I think this post is more relevant to /r/ConspiracyRight/

Stay true, the Constitution is more important than anyone's HOLY book or their feelings and pleas for change

I feel like the absolute worship of a document written 230 years ago is no better than someone else's holy book. It was written by men, just the same, and has flaws and was intended to be updated as generations come and go.

Do you think all changes that have come over the years we're wrong?

I don't want to repeal the 2nd amendment or amended it in any shape or form. I'll just get that out of the way.

That said, the idea that the constitution is perfect and should never change is a flawed idea, since it was purposely written in a way to be changed.

And it has many times over the last 200 years.

And lets not forget that with the original constitution, slavery was legal, only land owning white men could vote, and black people were considered 3/5 human.

The constitution was never a perfect document.

Do you think all changes that have come over the years were wrong?

No, and this type of question always leads to accusations of deeply ingrained racism being the only reason people still support the document.

My point with that was more with you saying that the constituation was more important than anyone's desire to have it changed. So you clearly agree that there are some things that should change. Now it's more of a discussion of what is reasonable.

And when people take that to immediately mean that they're coming for all the guns, leads that to be the more likely result when refusing to come to the table for reasonable gun controlled.

If the highly motivated opposition to Trump really believed that he was an orange tyrant looking to strip away people's rights, those same people would NOT be simultaneously begging to have their 2nd amendment rights stripped away.

Sure they would, if they already believed the 2nd amendment rights don't really make a difference versus a tyrant.

Do you think that anyone cares about antifasplaining when it comes to doing away with our rights?

Dork alert!!!

I don't understand the fantasy of starting a violent revolution against the government.

More likely, the people will be propagandized by the perversion of the First Amendment to hand over most of our speech space to oligarch operators who will fill that space with anti-government paranoia that will confuse a heavily armed public.

When the "revolution" comes, TPTB will stand aside and watch the population dwindle, laughing the whole time.

Maybe not the explanation you're looking for, but I think they're just regular people who feel small, insignificant, and powerless in the grand scheme of things, and those fantasies allow them to imagine themselves as heroes who have an effect on the world.

I'm SPARTICUS, no way man I'M SPARTICUS.

Fuck you buddy, I have this plastic sword, I get to be sparticus.

Dude look at this r/mallninjashit knife I have, clearly I'm Sparticus.

Then the smallish quiet,yet strong man in the corner stands up and motions to his friends and the "counter-revolutionaries" that have been within their group all along face their judgement at the hands of the "True protector of ze revolution".

The Night of the long knives has begun anew.

Revolutionaries never consider they're the second against the wall, right behind the old boss.

If every gun owner pooled their money together you wouldn’t even dent this years military budget let alone the other trillions of dollars we have spent arming the government. . How are you going to stop them?

“Tin soldiers and Nixon coming, We're finally on our own. This summer I hear the drumming, Four dead in Ohio.”

..and everybody involved simmered right the fuck down after that.

Tons of bloodbaths and a chance to meet the new boss.

No winners there.

So those citizens have outed themselves as unprincipled bootlickers already, is what you're saying.

If not our soldiers then who are afraid of losing your freedom to I’m confused?

Ok what if the globalist are also flat-earthers and we have been calling them by the wrong name all this time? What shall we call them when we get then to confess?

Only the ones who aren't driven there by poverty.

You are a fool and a tool to think that.

Removed. Rule 10

Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires you know.

The people of the US would be FAR more well armed than them.

it's been theorized 1/3 soldiers and their units would defect to a citizens revolution(I think it's much higher), then other nations looking to keep the US destabilized would, of course, aid the rebels.

Whole Units. Combat Ready.

When the USSR fell, the percentage of units unwilling to shoot their neighbours was far higher. (In the 90% area iirc, could be wrong)

50 men on a hill with automatic weapons can, have and will knock a fighter jet right out of the sky. Let alone whole anti-air units. Not to mention whole Air Wings.

Remember the old saying "Hunting tanks is easy and fun" It's even easier and more fun when you're crusing around in a Abrams, I'll wager.

WMDs? Now you've got the whole UN on your case, and it goes from "Dirty Rebels" to "Victims of the TYRANTS trying to extinguish the beacon of Freedom and democracy!" "Think of the children!" "BUY WARBONDS!" Plus, who's going to actually turn the key on THAT operation?

Most countries, at this point in history, consider taking and holding the US virtually impossible, even with every other nation in the world combined. (Counting on the US military to largely go pro-we the people, which every indication shows)

So, No the US population isn't defenseless, "We, the People" ARE the Most powerful military force in the US.

Lol this is what I get for a calm, reasoned explanation.

Lol sorry I'm not playing any games with you. Your post was dumb, I pointed out why, think about it and maybe make a better post next time. Make a good post someday and maybe, just maybe, I'll consider you worth the time to discuss other things with.

given enough time in the spotlight they will undoubtedly defeat themselves

True shit. They WILL at some point cross the line & and inevitably hit the point of no return.

he was an orange tyrant looking to strip away people's rights

Only time I see him called anything close to a tyrant is when he starts talking about punishing the press. Which is something a tyrant would do.

Man, you must have missed it. Cheetoh Hitler was a personal favorite, very funny.

The lead up to the election was filled wall to wall with promises of DOOM! DISPAIR!! DESTRUCTION!!!

Gays worried they'd be rounded up and shot, Roe V Wade Overturned, Muslims going into camps then deported......or worse etc.

That was just against Trump, the Clinton ones were equally out there.

I wish I was exagerating, sadly I am not.

Gays worried they'd be rounded up and shot

Lol no one said that.

Muslims going into camps

No one said that either

Transgender are losing rights under Trump. Both Ohio and Alabama have put forth radical abortion laws thst will challenge Roe v Wade.

Are you not paying attention to what is going on or do you only pay attention to the fake outrage?

Or maybe very few people want "their 2nd amendment rights stripped away," and instead a majority want reasonable laws and well-enforced regulations surrounding the purchase and sale of guns. And how about some CDC research on gun violence.

How about some CDC research into their missing employee.

Great point. Reasonable laws and regulations are in place. The problem is authorities seem to do nothing with this information. VA is one of the most open states when it comes to purchasing a firearm. You still have to submit to a $40, non-refundable, background check (talking about actual shops, not shows) and for almost all of the incidents of late, authorities had prior complaints that were not followed through. Most of these were on medication or had mental health issues, too. To me, it’s clear as day where the problem lies.

I'd much prefer more regulations, preferably supply side, than trying to divert even more resources and authority to the cops to act on "complaints".

I didn’t mean more cop intervention, perhaps more like strengthening the background process. Accessories restrictions won’t change a thing. VA Tech had a relatively large victim count and the dude only used semi pistols.

Accessories restrictions won’t change a thing. VA Tech had a relatively large victim count and the dude only used semi pistols.

If accessories don't make a difference...why defend keeping them?

I meant in keeping people “safer”.

How is a lower body count not safer?

“Tin soldiers and Nixon coming, We're finally on our own. This summer I hear the drumming, Four dead in Ohio”

That we are caught in a societal schism, right now