I try not to generalize. I keep getting called anti gun on here despite owning guns. But generally speaking I would consider the statement to be disingenuous if coming from the average Trump supporter
Do you think it's maybe crafted to say "we know you're here and we know you didn't do it the legal way so keep your fucking head down and don't cause trouble"…?
I don't think there are very many illegal immigrants online in right wing forums or listening to hate radio, so I would say it is more likely it is to generate resentment from our own seriously underpaid workers.
Of course the remedy is never offered. Stiff fines for the employers including a three strikes and you lose your business kind of sanction.
Or do you think the employers should get a pass, like they do now?
And if this is a liberal problem, why do these employers all donate to Republicans?
in order to become an immigrant you must apply appropriately before arriving. Justifications can be many, but your arrival is according to immigration laws. For most countries even for short term stay you are required to apply for a visa.
if the law was infringed after arriving legally? then yes, most probably the visa will be revoked, and the person deported after completing their sentence, since they then will be here illegally.
For example, if someone came here legally and then broke the law/rules they should be deported. Do you think the statement in the title is kind of a cold welcome with a warning about following the rules?
all civilized nations in the world would deport law infringing temporary immigrants (of course we aren't talking about first time jaywalking, for lesser "crimes" usually there is a 3-strike policy).
Laws becomes flexible for those with residence permits (eg green card), long term permissions, and whatnot.
Again I am not referring to intricacies such as Dreamers and natural born non-citizens (something common in Europe), this is another subject entirely.
So your first question was worded to specifically inquire about other’s interpretation of the hypothetical feelings of immigrants, but now you are inquiring about someone’s interpretation of the hypothetical feelings of people who break the law?
The people who use the 12 million illegal immigrants for workers would have to file bankruptcy without their cheap workers, but all you little people
are being told they are here because of liberals, when in fact,
liberals hate illegal immigrant labor for the obvious reason it reduces wages.
However we do know the illegal immigrants are people, just like y ou and I who have made a desperate attempt to improve their lives and must not be dehumanized in the wage reduction oppression that affects you as well.
Please notice that your hero Trump is not deporting very many, they are need by those chicken and pork processors, etc.
They deport a few give them lots of publicity to scare the others into keeping quite and working what every hours at whatever pay they can be bullied into doing.
In other words, the employers of illegal immigrants, and your own President are running a terrorist campaign against them. But not to make them leave, to keep them subservient.
For some reason I imagine this will not get an honest answer that directly addresses the concern being put forth, and this post will be dow-
Oh hey, already 29%. Surprise! It's almost like people are unwilling to admit to hypocritically misrepresenting a completely innocuous statement in order to smear particular users of this sub and associate it a "basket of deplorables."
I usually dislike and downvote the "where's the conspiracy?" Guys, however I really do feel this lacks conspiracy and is a political post that does not belong here.
It ignores the ignominious history of the US's oppression of the entire global south since this nation's inception. If you go and read the history of many of these countries, you wonder why we are talking about their right to immigrate here instead of why they deserve reparations. Many of these people, morally speaking, should be granted economic/political refugee status as the result of US/CIA intervention in their economies, supporting murderers as their leaders, etc.
So to answer your question, people bristle at this kind of myopic logic because it usually is accompanied by a crass but hubristic historical ignorance.
So to answer your question, no it is not welcoming, and people bristle at this kind of myopic logic because it usually is accompanied by a crass but hubristic historical ignorance.
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1 TheRisenOsiris 2018-03-31
I'm not sure what you are asking here.
1 RocketSurgeon22 2018-03-31
As a tag line statement or something? I don't understand. I believe in a legal immigration process much like all the countries in the world require.
1 talleyhooo 2018-03-31
In a vacuum it's not bad.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
What about outside of the vacuum?
What does it mean when a Trump supporter says it?
1 talleyhooo 2018-03-31
Well I think many Trump supporters wish to severely curtail legal immigration (e.g. chain migration). In that context it is not so welcoming.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
So from a Trump supporter it's probably a little bit of mockery mixed in with it.
1 talleyhooo 2018-03-31
I try not to generalize. I keep getting called anti gun on here despite owning guns. But generally speaking I would consider the statement to be disingenuous if coming from the average Trump supporter
1 DanIsSwell 2018-03-31
Yes, that’s welcoming. That is how any welcoming place does it, and there aren’t a lot of countries that are even willing to do that.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
So would you say it's welcoming but also insisting they follow the rules?
1 DanIsSwell 2018-03-31
Yes
1 xenjoi_lifex 2018-03-31
An immigrant is one who comes legally...
1 orrery 2018-03-31
Yes.
1 King_Thor 2018-03-31
How is this a conspiracy?
1 DonnaGail 2018-03-31
I see nothing wrong with that statement.
1 orangearbuds 2018-03-31
There's a subreddit for this, can't remember what it's called. Try searching for "askthedonald" or "asktrumpsupporters" something like that.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
I don't need any advice, thanks.
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-31
ROFL
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
Do you feel like it's a welcoming statement?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-31
I feel like it is an ignorant question.
1 Agrees_withyou 2018-03-31
I see where you're coming from.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
Do you think it's maybe crafted to say "we know you're here and we know you didn't do it the legal way so keep your fucking head down and don't cause trouble"…?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-31
I don't think there are very many illegal immigrants online in right wing forums or listening to hate radio, so I would say it is more likely it is to generate resentment from our own seriously underpaid workers.
Of course the remedy is never offered. Stiff fines for the employers including a three strikes and you lose your business kind of sanction.
Or do you think the employers should get a pass, like they do now? And if this is a liberal problem, why do these employers all donate to Republicans?
1 KEKtheKid 2018-03-31
No. If I find out someone is here illegally I call ICE and have them deported. Either come in legally or don't come at all.
1 leidogbei 2018-03-31
in order to become an immigrant you must apply appropriately before arriving. Justifications can be many, but your arrival is according to immigration laws. For most countries even for short term stay you are required to apply for a visa.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
So if someone comes here and doesn't follow the law then how is the same question interpreted?
1 leidogbei 2018-03-31
if the law was infringed after arriving legally? then yes, most probably the visa will be revoked, and the person deported after completing their sentence, since they then will be here illegally.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
For example, if someone came here legally and then broke the law/rules they should be deported. Do you think the statement in the title is kind of a cold welcome with a warning about following the rules?
1 leidogbei 2018-03-31
all civilized nations in the world would deport law infringing temporary immigrants (of course we aren't talking about first time jaywalking, for lesser "crimes" usually there is a 3-strike policy).
Laws becomes flexible for those with residence permits (eg green card), long term permissions, and whatnot.
Again I am not referring to intricacies such as Dreamers and natural born non-citizens (something common in Europe), this is another subject entirely.
1 odd-meter 2018-03-31
Yes. The words are literally in the statement you question. I fail to see the conspiracy however.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
How about to people who didn't come here legally?
1 theawesomethatis 2018-03-31
Roses are red, obamas half black.
If you're not legal, you have to go back.
1 dahdestroyer 2018-03-31
more of this please
1 odd-meter 2018-03-31
I’m sorry, what about them?
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
Do you think the statement in the title is welcoming to people who did NOT come here legally?
1 odd-meter 2018-03-31
So your first question was worded to specifically inquire about other’s interpretation of the hypothetical feelings of immigrants, but now you are inquiring about someone’s interpretation of the hypothetical feelings of people who break the law?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-31
Don't you see how you are mislead on this issue.
The people who use the 12 million illegal immigrants for workers would have to file bankruptcy without their cheap workers, but all you little people
are being told they are here because of liberals, when in fact,
liberals hate illegal immigrant labor for the obvious reason it reduces wages.
However we do know the illegal immigrants are people, just like y ou and I who have made a desperate attempt to improve their lives and must not be dehumanized in the wage reduction oppression that affects you as well.
Please notice that your hero Trump is not deporting very many, they are need by those chicken and pork processors, etc.
They deport a few give them lots of publicity to scare the others into keeping quite and working what every hours at whatever pay they can be bullied into doing.
In other words, the employers of illegal immigrants, and your own President are running a terrorist campaign against them. But not to make them leave, to keep them subservient.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
Interesting. So you think the question itself is kind of bullying them or threatening to them?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-31
I think it is the kind of language the manipulators create to provoke resentment.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
So it's definitely not intended to make the immigrants feel welcome?
1 daysOFdelusion 2018-03-31
No it is definitely to generate resentment from all our unemployed citizens. And moves the blame from the employer to the individual.
Where do you think that blame should be directed?
1 exkreations 2018-03-31
For some reason I imagine this will not get an honest answer that directly addresses the concern being put forth, and this post will be dow-
Oh hey, already 29%. Surprise! It's almost like people are unwilling to admit to hypocritically misrepresenting a completely innocuous statement in order to smear particular users of this sub and associate it a "basket of deplorables."
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
Oh you have no idea.
1 dammitjenkins20cars 2018-03-31
How dare a country try to control it's borders and immigration! That's unwelcoming and racist.
1 ZiggyAnimals 2018-03-31
I usually dislike and downvote the "where's the conspiracy?" Guys, however I really do feel this lacks conspiracy and is a political post that does not belong here.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
It's a developing situation.
1 paulmr- 2018-03-31
Maybe it’s because you put legally in all capitals but it sounds a little intimidating.
1 Stantoninus 2018-03-31
It ignores the ignominious history of the US's oppression of the entire global south since this nation's inception. If you go and read the history of many of these countries, you wonder why we are talking about their right to immigrate here instead of why they deserve reparations. Many of these people, morally speaking, should be granted economic/political refugee status as the result of US/CIA intervention in their economies, supporting murderers as their leaders, etc.
So to answer your question, people bristle at this kind of myopic logic because it usually is accompanied by a crass but hubristic historical ignorance.
1 Flytape 2018-03-31
I agree in part.
1 dahdestroyer 2018-03-31
an empire that cant even house or feed its own people doesn't need more just my opinion.
1 aleister 2018-03-31
Removed. Rule 12.