Quick question: when Trump supporters say "You're welcome to come here but you have to do it LEGALLY", is this statement welcoming to immigrants?

0  2018-03-31 by Flytape

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I'm not sure what you are asking here.

As a tag line statement or something? I don't understand. I believe in a legal immigration process much like all the countries in the world require.

In a vacuum it's not bad.

What about outside of the vacuum?

What does it mean when a Trump supporter says it?

Well I think many Trump supporters wish to severely curtail legal immigration (e.g. chain migration). In that context it is not so welcoming.

So from a Trump supporter it's probably a little bit of mockery mixed in with it.

I try not to generalize. I keep getting called anti gun on here despite owning guns. But generally speaking I would consider the statement to be disingenuous if coming from the average Trump supporter

Yes, that’s welcoming. That is how any welcoming place does it, and there aren’t a lot of countries that are even willing to do that.

So would you say it's welcoming but also insisting they follow the rules?

Yes

An immigrant is one who comes legally...

Yes.

How is this a conspiracy?

I see nothing wrong with that statement.

There's a subreddit for this, can't remember what it's called. Try searching for "askthedonald" or "asktrumpsupporters" something like that.

I don't need any advice, thanks.

ROFL

Do you feel like it's a welcoming statement?

I feel like it is an ignorant question.

I see where you're coming from.

Do you think it's maybe crafted to say "we know you're here and we know you didn't do it the legal way so keep your fucking head down and don't cause trouble"…?

I don't think there are very many illegal immigrants online in right wing forums or listening to hate radio, so I would say it is more likely it is to generate resentment from our own seriously underpaid workers.

Of course the remedy is never offered. Stiff fines for the employers including a three strikes and you lose your business kind of sanction.

Or do you think the employers should get a pass, like they do now? And if this is a liberal problem, why do these employers all donate to Republicans?

No. If I find out someone is here illegally I call ICE and have them deported. Either come in legally or don't come at all.

in order to become an immigrant you must apply appropriately before arriving. Justifications can be many, but your arrival is according to immigration laws. For most countries even for short term stay you are required to apply for a visa.

So if someone comes here and doesn't follow the law then how is the same question interpreted?

if the law was infringed after arriving legally? then yes, most probably the visa will be revoked, and the person deported after completing their sentence, since they then will be here illegally.

For example, if someone came here legally and then broke the law/rules they should be deported. Do you think the statement in the title is kind of a cold welcome with a warning about following the rules?

all civilized nations in the world would deport law infringing temporary immigrants (of course we aren't talking about first time jaywalking, for lesser "crimes" usually there is a 3-strike policy).

Laws becomes flexible for those with residence permits (eg green card), long term permissions, and whatnot.

Again I am not referring to intricacies such as Dreamers and natural born non-citizens (something common in Europe), this is another subject entirely.

Yes. The words are literally in the statement you question. I fail to see the conspiracy however.

How about to people who didn't come here legally?

Roses are red, obamas half black.

If you're not legal, you have to go back.

more of this please

I’m sorry, what about them?

Do you think the statement in the title is welcoming to people who did NOT come here legally?

So your first question was worded to specifically inquire about other’s interpretation of the hypothetical feelings of immigrants, but now you are inquiring about someone’s interpretation of the hypothetical feelings of people who break the law?

Don't you see how you are mislead on this issue.

The people who use the 12 million illegal immigrants for workers would have to file bankruptcy without their cheap workers, but all you little people

are being told they are here because of liberals, when in fact,

liberals hate illegal immigrant labor for the obvious reason it reduces wages.

However we do know the illegal immigrants are people, just like y ou and I who have made a desperate attempt to improve their lives and must not be dehumanized in the wage reduction oppression that affects you as well.

Please notice that your hero Trump is not deporting very many, they are need by those chicken and pork processors, etc.

They deport a few give them lots of publicity to scare the others into keeping quite and working what every hours at whatever pay they can be bullied into doing.

In other words, the employers of illegal immigrants, and your own President are running a terrorist campaign against them. But not to make them leave, to keep them subservient.

Interesting. So you think the question itself is kind of bullying them or threatening to them?

I think it is the kind of language the manipulators create to provoke resentment.

So it's definitely not intended to make the immigrants feel welcome?

No it is definitely to generate resentment from all our unemployed citizens. And moves the blame from the employer to the individual.

Where do you think that blame should be directed?

For some reason I imagine this will not get an honest answer that directly addresses the concern being put forth, and this post will be dow-

Oh hey, already 29%. Surprise! It's almost like people are unwilling to admit to hypocritically misrepresenting a completely innocuous statement in order to smear particular users of this sub and associate it a "basket of deplorables."

Oh you have no idea.

How dare a country try to control it's borders and immigration! That's unwelcoming and racist.

I usually dislike and downvote the "where's the conspiracy?" Guys, however I really do feel this lacks conspiracy and is a political post that does not belong here.

It's a developing situation.

Maybe it’s because you put legally in all capitals but it sounds a little intimidating.

It ignores the ignominious history of the US's oppression of the entire global south since this nation's inception. If you go and read the history of many of these countries, you wonder why we are talking about their right to immigrate here instead of why they deserve reparations. Many of these people, morally speaking, should be granted economic/political refugee status as the result of US/CIA intervention in their economies, supporting murderers as their leaders, etc.

So to answer your question, people bristle at this kind of myopic logic because it usually is accompanied by a crass but hubristic historical ignorance.

So to answer your question, no it is not welcoming, and people bristle at this kind of myopic logic because it usually is accompanied by a crass but hubristic historical ignorance.

I agree in part.

an empire that cant even house or feed its own people doesn't need more just my opinion.

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