Regarding Hogg and student protests
134 2018-03-25 by babaroga73
As someone from eastern Europe, I would like to say a word or two.
We had our share of student movements overthrowing governents in eastern europe (I won't say what country, but you'll probably guess right). We've overthrown our goverment , and I was firmly behind the protest, even close to ones in the top of it, and what we got is the removal of old system that was rigid and conservative, to be replaced with liberal and with young blood in it. What came soon after is sellout of all country resources and healthy industry to foreign interests, and the death of all industry that was troubled. Corruption got waaay higher, and our student leaders went on to be more corrupted and without any clear vision for our country while others went with Soros as part of Resistance movement, to teach students of various countries how to overthrow their countries, specifically as far as I know, to Ukraine and Egypt.
So, as I was easily mislead (it was the end of 90's) and thought it was organic, and full of frustration of then current goverment, only to learn years later that it was all orchestrated by globalist and Soros to drain the country resources and kill independence, I warn you now to read the signs, learn about what S. founded and funded, and be sceptical of what is going on with this, at least.
Because for me, it has all the signs.
That is all.
152 comments
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Yes.
1 DamnYouShoppingBot 2018-03-25
Da!
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Spotted the Russian bot
1 Sakrie 2018-03-25
So we should believe you just because you say youve personally experienced it? Sounds like a bunch of shill to me, Inb4 I'm banned.
1 babaroga73 2018-03-25
I think I never said "believe me", I'm not a preacher. I just said be skeptical. No movement is organic these days , and as I've learned too late , neither was 15-20 years ago.
1 draven1755 2018-03-25
It was just an observation bro!! One pore person saying watch out for Ssoros. Don’t see your point in this one, sorry.
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Op is sharing his observation as well mate. Soros has had his grubby hands in many a pie. Op is sharing his personal experience. My family is from the same country op is from (this is why I added him as a friend on reddit)...my family looked on in horror in the late 90s at what unfolded. Coincidentally not only was part of a country stolen but a huge mine was taken over and the profits divied up amongst the then us president's cronies. I would say more but I want to be respectful of OP's wish to keep his background private.
1 draven1755 2018-03-25
Sorry, my comment was to sakrie, not OP. I agree with you and OP. Didn’t realize when I responded to sakrie, it went to the bottom. No disrespect intended at all!!
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Oh woops! Haha no worries man ❤️
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
soros is more dangerous than Putin will ever be.
1 seyuelberahs 2018-03-25
Forget Soros and Putin. You are being played. Robert Mercer is the greatest thread to Americans right now.
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
I’d trust any Russian over any Democrat right now.
1 talleyhooo 2018-03-25
Yep you played right into their hands didn't you
1 Alliwantisaname 2018-03-25
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html
Did you?
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
I don’t see Russia pumping out 24/7 propaganda on my TV.
1 talleyhooo 2018-03-25
Your cable doesn't have RT? It's okay, Russia pumps out propaganda 24/7 on the internet. I see that has gotten to you!!
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-03-25
Removed. Rule 10.
1 procgen 2018-03-25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
It’s better than the rest of the fake news. Many British and American journalists work for RT.
1 procgen 2018-03-25
Yes, and many British and American journalists work for BBC News and CNN. What's your point?
Also, what makes it "better than the rest of the fake news"?
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
RT isn’t spewing 24/7 pure bullshit.
1 procgen 2018-03-25
No MSM organization is. That's the point. By blending fact and fiction, they create a hyperreality where all things are at once true and untrue.
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
Lay off the drugs son.
1 procgen 2018-03-25
Read - it's good for you!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreality
1 procgen 2018-03-25
Do you trust a Russian over a Republican? What about a Libertarian? Green Party? You're fascinating.
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
The Reps aren’t constantly frothing at the mouth over Russia and ridiculous ‘gotcha’ attempts at trying to distract the president. The waste of tome and money that all this has caused should be a criminal offence. I can’t wait until November.
1 procgen 2018-03-25
They might be right about a good deal of it, of course. We shall see! (And yes, November can't come soon enough.)
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
Trump is working on plans to start locking some of these people up. Hopefully he’ll start doing it soon. Mueller is next for the chop.
1 procgen 2018-03-25
I think that's less likely than Trump being disgraced/ousted/imprisoned. But we both agree that time will tell. It's exciting to watch no matter where you stand!
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Right....peach mints any day now right mate? 🙄
1 procgen 2018-03-25
I dunno, but I can't wait to find out.
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Why wait when you can find out right now? Not gonna happen.
1 procgen 2018-03-25
Oh, okay! Thanks for the scoop.
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Any time ☺️
1 procgen 2018-03-25
😉
1 Prd2bMerican 2018-03-25
Lmao keep dreaming
1 procgen 2018-03-25
I'm glad to watch it all unfold with you, whichever way it goes.
1 SgtVeritas 2018-03-25
No the reps were too busy frothing at the mouth about what church Obama attended and when he ate. Dijon mustard.... totally reasonable.
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
And all the drone strikes and Libya - lol.
1 SgtVeritas 2018-03-25
Except none of them ever said shit about that.
1 perfect_pickles 2018-03-25
GOP guilty by association with ObamaCo during those crimes.
DNC guilty by association with BushCo during and after 9/11 and the GWOT.
war criminals the lot of them.
1 SgtVeritas 2018-03-25
Thank you for some sanity
1 perfect_pickles 2018-03-25
lets do a historical comparison.
wall street bankrolled Lenin to overthrow the Czar in a stupid futile attempt to recover earlier Russian stock market losses.
democrats and republicans and wall street bankrolled Hitler, then traded with the nazi and appeased him during the build up to WW2 which they thought would be an eastward war.
1 chewbaklava 2018-03-25
wow lol
1 SgtVeritas 2018-03-25
What have they done to our conservatives? Electing an "America first" candidate, then a year later siding with a foreign power over roughly half of their fellow Americans... we're so fucked.
1 Tulipssinkships 2018-03-25
Hahahahaha. I didn't know Soros actually imprisoned and murdered his political opponents
1 yellowsnow2 2018-03-25
Soros funded the organization of the Ukraine overthrow. Then the interim government they installed killed citizens of Ukraine that opposed the take over. A total of over 10,000 deaths.
And that is just on of the countries Soros was the driving force of overthrowing and thus responsible for the deaths of those that opposed his take over attempt.
1 TakeDaBait 2018-03-25
Gonna need a lot of sources for this one.
1 yellowsnow2 2018-03-25
The search feature is that way -->
I was here as it was happening.
1 GrandKai23 2018-03-25
The man admitted it himself in a cnn interview lol
ZAKARIA: First on Ukraine, one of the things that many people recognized about you was that you during the revolutions of 1989 funded a lot of dissident activities, civil society groups in eastern Europe and Poland, the Czech Republic. Are you doing similar things in Ukraine?
SOROS: Well, I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now.
SOURCE: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1405/25/fzgps.01.html
1 NorthBlizzard 2018-03-25
2 month old account defending Soros
"Organic"
1 Prd2bMerican 2018-03-25
Exactly.
1 Sunglasses-At-Nite 2018-03-25
This sub is more comedy than conspiracy sometimes.
1 NorthBlizzard 2018-03-25
Right? People actually trying to defend Soros lol
1 THOUVAST 2018-03-25
Do you even know who Soros is and what he actually does? Or is he just a boogeyman to you that keeps you scared?
1 chewbaklava 2018-03-25
ya? and what do you have to say about the mercers?
1 piplechef 2018-03-25
Nothing. We’re told not to talk about them at all.
1 chewbaklava 2018-03-25
"we're"? what does that mean?
1 Dogeholio 2018-03-25
"we're" is a contraction of "we are".
1 chewbaklava 2018-03-25
ya, not shit. what do you mean by we are?
1 Dogeholio 2018-03-25
I'm not the person who posted that, I just answered your question.
1 winksup 2018-03-25
Regardless of whether I agree with anything you’ve said or not, what good does not saying your country do for you? It just makes you seem like a larper to me. I’m sure the second you type in what country you’re talking about, the government will come repelling in guns blazing because of the r/conspiracy post.
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Or Maybe he doesn't want to for privacy reasons? 😑
1 winksup 2018-03-25
And yet he clearly talks about where he’s from in other posts. It’s Yugoslavia. And he frequents t_d. Whatever though
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Maybe because in this particular post he didn't feel comfortable saying where he's from. Not everyone trawls peoples histories. And who cares if he frequents T_D? I do as well. Doesn't null our experiences or the experience of our families. In fact the opposite - our experiences bring a different and often completely unheard and very valuable perspective. But that's fine if you want to invalidate others based on something so inconsequential.
Wanna know why I voted Trump and why I'm on T_D? The unauthorised bombing and pillaging of my parents' home country. But being on T_D makes us bad people 🙄
1 Putnum 2018-03-25
Grade A shitpost front page material, cheers for the read OP
1 VintageOG 2018-03-25
In the US, until we can identify who's actually in power, everything is just rhetoric. It's like watching an episodic tv drama, that never puts the pieces together and connects to a larger plot
1 godlameroso 2018-03-25
Vanguard group.
1 Dirk_Benedict 2018-03-25
Hey, with their super low fees on ETFs, they should be in charge. Wait, is this /personalfinance/ ? Where am I?
1 aoguang 2018-03-25
That's the beauty of the 2nd amendment and the American attitude. These children have no clue what they are starting, and they don't understand the severity of true revolution. Pawns used in a game by the "progressive liberal" communists.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-03-25
And it is quite likely that your public education system wasn't deliberately dumbed America's has been. The billionaire behind these astroturfed protests have been identified and it is abundantly clear that these students' naivete is being exploited.
1 leidogbei 2018-03-25
its Ahmed the Clock Boy all over again ...
1 LEGALinSCCCA 2018-03-25
It's a common theme of revolutions curated by TPTB to use the youth. It's the "think of the children" idea taken to an extreme. You can be against the children! They just want safety! It's obvious this is what's happening. They are riling up the youth to take your guns. If you're against it they call you old, conservative, etc. I'm terrified that communism will come to fruition and we will turn into the USSR. You can see California going that way.
1 krillwave 2018-03-25
They aren't here to ban all guns or turn us into an unarmed state. The US does need tougher gun laws and universal background checks.
1 LEGALinSCCCA 2018-03-25
That's what everyone thinks before an unthinkable act is committed.
1 rapey_tree_salesman 2018-03-25
We have background checks. The problem is when someone with zero criminal or mental health background decides to commit one of these horrible acts. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin
1 Turpekal_Thrizz 2018-03-25
Depends. In my state there are no background checks, no registration requirements, no licenses needed to own a gun
1 rapey_tree_salesman 2018-03-25
In the United States? Background checks are federal level, to buy a gun in the United States you need to pass a background check.
1 Zerogravitycrayon 2018-03-25
Nearly half of liberals polled want to ban all firearms. Not just semi autos.
1 godlameroso 2018-03-25
Only manually loaded muskets allowed, fucking leftie hipsters.
1 Go_Spurs_Go 2018-03-25
Even that article says the shitty survey didn’t bother to define its terms so the questions could be misleading. It admits it’s working with a flawed survey, but that hasn’t stopped everyone trying to redefine the gun legislation as a gun grab from spreading this article far and wide anytime someone says that they don’t want to ban guns.
1 Zerogravitycrayon 2018-03-25
You're not touching them. Continue at your own peril.
1 Go_Spurs_Go 2018-03-25
What does that even mean? I’m not coming for your guns, I pointing out your shitty source. Care to address that instead of making vague internet threats?
1 Zerogravitycrayon 2018-03-25
I'm not making a threat, I'm trying to protect you from giving Communists a foot in the door.
During her speech at the March For Our Lives rally in Washington, D.C. on Saturday, Parkland school shooting survivor Delaney Tarr said the movement will seek to ‘take a mile,’ after the Trump administration bans bump stocks.
1 Go_Spurs_Go 2018-03-25
I don’t need your protection from ideas. But thanks. Care to address your shitty article/survey?
1 Zerogravitycrayon 2018-03-25
I'd say your ActBlue funded activists let the cat out of the bag on stage yesterday. They did so to roarus applause from their peers.
They aren't interested in an inch. They are after a mile.
They confirmed the results of that poll to everyone listening.
1 godlameroso 2018-03-25
Most of the time these so called revolutions are just flowery words that sound good on paper but have no practical application. It just ends up being a bunch of sociopaths trying to fool the sheeplike masses that they have things figured out. They don't, they just do like all politicians and lie through their teeth and hope you're stupid enough to fall for it. Their track record proves they're right, and the masses are stupid.
1 verstohlen 2018-03-25
One thing I'm observing is that adults are increasingly losing any respect they had for kids. Kids have are losing their ability to think critically, and think for themselves and be independent, are increasingly dependent on technology and smartphones. And eating Tide Pods isn't helping the matter.
1 LEGALinSCCCA 2018-03-25
Definitely. Kids are treated like obligations. Which they are. But they're not understanding how much power they have to shape the future generation and the one after that. The butterfly effect is most present in parenting/children.
1 SgtVeritas 2018-03-25
Yeah cause no other generation ever had people in it do stupid shit... damn you internet machine!
1 NorthBlizzard 2018-03-25
One could argue they're also too young and ignorant to lnow what they're talking about.
1 my_friend_mmpeter 2018-03-25
Hogg had made some comment along the lines of "old ass people don't know what the hell their doing about this."
I know I quoted, but I misquoted. It is along those lines though. It goes with what you said about being against them and being old and conservative.
1 LEGALinSCCCA 2018-03-25
There ya go! Proof that he and this movement is meant to divide and conquer. Not solve a problem. An honest approach to solving this problem would look at the role of anti depressants, poor parenting, our culture, even health. Lead poisoning causes mental problems. Health can be just as much of a cause as simple depression (low serotonin/dopamine levels).
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Ah yes and Hogg has the life experience to know what is good for an entire country 🙄..sorry mate you learned to wipe your own ass not too long ago. It's not to say that youth=stupidity, more that wisdom comes with experience and age.
1 Villainary 2018-03-25
If you’re from Eastern Europe why do you frequent t_d?
Fuck outta my US politics
1 StefanYellowCurry 2018-03-25
Yugoslavia for sure.
1 babaroga73 2018-03-25
Which brings us to curious insight on matters of communism, staged democracy, civil wars, civil unrest, protests, influence of foreign factors, powers and players, corruption, dictatorship, left and right extremism, and utter and unrepairable disappointment in human life.
1 zzzzzzxxxzzzzzzz 2018-03-25
Very valuable post with great perspective. - Young American that very much appreciates what you’re putting out in this post. Helping me shape and form my own thoughts on the change in the United States.
1 Loyalrunescapeman 2018-03-25
speaking as a none American it's been hard to really take the movement seriously purely on the fact that all the pictures of the two main kids are so... just set for the camera
it's like no candid picture exists of them lol to the point it feels incredibly manufactured ~ this plus the bussing in of children by bankrollers behind the scenes. it doesn't feel natural in any way which makes me.skeptical as shit
1 theBullshitFlag 2018-03-25
Can confirm. Is thoroughly manufactured, made-for-TV propaganda. This 'operation' is the exact opposite of organic. There is no grass roots support for people like Hogg coming to take the guns. None. Any suggestion to the contrary is laughable. There was a "march" in my city yesterday; no one I know gave a rat's ass. Yet depending on which channel you stare at you would think there are throngs of people out there demanding that we disarm ourselves. That is simply not true.
1 perfect_pickles 2018-03-25
here in MN as reported in the Free Press, 33 students lined up alongside one road in one town to silently protest.
could it be a coincidence that it was thirty three, or signalling something !?
1 kabartanto 2018-03-25
They're being funded by leftist organizations. Anyone who thinks this was a grassroots effort is naive as hell.
1 StefanYellowCurry 2018-03-25
I have a huge Hogg
1 perfect_pickles 2018-03-25
a raging Hogg !?
does it point over there ?
1 applebucks 2018-03-25
Thanks, u/babaroga73, for that information. I love coming tothis sub, and enjoy hearing other's POV.
I am as skeptical as the next person on here when it comes to motives for polical movements and what not, but I think this is different.
I was a middle school teacher for about ten years, and the kids are actually a lot more reflective and caring about one another. The advent of the internet might have muddied the waters, but it also exposed students to ideas that I never would have heard about when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, and especially my parent's generation before that.
I think these kids will be a very different force who are actually much more aware of how previous generations are screwing them, be it guns, corruption, the environment, or overspending on the military.
What these kids do with this power is another story, and something you are concerned about as well. For me, talking to these kids at the DC rally yesterday, and engaging with them as a former teacher, I would say you should be a bit more optimistic about these new group of kids.
I do not think Hogg or Gonzalez are being told what to say. They were attacked, and are fighting for their fellow students. Wouldn't you do the same if you were already slightly against something, and then that something upturns your world in the worst way possible?
I think these two are genuinely good people, very well spoken, and personally congratulate them. Neither of them do not even want all guns taken away. They aren't extreme in their proposals, which is another sign that they understand the issue more than many people are giving them credit for.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks for posting on here!
1 babaroga73 2018-03-25
I admire your spirit and faith in new generation of kids, but kids will always be kids. The first time I was brought out of school and into protests was in my 11th grade (16+ years), in the late 80's, and I was having much fun not being in classes with my classmates. That's the first time we've changed the goverment. And from then to my 25th year, we've done it once again, as students, each time bringing worse people in power. We've had one brief month or so of ray of light, but it all shattered too soon to build anything good.
I can't speak for the internet age kids and their experience, but there's reason why every village (and so shoulf this global village) had "the elders".
It's not for kids to guide, and they aren't doing it in this case, too. Their idealism is invigorating and infectious, but they don't undestand the bottom line.
1 applebucks 2018-03-25
Sure. Although I'm more talking about the adults these kids are being forged into. Basically, I think they will be great adults, and I look forward to having them pick up humanity's torch.
1 perfect_pickles 2018-03-25
David Hogg is a the son of a FBI special agent, older than he claims to be too.
prob a graduate of Quantico like his father. or maybe Langley.
1 applebucks 2018-03-25
While I am aware of CIA involvement in media, and I consider myself highly skeptical when it comes to political and mass media motives, I will have to hold off on my criticisms of a kid who was involved in a school shooting.
Sandy hook deniers leave a bad taste in my mouth. I would argue to give this kid Hogg the benefit of the doubt in saying he is fighting for his right. If it wasn’t him, and it was just some joe shmo kid without any relation to intelligence office, people in here would still find a way to discredit them because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
The government is not coming for your guns. Maybe the ones that should be reserved for military forces, and maybe put in common sense legislation, but not hand guns. At least not in our lifetimes
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
"At least not in our lifetimes" well that says it all.
1 applebucks 2018-03-25
It was just a comment that we won’t see it. Hunters alone in this country needs guns, and people do need protection. I’ll march with you if they ever try to take handguns, which I believe truly protect good people who are vulnerable.
I personally know someone who was shot and killed by a gun when we were kids. Parents left it out and he was shot in the head. Too many of these stories every day pop up. It should be really hard for someone to get a gun. Would you agree that we need to make it harder for any ransoms person to just fill out a silly test and get on with it? Cars are more heavily regulated than guns
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
...how are cars regulated, exactly? 😑 Cars kill far more people than guns do.
Your anecdotal story isn't good enough reason. The vast majority of gun related deaths are from suicides....the left likes to leave that lil detail out. I wonder why.
So what sort of guns do you think they want to take away?
Guns are not that easy to obtain. If this Parkland kid had been dealt with properly after the ungodly amount of times police were notified of him and dealt with him, he would never have been able to purchase the guns he did.
And how do you think full on gun confiscation begins?
This is why pro 2A people are very defensive of their right and justifiably cautious. Once you begin chipping away at something it becomes increasingly easier to chip away more and more. And then what are we left with?
1 applebucks 2018-03-25
While I am aware of CIA involvement in media, and I consider myself highly skeptical when it comes to political and mass media motives, I will have to hold off on my criticisms of a kid who was involved in a school shooting.
Sandy hook deniers leave a bad taste in my mouth. I would argue to give this kid Hogg the benefit of the doubt in saying he is fighting for his right. If it wasn’t him, and it was just some joe shmo kid without any relation to intelligence office, people in here would still find a way to discredit them because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
The government is not coming for your guns. Maybe the ones that should be reserved for military forces, and maybe put in common sense legislation, but not hand guns
1 applebucks 2018-03-25
At least not in our life time
1 applebucks 2018-03-25
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380135-parkland-student-corrects-fox-im-not-against-the-second
1 Amazonistrash 2018-03-25
Sweden? Finland?
1 irondumbell 2018-03-25
great countries where the government actually works for the people
1 Amazonistrash 2018-03-25
You must not know many people who live there. Finland is ok but sweden is fucked... unless youre a muslim rapist.
1 babaroga73 2018-03-25
Balkans.
1 thegayotter 2018-03-25
Ah, Serbians, a more paranoid version than Romanians or Bulgarians, suffering as well due to rancid political corruption (generally, not accusing anyone).
While I'm not going to go into those events that transpired, I'd like to mention that generally among our group (Bulgarians/Romanians/Serbians) there's this sort of expectation that if you "revolt" once that's all you need to do in order for things to get "better".
Romanians are slowly learning that the past few years, corruption hasn't started the moment we overthrew our dictatorship, we simply exposed more of it. It's not enough to protest once, or to overthrow them once, or to execute the dictators on second day of Christmas and broadcast it on the national television channel, you must do so continuously and involve yourself in the political and societal system.
1 MaryLS 2018-03-25
I think the point here is that too many people do not know about the Russian Revolution (and others) and strategies used to overthrow a government. There is a lot of propaganda and manipulation happening --as well as false flags. I believe the long-term (or maybe short term) plan is to create upheaval such that it will be necessary to establish a police state. People will be controlled by the military.
Some of the current anger and demonstrations are against the Trump government. But if we are not careful, we will bring on something much more dangerous. There are powerful (and corrupt) people behind Antifa, BLM, the media, etc. Soros is one, but there are others. We are currently engaged in culture wars which are aimed at undermining traditional sources of stability (e.g. family, churches, communities). Before getting actively involved with some of the activist groups, people need to be aware that they could be inviting something much worse.
Now another example is Iran. There was a lot of corruption with the Shah and people wanted him gone. Some were hoping for a Communist regime, others for something more democratic. But the ones ready to pounce were the Islamic radicals. Once a vacuum occurred, the radicals were able to take over whether or not the people were onside. A small group of ruthless people is all you need to create a totalitarian state.
My view is that a lot of the political chaos happening, demonstrations and the rabid anti-Trump rhetoric is undermining democracy rather than helping to bring about a more just world. Trump is for 4 years -- a military takeover (possibly even by the UN) would last for much longer. I even think that threats to impeach Trump are misguided as it would create visceral and likely violent anger among his supporters. Yet, those seeking chaos support this. Dems, of course, support this, but I think they simply swept away with their own political animosity and not looking at what is best for the US. Such a thing would be very damaging for the country.
Do not squander our democracy. You need only look at revolutionary movements around the world to realize that what is going on is dangerous. It is not the young people protesting (the useful fools) -- but those who are orchestrating all of this that are the danger.
1 babaroga73 2018-03-25
You nailed it. I'm seeing this stage as the stage when they create the "atmosphere", of upheaval or something similar.
1 perfect_pickles 2018-03-25
no, it would be by the DoD. they pretty much control or dominate most already, just not in name.
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Beautifully written. You are spot on. We saw it with the Bolshevik revolution, and we're seeing it in the Ukraine, we saw it in Serbia, and we're seeing an attempt at it in Syria...this is why as. Serbian American I speak out as much as I can to warn people after what happened to us and our Kosovo. They don't want a democracy, compromise, and fairness - they want to shut people up and drown them out. And they use any means necessary to silence the other side or anyone who even remotely speaks against them.
1 high-valyrian 2018-03-25
I used this very same argument, which I see as truth, to a young liberal acquaintance recently. Sadly, she did not understand the logic behind the statement, but I am glad to see my sentiments echoed here.
My gut feeling here (don't ask me for proof, I have none concrete) is that Trump is on the better side of this far from Soros. Las Vegas, and its connection to Saudi, gun-running, and outside forces supports this as I really think Trump was blindsided by this event. Also, this event happened to target prime Trump supporters (country music fans). It was almost a warning to the Trump establishment.
I've written previously about the decimation of the family unit and the flipping of role normalization going on today. Children are now loners who give their attention to violent media, eat and drink toxic chemicals that affect their minds and bodies, have lost the ability to healthily express themselves and cannot function in a stable society. Of course this breeds violence and mental instability. Now that there's at least two or three generations of folks who have been affected by these factors, there will be bad actors who are happy to take advantage of the weakened state of these young people and mold them into whatever they want them to be. Even school shooters. Even militants. The data is there if anyone cares to look.
1 chewbaklava 2018-03-25
yes, keep the status quo, everything is fine, keep your head down, don't change things.
what a crock a shit
1 I_HAVE_POON_WORMZ 2018-03-25
If you read what was said he is telling us to keep our heads up & stay alert.
1 chewbaklava 2018-03-25
not really. he seems to be a pretty reactionary, and telling people not to do anything too drastic and not let the kids change anything.
1 babaroga73 2018-03-25
Kids will not change anything. If any change would come, it will be from whoever wants it, under the cloak of "but the kids (our future) wants it".
Reactionary, you say ... Funny so, that people in my surrounding still think I live with my head in clouds, dreaming of better days will come, when they've all accepted that all hope is lost. Living their lives on autopilot.
1 cracker--jack 2018-03-25
America did this decades ago and is still getting rid of what's left. We don't use protests to do it either, we disguise it a cultural advancement. Allowing Americans to protest is a good thing for TPTB. It gives the soccer moms and constitutionalists the illusion that they have some form of control over what the government does. Some protests will enact change, but it's usually short lived and any progress is quietly rolled back.
1 irondumbell 2018-03-25
Gun deaths are more sensational than other ways of dying. It's easy to capture the public's imagination and to play with their emotions. On the other hand, car accidents, cancer, and heart disease aren't as exciting despite causing more deaths and being preventable. The outrage against guns isn't proportional to the casualties or even to the chances of getting killed with a gun. I'm not saying don't regulate guns, but seriously some people are taking it too far and are getting too caught up in their crusade. Anti-gun protesters are really great people with good hearts and good intentions but they are being manipulated by the media.
1 godlameroso 2018-03-25
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
1 Turpekal_Thrizz 2018-03-25
And the road to good intentions is paved with hell
1 Drake02 2018-03-25
They believe they have to take it far to "win". Otherwise what is all the marching for?
What was the women's March for? What was the inauguration protest and broken windows for? What is this March for our lives for?
It's to win, to create some sort of action to show that their lives of political activism equate to the long standing history of political activists.
That's the problem, they don't care what it actually is, they just want to see the Reddit posts and share photos on their Instagram.
1 OT-GOD-IS-DEMIURGE 2018-03-25
David H(fr)ogg's revolution without guns while carrying clear backpacksand using rocks, bwahahahahaha, yeah sure guys!
This is an actual liberal policy that one school just passed in Penssylvania. They decided to have 5 gallon buckets of river rocks to throw at any school shooters in the event of a shooting:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/students-armed-stones-ditch-plan-ward-off-school/story?id=53961564
This how absolutely fucking dumb the left is. Beyond anything I ever thought possible. Also David Frogg is funded by Soros
1 DonutsJunction 2018-03-25
Sad but true.
1 Miscrotesoft 2018-03-25
I've said it before, I'll say it again:
Obesity kills 10 times (40k vs 400k) more than guns annually in the US.
The food and drink lobby spends more than the gun rights lobby, who is the favorite boogeyman of democrats right now, and it has more "revolvers", or lobbyists who formerly held positions in government.
Food and drink companies lied to consumers about the effects of processed sugar, and have actively tried burying research on the health effects of sugar.
Cigarette companies are banned from advertising to children, yet we have live in a culture that celebrates cartoon characters selling drinks with 40g of corn syrup to toddlers... in the middle of a child obesity epidemic.
Furthermore, there is a growing body of data linking poor mental health outcomes to poor diet and nutrition, mental health and antidepressant use (benzos) is in turn linked to mass shootings.
So working on public nutrition not only saves lives out of that 400,000... it has an added result of reducing mental illness and thereby mass shootings.
But how often do you hear people talking about that on this sub, vs "ban guns"
I don't see any concern for "ban food companies from marketing sugar to toddlers"... cause apparently no one actually gives a shit.
Don't let the gun grabbers fool you... they don't give a fuck about preventing loss of life. The gun issue is entirely political to them.
1 Yevad 2018-03-25
Benzodiazepines are anti anxiety meds working with the brains gaba regulation similar to alcohol and are different then ssri's or maoi's which are antidepressants changing how serotonin works in the brain.
1 Miscrotesoft 2018-03-25
Thanks for pointing out the distinction.
Benzos are important because they are widely prescribed for a variety of mental health issues, including depression.
1 stealyourideas 2018-03-25
Benzos aren't used for depression, strictly anxiety. Now a depressed person may be prescribed them as a part of a psychiatric cocktail to address general, or panic attacks. But, they aren't for straight up depression.
1 Miscrotesoft 2018-03-25
They aren't strictly used for anxiety. Maybe by classification, but you'll find plenty of evidence online that meds like Valium are often prescribed if a patient comes in with anxiety and depression, to treat them both.
Also, worth noting that Xanax is the most prescribed psychoactive drug in the US. So while the distinction is there, it doesn't really have an impact on the argument that poor mental health outcomes lead to greater prescription of psychoactive drugs, including benzos.
1 kerrymti1 2018-03-25
Thank you for your insight...unfortunately, many of us already know this is the 'game plan' and try to red-pill others to see the signs. They are there, you are right...:/.
1 JamesEpep 2018-03-25
This is quite possibly the funniest thing I’ve ever read.
1 babaroga73 2018-03-25
Grad you're amuzed. I was too, at the time.
1 Funjam 2018-03-25
For years this sub has been preaching how people need to wake up and fight the status quo and now, when the next generation is waking up and organizing a political movement against the big gun, You do everything in your power to squash them because they put their targets into something you liked.
r/conspiracy defending billion dollar industry that survives by fearmongering the public and bribing politicians. How the mighty have fallen.
1 Tvisbadforyou 2018-03-25
Many of these student walk outs ended in chaos. They're not standing up to anything. Let's do this event after school. Guarantee no one will go or give a shit. Kids did this to ditch school and have a "legitmate" reason to do it.
There are still guns and gun homicides were there are full on gun bans. How will banning guns help with the gang problem? How about they look for a real root problem instead of trying to band aid things with 2 month solutions before people.
People who are wanting to kill will kill. Go find the root problems not band aids
1 babaroga73 2018-03-25
Question: In my country my son (and every other kid), goes to primary school that has cameras all over and a policeman who works specifically in that school, yet my country does not have liberal gun purchase, and had , I think, one shooting in schoolyard which was done by passing drug dealers, and it's the only one I remember happening like 5 years ago.
Why doesn't US have this in school?
This have nothing to do with gun laws, only common sense.
1 difficult_vaginas 2018-03-25
Schools in the USA have this too...
But your country almost certainly has stricter gun laws and lower rates of ownership than the USA.
1 MizchiefKilz 2018-03-25
This is why they have to disarm us before they can take control of the government / country.
1 perfect_pickles 2018-03-25
Shock Doctrine by Naomi Kline.
Hogg and his merry band of hoaxers and false flaggers fit the bill.
1 babaroga73 2018-03-25
Klein
She's smart. I've read No Logo.
reminder of Klein's fifth book, No Is Not Enough: Resisting Trump's Shock Politics and Winning the World We Need was published in June 2017.
So, no.
1 Hierophantic_mind 2018-03-25
Although I'm all for protest, progressive ideas, and free speech, my concern is the one you name which is that some of these movements don't appear organic and grassroots. Instead some seem to have bad actors or ulterior motives lurking in the background.
It's one reason why while I participated in more marches in my youth (Iraq war protests, occupy wall st, etc), now I'm a little more cautious before jumping on the bandwagon, such as with March for our Lives.
1 GaiusHispidus 2018-03-25
we've already had that
1 I_HAVE_POON_WORMZ 2018-03-25
If you read what was said he is telling us to keep our heads up & stay alert.
1 SgtVeritas 2018-03-25
Except none of them ever said shit about that.
1 Go_Spurs_Go 2018-03-25
I don’t need your protection from ideas. But thanks. Care to address your shitty article/survey?
1 perfect_pickles 2018-03-25
GOP guilty by association with ObamaCo during those crimes.
DNC guilty by association with BushCo during and after 9/11 and the GWOT.
war criminals the lot of them.