These threads are so low effort and annoying.

FB, Cambridge Analytica, Google, Youtube, Twitter Sinclair Broad Casting, all have been caught doing shady shit.

Let people talk about it. Why shut it down with shit threads like this?

Encourage them to look for more shit and help eliminate it instead of bickering like partisan hacks...

in other words you're a right-winger and annoyed your buddies get picked on.

What does the left have to do with this? It's an independent concept. Do you say Hitler gets unfairly targeted because there was genocide in Asia?

no one is shutting anything down in this tread. OP is making the observation that if people start talking about how both sides do it that assholes start saying only one side does it and the other side's shit doesnt stink and they would never do that because they are white knights here to save humanity from the evil dark lord sith satans of the other side.

I think it was Jon Stewart who had exposed something like this a while back and no one cared enough to defend the stations for their shitty "news" reporting.

Also, there are a variety of news brands represented by Sinclair, not just one certain lean.

But look at all the political subs and notice which ones are protecting the shady shit.

Your complaining is low effort and annoying

Cry more.

I could say the same thing to you.

Literally one of your other comments is complaining about people waking up to this.

Your'e*

Not what the post is about at all.

Did you read the post? It wasn’t a lefty whinge. It was an observation pointing out that BOTH sides do it.

Your response proved his point.

If it’s so annoying, ignore and move on. We can’t all be as cool as you. Fucktunnel.

Removed. Rule 10.

Nerf the world.

Encourage them to look for more shit and help eliminate it instead of bickering like partisan hacks...

I can into this thread hoping to discuss exactly this because that appeared to be the purpose of the thread, I'm kind of disappointed to see it getting shutdown because it appears to be getting misinterpreted as one side. Anytime someone adds to a discussion about what we've seen with Sinclair by referencing other known apparatus it gets shutdown as some apparent defense of the pro-Trump media or whataboutism which is dishonest.

Stripping away all the political arguments, Sinclair Broadcast Group reaches 72% of all households, they acquired additional news outlets recently and will further their monopoly. Sad state of affairs when that cannot be the focus for one day because people get in their feels over an emblem next to the news station or some other garbage political reason.

Let people talk about it. Why shut it down with shit threads like this?

Couldn't agree more. It's just another poorly written bitch thread.

I haven't seen people say that the only side that is doing is the right.

Every regular here knows that the MSM is propaganda.

But, I think there are some people who don't like it when conservative propaganda outlets have a spotlight on them because they agree with their political views or message.

And the reason why people are worried about Sinclair is that they are about to own 40% of local news organizations, and are worried that these local news organizations are going to lose their independence and be forced to run must run scripts and promos for partisan propaganda purposes.

But, I think there are some people who don't like it when conservative propaganda outlets have a spotlight on them because they agree with their political views or message, and would prefer the spotlight only on liberal MSM.

Oh come on. Reddit, as a whole, is the largest online gathering place for those on the left. I'll say the same as you, but reverse it, and instead of "some" I'll say "most".

And I would say for those that act like that are hypocrites. Wouldn't you agree that people who like that for either side are hypocrites?

I cannot deny the textbook definition of a word.

I was objecting to your minimization of the magnitude of the those on the left on this site who are hypocrites.

I didn't ask you about the textbook definition of a word.

Wouldn't you agree that people who act like that for either side are hypocrites?

Learn to read.

You certainly did.

Oh come on. Reddit, as a whole, is the largest online gathering place for those on the left.

On the left of you, perhaps. When it comes to classic leftist issues like unions, nationalizing industry and the peace movement, American Reddit is firmly in the center right category. When it comes to classic "personal liberty" issues like drug legalization, and gender and reproductive rights, Reddit is firmly libertarian.

On the gun control issue, Reddit is generally pro-gun-control - but it's very important to remember that gun control is not a left/right issue. Many important leftists are and were extremely opposed to any form of gun control, as a way for the government to consolidate power. Many authoritarian rightists have used gun control as a way to disempower the opposition.

No, you. Complete social leftists.

Stop crying. Every time one "side" has a conspiracy revealed, their syncophants claim a conspiracy is actually being conducted against them. It's the same counter-conspiracy MO that has muddied discourse around here and made truth a partisan issue.

The script thing is dystopian as hell (and loaded with irony with it's "trust us, don't trust them thesis), but for me the issue is Sinclair's hydra-like growth, enabled by Pai and defended by the president, and the fact they are using the credibility of local news to mask their partisanship.

All these stations should be required to note their Sinclair ownership when they run a script or must-show segment. PAC Ad's are required to do this, why is Sinclair an exception?

It seems you're seeing the partisan angle first (because Sinclair is conservative-owned) and deciding mass interest is only because of ideology, and not the practices themselves. Thus you see a topic's popularity as partisan-based instead of being a democratic process, you see fraudulence and manufactured things going on.

I think CTR sucks. Are they comparable to the company that currently owns 40% of "local" news stations nationwide? Sure, they should also be required to run disclaimers and reveal themselves, like PAC's and companies like C.A. should.

Pretty sure Hillary's emails were posted all over everything everywhere. A Republican president has since been elected to a Republican controlled government. Is there a Democrat based conspiracy that has taken place since the election you feel didn't get its due attention?

The NYC voter purge and subsequent slaps on the wrists was largely ignored.

Ok but when I Google that I'm getting to as of articles from supposedly "leftist" media sources, which is contrary to the claims the poster I replied to is making.

pretty sure the real scandals and conspiracies revealed through those emails did not get mentioned even once on cable TV or major print publications. Not that they revealed anything people who do their homework didn't already know or could guess, though.

ReleaseTheMemo was pushed super inorganically here and other subreddits. It took up almost the entire front page of this sub overnight. Also it’s funny how when this Sinclair video was initially posted almost all the comments were heavily right leaning and blaming the left for these talking points but as soon as news came of conservative involvement that narrative changed very fast to “well everyone should know this happens”. Talk about inorganic.

It's the blatant INORGANIC push.

Would you consider it to be inorganic if it happened to align with your beliefs? Like if all the top posts were about cnn?

So did you complain about Correct The Record not posting disclaimers underneath every post they put on social media?

Yes I did

Completely missed the point of the post. Big surprise.

Edit: Glad to see so many people show up to defend the MSM, rather than talk about a conspiracy theory

Nice edit. There's only a few comments here, and no one is defending MSM.

What is the purpose of this post and edit?

No. I'm not "monitoring the post". I went back to see what others were saying. I do it all the time in most of the posts I comment.

But, since there is only a few people here commenting, it's obvious that the edit is not true and that I'm most likely one of the people you were referring to.

A comment from three minutes ago. You made the edit before that.

And none of the comments are defending MSM.

Your edit is false.

No. It's not. Because now you just changed the goal posts and made the assumption that people don't have the intelligence or capabilities to make their own judgement.

Pro Trump fascist media gets caught reading identical spiels on multiple stations

You

but why are people talking about it on my pro Trump conspiracy forum

You sure as fuck aren't anti-trump

You are right. I hate when people make the same generalizations about me (calling be a liberal). My apologies my man.

Exactly who is the MSM to you?

Yeah man I'm kind of an anomaly myself. I hate Trump, love guns, prefer abortions to poor people having kids, hate fucking taxes, think Russia is playing us like fools, hate social justice warriors, hate Israel, isolationist, think drugs should be legal, voted for Hillary even though I hate her just because I hate Trump more. I could go on and on.

Ever stop to consider your "anomaly" is just stupidity?

Ever stop to consider your reply violates rule 10?

Lol k

This is wrong. I don't know about other Sinclair stations and won't claim to, but ABC6/Fox28 in Columbus (Sinclair owned) is definitely not pro Trump. In fact, it is rather left-leaning.

Are you trying to say MSM is left wing propaganda? LOL

Can't tell if you're that retarded or not

The left barely exists in this country

You just have neolibs like Hillary disguised as "progressive".

There is no left wing equivalent to Fox news or Sinclair

What do you call Hollywood??

Hollywood is generally a pro-establishment, pro-war, pro-big-business, celebrity brown-nosing way of putting a kinder face on neoliberal capitalism.

You call me when Hollywood stops making pro-war films and stops glorifying royalty and powerful people. You call me when Hollywood stops accepting money and material support from the military and the CIA (see this book).

Individual actors of course do have their own opinions, but there are tons of far right wing actors, and most of the "leftist" actors have opinions that in America before 1980, or in the rest of the first world, would be center right.

I think what Americans don't understand is that America before 1980 had a serious left wing which was badly injured by Reagan/Bush and then finally killed by Clinton. If you read about FDR and what he accomplished, it's almost impossible to understand what he's saying within the context of today's political climate. I mean, read this one speech - can you imagine an Obama or Clinton making that speech?

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred.

Consider that America had an out-and-out socialist candidate in the teens and twenties - Eugene Debs. The government imprisoned him, literally to prevent him speaking out against WW1, and he still got 3.4% of the vote in 1920 campaigning from in jail - including really strong support from his stronghold, Kansas.

I'm considerably older than most redditors, and I saw this change happen. What shocked me was not the change - it's that people seem to have forgotten entirely that it happened, and now believe that the Democrats are left-wing, when even Obama astutely noted that his politics in 2009 would have made him a Reagan Republican in 1981.

The left is dead in this country, all that's left are the identity politics fools and the corporatists in the Democratic Party.

Removed. Rule 10.

The mainstream media shunned Bernie during the primaries and even ran hit pieces on him. They didn't give him coverage.

Neoliberal corporatists aren't leftwing and don't represent the leftwing, at all. The Democrat party is a Wall Street corporate party masquerading as a progressive, leftwing party and it isn't, at all. Since Hillary's loss they've been riding Bernie's coattails and selectively using his popularity to attempt to revive the Demcratic party.

Progressives, socialists, communists, anarchists, and those who want either a reformed version of capitalism via social democracy or those who want real socialism. The real left actually are pro-gun ownership, for instance. The milk-toast corporate center-right neoliberals who push mainstream media talking points are NOT real leftists. These marches against the 2nd Amendment are corporate pushed marches that push the mainstream media narrative and are propaganda in order to brainwash the youth—the future—in order to give up their rights.

Anarchists.

Anarchists.

Anarchists.

Anarchists.

Anarchists.

Socialists.

Socialists.

Socialists.

Socialists.

Socialists.

Socialists.

Socialists.

Socialists.

Socialists.

Socialists.

Leftists/Socialists.

Leftist/Socialists.

Communists.

Communists.

Communists.

The real LEFT arent center right pro-capitalist neoliberals.

Historically in the US, and still outside the US, the left generally has these positions

• pro-union and pro-worker
• anti-war
• anti-privatization
• anti-banker (in the US, that includes anti-"Wall Street")
• pro-environment
• anti-nationalist
• healthcare is a right
• education should be free
• pro-reproductive rights

If you remember socialism means "Workers control the means of production" then you can't go too far wrong.

He's just pointing out that the current mainstream "left" is really neoliberal.

Noted. That comment would have come across differently without the second line.

Just more gaslighting from the propagandists and would-be manipulators.

Judge for yourself

https://youtu.be/hWLjYJ4BzvI

The problem is that 95% of the conspiracy’s in this sub are political in one way or another. So when new evidence of a conspiracy comes to light, it is promoted by many for partisan reasons and attacked by many for partisan reasons.

This thread doesn’t help.

The actual conspiracy, a pro-conservative media conglomerate is giving their local news stations literal scripts to push an agenda. The conglomerate is targeting local news stations because they are able to claim they aren’t “main stream media” because it’s just the local down-to-Earth anchors (not those hot shot cable news millionaires out of New York and Washington) all while acting as a mouth piece for a MSM multi-billion dollar media empire.

Comments that claim, “yeah, well CNN does it too” or “all MSM is garbage” or “that’s why you don’t watch TV” are meant to minimize the evidence. The fact is that millions of people get their news from local stations. It doesn’t matter if CNN does it too (which they do) or if you don’t watch TV anymore. This is a legitimate problem! It’s not partisanship that says it’s a problem, it’s common sense.

This thread seems like a dig at the people who are promoting this, please take a moment and consider if local news should or should not be scripted? If it should not, then criticize Sinclair. It’s that easy.

Would it affect your assessment of the conspiracy?

It's true, left leaning media is doing te same.

But

1: They are pushing a sitting presidents propaganda

2: The president will not always be republican or right wing

3: The hot potato at the moment is right wing media. Next time it will be left media, but lets take that battle when it hits the fan

People chose what they want to believe. My friend thinks Fox News is biased towards the right (it is) but does not believe CNN could be biased towards the left. I ask why, and he couldn’t give me an actual reason as to why CNN (as an example) wouldnt be doing the same thing.

People with whatabout all over this.

These threads always pop up whenever one 'side' is taking a beating, and yes they are annoying because they are so obviously partisan. Another story will pop up sooner or later on why the other side is bad and then we'll discuss that too.

Independent thinkers are capable of discussing both without letting their partisan blinders get in the way and getting angry that their side is taking a beating. If you even have a side you probably shouldn't be here in a sub that is ostensibly about uncovering corruption and lies by those in power. Or at least be capable of being objective when looking at the evidence, which is very rare on here due to the rampant tribalism.

Whether one side is better or worse than the other isn't a conversation worth having. It's like asking whether you'd like to eat shit for dinner or shit with a bit of sugar sprinkled on top.

We're all familiar with the false equivocation and similar tricks used by cowards to create echo chambers. You're not a fucking victim, you know exactly what you're doing and I would hope people here see that.

There is no "left" media. The left is dead.

You're operating on the false belief that Trump is somehow a friend, or that Trump is actual meaningful resistance. If Trump was any meaningful resistance, CNN and MSNBC wouldn't have spent so much effort building him up and encouraging people to join the Trump train; their "opposition" is some of the most pathetic theater I've ever seen, and that's saying a lot with how bad this culture is.

Then what is your point? No one here would claim that CNN isn't propaganda, you're pretending that people believe Sinclair media is an exception rather than the rule. I would like to think that a large part of the American population knows the news is lies, Sinclair is just keeping with that pattern.

Hell, CNN does the exact same thing Sinclair was forcing - the EXACT same thing, the false equivocation and dithering over "left" and "right" - so that the definitions of both can be become subjective for each viewer. That's bullshit. Right and Left reflect a genuine conflict between political systems, modified by the factions that emerged since the conflict begun; they aren't just arbitrary labels you can define by feels. Yet, here we have CNN justifying the feefees of Trump supporters (aka fucking morons), enabling them by calling their retarded ideology "telling it like it is", and so on. If CNN is leftist, they're doing a really shit job of leftism.

You definitely seem like someone who is paid to push this agenda. Definitely not someone trying to discuss what this thread is about.

The left and right both need to die. Not that there is a difference.

Then why are you carrying water for the Right? You know damn well what Sinclair meant by putting out that memo. If you want to keep being intellectually dishonest, then fuck you very much.

I honestly think anybody that defends either side is ignorant and I don't typically have anything to say to them. If you think any government official has your best interest in mind then I don't know what planet you are living on. I will never support any president from either side as long as I live.

hint: The presidents have all been on the same side for quite a while.

Ok! So we agree! Haha

Who's saying "the Left would never engage in this behavior?" Who's saying "the only people who engage in this behavior are on the right?" I haven't seen anyone speaking in these black & white terms you're talking about. Are you sure you're not just building strawmen?

Read any link on r/politics, or the entire thread on r/conspiracy about sinclair broadcasting. Yes, they think only the right does this stuff. No, they aren't kidding.

Pathetic

Because left wing people spoke out about this( John Oliver, John Stewart, etc) not so much right wing people, in fact some of those people are defending this.

Ah, dmatchka blyat! Ivan they've found us out! We need to head back to the Kremlin.

So...just because you're upset, you're telling people to downvote those that do not express your perspective? Me thinks you need a nap.

They sure love their whataboutism.

Why even shift the conversation back to left vs right? So unproductive and even regressive.

Propaganda for the Democratic Party isn't even to the left. If those propaganda outlets were, they would have cheated to help Bernie Sanders instead of conspiring to fuck him over.

So all the media outlets doing Dem propaganda are "right-wing" too lol

But ultimately this is a false dilemma. They're all authoritarian corporate entities and the agenda of a large media corporation will ALWAYS reflect this. This is what we should fight against, not petty partisan labels.

“the left wing media would NEVER engage in such deplorable behavior!!”

In the United States, there really isn't any "left wing media" at all. As I keep pointing out here, in the run up to the Iraq War, outside the United States the majority of newspapers ran editorials against it. In the US, only one major metropolitan daily did, the SF Gate.

To represent, say, the pro-war, pro-business, pro-surveillance, pro-Wall Street New York Times as somehow "left" is ridiculous.

Once you stop reading American media and start reading global media, you'll suddenly understand how narrow the political spectrum represented in the US media really is.

Can't tell if you're that retarded or not

The mainstream media shunned Bernie during the primaries and even ran hit pieces on him. They didn't give him coverage.

Neoliberal corporatists aren't leftwing and don't represent the leftwing, at all. The Democrat party is a Wall Street corporate party masquerading as a progressive, leftwing party and it isn't, at all. Since Hillary's loss they've been riding Bernie's coattails and selectively using his popularity to attempt to revive the Demcratic party.

He's just pointing out that the current mainstream "left" is really neoliberal.

You certainly did.

You definitely seem like someone who is paid to push this agenda. Definitely not someone trying to discuss what this thread is about.

The left and right both need to die. Not that there is a difference.

Nerf the world.

Read any link on r/politics, or the entire thread on r/conspiracy about sinclair broadcasting. Yes, they think only the right does this stuff. No, they aren't kidding.