Even as a trump supporter I can acknowledge that it’s never a good thing for a country when one of its main adversaries is hacking the servers belonging to a major political party or one of the campaign managers email accounts and possibly weaponizing any of that information

Honestly, if there is truth out there, and it takes black hats to make it known, I don't care what country or group they come from. The truth will serve itself.

Imho this was a DNC leak by our favorite 'murica flag jammie wearing brother, but that doesn't matter. Do evil people have a right to privacy? Sure. Do we have an intrinsic right to seek out and expose evil? I think that is true too.

yes exactly. i dont give a shit if Osama Bin Laden woke up, swam out of the ocean and claimed responsibility.

They admitted they were their emails.

Lets look at em...

im more interested in trumps golden showers tape and his tax returns. told forbes in the early 80s that he was worth over 100 million but it was found he was worth around 5 million at the time. trump is a walking paradox, and above that, a liar.

*Also interested

Content is the important part.

It was a leak not a hack imho.

The only people who actually care about "who", are the partisan normies, and those who wish to keep the illusion existing. They are one in the same, tbh. Whether wittingly, or unwittingly. Hope all is well, mate. I'm about to pass out next to my main husky pup (dude, she has green eyes like me) ;p

THey focus on the hack not the content and the other guys are just too week to keep the focus in the content, democrats own all mayor news networks

You honestly dont see a problem with our biggest adversary as a country interfering with our political process? The leaked emails were nothing. Sure there was some questionable things but in reality their content was a snoozefest. All the good ones were deleted long ago.

So theres not really much benefit to the country here. Its nothing but a means to sow discourse.

What kind of point is, "All the good ones were deleted long ago"? Doing good things doesn't cancel out violating federal law. And I sincerely doubt the good and bad were on a 1:1 ratio in terms of quantity.

You missed the point of the comment and chose to zero on on one thing. You were reading to respond not reading to read. Try again

I wasn't responding to your point. I was responding one of details that made it up. Nice try trying to dodge what I said.

So what you're saying is youre trying to derail the conversation then ok

Get shit on kid. If part of the details you give ultimately makes up your point, I don't have to acknowledge the point if it's foundation is flawed. Your reasoning is garbo.

Run along

Sure thing. I'm going to point out though that if you can't take someone criticizing your views/details/points then you shouldn't be taking part in debate in the first place. Not everywhere on Reddit is a circlejerk.

Now you know. And what has been done? Trumps team uses ioncube

My point is nothing has been done. Quite the opposite. We know all this. Doesnt matter what laws she broke. Nothings happening.

Transparency is always a good thing. Unless you've got something to hide. Then you do your damnedest to change the conversation.

I've seen a few cats in here recite the same shtick I've heard for a minute now about how Russia is our top adversary and therefore to hell with what we learned in those leaks. That's where our focus should be. Bullshit. We've got much bigger things and bigger enemies than Russia to deal with.

It would be a bigger deal if we learned anything good from the leaks lol

Well we did learn that the HRC bought the DNC. We also learned that Clinton's campaign wanted Trump to get the GOP nomination, the pied piper strategy. We also learned that Obama was very much aware that Clinton was using a private server while she was SS.

Maybe it wasn't good from your perspective because they aren't good things. But to each their own.

Buying the DNC whatever

Wouldn't you want to run against trump too? Everyone that voted for him should be ashamed , it wasn't difficult to see he was going to be a shitty leader

Muh emails still?

Buying the DNC whatever

You may not care, but there was a hell of a lot of Bernie supporters who did and do give a damn. It also lifted the veil that the DNC is a private organization and can do whatever the hell it wants to, regardless of what it's members want. If you've got the cash that is.

Wouldn't you want to run against trump too?

It explains why CNN gave so much of their airtime to him. Wasn't Brazille outed for giving Clinton questions at the time hall in these leaked emails as well? Anyone who had any doubt that CNN was an arm of the DNC had that notion squelched.

Everyone that voted for him should be ashamed , it wasn't difficult to see he was going to be a shitty leader

Yeah he's been awful, right? I mean I got a tax cut, no longer have to pay a penalty for not carrying insurance that would have cost me over 10k and I totally wouldn't have used. Unemployment is at an all time low. Less people on food stamps than ever before. And the possibility of peace on the Korean peninsula. You're right. He's been TERRIBLE.

Muh emails still?

I get it. Why rehash people getting away with destroying subpoenaed evidence and unwittingly allowing a foreign country hacking into our country's most covert secrets?

Muh Russia?

Yeah he's been awful, right?

Yea he has been lol. We got a tax cut that marginally helps and will only hurt us in the long run (reagonomics amirite)

Insurance whatever fine nobody needs it until they need it, I hope you don't get sick or hurt :)

Unemployment has nothing to do with Trump or anything he's done

I don't know what the food stamp number is but fine take that victory if you really want, I would like a source of that though

Peace in Korea has nothing to do with Trump

If this is the only list you can come up with I'm sorry for you lol. The United States at a world stage is worse off with Trump since he's started, we really aren't better off because of him. Nobody knows wtf his position is on anything because he says one thing one day and then completely contradicts himself later that day. Dude is incopetent and you will be blaming the next president for bullshit they have to deal with as a result of trump lol. Congratulations for falling into that cycle

We got a tax cut that marginally helps and will only hurt us in the long run (reagonomics amirite)

A tax cut is a raise. Feel free to give yours back. I'll be saving mine for a home.

You know what we had under Reagan? Yuppies. It was a phenomena exclusive to the times. You know why they existed? People had jobs.

Insurance whatever fine nobody needs it until they need it, I hope you don't get sick or hurt :)

Shouldn't that be my choice though? It is my money. It's my credit. It's my health. Despite the fines I've been forced to pay, I was able to pay off a vehicle in under 2 years which had a ridiculous interest rate saving me many thousands, paid off an old student loan that got me nowhere, and saved an emergency fund in case I break my foot and need to be off work. I would not have been able to do those things if I'd purchased a plan.

I've been to the Dr. once since Obamacare passed. I paid cash. While it was a gamble, it was a very calculated risk and I absolutely won. Sure woulda been nice to have the $2k I've been fined over the years sitting in an IRA. But I don't believe in looking back. Only forward.

Unemployment has nothing to do with Trump or anything he's done

I'm not surprised in the slightest to hear you say this. I do wonder if you'd hold him responsible if the rates had skyrocketed. Guess we'll never know.

I don't know what the food stamp number is but fine take that victory if you really want, I would like a source of that though

Whoa, whoa, slow down there buddy, you're gonna give me whiplash!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/05/food-stamp-recipients-down-2m-under-trump-usda-figures-show.html

Peace in Korea has nothing to do with Trump

Any chance you were freaked out last summer when Trump was talking "fire and fury" with "little rocket man"? If you weren't you were most certainly in the minority among your peers.

So yet again, Trump will only get the blame, never the credit in your eyes.

You could prove me wrong about that assumption though. Name one postiive/good thing Trump has done during his term. Just one.

You're right in that no one knew what to think when he took office. But you've presumed that that was a bad thing. He was a total wildcard for foreign leaders. He'd never done this before. They'd never negotiated with someone who wasn't a career politician. That's not necessarily a bad thing. And in the case of Kim Jong Un, it may have been a very good thing.

I think most of the cats who think like you are just embarrassed that he's the president. And you may not, but those that are watching CNN and MSNBC on the daily, are getting nothing but outrage at everything he does. You're getting a lot of opinions, speculation, and gossip. The biggest complaint is that he's not presidential. Who's the arbitrator of what's presidential?

You made the comment that I would be blaming the next president for Trumps fuck ups. Did you blame Obama for his lackluster years?

I'm not caught up in any cycle my friend. I didn't vote for him. I've come around though. If he doesn't go to war in Syria, I'll more than likely vote for him in 2020. But that's several years off, who knows what could happen between then and now. I'm allowed to change my mind. But this is where I am today. Enjoy your day!

A tax cut is a raise. Feel free to give yours back. I'll be saving mine for a home.

You know what we had under Reagan? Yuppies. It was a phenomena exclusive to the times. You know why they existed? People had jobs.

You dont know what Reaganomics is do you lol

Also I chose not to mention the fact you will end up actually paying more taxes in the long run under the tax plan if you are middle class, so I'll gladly be enjoying that :)

While it was a gamble, it was a very calculated risk and I absolutely won.

I'm glad you are gambling financial ruin of yourself in terms of your health like many other americans have been. Its great to know people have to do that and are happy to do so. Just consider yourself lucky you aren't drowning in debt because something happened to you but don't act like it was a smart move.

Oh by the way, dont ever move to Illinois, we force you to pay for Car Insurance in order to legally operate a vehicle ;)

I'm not surprised in the slightest to hear you say this. I do wonder if you'd hold him responsible if the rates had skyrocketed. Guess we'll never know.

Him being in office for less than a year has literally nothing to do with him. You don't just fix the economy in a year. The rates had been going down since before Trump got into office lol. The fact you think he can instantly flip a switch and do that is hilariously misguided.

Whoa, whoa, slow down there buddy, you're gonna give me whiplash!

If you look at the data SNAP users have been going down since 2014 lol, but you can attribute that to Trump too if you want to continue to delude yourself

Here is the link to find the data yourself :) https://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap

Any chance you were freaked out last summer when Trump was talking "fire and fury" with "little rocket man"? If you weren't you were most certainly in the minority among your peers.

No, I just think he was really shit at playing politics. China has way more sway in what NK is doing, and has been meeting with Kim the past few months. There is no blame here lol he just has nothing to do with it.

You're right in that no one knew what to think when he took office. But you've presumed that that was a bad thing.

No this isn't a bad thing, its just when you take that and also all the countless signs of him being incompetent, a hypocrite, a chronic public liar straight in his own documented words, there was nothing about him appealing as a political figure lol. Guess what he has continued to prove to be? All those things I listed.

I think most of the cats who think like you are just embarrassed that he's the president. And you may not, but those that are watching CNN and MSNBC on the daily, are getting nothing but outrage at everything he does. You're getting a lot of opinions, speculation, and gossip. The biggest complaint is that he's not presidential. Who's the arbitrator of what's presidential?

You linked me a Foxnews article lol. I am embarrassed he's the president and you should be too. Dude makes the United States look like a giant laughing stock for literally no benefit to us. I can't wait for the next president that has to clean up the objective mess of an image Trump is making on a world scale.

You made the comment that I would be blaming the next president for Trumps fuck ups. Did you blame Obama for his lackluster years?

What lackluster years? The innocents being bombed? The drone program is the only high profile mistake I can point to Obama for in terms of being "lackluster" in the fact it was bad. The Republicans locking DC up in congress isn't his fault. Tea Partiers are political cancer of the past 15 years.

I'm allowed to change my mind.

I hope you do, I don't know how any sane person can look at him and think whats happening is a good job lol.

You dont know what Reaganomics is do you lol

I do. Reaganomics, trickle down economics, supply side economics whatever you want to call it. I get it. This is what the man did.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/#77f57f819ac9

And the results speak for themselves.

Also I chose not to mention the fact you will end up actually paying more taxes in the long run under the tax plan if you are middle class, so I'll gladly be enjoying that :)

How so?

Oh by the way, dont ever move to Illinois, we force you to pay for Car Insurance in order to legally operate a vehicle ;)

We have to carry liability auto insurance in the state I live in as well. You know what the difference is? I'm not the only one on the road. You're comparing apples and oranges my friend.

Him being in office for less than a year has literally nothing to do with him.

Did you catch that? lol

No, I just think he was really shit at playing politics.

What's your metric for how politics should be played?

China has way more sway in what NK is doing, and has been meeting with Kim the past few months.

Couldn't agree with you more! You know Trump has been discussing things with Xi. Remember when he got those dumbass shoplifting kids outta China? He was there wheeling and dealing my friend. I'm very aware that North Korea is basically under China and Russia's thumb. You really think after all of these years of the Kim Jong's defying the international community regarding nuclear proliferation that China suddenly had a change of heart? Look deep within yourself my friend, it is very possible that the new leader of the free world was such a wildcard that Xi and Un took him seriously and thus reversed course.

when you take that and also all the countless signs of him being incompetent

Can I get an example?

a hypocrite, a chronic public liar straight in his own documented words

Can you name me a politician who isn't a hypocrite or liar? Just one?

there was nothing about him appealing as a political figure lol. Guess what he has continued to prove to be? All those things I listed.

Those things you listed are exactly what our political leaders are. Don't kid yourself friend.

You linked me a Foxnews article lol.

It was a news link. ALL media is biased. And until there is such a thing as an unbiased source, we ALL have to get our news from such sites. You read past the spin, you look past the obvious agenda being pushed, and absorb the actual facts. And what I linked to you had the statistics that you had requested and did not refute.

I am embarrassed he's the president

I know you are. I said as much.

What lackluster years?

Are you really that unaware? I suppose you believe the economy and unemployment were W's fault, eh? Obama had 8 years in office. When the housing market crashed who got the bailouts and who lost their homes?

Tea Partiers are political cancer of the past 15 years.

I'm glad you mentioned them. Have you ever heard of Lois Lerner? How about how she used the IRS to go after Obama's political opposition?

Did you not hear about "Fast and Furious"?

Did you miss how while teamed up with SS extraordinaire herself they took out Ghadafi and now Libya is a goddamn nightmare?

What about ISIS? Remember them? The guys that popped up when Obama refused to listen to anyone and pulled troops out leaving a vacuum where Islamic fundamentalists grew to numbers unheard of and went on a very public beheading campaign? Did you know that we, the US, actually armed and funded them?

And of course there's the server incident that happened under his watch, were his SS extraordinaire opted to bypass federal dictates and set up her own server, that he knew about and lied, lied, lied about.

He was an amazing orator though. I saw him speak, I believe at the DNC convention in '04, and was blown away. I'd even told my brother, he'll be the first black president. I had no idea it would be so soon, but he had the charisma.

I hope you do, I don't know how any sane person can look at him and think whats happening is a good job lol.

And I hope you can learn how to let go of your preconceived notions and distaste for the way he talks long enough to look at what he's actually doing.

You know pulling for him doesn't make a person crazy. I live here. So do you. If he excels, we all win.

And the results speak for themselves.

That the average american is no better and statistically really hasn't gotten better since then? Unemployment isn't everything lol. Wages haven't truly increased much since then. Here is a quick. Calling it the "most successful economic experiment in world history" would get you laughed out of most economists offices https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-failures-and-successes-of-Reaganomics-If-any

How so?

http://www.businessinsider.com/will-my-taxes-go-up-or-down-under-trump-tax-reform-bill-2017-12

Enjoy those "cuts" :)

You know Trump has been discussing things with Xi. Remember when he got those dumbass shoplifting kids outta China? He was there wheeling and dealing my friend.

Where is your proof lol, you don't know that. Yes I know he "helped" get those kids out of China (oh wait no he didn't lol https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/02/ucla-shoplifting-donald-trump-liangelo-ball-china-help) The fact you willfully believe he was "wheeling and dealing" in the absence of proof is fucking hilarious.

Can you name me a politician who isn't a hypocrite or liar? Just one?

That's not a copout lol. The fucker contradicts himself hourly on his twitter and people are supposed to take him seriously? Uhm what?

And what I linked to you had the statistics that you had requested and did not refute.

I didn't refute them because they are true, but they also mean nothing in regards to trump. That shit had been going steadily since 2014 like I mentioned. Trump wassn't even on the radar at that point. You can't rattle it off while talking about accomplishments of Trump when it has nothing to do with him.

Are you really that unaware? I suppose you believe the economy and unemployment were W's fault, eh? Obama had 8 years in office. When the housing market crashed who got the bailouts and who lost their homes?

No there was a multitude of shit that lead to the subprime crisis, the Fed during W's years has a lot of blame though, there were a lot of signs they chose to ignore. Bailing out the banks was just one part of a bunch of programs the Obama Admin put together that cut the bleeding short and put us on the right track. You can find a lot of articles discussing it. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-obama-economy-robert-reed-110-biz-20170109-column.html

to look at what he's actually doing.

Which is reducing our world status and making us look like a bunch of fools. The trump administration will go down as one of the worst if it continues to way it has. It isn't that difficult to see lol, I'm sorry a tax "cut" is enough to get you on his side. I really truly am.

Shouldn't people be ashamed that they are made to choose between 2 shitty choices over and over?

Why is it so hard to push that conversation? In communities I'm a part of, alot of people acknowledge that fact but mostly revert back to simply bashing Trump.

I know I'm not ashamed for voting for Trump. I'm ashamed that I couldn't vote for Gary Johnson because the media apparatus excludes third parties from elections while pushing the mainstream, less reasonable candidates.

It's not the media's fault Gary Johnson was not elected. He is fringe too.

Should we be ashamed at bad choices? I don't know maybe, but if we want to actually elect good leaders in no world do you vote for Donald Trump. You are the reason you had to vote for Trump. Too afraid to vote for Gary.

Oh really? How dare he not know what was going on in Aleppo. Maybe the CIA should have briefed him.

And no... a vote for gary johnson or any third party in the current system is a wasted voted if the votes in fact actually matter. It shouldnt be that way though. And it wouldn't if people were given the chance to see a more reasonable choice.

Imagine a debate where Trump's being accused of being a sex offender, Hillary of being a liar and in poor health, etc etc... but then there's a third guy on stage who's saying some common sense things and isn't 70 years old and isn't bought. Maybe people would go that way. Maybe he'd have a chance.

a vote for gary johnson or any third party in the current system

The current system won't change by continuing to vote for the major parties, but I agree it's a waste. The third party candidates are usually nutters anyway so it's not like we are missing out

"nutters" compared to a meglomaniac like trump? or one of the most corrupt and hated politicians ever like Hillary? Doesn't get more nutty than that.

I would prefer Hillary over Gary yes

So for the record, you prefer a lying criminal with health issues over a healthy younger man with common sense?

Weird.

Libertarians don't have common sense

Oh also he crumbles under pressure of simple questions like name a world leader

But yes i do prefer a lying "criminal" that knows how to be a politician

Also keep in mind Trump won the primary too. It isn't like he just showed up on the ballot one day and that's the only shot you had.

Also keep in mind Trump won the primary too.

You can literally thank Hillary for that.

I only voted for Bernie in the primaries. We all know how that one turned out.

Reminder that our current president flat out asked a foreign entity to commit a crime against his political rival

Reminder that some people can’t detect sarcasm

Who? You can't just handwave his fuck ups as sarcasm or high level political strategy

No they aren't lol. Hillary at least knows how to be a politician . The shit show going on in the white house isn't what I would call good politics

Man you are something else lol, you are right case closed Trump and Hilarry are totally on the same page ..

Snore

It's because people here say a lot of dumb shit that makes me laugh :)

If you think that Hillary and Trump are still buddy buddy I feel bad for you

The more fear and evil that you can call the perpetrators out on, the more you can hide the evil that they uncovered in your emails.

If it actually mattered, they would be making a big stink of the Awan story. But they aren't. Because it doesn't fit their pre-written anti-russian narrative.

I don't like to be too negative or name call, but honestly there are so many red flags surrounding the whole thing that you'd have to be stupid to not have your eyebrows raised.

DNC via Crowdstrike provides all evidence of alleged hacks. Crowdstrike is both employed by the DNC and owned by people with a long standing grudge against russia. So it's a double conflict of interest that backs every piece of evidence put forth.

And if that's not enough, the evidence isn't even conclusive. TOR ip addresses? Jesus.. I hope they don't come and arrest me for some shit somebody use has done using the same vpn service I use. That would suck.

And of course, they included RT coverage of fracking, and third party candidates into their report suggesting a conspiracy to undermine the US. I really don't know how anybody could not be skeptical knowing those things.

Get shit on kid. If part of the details you give ultimately makes up your point, I don't have to acknowledge the point if it's foundation is flawed. Your reasoning is garbo.