We distrust everyone. Everyone in this sub is paranoid as shit.

who told you to say that?

We are really individuals with completely different characteristics , unless of course "we" is a group with memos and bulletins.

Ha, diarrhea soup....

Does trump have dirty money with russians? Of course.

Is Russia trying to sow discord in the us? Of course.

Did hillary lose bc of that? No.

The investigation is a dog and pony show. Trump wont be implicated even if it was true as hes a permanent state stooge just like Clinton would have been. Mueller is owned by those that own trumps debt and who owned the clintons theyre all run by the same central bank and the same aipac

Whats the endgame in your opinion?

Keeping us distracted while they keep trying to spread central-bankism....were freedom

Does trump have dirty money with russians? Of course.

Is Russia trying to sow discord in the us? Of course.

Did hillary lose bc of that? No.

How can you say that so definitively lol? The margin for victory was very tight on election night. Russian collaboration with Trump could have swung the polls just enough to secure his victory. I could understand this argument if Trump won by 40 points or something, but that's not what happened.

Hillary lost because she's a horrible candidate. Blaming Russians is silly.

There can be many reasons she lost, but it's naive to think that Russian influence isn't one of them.

Russian was upset with US running Info-ops during its elections and Putin communicated it to US State Dept (Hillary). When Russia subsequently responded with their own info-ops in the USA the DNC loses its mind with indignation.

Legitimately interested. Do you have a source for the Russian request?

but it's naive to think that Russian influence isn't one of them.

So what's been proven so far?

She could have completely swept all 50 states and I would still be worried if a foreign nation was likely meddling in our election.

Because a bigger issue was hillary sucked. Period. And people were pissed at the dnc.

How can I say this difinitively? Because I'm actually involced in local politics both in the democratic party and in general progressive issues here in illinois.

I mean hell even this 80something year old lady who has been at nearly every party meeting since Nixon said she didn't vote for Hillary (left the potus and vpotus blank)

This type of stuff was around the country but was most crucial in swing states Obama won that trump ended up winning. Rural blue collar states.

It was Clinton. It was who she was and how open she was about it.

And people were pissed at the dnc.

I think you need to step out of your bubble. Sanders got trounced by Clinton in the primaries. Clinton was very popular with Democrats, and this revisionist history is nonsense.

Yeah I dont think so. You do realize local party's talk from all over the country right? Maybe if you got involved you'd see it. It wasn't a huge number but youre also missing all the independents that didnt vote for her. She was and always has been a shit candidate.

Did you forget about how half the seats were empty at the convention because of the walk out that occurred in protest of HRC taking the nomination?

What ? Are you spinning revisionism ? Sanders beat Hillary like a drum, but DNC used its machinery to gave Hillary the candidacy.

Sanders got trounced by Clinton in the primaries.

Because it was rigged for Hillary.

Rigged in what way? Because the DNC backed the lifelong Democrat over the guy trying to hijack the nomination? That's not rigged - that's the game.

Really not going to waste my time explaining this to "TakeDaBait". If you paid any attention or did any research you would've saw that the primaries were rigged for Hillary. Honestly Bernie might've won over Trump.

Lol saying "you need to do research" is not a good response. I'm aware of what people think happened, but imo it's greatly exaggerated. And yeah, there's a good chance Sanders would've won the general, but that's irrelevant to what happened in the DNC primaries. The primaries are a different subsection of voters.

Bingo. I frequently remind foreign coworkers that America didn’t elect Trump as much as it blocked Hillary.

That crap lie about “dodging bullets as we ran away from the helicopter in Bosnia” for instance. The “Clinton Global Cash Initiative”, the “I didn’t know it was wrong to use an unsecured private email server, for my emails about grand-kids”, or disrespect of military personnel, or bizarre cackling laugh, or Podestas the pedo-art collecting bros running the cabinet for Hillary, etc etc etc.

BCCI

Bingo, along with PROMIS, the software associated with BCCI and rumored to be the predecessor of PRISM:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jan/6/20030106-083824-4351r/

"Mr. Hamilton said FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III acknowledged to Inslaw attorney C. Boyden Gray in late 2001 that the FBI system was based on 'the Inslaw software,' a fact the bureau had vigorously denied for more than a decade. He said Mr. Mueller referred further inquiries to the Justice Department, although a requested meeting never was scheduled."

I'll wait to see what Mueller presents rather than prejudging anything.

Must assasinate his public image in case he finds something criminal. Always shoot the messenger.

Uhh you are telling me trump can’t be guilty while at the same time mueller is corrupt??

Which of my words said or implied that?

the one where you insist that he is a "messenger" and that talking about his past misdeeds "assassinate"s his current public image?

you are assuming his intentions are pure, and that its not driven to absolve other parties of responsibility.

i agree Trump is guilty of most of what hes being accused of, but they are leaving a lot of other people off the hook for their crimes also.

an investigation as thorough as this should be a uniform requirement across the board, not just when it suits factions' agendas.

the one where you insist that he is a "messenger" and that talking about his past misdeeds "assassinate"s his current public image?

He is a messenger. The head of the investigation, of truth-seeking. And focussing on his past is a way to gaslight the investigation by assasinating his public image. This is not controversial, is it? Even if the man is guilty of what people accuse him of now, it is still a way for those people to delegitimize the investigation. I don't think this is a very controversial statement, honestly.

i agree Trump is guilty of most of what hes being accused of, but they are leaving a lot of other people off the hook for their crimes also.

See, I don't agree to this. All I'm asking for, is that people co-operate with the investigation so that the truth can be found. If he's guilty, he's guilty. If he's not, he's not.

an investigation as thorough as this should be a uniform requirement across the board, not just when it suits factions' agendas.

The investigation might suit some agendas, but the crimes they are investigating are very real and serious, and that means that it is also legitimate. Trump might not be guilty of them. If this is the case, the investigation will probably linger on for some while until Trump is cleared. The more likely case is that Mueller won't find collusion, but will find financial crimes such as tax evasion, which to be honest, I also find quite a bad look for a president.

He is a messenger. The head of the investigation, of truth-seeking. And focussing on his past is a way to gaslight the investigation by assasinating his public image. This is not controversial, is it? Even if the man is guilty of what people accuse him of now, it is still a way for those people to delegitimize the investigation. I don't think this is a very controversial statement, honestly.

you are essentially ignoring his checkered history, and yet you are quite ok with assuming he is an honest investigator in this case when his past misdeeds cast doubt on that. this is not good enough, and i question your political motive because of it.

See, I don't agree to this. All I'm asking for, is that people co-operate with the investigation so that the truth can be found. If he's guilty, he's guilty. If he's not, he's not.

i disagree. he is a billionaire, and it is extremely rare that you get to be a billionaire through hard work only. i takes bribery, political manipulation, blackmail and all sorts of other dirty deeds to get to that place. Trump has skeletons in his closet, its the nature of 99% of billionaires.

justice isnt being served. Hillary shouldve been charged & convicted many times over, but she is connected, and successfully steered the FBI away from her destroying evidence and hosting illegal government correspondence on private email servers, which she destroyed. this amongst many other things she shouldve answered for.

what im saying is yes, its good that there is an investigation, but lets investigate ALL the leads, and not just Trump. Trump is being shafted from all directions, and nothing is secret in his private discussions with his appointees, something almost unprecedented. the intelligence services are falsifying evidence to discredit him, the media has been against him since day one, and this investigation (if it gets trump fired) will install Pence as PRESIDENT. if you think shit is bad now, wait till that cunt gets in.

IMO this has been set up from the start.

The investigation might suit some agendas, but the crimes they are investigating are very real and serious, and that means that it is also legitimate. Trump might not be guilty of them. If this is the case, the investigation will probably linger on for some while until Trump is cleared. The more likely case is that Mueller won't find collusion, but will find financial crimes such as tax evasion, which to be honest, I also find quite a bad look for a president.

the problem is that the investgation is being steered in a very obvious direction (ie Hillary and Uranium one went nowhere) and it seems that the evidence is being reverse investigated and very selective in who is being exposed (it was most likely Trump AND Hillary ion a partnership when it suited them)

you shouldnt get the option to expose certain rocks to see whats underneath, you have to expose them all to daylight until all are exposed. then, and only then, do you get truth. not this half arsed politically driven media trial.

This is diarrhea in text form. Dude didn't say anything close to what you're implying

Doesn't the Q crowd think Mueller is secretly on their side? I wonder how long they'll stick with that particular delusion.

How much of this crap did you post about Mueller two years ago before Trump was under investigation?

how much did you post about this deep state nobody before he was thrust into the lime light

Mueller was unknown to 99% of people before the investigation

So let’s find any little thing we can latch onto and say he is apart of the “deep state” to discredit him right? All these misdeeds were not worth uncovering until the Russian puppet is about to get dragged out of office and now let’s point to all the botched investigations. Let’s ignore the GOP doing fuck all to cover up in real time the stealing of our democracy but let’s investigate the investigator.

I used to like this subreddit when people would pull the threads of connections. Now it’s doing the bidding of Russia making sure our democracy is a joke.

If you don't want people doing this, don't do it first then get mad when the tables are turned, you'll just provoke them more. Common sense lad.

You fucking retard you

but sir, you already know they can't.

Always back to now-happening partisan antics; you try to establish a pattern of behaviors surrounding controversial events.... they reply with "...but Russia and Trump..."

BCCI alone... I bet the "person" you are replying to has never even heard about it.

“Anybody whose doesn’t like Donny is a shill”

Always back to now? Yah dipshit, I am focused on the now... I’m not trying to link Mueller to 9/11 after 17 years.

This is just sad.

You see how you have done exactly what I've described in my previous reply?

Mueller's involvement with BCCI alone should be cause for concern... not to mention the 9/11 investigation, the anthrax event, and Iran-Contra...

I lost people in Afghanistan. People I cared about. Sorry, but this is still personally relevant to me and likely still will be in another 17 years.

You're desperately blaming old events on a new enemy. He was never the focus of 'unbiased conspiracy theories' prior to investigating the president and you don't think that's suspicious?

What about the pattern of behavior for Donald's personal life or that of his campaign and the Russians?

I don't care. I have yet to see evidence regarding the trump-Russia narrative that proves more compelling than the ample amount of evidence showing collusion between various intelligence agencies, the media, and the DNC.

I could give a fuck about a particular figurehead the media happens to want us to focus our two minutes hate upon.

BCCI Iran contra 9/11 etc this is all conspiracy theory 101... you could search my comment history and find examples of me talking about those issues long before trump was president

Then your head is firmly in your ass.

Removed. Rule 10

So the director of the FBI at the time of the 9/11 attacks was unknown to conspiracy theorists who believe it was an inside job?

He wasnt on every channel of MSM every day

it's been ~26 years and he hasn't "presented anything" about BCCI yet

Luckily for all of us, I don't think this particular investigation will take that long

They said that last year, we're already 1/3rd through the year and still nothing.

Oh I think it will be a while yet. Just not 26 years :)

You should analyze what you're going to do after Trump gets bitch slapped out of office

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In an ideal world, who would you like to vote for in the next election?

I could get on board with Tulsi, too. If you don't vote, do you have any hope of 'fixing the system'? Do you encourage other people to abstain from voting? I don't see how things can get better without voting, outside of some terrible violence.

Translation = I don't care how corrupt this individual is as long as he gets the criminal that I care the most about?

I'll look at the factual evidence he presents and then decide what I think

Why with potential conflicts of interest, the potential for fabricated evidence, the potential for illegally obtained evidence, wouldn't you be more skeptical given this man's history?

Let's see what he's got. If it's shady I'll join the ranks of those calling for his head

so you will go through the PDF's of the evidence and decide for yourself? or just read what the media summarizes for you?

I read the PDFs trust be

i trust you, random internet stranger with promises.

The man has been a Republican his entire life and you genuinely believe he is going to destroy his career at the very end by fabricating evidence against a sitting Republican president because ‘muh deep state’

Congrats

You didn't read the post did you. Have a nice day with your "muh deep state" bullshit. Just another useless troll.

I'll look at the factual selectiveevidence he presents and then decide what I think

FTFY

Let's see what he's got

are you prepared to dig a bit?

We gotta few bootlickers in the sub now?

I'm sure if you disagree with his presentation you will flip your shit.

This is so predictable lol - Mueller gets closer and closer to Trump, so the hit jobs start appearing.

Muller can’t be a piece of shit corrupt crony while simultaneously trump being guilty? The mental gymnastics man, they can both be corrupt.

Mueller wasn't mentioned on this sub until he began investigating Trump. He was loved by the right wing until they realised his ethics wouldn't allow him to toe the party line like they wanted him to.

lol

you people are ridiculous

Point me to where Mueller was discussed pre-Trump...

Since Mueller isn't the main culprit behind the anthrax attack he wasn't mentioned much. But there are plenty of examples of post linking to articles that involve Mueller.

Example 1, Example 2, Example 3

Here's comment that particularity focuses on Mueller's coverup involvement (press ctrl+f and type Mueller)

Isn't it surprising that Mueller's coverups are only being talked about more frequently now that he is in the spotlight? Crazy huh! /s

What is crazy is the amount of people who have been conditioned by the left-wing media machine so much that they believe you can't focus on other corruption besides the ones they broadcast.

None of those examples put him at the forefront of the story. Why all of a sudden is he being put at the forefront of the story? Well... we all know, don't we? Partisan propaganda at its finest.

None of those examples put him at the forefront of the story.

He was never at the forefront of these scandals to begin with. He was always the supporting character that was overlooked. Now that he is in the spotlight people are more readily pointing out his reputation of covering up these conspiracies. But this considered unacceptable to you because it might make Trump look good? With that attitude you're no different than the Trump lovers.

This subreddit only put him at the forefront of the story after he started to investigate Trump.

Right, he is mentioned way more in r/conspiracy because he is talked about way more by the MSM and reddit. Does this shock you?

This subreddit is not putting him as the ring leader or the front man to these conspiracies but merely pointing out his involvement in these coverups now that he is in the lime light. It's sad it took this long for Mueller's involvement to be recognized.

The fact that you're telling me I need to CTRL+F for Mueller's name, just so I can read a comment that received no upvotes, says a lot.

Yeah it does say alot. It says how manipulated we are by the MSM to only start giving a fuck about anything that they report on. Eg. Mueller.

And yet you say that while trying to justify partisan attacks against Mueller from right-wing sources

Yes, realclearpolitics and thefederalist are right wing. But shadowproof and the orange country register are not right wing. Why are you being deceptive or are you just ignorant of the sources posted?

The Trump investigation is considered a positive thing because it shines a light on corruption. But you think it's a bad thing to shine a light on the corruption that involves those who are doing the investigating? That is some sad mental gymnastics.

There are Trumplets that attack anything that would make their dear leader look bad and there are anti-Trumplets that attack anything that could possibly make Trump look good. Please, don't be the latter (or either).

You've never seen the video of Mueller telling Congress about how dangerous Saddam was with all those chemical weapons.

Nope. Because I never saw any posts about Mueller on this subreddit before the Trump investigation.

Mueller was retired, he got pulled back in by the deep state to either ruin or control Trump. He's a "patriot" in the misguided way the Deep State people are. He'll lie (Iraq WMD) or ruin innocent people lives(Anthrax). We was so unfair during the Anthrax invesigation that one of the targets sued the FBI and won. He also fails a lot, because the deep state has problems when it comes out of the shadows and has to be bound by rule of law.

"the deep state"... You are a caricature of a caricature. You need to pull it out of your mouth, stand up, and take a step back. Look at that mangled tumbleweed of pubes, and think about how far you've let that little orange dick stab your throat

Ad Hominem, means you can't dispute my ideas and have to attack me a person. That level of attack is ridiculous anyway, this isn't middle school.

People get addicted to power, and use power to get more power, its not a novel idea. Its the norm for humanity. Mueller lied about WMD in Iraq, he did persecute innocent people. Bad cops that can't solve crimes, try to frame innocent people to cover up thier failure. Mueller should be in jail. I've been in the military and seen institutionalized corruption first hand. The people that run this country are criminals.

I'm so fucking glad to be seeing comments like yours again on this sub. I feel like I've been taking crazy pills.

Hey, you're right!

I need this account to follow me more often.

Moron, Robert Mueller wasn’t mentioned in this sub until he began investigating Trump because he was a private citizen from 2013 until he was appointed as the special counsel.

Don't you know, everyone is against Trump. The Neo-cons, the dems, the deep state, the brainwashed children protesting gun violence, the immigrants getting detained without warrants, Zionists, the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, the Bush dynasty, the Clintons, Obama, Move On, George Soros, the flying Monkeys from Wizard of Oz, I mean...wake the fuck up man!

Mueller gets closer and closer to Trump

So an investigation that went from looking into whether trump 'collided with the russians' to raiding a lawyers office for communications between him and a pornstars lawyer who claims she had an affair with trump awhile back is 'getting closer and closer'? That's some mental gymnastics there, seems to me it's getting more and more absurd.

Probably no one wants to take the time to point out obvious things like how Mueller's investigation is separate from the investigation into Michael Cohen

Mueller played no role in the stormy danials 'investigation' and the ongoing investigation in Cohen? Is that what you're saying?

Not at all

Only so far as he found something he forwarded on SDNY. At this point we dont know what that is. But if I had to guess it would be strange financial transaction. Looking for people accepting Russian money would be under his purview but if he found other shady money deals not related to Russia handing it off would be normal.

Donald, is that you?

Dude, no way. Trump uses a 6th grade vocabulary.

The Bush admin was faking and passing around false info to EVERYONE. We know they did to Congress, the press, the UN and the public at large. Why wouldnt they do the same to the FBI or the CIA?

Sounds like you tookdabait and made everything negative only be associated with your primary target.

Mueller's been getting exposed from the day he was made special prosecuter. Trump has been getting exposed also. But strangely, not for collaborating with Russia, even when under the magnifying glass.

Mueller is building a case. He isn't going to tweet his every move.

I am sure Trump is a very bad man, but this stinks to high heaven. I don't trust anyone in that swamp, there all dirty as shit. Look how Mueller botched anthrax. Scum.

Every other assessment of Mueller that I've seen says that he's highly respected as ethical and competent.

What assessments would those be?

Got any sources?

Im betting not

No, I don't keep a bibliography of everything I read.

"im talking out my ass"

Thanks for Correcting The Record! ™

I bet you don't even get paid well for this lol

I speak my mind.

so brave, man. What would the FBI do without you?

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/864998445244743684?lang=en

Before it was clear how Mueller was going to conduct his investigation. Notice how things have changed over the months.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/12/newt-gingrich-firing-robert-mueller-cohen-raid-going-after-trump

Removed. Rule 10 - shill accusation.

lol

mainly because he is untrustworthy

But I thought Clinton and Obama was under investigation by Mueller?!

But I thought Clinton and Obama were under investigation by Mueller?!

It's actually quite illuminating, to see this actually demonstrated.

watch the left post this same post as soon as mueller botches this investigation

Yeah, nearly all of the top posts are about the "motive" for why this post was made and making it about Trump instead of saying anything constructive, and being snarky as fuck. Man it was so nice and genuine for the last two days when the paid assholes who are just here to derail discussions and downvote everybody not on the payroll were away.

Top mods posting partisan propaganda in /r/conspiracy? Say it ain't so

Idiot liberals calling well known facts partisan propaganda? Sounds about right. "Whataboutism" incoming.

Nope, nobody is claiming whataboutism. We only do that when it happens, not when you incorrectly assume it.

But, please, keep ranting about liberals. You totally seem more informed than anyone who's providing elaborations, sources, and answering questions through incessant downvoting. I, for one, have personally never seen an intelligent person not start out by calling an entire group of people idiots with zero explanation.

You do understand that people under the influence of propaganda assume its all factual information, correct? They never stop to think about HOW information is being presented, or why. They just title the people who call out the glaring issues idiots. Sound like anyone you know...?

I didn't say anyone was claiming whataboutism, just that they soon would be if an argument ensued due to the leftist belief that if someone points out your hypocrisy rather than defending themselves from your attacks, all you have to do is say "whataboutism" which means you win and the argument is over.

As to why liberals are stupid, and I say this as someone whose vote for Trump was my first time voting Republican at age 31, well, what's he done that's so bad? Say some things that could be construed as racist, but weren't necessarily, say some mean things, win when it was her turn? The mental gymnastics you people go through must be exhausting, the cognitive dissonance mind boggling; coming up with reasons every good thing he does is actually bad, or failing that, someone else's doing, changing your position weekly so you never agree with him on anything... Tell me, now that he's talking about possibly negotiating us in to the TPP are you against it again? And I know I had to spend a year listening to you whine about how Russia is our greatest enemy and we should attack them, but now that we hit their ally Syria you're against it because you're worried about WW3? The best example, since you asked, is Colbert telling his audience that Comey got fired, and when they started cheering he had to make them stop and say "no, no, we're angry about this". You know, because Trump did it.

And you can argue and say I'm not the left, I'm me and you don't know what I think, and that's true, but I know who you support, and by doing so you're tacitly supporting everything "the left" does.

Mueller like J. Edgar is a bureaucrat and whats good for his career, his legacy, and the boys club before investigating. When I seen the Iraq video where he said their wmd existed in Iraq I knew he was lying. Same here.

Trump bombs Syria, a week later Mueller says Trump no longer his target. The Democrats sue to keep the sham going till November.

The Anthrax op was partly to secure photos of W sharing a manure filled coffin with another Bonesman, reportedly. An editor of alt-humor mag had the original negatives locked in the office safe. The entire building became a bio-crime scene and Feds kept staff & public outside the building for weeks.

I just assume anyone running things in Washington is in on the scheme.

Idiot liberals calling well known facts partisan propaganda? Sounds about right. "Whataboutism" incoming.

Nope, nobody is claiming whataboutism. We only do that when it happens, not when you incorrectly assume it.

But, please, keep ranting about liberals. You totally seem more informed than anyone who's providing elaborations, sources, and answering questions through incessant downvoting. I, for one, have personally never seen an intelligent person not start out by calling an entire group of people idiots with zero explanation.

You do understand that people under the influence of propaganda assume its all factual information, correct? They never stop to think about HOW information is being presented, or why. They just title the people who call out the glaring issues idiots. Sound like anyone you know...?

I don't care. I have yet to see evidence regarding the trump-Russia narrative that proves more compelling than the ample amount of evidence showing collusion between various intelligence agencies, the media, and the DNC.

I could give a fuck about a particular figurehead the media happens to want us to focus our two minutes hate upon.

BCCI Iran contra 9/11 etc this is all conspiracy theory 101... you could search my comment history and find examples of me talking about those issues long before trump was president