. You can see how few actions and hoe few band we make.

Thanks for making it clear what is about to take place in this sub. I knew they would censor this place sooner or later. CST is a popularity club, filled with assholes.

Thanks for making it clear what is about to take place in this sub. I knew they would censor this place sooner or later. CST is a popularity club, filled with assholes.

Ah. I see, we are not talking about the same CST. Cst moderates behavior. No idea is censored. Why are you against the moderators doing their job.

Maybe moderators not doing their job here?

No idea is censored.

Are ideas censored here?

I've noticed that you've got lots of questions for me, but have yet to answer or expand on anything I've said. How about fucking off now?

Maybe moderators not doing their job here?

No idea is censored.

Are ideas censored here?

I've noticed that you've got lots of questions for me, but have yet to answer or expand on anything I've said. How about fucking off now?

K.

Yeah, I was pretty sure it was you.

Who?

This. If the content doesn't irk you or make you feel otherwise uncomfortable at times, then the content is either benign, or you are desensitized to it. Neither of those options are ideal.

True discourse on a sub like this should be appalling at times, because the content is indeed difficult to swallow.

Yes. That uncomfortable feeling is necessary to break down the many layered conditioning of cognitive dissonance that we feel when we initially enter this milieu.

It's also just a nice reminder that we're human. That unpleasant feeling is derived out of a sense of compassion, otherwise the initial outrage would never occur.

Have you ever heard the legend of the daughters of hope?

The daughters of hope are courage and anger. Anger at the way things are. And the courage to change the way things are.

Hadn't heard of it but that does capture the sentiment rather eloquently

You know what I realized as I became —older— wiser? People aren’t as asleep as I thought. I just was too busy trying to get my point across to really listen and hear.

I also learned that often we think we are fighting the good fight when really we are doing the equivalent of flailing about wildly in an effort not to drown.

is a place for radically open minded anti authoritarian thought.

Be sure to let everyone know when it returns to that. Because most of what goes on here is either non-conspiracy politics or another round of whining about TMOR.

Youre fake news carlos. I see you

Your tantrums about TMOR are worse than the effect it's users have in here. You literally throw a tantrum like a child and then wonder why a subreddit made to point out ridiculous comments in here keeps picking up your posts

Yea, getting pretty silly now, hey. If it's any consolation I think they've basically broken their method, run it into the ground. Vote manipulation is the only real tool they have, and they've used it so often and so obviously that they've worn it out.

Vote counts don't mean anything any more. What's left are the actual arguments being used. And due to the practical preconditions of joining their little goon troupe - gullibility, lack of imagination, intellectual dishonesty and so on - they don't really have any of those.

Mhm, it's too obvious now.

Only downside is they've pushed away a lot of organic readers (me included) because of the hostile environment they breed. I get tired of sorting through shit content for the sliver of truth and light remaining here

the sub is actually growing despite their bullshit. Maybe that's why they are trying so hard

Probably true!

I donno if bot subscribers count, it certainly hasn't grown in a positive way.

Why would bots subscribe?

To make them appear to be organic users?

Would bots worry about how they are looking?

No, but the ones controlling the bots certainly do

It's growing?

Isn't that proof that vote manipulation still works?

Well, sure. Although weirdly enough a lot of those users who they've pushed away seem to stick around to make sure everybody knows they've been pushed away. Not sure how that works tbh.

Makes no odds in the end. If it gets bad enough and enough people leave, then there'll just be another sub - and then they'll have to go there, for all the same reasons they have to come here. That's not victory, just deferred failure.

This sounds sooo familiar to me.

I have heard this almost literally so often in other, particularly conspiracy forums.

What?

Vote manipulation is the only real tool they have, and they've used it so often and so obviously that they've worn it out.

I don't believe this for a second.

You can't wear that out. As long as it works, it is not worn out, and there is no doubt it still works and probably will go on working as long as Reddit or any other forum exists.

Think of it like this - when a scalpel blade is discarded as 'worn out', it's not because it's no longer sharp enough to cut. It's because it's no longer sharp enough to cut cleanly; the inadvertent damage it will cause if used becomes as much a concern as the problem its use is intended to correct.

The surgical cut maps to the intended effects of our problem here, shilling or trolling or whatever you want to call it. The inadvertent damage maps to the unintended effect - confirming people's belief in social engineering, and allowing them to see precisely which causes and talkpoints and mouthpieces are a part of it.

Why is this one of the two sticky posts at the top of this sub? Cambridge Analytica Mega Thread. Vegas Footage Megathread. Anything would be better than this again, and as others have pointed out it just makes the problem worse. Trolls are going to troll, making them the main object of focus on this sub on only perpetuates the vicious cycle and gives them the attention they want.

Probably because stickying it prevents it from disappearing once brigaded.

Fair enough. I’d still much rather see a conspiracy not about known trolls on reddit.

Also seems a little like OP is intentionally giving them all the attention they’re looking for.

I think he is trying to place the admin into a position where it has to stop. It's either that or they show their hypocrisy.

Also seems a little like OP is intentionally giving them all the attention they’re looking for.

He is. TMOR is beneficial to him because it lets him delete any submission he wants so long as top minds have linked to it.

Rule 10

Yeah I read that 9 days ago. Since then at least two major stories have broken (the two I listed). I believe you think this is a serious concern. I also think you are intentionally feeding the trolls to create a bigger conflict so the admins will have to step in. The result though is you spamming this sub almost daily calling out TMOR, and in many ways you are fueling this vicious cycle almost as much as they are with your obsession and victim complex. People down vote you because they are tired of seeing these threads every day, but you always claim it’s TMOR. Not saying TMOR doesn’t brigade sometimes, but some people are just tired of the whining.

Nice response I was gonna say a similar thing but you said it better than I could.

The point is discussion is completely manageable. I see it on here all the time. Yes your posts get some visitors from other sites, yes you get a couple extra down votes every now and then (especially in your Meta TMOR battle threads). But please understand not everyone down votes these posts or your comments because they are from TMOR, some are just tired of this back and forth.

Also apparently to be the change I want to see in this sub I need to be a member of the conclave. If you make me a member I will gladly contribute to conversations about how we can make this sub better.

They're destroying this sub. Organic posts of quality content cannot coexist with their harassment. This sticky is most important for this sub as a valid discussion forum.

I see organic posts with good content here all the time. Maybe not AP’s posts, because he’s usually whining about brigading, but there is plenty of great content here.

high quality original content

LOL if you are a die hard Trump support I suppose that's true

Agreed. Just lately you’ve been obsessed with your own personal flame war and so we are seeing more and more of these posts rather than your usually pretty solid content. I have no problem with you and TMOR going round and round, but you spamming this sub with that content and using sticky powers to elevate your cause over general conspiracy discussion is getting real old. Especially because you always complain about down votes and being victimized, not saying you are wrong, but it’s getting in the way of your better content.

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Actual Astroturfing yes. Poking a hive of trolls repeatedly is different. And again my main issue is this topic being stickyied to the top of this sub again, rather than a discussion about current conspiracies that down involve AP merely getting down voted.

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I think it happens to all of us. I think there’s a difference between astroturfing and picking a fight with trolls that down vote you (and don’t try to hide it at all).

Astroturfing is a fair conspiracy. Your personal feud with a sub of trolls is much less interesting and doesn’t deserve to be stickyied.

“We caught a data firm turned propaganda machine on film admitting they influence elections on behalf of special interests around the globe through shady, manipulative, and illegal means.”

Doesn’t look like anything to me.

It is incredibly obvious that they brigade certain posts.

I've been watching this sub and TMOR for a few years now. I think it's obvious what they do and best option really is to ignore it because pointing it out just makes it worse and while ignoring it won't make it stop I don't think anything will..

Admins could make it so TMOR cant make posts inciting brigading or else risk a ban like they did for the_donald.

They brigade from off-site as well, so while admin action against TMOR might have some effect, it can easily be circumvented.

For those who claim that they'll "stop" this behavior if we stop pointing it out...I'm afraid to say that this approach is naive at best.

The more we call out their bullshit, the more they are emboldened and the more they increase these unconscionable activities.

These two paragraphs are contradictory. How can you not see that?

What's the contradiction?

Calling out manipulation helps people see it and makes it less effective.

Whatever you want to call it, calling it out is only making it worse.

Correlation =! Causation

The more we call out their bullshit, the more they are emboldened and the more they increase these unconscionable activities

This is APs own words. Explain that to him.

The more we call out their bullshit, the more they are emboldened and the more they increase these unconscionable activities

This is APs own words. Explain that to him.

I love how you zero in on a very specific part is AP's post.

Oh I doubt that, we all had a good laugh at the last Soros funded alt-left libcuck antifa meetup.

I dont think thats what you want. I dont see that working out the way you want it to. Even though i pretty much disagree with you always, i want to help you. This sub is alot closer to having admin intervention than TMOR.

The second paragraph admit s the more its called out the more they are emboldened.

Why is anyone who questions the existence of media manipulation harassed by them?

Twoxchrosomes bans people from ideologically opposed subs to keep the discussion on what the sub is intended to discuss.

Tmor ban people like me to keep us from defending ourselves in their sub. Why do we have to cater to their particular form of autism that gets off on making fun of the views of other people? Conspiracy isn't a sub to make fun of conspiracies. (period). It is a sub for radically open minded anti authoritarian thought.

Conspiracy isn't a sub to make fun of conspiracies. (period). It is a sub for radically open minded anti authoritarian thought.

Hear! Hear! You have my applause. I wish this could be the reality

We are making the changes necessary to protect what we have worked for.

Glad to hear!!

So are you now trying to make conspiracy a sub who's only goal is to be contrarian regardless on evidence.

That's not open mindedness, that forcing a narrative on your own users. It just ends up being the narrative that goes against the general consensus (or hell just the consensus the mods disagree with).

I originally came to this sub to read and occasionally take part in open minded discussion about conspiracy topics. Blind belief in every conspiracy is not how to actually push the conspiracies that truly matter to the forefront. Are none of you actually trying to effect positive change?

The way I see it conspiracies exist as a method of highlighting important issues others might want hidden, using evidence that is hard to come by or hard to connect unless you are paying attentions. However as a result of this conspiracies are very liable to be wrong or pushed by those with an agenda or unfounded hated/bias against a particular group. Encouraging a sub that is unable to critically asses the conspiracies that come through their door simply encourages others to control your narrative. All in the name of wanking off our own ego and sense of intelligence for one upping the "mainstream."

You misunderstand my sentiment.

Then please elaborate? I think I have a good grasp of what of what RMFN is gunning for and I disagree with it.

What is your sentiment?

Why don't you address me directly?

Lol this one really does post in /r/rickandmorty...

Not going to comment on any of my ideas and instead mock the one time in the history of my entire account that I have posted on Rick and Morty. Cool.

i thought you were anti-harassment?

i thought you were anti-harassment?

How is what I said harassment? Children who watch cartoons shouldn't think they have a say in adult matters.

you’re harassing him for watching a certain tv show and posting in a certain sub.

you’re harassing him for watching a certain tv show and posting in a certain sub.

Acknowledging something exists is harassment? Next you'll tell me pattern recognition is anti Semitic.

hey man you’re the one that said people talking about your ideologies is a form of harassment so you talking about the shows he watches is definitely harassment by that logic

Here for the sweet TMoR downvotes

You could always set up r/conspiracysafespace and make it private so these unapproved people don't comment or vote on your posts.

They already have that. It's called the conclave. And they should just use that place for themselves and all the people that agree with the conspiracies they do and not the conspiracies they don't.

We must integrate C_S_T's golden rule on decorum and eliminate many of the existing rules. Their main weapon is disruption, deflection, and for lack of a better word assholishness. If being an asshole is against the rules, as it should be under the existing interpretation of "an attack on the sub", tmor would not be nearly as effective as they currently are.

We cannot deny that /r/media_manipulation exists. They can hide behind the lie that they are here to laugh at us (which is actually a sign of an individuals subconscious reconciling psychological trauma caused by cognitive dissonance) if their true purpose is made known.

TopMinds is the shit hole of the internet

LOL, I don't know... r/t_d seems pretty foul...

TMOR exists only to harass and ridicule others; TMOR is clearly worse.

PC racists.

I’m convinced the admins are in on it.

I’ve seen them make disparaging remarks about this sub

Everyone knows Reddit is run by shills. .

I feel like some people are working overtime to make it seem as if this is a pro-Trump sub. And I'm betting that there is a ban in the works for such subs. And personally am I betting that this has less to do with Trump and more to do with Bernie. This sub played a big role in calling out shenanigans during the primary. Since there are rumors that Bernie right run again, it behooves TPTB to censor a place for people fed up with the status quo. Especially a place which thoroughly documented how screwed up the last primary race was.

It is obvious that the recent brigading campaign by the hasbara of TMOR is occurring with the explicit approval of reddit administration.

Yessss...yes. Obviously the other side is cheating with help from a shadowy enclave of powerful higher ups. Sounds all too familiar...

Why do you keep feeding the trolls?

Some people love attention, some people love being a martyr, and some love being both.

The victim complex is real.

And the savior complex.

Forum sliding is real.

It's impossible for it not to happen, since their post link directly to hear, and they have no warning system to discourage it. /r/ShitPoliticsSays is a similar type of sub but (atleast w/ RES) it gives a non-participation mode warning. I believe /r/ShitPoliticsSays would've been banned long ago if it behaved that way. This bias will bite them in the ass.

humans have to feel important and liked...everyone finds their own avenue for that...that’s just theirs...don’t get why it bothers people so much..they are just anonymous screen names....just cause someone is a member of r/biggestcockontheweb, doesn’t mean it’s true.

Stickying own post and removing top voted comments that crticize. Is this the best way to promote free-thinking ?

Is it a surprise from this mod? Any post he makes that someone posts a well thought out reply that contradicts his view point and then gets upvoted he’ll throw into “lottery” mode so it’s not at the top.

Is it a surprise from this mod?

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/winstonno.jpg

Yeah, they do it constantly to all the subs they follow. You crush the ones that post, they just come back, and you never can get the ones that just vote.

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What if the admins want it to happen?

They can easily see its bring brigaded, so that is almost certain.

Yeah, they allow this everywhere, as long as it supports their view. I bet most of the votes in /r/worldnews are made by bots, and by voting brigades.

This. Admin endorsed vote brigades. Vote manipulating for me but not for thee. Counter one of the brigades with your own brigade and you'll see how fast they slap a 7 day site wide ban on your account. Reddits a controlled manipulated circle jerk.

Any subreddit that has reddit or subreddit or sub in the name is a part of the fempire, a group of the worst that reddit has to offer when it comes to people who stick their noses in other people's business, and believe their ideology reigns supreme.

Shitredditsays, againsthatesubreddits, subredditdrama, and topmindsofreddit, are just a few of the more well known ones.

They also have off reddit coordination using discord, slack, and even wiki's.

They're the ideological terrorists of reddit.

And yes, they probably have admin support or participation.

Oh well, their lives are almost all meaningless anyways.

They also have off reddit coordination using discord, slack, and even wiki's.

They're the ideological terrorists of reddit.

And yes, they probably have admin support or participation.

Just about 20 minutes ago I wanted to submit a new link to r/worldnews, I tried 3 times but every time I clicked on the submit link I got in return a message saying "reddit: tihs page does not exist". Three times!

I then sent a message to the worldnews mods explaining this. Waited a few minutes more, then tried again, and it worked. However, immediately my thread appeared it was downvoted to 0!

Maybe it's a coincidence and I should forget about it.

These are not the droids you're looking for.

Why not?

Lmfao

Lmfao

Launching WW3 is nasty business.

Yeah, best believe with Bolton in there we're a couple steps closer. Warmongering is going to start ramping up. Those "peace" talks in May are just going to be the start. The Christian Evangelicals are going to get their Armageddon and all it took was going against all the morality they stood for. These days are going to be talked about for a long time.

Props for not banning them at least!

Nothing to going to happen to /r/TopMindsOfReddit or the multitude of globalist pushing subs because most of them have power mods and the approval of the admins.

I have my suspicions that TMOR pays reddit for the sub. Brigading rules thusly do not apply to them.

Go outside.

Oh SRS. You little goons can't ruin every corner of the web.

This is so funny.. It's like a microcosmic version of the illuminati conspiracy where a group of shuttered, self appointed "elite" attempt to manipulate a wider community, all the while denying any allegations of their doing so. This is the struggle r/conspiracy has prepared its whole life for, and it's actually maybe even something immediately affectable! GODSPEED CONSPIRACERS

Paranoid delusions?

Paranoid delusions?

/u/strathmeyer

Do you feel that saying that is nice or helpful?

Maybe invert the vote system so you can show negative votes and then sort the front page by most downvotes. That way they have to upvote you to bury you.

Reverse votecology, wave of the future.

I don't think that post was on the front page before it was linked.

Most likely means front page of the sub, not the website.

Or maybe he means his personal front page.

But it was only posted 45 minutes before it was linked by TMoR.

Yeah, we gotta keep documenting their brigades. Even if we can't convince the admins of doing something we can show and prove the corruption going on in reddit itself to other users!

They can see it happening, and readily trace it to its roots. They, apparently, do not care, approve, or are actively participating. There can be no other reason why they allow this harassment.

Interesting this thread is heavily down voted as well.

Because it is sad and gay

good one

ahhh, this must explain the recent uptick in /r/subredditcancer by TMoR regulars complaining about y'all.

Not just TMOR

It's also from /r/politics and their 50+ spam subs

The difference is that sub will link here directly, and their users have been caught brigading threads here in the past, a blatant violation of reddit's terms of service and form of vote manipulation.

If the admins need to intervene on anything, it's cleaning house of the mods that gatekeep this sub. You're literally sharing lists of wrongthinkers on a private sub also used to elect your 100% anti-Dem anti-russiagate mods. I've already been banned once for complete bullshit. Thankfully reinstated, but when is the penny finally going to drop for thinking the wrong thing here? Before or after another thread gets deleted citing a non-existent brigade?

Unbelievable that you're still whining about TMOR but I guess you gotta make yourselves the victim. Always nice to have a scapegoat. Then you don't have to actually change.

Is /r/Conspiracy for conspiracy theory or for making fun of conspiracy theorists?

For conspiracy theories.

I wasn't suggesting otherwise.

Rule 10

I swear only half of this sub is actually conspiratorial content. The rest is shill accusations and whining about being oppressed. Not a good look.

The number of times I see comments about "Trump supporters" or how this subreddit is "T_D lite", despite there being zero comments of that nature is getting out of hand.

And td isn't even that bad

Oh my god we get it you are always a victim.

This place is pretty much fucked.

You believe a post with less than 1000 upvotes called a brigade of at least 2000 people here to downvote you? Have you considered that perhaps many users here (including myself) are getting tired of your incessant propaganda and downright fascist leadership?

Just sort by controversial. Groupthink and agreeing with your fellows like a fluffy little sheep isn't a good way to search for the truth.

TMOR have been brigading for over a year now. They’re bored and lonely leaches who support whatever the echo chambers tell them to. They cannot think for themselves so they look for acceptance in a sub where they reinforce their believes with each other. They’re peasants.

I agree, those people are the lowest scum of the earth

There are different layers of scum?

Oh, ya..lots of layers genius http://www.crudchuggersenzymes.com/how_a_septictank_greasetrap_works.html

Top Minds and others who attempt to hinder genuine discourse are truly the lowest scum around. If they all just offed themselves the world would be a much better place.

I think we need to leave reddit

While this isn't bad in theory, and probably what any long-term plans should include, it doesn't address the underlying problems. Any site set up the same way as reddit will have the same problems as reddit, voat maybe more so if it gain any influence. But voat is pegged as the "racist shithole little brother of reddit," and whether that's accurate or not, that's the perception.

The word "racist" almost has no meaning anymore today, it being used everywhere and on all occasion when someone disagrees with the commonly peddled narrative of unthinkingly or submissively parroted politically correct narrative.

It's pretty obvious what's going on here. I've seen it happen here over the years, along with the other subreddits they target. Whenever I suspect a brigade due to unusual activity, such as organic voting ITT until a sudden unusual spike in downvotes, I search the URL of post and sure enough will consistently find it has been posted to TMOR.

Another detailed example, from a related subreddit:

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracyundone/comments/82uscu/smoking_gun_proof_of_topmindsofreddit_users/

As I said, I've witnessed identical behavior over the years, in recent weeks in fact. For example, I recently responded to a comment in a relatively obscure post in that sub. After a few days I was going back and forth with OP and the comment score remained neutral. Days later, all of our comments were suddenly downvoted into oblivion, about a week or so after that post was made to its original sub and no longer visible on its front or even second or third page, and sure enough the exact day it was posted to TMOR.

Some of the dumbest people I've had the displeasure of owning in an argument have been TMOR members. I've said for a long time this is what they do, they're petrified of r/conspiracy and work their asses off to discredit everything they can.

Why do you they are scared?

Get a job!

r/conspiracy is a clown car subreddit, LOL! I am sorry, but those trumpturd idiots are the saddest set of incels on reddit.

Petition to ban TMOR

Aren't those grounds for banning a sub?

Not when it fits what Reddit admins want.

Exactly.

BAN THEM ALL!!!!

We have been saying this since the elections. The mods were the ones who let this whole ting happened. Regular users have been validated one more time.

Keep posting axolotl_peyotl. Leave a trail.

Wow, if I understood correctly, this testimonial highly suggests Reddit or at least certain subs are ran/modded or at very least teeming with Shadow Operatives!

TMOR IS OBSESSED.

Hey TMOR folks, how does it feel to be obsessed with people who wish you did not exist?

Does it feel like high school for you? Cuz I bet it does.

https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Freddit.com&subject=Vote%20Manipulation

im sure the admins will ban that liberal sub for brigading any moment now

I have also been harassed and brigaded by TMOR.

Luckily the reply came days late so I took a screenshot before replying. u/setterm took my screens and did some editing for clarity. Sloppy work on their part

bonus points find that post now for even more hyperinflated votes!

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/875gld/top_mod_axo_ahem_i_mean_top_mind_rmfn_challenges

This is what tmor looks like when asked to debate. Pheephee, oh cutie pie! Come have a chat with me.

Okay so please dont hate me . I am a subscriber to both conspiracy and top minds . I’m also a subscriber to cultural layer and some other fringe Reddit’s . I am considering unsubscribing from top minds because they rarely present anything I’m interested. I don’t know what opinion I should have . I like conspiracy theories and I like hearing about dumb stuff on reddit . I do not downvote anything I’m told too.

This is what the losers that run Reddit want. They don't want to build a quality medium they want alot of people to waste a lot of time and present that as proof to gullible investors beyond belief that this is a valuable web property.

If they disallowed voting this medium would be a lot better, but as long as voting cannot be disable fuckery like this will the norm in this shithole medium. I am so sick of my votes disappearing below threshold or being quietly censored for offending some neckbeard mod or because I offended some entrenched group.

/r/TopMindsOfReddit conducted a days long brigade of /r/TheNewRight as well. Their users sent death threats, posting personal information about our members, and spammed child porn in our discord. They are the literal scum of reddit and the country.

It’s fairly fucking obvious what TMoR are. A hard left-leaning echo chamber. It’s like they’ve all been trained to say ‘I-i-i got banned from r/conspiracy’ in response to being asked why they choose to sit in an echo chamber. They’re pseudo intellects who feed off the narrative inside their own tightly guarded echo chamber. Imagine how easy it is to comment daily ‘wow what a fucking idiot’ on every linked T_D or conspiracy post and get 50 upvotes. This is the only way they can satisfy their flawed superiority complexes.

It’s fairly fucking obvious what TMoR are. A hard left-leaning echo chamber.

I get that they are those who elected themselves into a position of intellectually and ethically/morally superior elite and thus have the shutting-up rights.

Whining isn't fighting back. Just march on with your head high. Be respectful, listen. You can lead a horse to water...

They are burying comments and posts that they disagree with and changing the dynamic of the subreddit, ignoring them does not make the problem go away.

Vote manipulation entirely defeats the purpose of this website.

I care.

The only person whining here is you

Actually, if this sub isn't vigilantly moderated very soon it will continue to slide into the shill-infested partisan battleground that it's becoming.

I honestly think there should be a catch-all rule against pushing a "conspiracy" that's being pushed all day every day by American corporate media. Moderators should reassert this sub as staunchly anti-mainstream. Muh Russia is destroying this sub

I think he has and he secretly loves it.

Is conspiracy a subreddit for making fun of people's beliefs and ideas?

Except some of them are actual shills doing damage control and pr on reddit. Just leave them alone is the same as ignoring the fact that there are shills here

Don't forget Cambridge Analytica and the rest of the Koch/Mercer trolls. They're all in the same basket as SB.

Or BEHIND it. TuMOR only attacks subs that costs reddit advertiser money

I think he is trying to place the admin into a position where it has to stop. It's either that or they show their hypocrisy.

They already have that. It's called the conclave. And they should just use that place for themselves and all the people that agree with the conspiracies they do and not the conspiracies they don't.

Lol! Sad that you're probably right...

The more we call out their bullshit, the more they are emboldened and the more they increase these unconscionable activities

This is APs own words. Explain that to him.

I love how you zero in on a very specific part is AP's post.

Also seems a little like OP is intentionally giving them all the attention they’re looking for.

He is. TMOR is beneficial to him because it lets him delete any submission he wants so long as top minds have linked to it.

Stop trying to reason with the Trump supporter, folks.

They can easily see its bring brigaded, so that is almost certain.

They're destroying this sub. Organic posts of quality content cannot coexist with their harassment. This sticky is most important for this sub as a valid discussion forum.

They’re not subverting open discussion. If anything they’re just participating in it.

Yeah, they allow this everywhere, as long as it supports their view. I bet most of the votes in /r/worldnews are made by bots, and by voting brigades.

Actual Astroturfing yes. Poking a hive of trolls repeatedly is different. And again my main issue is this topic being stickyied to the top of this sub again, rather than a discussion about current conspiracies that down involve AP merely getting down voted.

A fair, point, and one I've echoed in the past, being you shouldn't care about their antics or take anything said there personally or literally. Occasionally, though not often, I can actually agree with them on some points, when pointing out legitimate racism (excl. false accusations or hyperbole) and how they tend to perceive certain fringe theories (i.e. flat earth or reptillians) but do not agree by any means with their approach in addressing such content, by resorting to ridicule or harassment. It is, for the most part, pointless, dickish and unnecessary. On the other hand, it can be amusing at times, and another reason I just can't take any of it seriously, let alone personally or literally. Surprisingly, I've actually been able to get along with a handful of their regular users relatively well in spite of it, when not discussing certain conspiracies or dwelling on topics of disagreement of course.

That said, any form of brigading and vote manipulation, any violation of reddit's sitewide rules which we ourselves are expected to abide by, is where I personally draw the line, as it can have a suppressing effect on the content and commentary posted here and in the other subreddits they have chosen to target.

Lol all good man.