Regarding Trump's tweet about Syria today...I would like to bring up a point of discussion I think needs to be covered right about now.

8  2018-04-08 by AIsuicide

As talk of retribution against the Syrian government is being discussed even now on media channels across the globe...

I have just one question to ask..

Why isn't Congress getting involved?

It seems to me we are now at the point where the US does one of two things.

Wait for an investigation into the latest chemical weapons attack to be done...

Or, conduct a military strike on a sovereign nation...which is an act of war.

Why isn't anyone bringing up the role that Congress should be assuming at this point?

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Because they want you to forget about Congress

Yeah...because it let's them dodge all responsibility...I say we make them sign their names on the contract.

These are the ones who get their election campaigns funded by the MIC.

Enough of this "gray area" Patriot Act bullshit. It is Congress's responsibility and legal duty to sanction a military strike on a foreign nation.

Congress sleeps until the public demands their action?

Illegal wars and tacit terrorist support

i sleep

Anti-Semitic phonecalls and boycotting apartheid

real shit

The even more important question is- why isn't Congress bringing up the role that they should play? They have given up so much responsibility that they are effectively neutering themselves as time goes on. They gave the power of the purse to the Fed, they've given the power of war to the President. I would say it's time for Congress to step up and do their fucking job, but we all know they won't, because they don't want to.

Also, I personally think Congress should be expanded, in line with the idea of the original founding fathers. Washington said no HoR Rep should have a district of greater than 30k people- well the current average district size is 700k+, because the HoR capped their membership in the 20's to preserve their power. I believe Congress should be doubled or tripled in size, to roughly 1200 Representatives- with this you could stop creating alphabet agencies to do Congress' job, and instead appoint actual fucking Congressman to run the goddamn government, instead of bureaucrats.

bradok...I can't put into words how much I respect you and the views/opinions you express on this sub.

You are a voice of well-informed reason on so many topics/issues that are discussed on this sub.

How do we force Congress to take the role of assuming their legal responsibility?

If Trump acts on his own...Congress will have grounds to impeach him, I believe. Last year's cruise missile strike definitely toed the line in regards to this. The media didn't push it...which is why it never got brought up by anyone other than Kaine and Flake.

The overall damage and lack of a large casualty rate also played a part.

But if Trump orders strikes that result in a large casualty rate or serious damage to Syrian military sites this time...I believe that Congress will move to impeach him, while at the same time, take advantage of what they will label as a "war that Trump started, but we now need to finish"...

They get what they want and once again, dodge any responsibility while doing it.

We are in dangerous waters right now imo.

I think impeachment would come down to inherently political lines. I don't know if the Reps would be willing to do it for something like this- even though it could be interpreted that way. But if the Dems win Congress in November this year, it might be a different story, though they seem to be looking to take him down for some nebulous Russian collusion (which is funny, because escalating tensions in Syria doesn't help Russia at all, but don't try and explain that to them, they'll just get pissy).

I honestly don't even have enough faith that this would piss Congress off- so far both sides have shown they're willing to escalate the war in Syria (funny how no one ever declared war, but it most definitely is one, eh?). I think the MIC has their claws sunk deep into Congress- I just don't see them impeaching him over a military strike. They might get on national TV and pretend to be upset but their donors and the intelligence agencies will talk to them behind closed doors and convince them that this is "the right course of action" as they always seem to do...

But no matter what you're right...we are in dangerous waters right now.

I think I know how they're going to do it bradok...they're going to claim that the targets were IRGC. This is why Trump listed Iran as being one of the responsible parties.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/28793495.html

Legally, Trump can conduct a notary strike on the IRGC because they have been officially designated a terrorist organization.

Sounds about right. Good catch.

Good news...I'm wrong.

The Treasury Department statement emphasized that the development did not mean that the United States has designated the IRGS as a foreign terrorist organization.

Had to go do some research into the fine print. This brings us back to forcing Congress to assume responsibility.

I read your opening sentence in Professor Farnsworths' voice :P

So then the question remains- will Congress assume that responsibility? My money is on no, but it seems like life and politics in this country has just gotten more insane since mid-2015, so anything is possible going forward lol.

That was intense just reading it

I've got another thought...Trump is demanding that Douma be opened up to humanitarian aid...

What if we have assets that are trapped in the area? And the only way to get them out is through the confusion humanitarian aid would bring?

Latest news I'm hearing is that buses are being brought into Douma in the next 48 hours to move Jaysh Al Islam.

I'm hearing they've made a deal to leave. This could be a game changer.

Apparently, Syrian forces hit them hard last night for the mortar attacks on Damascus.

I actually like this idea. The ratios of representation are ridiculous. The electoral college is also way out of wack. Less concentration of power would be a great start.

Smart man

This is one of the most rational and well spoken posts Ive seen in a while. I think I have been remiss in scaling the intent of our founding fathers. I tend to think they had no idea how big the US would get, so what they felt 30,000 meant or any other number needs to be scaled to our current population. I think you are right, we may need more, not fewer representatives.

The chances of a sensible voice aneaking thru would be greater. The voices of the average people would be multiplied and the lunatic fringe would be abated.

Great post and thanks for something to think about

If congressional power is derived from the people they represent then that power isn't theirs to delegate, transfer, or barter away.

They merely hold it "in trust" for the people and the separation of powers are clearly defined under the Constitution in order to prevent any possibility of that, which means what they've actually done is both illegal and unconstitutional.

This great, first time hearing about it. All for no more alphabet orgs.

Because Congress refused to do anything about the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists act, that gives too much authority for the president to attack anyone they deem "associated".

You've hit the nail on the head. My question is this...is the current government of Syria officially listed as a terrorist organization by the US?

We both know the answer to this question I believe.

Which is why there is no logical reason that Congress should not be assuming the role of making the decision to conduct a military strike against Syria.

TBH, I don't know what's going to happen with Syria. I'm too ignorant about it, but I do feel like something is fishy about all of this.

I think it all has to deal with going to war with Iran somehow, on behalf of Israel.

Obama went to congress after the chemical attack in 2012. iirc they didn't even take up the vote. MSM botched and moaned about the red line Obama talked about but on the the few times voted (or refused to vote) against war and military intervention was in regards to Assad and chemical weapons

Thanks. Important information.

Nazis gonna nazi

"Big price to pay" could mean many things, people are jumping to conclusions.

Jumping to conclusions? How bout Congress does something before something like this happens? Oh, wait...it's too fucking late.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/943275/Syria-airstrike-USA-explosions-Lebanon-Assad-fighter-jets-T4-Tiyas-news-latest

Yeah you're jumping to conclusions. express.co.uk is a shitty source. Why are you linking me a UK news website?

The Pentagon is denying claims by Syrian state television that the United States launched missile strikes against an airbase in western Syria.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/pentagon-denies-syrian-media-claims-us-airstrikes-syria/story?id=54329726

https://www.rt.com/news/423545-israel-planes-syria-strike/

Oh seems you were jumping to conclusions.

Talk to me after the emergency UN meeting tomorrow....what I said still stands.

A strike by Israel changes nothing regarding US constitutional law.

I think I know how they're going to do it bradok...they're going to claim that the targets were IRGC. This is why Trump listed Iran as being one of the responsible parties.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/28793495.html

Legally, Trump can conduct a notary strike on the IRGC because they have been officially designated a terrorist organization.