Makes me think of the stuff Tesla talked about.

So could they?

Yes.

Always found the great deception stuff pretty profound when you take current events into context.

Seemed to have disdain for Einstein.

This same story gets posted with different subjects so often

This is the first time I've seen it about Einstein and tesla though, usually it's music related

Yes, tell us more about Tesla.

Not who you asked, but from what I recall, he had issues with Einstein's theory of relativity- thought it was bullshit.

Okay. I'll look into that.

Relativity is bullshit.

This is the whole reason they created the fake spinning ball in so called "outer space." If everyone knew we aren't on a wet spinning ball and "outer space" is a complete Jesuit/Masonic hoax there would be hardly any atheists, agnostics, and nihilists.

Yeah I'm used to it. Flat Earth brought me to Jesus Christ and he changed my life. The two topics nobody wants to hear about. Down-votes galore!

I for one would love to hear it

fun fact masons require you to belive in a supreme being.

I really, really enjoyed this post :)

Maybe you'll enjoy this post on heliocentrism:

http://jeranism.com/the-heliocentric-hoax-written-by-james-v-forsee/

You should also post this to r/C_S_T where longer dissertation type posts are expected and people will actually read

Great post, IMO. Lots of haters here, but in that other sub, it'll get the attention it deserves

I think you just posted it to r/conspiracy a second time.

I enjoyed your post very much. Perhaps the best one I've seen in this sub.

Give it time, r/C_S_T usually takes a full day to get some love

Man. I just got the crasiest goosebumps seeing all you brothers and sisters in Christ around here. I knew y'all lurked like I did and it is refreshing. Be Blessed

I just believe that Jesus is the resurrection and life come to him and you will never taste death.

Hello fam

Jesus was supposed to Shepard in an era of love but hi rd work was corrupted by man to continue control of the physical realm. This corruption has caused a halt to our evolution as a species and has for hundreds of years. Until humanity unites under love and peace we wont advance

Interesting post!

I didn't read the whole thing yet. But I saved it to read later tonight when I have more time. But I did read a little. Looks very interesting!

🙂

We have always lived in this beautiful hustle. It has never been any different than it is today. Its also the same thing Buddha, Jesus, and Mohammed were trying to tell people, before it got all twisted up by religon and the desire to manipulate the masses to make a buck. Good luck getting people out of their indoctrinated brainwashing. Jesus couldnt figure out why they would kill him over something that should be so obvious.

Great post.

Personal belief: God hides Itself because showing Itself would spoil "the test" (will you choose to be a good person/play on "hardmode" or be evil/play on "easy mode")?

You sound like someone who has read Julian Jaynes Origin of Consciousness...

Its his premise for the book that the hemispheres of the brain that are divided, communicated to one another "as the voice of God". That early people would actually hear God as an auditory hallucination by way of one hemisphere giving insight to the other. Fascinating read regardless of your beliefs. I always thought about how strange it was that the pineal sat between the 2; perfectly in the middle like a moderator. And also that Descartes said the pineal was the seat of the soul. Idk... Just conjecture...

Its was like yin & yang in your own head, then projected on the world you know by your own subconscious. Worth a read. Its a trip.

Also check out the Sistine chapel "pineal". Thats a wild one too. Makes me wonder...

Damn, what if circles in the yin and yang symbol represent pineal gland, and the black/white shapes are the left/right hemispheres of the brain.

That reminds me of the CIA paper I read a while back explaining the Gateway process. In short, the universe, us, our brains, are all holograms and with this Gateway device they were able to combine the two hemispheres of the brain and access a higher dimension outside of time and space, as such, the universal consciousness that they interacted with in that dimension exists in all times and places simultaneously and we come from and return to it when we die with ur memories intact, but lose free will due to the nature of our holographic brains needing time to exist in order to operate. While a part of the "All Together" as I think they called it you also have access to everyone else's memories too. Supposedly other entities exist in that dimension as well, my memory is a little hazy. It was all pretty crazy, but it ties in well with what you were talking about. Here's a link: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

Why wouldn't God be powerful enough to be heard through that though?

But why is his voice not powerful enough to get past that? Why are those things more powerful than God's voice?

Yes. Remember...we have the knowledge of good and evil (from the fruit of that tree).

It's up to us to choose what to do with that knowledge.

We have free will.

What do you mean by that?

Because there are many factors actively working against your ability to "hear" it. Addiction to technology or porn, literal poison in food and water, distractions at every turn.

If you unplug, and go explore for a bit, and actively seek out answers to the questions you ask, the truth becomes more apparent. That is not to say I have found a definitive answer, only you can do that for yourself. I can say for certain that you will come to find many ways in which you were previously making "gods voice" harder to "hear."

Creators reveal much of themselves in their creations -- which is why I (and OP) are big proponents of experiencing that. Plus, seeing the stars without light pollution is a sight to behold.

I don't think you're understanding my question.

Why is there anything powerful enough to dampen God's voice? That's saying that that thing is more powerful than God

Is the sound of a jackhammer more powerful than ocean waves crashing?

Is God only capable of speaking at low levels? If my friends and me are at a noisy restaurant and I only speak in whispers, is it fair of me to blame them for not hearing me?

Haha depends on which way he's facing, God has a tricky right ear.

But keep asking questions and looking for answers, even if it is in jest. Cheers

IDK man I really want God but the more questions I ask the further away he seems to get

Well, I like to think we are vibrational creatures. A lot of studys, brain waves, and even the use of "intuition" kind of make a strong case for this.

So we have lost our ability to align consciousness, or "vibration" with the world, or God. Religion was really about abstract explanations of trying to explain how to do this.

But the Babel Fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it?

Whats the point of the test?

Be good or be shitty. Simple.

To be or not to be.

Do or do not, there is no try.

Sounds completely stupid, you didnt answer the question, this is circular logic.

This line of thinking is nonsense. You could, without a doubt, know that God exists and still have the choice to live righteously or not.

According to the Bible, the Jews knew of God's existence and still disobeyed him. Hence, why he had them wandering for 40 years in the desert and "gave them into the hands of their enemies."

Knowing =/= forced obedience

Knowing taints the freedom of choice. Schrodinger's cat.

We have to have the freedom to choose or Gods existence and our lives are meaningless.

Excellent post, I had to recheck what sub I was in. Very well written and thought provoking. 👍

/r/shrooms and /r/dmt are phoning. Will you pick up?

Both substances are capable of producing a powerful impact on individuals, specifically in regards to the OP's stated themes (i.e. creation, deterioration, and cyclistic existence).

Specifically, with psilocybin and individual spiritual experiences, these thematic elements are omnipresent with the proper setting, and intent. I've found that while both substances illicit different experiences, in general the creation theme is a major part of an introspective experience.

Historical evidence clearly documents religions and religious worship of all types many years before the inception of your, presumably, Christian god.

By your line of reasoning, the rise of Christianity is an attempt by the powers that be to suppress or invalidate my communion with Zeus or the Douglas Fir Tree Spirit. They've perverted mass numbers of people to worship something that doesn't exist. The nihilism, materialism, and moral degradation we see are symptoms of that program.

They've perverted mass numbers of people to worship something that doesn't exist. The nihilism, materialism, and moral degradation we see are symptoms of that program.

BAM. There it is.

Rabbit hole: https://sites.google.com/site/originsofchristianity/

Take this for example: http://origins-of-christianity.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/there-is-no-longer-argument-for-jesus.html

I think the Gospel Of Thomas is one of the most important documents, that said, the name "Jesus" appears nowhere in it. The "nomina sacra" is always in place of "his" name on ALL early documents. Who invented the "nomina sacra"? Sounds Latin eh?

How can you pray TO something if you don't even know it's proper name?

The Gospel Of Thomas writer copied down the sayings of the man called "Jesus", they speak for themselves and are amazingly prescient:

(14) Jesus said to them: (1)‘If you fast, you will bring forth sin for yourselves. (2) And if you pray, you will be condemned. (3) And if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits. (4) And if you go into any land and wander from place to place, (and) if they take you in, (then) eat what they will set before you. Heal the sick among them! (5) For what goes into your mouth will not defile you. Rather, what comes out of your mouth will defile you."

Certain events and language used in the gospel line up historically with events going on in the region. The book of Thomas is missing a lot of the historical accuracy and also language used in the region. It's why it wasn't included in the Bible. There was a long reddit post about it recently in askhistorians and it was a really scientific way of looking at the Bible as a historical document and not a religious one. I wish I remembered the details more or even the link but they did a good job of showing how historically a lot of the events in the books of Mathew mark Luke and John (New Testament) line up historically and a lot of historians think that the book of Thomas is completely inaccurate or fabricated to pass as a document written around that time. There were other good reason why it doesn't hold up as well. They weren't talking about the religious elements in the book just historical. I'm not catholic or religious at all really just thought I'd add since you mentioned the book of Thomas.

Well, basically *every* document we have mentioning "Jesus" does not have the man's real name in it. Little known fact. If you don't believe me, dig into it a bit.

The name of the guy written about is camoflaged with the so-called "nomina sacra".

We have a complete original copy of the Gospel Of Thomas written in Coptic from 3-4th century.

Yes, this is a copy, but it's complete. Not a fragment of a book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library

>The contents of the codices were written in the Coptic language. The best-known of these works is probably the Gospel of Thomas, of which the Nag Hammadi codices contain the only complete text. After the discovery, scholars recognized that fragments of these sayings attributed to Jesus appeared in manuscripts discovered at Oxyrhynchus in 1898 (P. Oxy. 1), and matching quotations were recognized in other early Christian sources. Subsequently, a 1st or 2nd century date of composition circa 80 AD or earlier has been proposed for the lost Greek originals of the Gospel of Thomas. The buried manuscripts date from the 3rd and 4th centuries.

Also, notice something here. Look at "Extant Tanakh Manuscripts" chart and the NT section below it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript

Vast majority of documents come from 4th century and later. And this is for copies of the OT!

Many of the NT copies are way later. They only have tiny fragments of anything from say, the year 125 etc.

Have these literally tiny fragments been properly dated? I highly doubt it. In my mind there is doubt about ALL these writings. OT, NT, whatever.

The use of the "nomina sacra" as the name of "Jesus" in even the Coptic copy tells you something. The use of the "nomina sacra" goes back to Greece...but I believe it can be traced back to earlier use in Syria. This raises more interesting questions.

When you get right down to it, look at all the words "Jesus" supposedly spoke. Get a "red letter" copy of the NT (highlights everything "Jesus" said). Compare to the Gospel Of Thomas. I'm willing to bet not many people have done this. After all, what could be more important than what he said, right?

You will see that almost all the sayings match. The NT is like a watered down version though, like somebody wanted to take all the power out of what the man said. See for yourself.

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Personally?

If you look at Religion and Worship from the objective perspective of an intelligent being from another Galaxy then it all seems very OCD.

Put a different way from our own perspective?

If you saw a group of Zebras continually flocking to a previously wealthy drinking pond, however is now dried up, you’d think they were crazy. Expecting different results when using the same method...

I can’t prove there is or isn’t a “god.” If there is, then I bet that they have a lot of things going on in their existence.

Great post. Commenting so that I can read it properly as soon as I get a chance.

https://www.iep.utm.edu/apriori/

Using the types of knowledge discussed in the link above I think the hiding of God you describe is attributed to the obfuscation of types of knowledge and the watering down of a standard of proof.

Due to our simultaneous inability to prove and inability to disprove God. God can be hidden or replaced by other constructs.

If they worship Satan like we know they do maybe he IS real? The "elite" would know more than us about it because they have access to more knowledge like the Vatican files so its possible.

We all have our freedom to believe what we will. For me I choose Christ. I also accept others unconditionally despite any differences. There will never be peace without Christ. Romans 12:18 ...live at peace with everyone. Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

(48) Jesus says: "If two make peace with one another in one and the same house, (then) they will say to the mountain: ‘Move away,’ and it will move away."

Matthew 10:34-35 “Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword.!for I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”

Jesus telling the disciples that He came not to bring peace to the world, but a sword. Jesus’ sword was never a literal one. In fact, when Peter took up a sword to defend Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus rebuked him and told him to put away his sword, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword” (Matthew 26:52). Why then, did Jesus say, “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” What kind of sword did Jesus come to bring?

Among the names of Jesus Christ is that of Prince of Peace. Such verses as Isaiah 9:6, Luke 2:14, and John 14:27 make it clear that Jesus came to bring peace, but that peace is between the man and God. Those who reject God and the only way of salvation through Jesus (John 14:6) will find themselves perpetually at war with God. But those who come to Him in repentance will find themselves at peace with God. Because of Christ’s sacrifice, we are restored to a relationship of peace with God (Romans 5:1).

Still, it is inevitable that there will be conflict between good and evil, the Christ and the antichrist, the light and the darkness, the children of God (believers) and the children of the devil (those who refuse Christ). Conflict must arise between the two groups, and this can and does happen within a family in which some are believers and others are not. We should seek to be at peace with all men but should never forget that Jesus warned we will be hated for His sake. Because those who reject Him hate Him, they will hate His followers as well (John 15:18).

In Matthew 10:34–36, Jesus said He had come at this time not to bring peace to the earth, but a sword, a weapon which divides and severs. As a result of His visit to the earth, some children would be set against parents and a man’s enemies might be those within his own household. This is because many who choose to follow Christ are hated by their family members. This may be part of the cost of discipleship, for love of family should not be greater than love for the Lord. A true disciple must take up his cross and follow Jesus (Matthew 16:24). He must be willing to face not only family hatred, but also death, like a criminal carrying his cross to his own execution. True followers of Christ must be willing to give up, even to the point of “hating” all that is in our lives, even our own families, if we are to be worthy of Him (Matthew 10:37–39). In so doing, we find our lives in return for having given them up to Jesus Christ.

What you just wrote directly contradicts your first comment. If he meant that people were going to align against people that followed him wouldn’t it be more accurate, following the logic of your first comment, to say love the people coming against you or something like that. Rather, he says he came to set people against each other. The Bible is full of contradictions like this.

We are to bring peace between man and God not to the world, there is no peace to be found in sin if there is Truth in you then you could see. There are no contradictions in the Word of God. The only contradiction is that which lies in you and the ruler of this world. We all must choose whom we serve, to be a slave or to be free. I am not here to convince you therefore we must agree to disagree. I will pray that you will wake from your slumber and experience the peace that only One can bring. Much love and no hard feelings.

This is the most sanguine post I’ve ever read I even copied it and saved it in my notes in case your post gets lost forever. I gained so much perspective from this— This is a legit fear I have; your post forever gone! Good day.

wow an actual post!

Really valuable read, thank you.

Why does an all powerful, omnipotent, omniscient, deity need help from monkey assed humans ?

How could said monkey assed humans prevent anything that an all knowing all powerful being desires ?

Silly simuhumans if such a "God" existed why would it want anything to do with you, do you want to hang out with ants or other creatures so far beneath you ?

What could you possibly do, that millions of other humans haven't already done, that would interest or entertain such a being ?

No one is waiting to give you candy when you die, the bible is a combination fairy tale with no basis in reality and the only reason you believe in such silly shit is because it got poured into your head when you were an impressionable child.

What an un-nuanced perspective of God. There are multiple levels of knowledge held within religious texts (hint: not just the Christian Bible, he quoted Buddha) and you've failed to grasp even the most basic ones.

Go explore, it should help with the anger. And you just might find a new appreciation for the ideas being discussed.

That comment was a typical athiest/agnostic comment. I could have typed that out word for word a few years ago. Now I'm full Catholic.

Haha yeah I remember the edgy gotcha! phase.

watching you laugh at your self delusion is scary... that full catholic calling the atheist perspective un-nuanced. 10/10 troll, well done!

I'm not Catholic, and personally see the structure of the Catholic Church (along with the worship of Mary, saints, and the Pope) to be in direct conflict with teachings of Jesus in the New Testament.

I just don't feel the need to make every conversation a confrontation.

yeah but you and the catholic are both sitting here slappin eachothers backs like you two are somehow enlightened when clearly the opposite is true as you slam shut the doors of reality.

Please elaborate. How am I shutting the doors of reality?

Genuinely curious here. You appear to be so agitated in your comments -- why does somebody's personal opinion that there maybe a God election such a response?

you seeming to believe atheism is some sorta gotcha phase for edgy teens. this dismissal and subsequent jest is deliciously ironic and scary as fuck at the same time as you enable people into all sorts of crazy beliefs. like the catholic that popped in to lol at atheist edginess you high fived with.

Apologies for having scared you. I did not mean any offense, I was simply agreeing with somebody that your post sounds like something I may have written when I was younger.

It is my belief that one's understanding of this world should be constantly evolving, and that goes for religious and agnostic/atheists alike. It was amusing to see my previous beliefs posted in such a heavy-handed way.

see, there you go again with the holier than thou, im more refined/mature masturbatory bs. i 'evolved' to an atheist pov from an entirely religious family background, your idea of a soft nuance in your beliefs is so damn arrogant and delusional i have a hard time putting it into words.

i 'evolved' to an atheist pov from an entirely religious family background

Dude so did I.

Looking I back I can see how this reads as arrogant, or holier than thou. My only intent is to convey that anyone that continues to challenge their own beliefs, will have those beliefs change over time.

The point that I am trying to make, ineffectively, is that none of us have the answers. That the wisest man is often the first to say "I don't know."

Not everyone that is religious arrived there due to indoctrination.

Set your fucking ego aside, and see that I am only speaking for myself, from my experience.

In my experience, I was raised religiously. After time, and getting unsatisfactory answers to complicated questions, I railed against it. I had been lied to, my intelligence insulted, and I was offended. I was angry. With time and a little understanding, I was able to move on and gain a new appreciation for religion. Not the shallow shit I learned in church as a kid, but a relationship you can forge within yourself. Your attitude was my attitude at some point.

When I say my beliefs evolved, I merely mean that they have changed. Not that they have progressed to some higher form or understanding. In fact, I would consider it a deconstruction of my understanding -- an acceptance that I don't know a fucking thing.

It is no consequence to me what your beliefs are -- reddit is a wall for me to bounce ideas off of to try furthering my understanding. To learn from other people doing the same. To discuss and debate.

I think you're just another person trying to figure out what the point of all this shit. I think that's why you're on a conspiracy sub, because this seems to be one of the last places people with differing views come together to challenge those beliefs. I don't think I'm better than you, or holier than you, or any of that nonsense. I don't think you're condemned to an eternity of hellfire for not sharing my beliefs. I'm not confident in what my beliefs even are.

You're projecting your value system about monkeys and ants onto God when He might get a kick out of them.

The difference of how far beneath we are isn't really comprehensible so we can't really ascertain how god should think or act

god dosent need us .we need him.

He still loves us

Not all of us i think

From a human perspective it's unthinkable to love everyone. But we should (the real humans and animals at least), even if we despise their behaviour and actions.

This is my belief, I'm It's not speaking for everyone who believes in God, Christian or otherwise:

It's not about 'getting candy' (unless you're part of one of those prosperity religions like Joel Osteen and the like). It's about being reunited with the universe. Once your body gives out, you're finally free of distractions and anything that held you to earth and you go back to being part of everything. You're just 'done' and at peace.

And it's not that God needs our help, he wants it, even though he doesn't need it all. He enjoys us because he made us even though we suck a lot of the time. It's like most people enjoy being with their kids while working. You don't need help from a little kid. They mess things up more than they help, but being with them while they babble and learn and grow is a great experience.

Personally, I do like hanging out with ants (if I'm outside anyway)or anything in nature really. I feel like we have children and pets and 'lesser things' to help us understand how God can love us. I guess that doesn't work if you don't love lesser things, but I feel like it's a rare person that doesn't.

I find Terrance McKenna's and Jordon Petersons perception of God the likeliest account of the transcendental we can, currently, perceive. If God is anything like the Abrahamic faith, then on a literal interpretation, he cannot be hidden, becuase he is everywhere and has absolute power. And because this God can manifest at will, only he can conceal himself. If we're talking about the Gnostic interpretation of God, then the God we've heard from is only a shadow of the true transcendental power, called the Demiurge. The true transcendental power is not preoccupied with being known. The deist God, is either the same transcendent power, or simply operates the same, as the gnostic one. So many interpretations of God. Its disarming how often I see people on this sub subscribe to a purely Christian Protestant interpretation.

They still haven’t broken free of their chains.

I've heavily gotten downvoted in this sub before for defending sex and sexual freedom and expression like it is the "devils" playground advocating for things that are ingrained in our mind. And only recently opressed by Protestantism here in the US. I believe they were calling Europe perverts and blaming all of europes problems on their openness sexually and politically. It was ridiculous.

I don’t doubt it. People always talk about the Donald but really where a lot of these types came from was /pol/.

OP is on the right track though. We don't know what we are dealing with. Some of this is due to human obfuscation. Are some humans being manipulated into confusing the issue?

There’s really is no point to this life if not for God. He is the author of our morals, laws and reason. The Bible states plainly that the atheist does not believe due to a lack of proof but it’s because he has chosen to block the truth and go his own way. How was Abraham able to communicate with God without there being a bible written or anyone to tell him of? It’s because he sought after him. Please let Jesus enter into your heart today and reveal his majesty to you!

Do tell I’m eager to hear how God works.

Me too. God is my reason for living. My faith is the absolute one thing no one can ever take away from me. I know I came from God, and will return to God.

but then you'd have gone to god but isnt that what god wants?

Bible states plainly that the atheist does not believe due to a lack of proof but it’s because he has chosen to block the truth and go his own way.

This is incredibly ignorant. You're basically lumping anyone who has sincerely searched for God and not found anything in with those who simply aren't interested in your version of God.

And it's pretty ironic that you're also literally 1-step away from being atheist as well too.

But the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob is the I AM. There is no other. You can’t deny the God of the Bible doesn’t exist but you can choose to ignore him.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me John 10:27

You can’t deny the God of the Bible doesn’t exist but you can choose to ignore him.

Yes. Yes you can. Simply because you believe that doesn't mean it's universal truth. What you accept as fact (without much hard evidence), others dismiss because of lack of evidence.

The Bible makes a lot of claims, many of which have no proof or are just flat out wrong.

Tell me something that's wrong that's in the Bible.

Mass exodus of millions of Jews from Egypt.

PS - If you take the Bible literally, then let me know. There's plenty of low-hanging fruit there.

Low hanging fruit ay? It’s one of the most easiest to prove. Here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=249s&v=18gvJwx8VyI

How the fuck is this believable and yet if I were to say that Santa Claus is real because of fabled stories like The Polar Express and Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, and because I say he is real and you can't prove he isn't, I'd be committed to an asylum?

Beautifully written. Reminded me of this quote from Blaise Pascal:

"There is a God-shaped vacuum in every heart."

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Good, it's good. I really am one of the only people in my real-life friend-group who actively thinks about how God is handled by the modern Western society I live in...refreshing to see some critical thinking about the topic here on r/conspiracy.

Definitely a ton of useful links and avenues for thinking :) Kudos.

How am I supposed to take you seriously when you assume people that don’t believe in god, hate god? It’s a good tactic to turn other people away from your post and it worked.

Well, to me it seemed to be exactly what you’re implying. It’s the exact argument they use in Gods Not Dead.

Who do you think hates god?

are you /u/willgofurther?

Nay theist exist, also Gnostics also hate Demiurge

You forgot about Nay-theist, they exist

What's a naytheist?

Basic they believe that God exists and hate him.

Some Nay-theist are confused as Atheist

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Fuck you, Uncle Steve!

That’s uncle Steve the 12th to you bitch.

well in the Bible he makes it clear, you are either for him or against him.

So?

That's one book, written by men. I don't understand why people who profess to worship God throw out the wisdom in that book and cling to the shit about judgement.

can't discuss something objectively when the language of the discussion means different things to different people.

When one person talks about their views on god, their meaning of what "god" is often differs vastly from what another person means.

For example, when I think of god, I think of a force from which everything stems and all conscious experience arises. When another person thinks about god, they might think about a man-like entity that transcends our realm and has a vested interest in us. And a third person may be thinking of a supernatural power or spirit with some level of omnipotence and/or omniscience. etc etc

This was such a great contribution. I was going to comment much earlier but did not, mostly because as an agnostic I didn’t know how to sound supportive of the ideas without coming across condescending. This is such a great community and I’m really proud that people saw the post, and the truth in it without gravitating toward just the god/religious aspect of it. It’s ok to agree on topics if the root cause doesn’t come from the same place I guess? Not sure how to word the idea, I am exhausted and it’s so late haha.

theyre trying pretty hard .. which says a lot

no no .. theyre trying hard to "hide" god .. which says theres something to hide

Tl;Dr-

God exists and she's so pissed her afros gone straight

It's a pretty weak god that allows humans to hide him.

Nah, it's more that he don't care.

Honestly if you're an all powerful being that could create entire universes, would care about what little ant's trying to hide you ?

Well there's two really solid takes on God.

One theory I've come to entertain is that God is just the human intent to explain what consciousness is.

Another is that God does exist. Any way you look at it, we are ridiculously complex beings. It took us how long to simply develop "intelligent" design. DNA, visulization abilities, complex problem solving and abstraction. These are not things to be scoffed at, we are created. I tend to lean this myself, but I have a slightly different view.

here is another theory: could they pretend there is a god even though there is not?

why? to grab money and power from common people.

Also as a way to influence the minds of the masses through the ‘word of god’..

what if you have just fallen for their lies?

imagine this: there is no god, so people who want power invent one. and to indoctrinate other people, they know they must start from young children. so they focus on them and push this lie on them from their very childhood when they are naive and gullible. when they get older, they are already indoctrinated and rarely challenge their belief.

they know that there is no proof for their claims, so they make a unquestioning faith a virtue instead of skepticism. they forbid by law to speak badly against their invented religions, so every dissent is quelled. wouldn't that be crazy?

what if there is a god and it is the aztec god quetzalcoatl. he will torture you forever, because christians slaughtered his people. i would not risk it if i was you.

if you have studied religions, than you should know, there were roughly 4000 vengeful and jealous gods throughout history that would punish you for worshiping wrong god. if you bet on jesus you have 1/4000 chance to get reward and 3999/4000 chance to get punishment. that would seem to high risk to take.

Morality and faith aren't directly correlated. Good can be dispensed without faith and those that are entrenched in their religion can still be assholes.

Now, in my readings and in my travels I have heard, like you, about men of a superior type, possessing the keys to all our mysteries. Somehow I could not regard this as a simple allegory, this idea of an invisible humanity within visible humanity. Experience has proven, I told myself, that a man can reach truth neither directly nor alone; an intermediary must exist—still human in certain respects yet surpassing humanity in others. Somewhere on our Earth this superior humanity must exist, and it cannot be absolutely inaccessible. And so shouldn’t all my efforts be devoted to discovering it? Even if, in spite of my certainty, I were the victim of a monstrous illusion, I would have nothing to lose in making the effort, for in any case, without this hope, all life is meaningless. “But where to look? Where to begin? I had already traveled the world, stuck my nose everywhere, into all sorts of religious sects and mystical cults, but to each one it was always: maybe yes, maybe no. Why should I stake my life on this one rather than that one? You see, I had no touchstone. René Daumal, Mount Analogue

North and to the East.

Where you can find him.

God - World Hide and Seek champion, undefeated for 13 billion years

where you find him? I been looking for years.

Prayed over 100 times by now. The whole Jesus thing. Read both the Qur'an, The bible, an most of the Torah. I've done my research an homework on all monotheistic religions to date an none thus far have provided. Brought myself to the man holy places of the Lord our God an nothing. Would you mind telling me what god I should be praying to?

I should pray to the Middle Eastern man who was forced upon my native European ancestors you smoking crack?

I am not angry. I pitty those who do not look into their roots an claim that Jesus is the promised saving grace. Paganism is a much better answer specifically Asatru compared to all Judeo Christan ways of life or philosophy.

Well they hide history so..

Great work putting this post together. Very inspiring. Also, poop art? Oh my God!

On the mathematics angle, I think you'd probably be intrigued by this Indian thinker's essays. He also has a book on Godel's and Turing's work, providing a hypothesis of why math has those problems.

Here's all you need to know on the subject of God, and it takes three minutes of your life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VvbNqU_HaA

While I’ll commend you for the effort of this post, the obvious thought and time you’ve put in is more than most do in this sub. I will say I have no idea how you can be a conspiracy theorist and have absolute faith in the biggest conspiracy of all, GOD.... God was created to control the masses, to keep people in line and fearful by exploiting the one thing all animals fear.... death. We’re literally built for survival, as all animals are, and “God” pushes that survival button because it’s a way to survive after death. I think the reason it’s dying out, and by that I mean why people aren’t tripping over jesus anymore is because my generation and those under me, are more intelligent, we have more information and most importantly we don’t fear death as much because the world we live in is literal hell already so death can’t be much worse, and who gave us that hell, the jesus loving generations before us.

Excellent post. Great conversation starter for me and the Holy Spirit. We had a good laugh about that time I thought maybe I was God. Thank GOD I'm not. We'd all be screwed. xD

missylizzy, thank you for that fantastic and well written post. It meant so much actually, that it forced me to make an account just to leave a comment. Your sentiment and open discussion is what more people need to wake up to instead of being blinded by frivolous things.

As a grow older my suspicion is that this is exactly what they do. I imagine that in my teens and 20s I was super typical in that I was an atheist because of school and religious conflict. Now I understand what school IS and who starts the conflict. Once you understand it’s all orchestrated you have to ask why. Once you ask why you can start to sort through how manipulated you were. I believe I spent a good 15 years sleepwalking and accepting my place as an atheist. The wiser I get to things the more I believe in a creator

sooo.... still an atheism

are you misunderstanding buddhism? it is an atheistic religion.

you

Yup, former atheist agnostic turned Buddhist for me.

you a troll

Then why did you claim Buddhism and then say you are Christian? People can read your replies.

Turned Buddhist why? Because you dont believe in God but you do believe in the Buddhas heavily introspective teachings? Couldnt you just apply some tenets of Buddhism to your life without adhering to the religion itself? Care to expand on what went into this choice?

I am an atheist myself and its very interesting that you and the other commenter in this reply thread have gone from being atheist to some form of religious. Because the way i see it, my not believing in God(s) doesnt mean i cant pull from the ideas of religion to become a better person.

Yes, please do! I would be very interested.

Light is a manifestation of God in 3-D.

Time is the zeroth dimension, ruler of all, God of the universe.

All dimensions arise from Time.

Our brain not only keeps time, it can simulate time.

Our mind is like a huge tangled knot of time points, easily traversable.

We are God, sailing in the body of Christ.

Some minds hold more time points, or are more easily traversable. Our animal friends are lesser Gods.

Nope. "Time" is how we define the constant change that is happening in the universe.

Change is everything.

How does a light ray get from the Sun to our eye? Time.

How does an oscillation go from A to B and back to A again? Time.

How do you know if you're still alive and breathing? Time.

What is the ultimate factor in Schrodinger's Cat experiment? Time.

When you have an oscillation and you move it relative to something else, say a virtual void behind it, or even the cosmic microwave background, that oscillation in motion becomes what we call a wave. Now there are two factors of time at play, one for the oscillation and one for the relative motion. Another dimension arises, as the one dimensional particle or oscillation is now a wave consisting of two factors of time, and two dimensions. This two dimensional wave can interact with other two dimensional waves, as shown with electromagnetism (the 3D light you referred to), which is a three-dimensional phenomena. In this stage, since there are two waves and each wave has two factors of time, this electromagnetic wave has four factors of time, but as the waves synchronize into one "object" this eliminates one factor of time, and so we are left with three factors of time and three dimensions.

While Einstein was correct in his assumptions about relativity and time, what he didn't realize was that time governs all dimensions, it is not just icing on a 3D cake for making sense of gravity. It is a real dimension, and it is present in all spatial dimensions.

Just my theory anyway...

One dimension particle/oscillator becoming two dimensions:

https://faraday.physics.utoronto.ca/PVB/Harrison/Spectra/travelwave.gif

Another way of looking at this, notice the clock motion:

http://i.imgur.com/c9P9FPl.gif

As I was walking down the stairs, I met a God who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today, So how can that God go away?

Anything with the incompleteness theorem is good stuff. It it the most significant mathematical and logical discovery of the 20th century and hardly anyone knows about it... That should be your answer right there

Great post!

this morning I watched a video about the actual place of Sodom and Gommorah... fascinating that it exists, you can go there - it is all ruins in big piles of sulphur. The Holy Bible is our history.

If there is a higher power, a universal code, an energy being tying everything together, the 'god particle', the force.

Perhaps knowing how to tap the power of the universe to truely dedicating your life, through zen, through prayer, through will to decypher the miricales of your own existance as evidence for the existance of a higher source of creation, is not for everyone. Higher forms of thought, and factor analysation, perhaps ypu can attertain the reality of your being to yourself. Perhaps we are in a computor simulation, there is no proof of that either. Perhaps the source code of our reality ia sicretly there to appease us and out us onto our path, our desitiny, and each person is capable of said great destiny if he chooses to unlock the mind, and soul and be one with the universe. Math after all is the language of the universe, god is a major factor of our creation of our religious upbringings. Perhaps educating your mind and your soul can help you unlock that power.

Perhaps our realities are just our own, and there is nobody really there. All our sensors could just be in a matrix, and skynet has truely won. Perhaps god, the force, force of desity, magic exists. But to unlock it, means u lcoking the workings of the universe itself. After all, there is some sort of order to this chaos. There are moments in my past memories where i should have died. Truely moments of a fork in my road of life. And the life i had now compaired to thw one i truely want. I have attempted to have an open mind, and to a part i have been successful in having a taste of many different lives of people. The depressed, the heartbroken, the father, the brother, the freind, the richer side of town, the poorer. The monk, and the buissness mogul.

I believe, there are possibilites out there for all of us. How they hide that, is through keeping the mind locked. Through fear, through manioulation. The population have to be just dumb enough to be productive. But just smart enough to do the job. They then sell that knowledge back to us through private schooling. And even then only allowing the prestiege levels of schools of though u der higher tier of pricing. Meaning, the richer you are, the better education you got, the better you are at playing the game of life. But to the answer of god, is religion just a tool to domesticate the primal man, to amke him civilised and police himself in the fear of an idea. Or is it a reality we tell ourself because we are afriad. Afraid of failing, afraid of living their monetery systems behind and forming our own. Having sovereign human identity and not bound under control of any diety. Well thats impossible, because as we see that man needs to rule man to get shit done to unlock more of the universe to command. In the search for power. But like schoulded dogs, cant figure out how to contain the nature of man his greed and lust, to make man, do as he speaks. And perhaps we will all know. But a smart man, a lazy man, an uncontrolled man, cannot be herded to make do the will of the ruling. And anarchy doesnt produce efficient progress. We are stuck between heaven and he, and pur lives are that middle ground.

To unlock.the universe and its rules.of the game, you must have thirst to play the game, you must have the capabilities and brains to play the game, you must gain knowledge, or religions, sciences, philosophies, you must learn to control your brain, your body and soul. Know the people, and know yourself. You must fight, you must think, you must play the sum of games in our lifetimes, we must listen and learn from our elders and build up enough for our kin to make this life worth while.

The porblem is the rulers need a flock able to be controlled, true freedom cant happen when savage beasts succumn to their emotions and unable to cooperate. And as science tells us now, the normative curve of population distribution, it means we still need to be flcoked. And if you can grow ebove the flock to lead, they money cuck everyone. Communism was one good attempt at sharing that kniwl3dge, but alas we arent allowed to have a hybrid. Between the good and the bad, one that works, because there is always the idiot, the aggressor, the manipulator, the weak, the brave out there and together we the people cant seem to overcome these withought just killing each other. And untill we can learn as a species, "they" will not give us the full codex, without us as a species to be able to handle that knowledge and not tear ourselfs apart with it, we have to maintain ourself on our own. Trying to evolove ebove savagery, and not go full AI zombie mode.

Amazing post. Very well written and thought out. I absolutely believe this wave of social media technology and selfie era is about vanity and distraction. I dont k ow how much time yoube spent around younger children around 10-12 but its scary how brainwashed they are. Hell the local schools dont want God talk but show every kid from elementary to high school cnn news kids version every morning. Pure propaganda. God is real and can only be found in the quiet places sithin us when we take time to seek God. But due to how many are so wrapped up in the day to day how many actually take the time to do so?

As an Agnostic, I found this to be one of the most intriguing posts to come around here in a long time. Personally, I can't see how anyone could know absolutely if there is or is not a god.

However, Quantum Mechanics is revealing that there is something definitely going on outside of our physical realm.

Could you elaborate on what quantum mechanics has been revealing? I haven’t heard of this and would like to know more.

I fully agree.

To the OP: thank you for this post. It made me both happy to read, and sad at the same time.

I grew up in a household where my parents spoke very openly against religion, but I have always craved the existential comfort that faith and god is able to provide. As an adult, I have begun to view nature, human connections, and love as god in various forms.

Thank you for taking the time to write this.

Can you elaborate, please? From what I understand quantum mechanics still operates in the physical realm, just at immensely small scales.

Apologies...I believe I have used the wrong term. Quantum Physics would be more accurate. I'm not an expert on the subject by any stretch of the imagination. However, I have read a bit about it and watched a few videos. It's a mind bending subject.

Likewhat is being revealed? I want the sauce you can't just tease me,with thatand not even give me more to see.

I was raised in a Christian family but have been on a journey of spiritual discovery for the last 10 years or so. I've been reading books on Buddhism, Christianity and various other spirituality books including some on psilocybin and it's role in communicating with the divine and/or extra terrestrials.

My viewpoint now is that "God" is not really the bearded old man that many Christians believe him to be. I don't even think it's any sort of human form or any kind of singular entity. God is the universal intelligence that contains all of our spiritual selves that operate along side us, helping bring people and situations into our lives to learn and grow spiritually, to heal from previous traumas. Praying is helping to attract things and frequencies into your life to bring you what you need and to align yourself with other people's spiritual selves. It doesn't always work because what you're praying about my be the wrong thing. That your spiritual self has other things in mind at the moment.

I do believe that TPTB have been trying to wipe clean our knowledge and ability to connect with the divine though. Through pop culture, re-aligning priorities in life, capitalism keeping us focused on things that do not bring real joy and hurt us spiritually and emotionally. Society has been breaking apart the family and the communal willingness to help eachother out. Glamorizing divorce with television shows about it.

There is knowledge to be gained from learning about our universe and how nature works but to entirely write off any form of spirituality because of the damage that human influenced religion has done is clearly not helping us.

Just my two cents.

Hah ive been waiting for this, I full expect my comment/story to never be seen, and if it does i will most likely be downvoted, but here we go.

Hide god, hmmm truth be told I skimmed your post op, I very much envy you and any religious person, no matter what god they chose to worship. From the bits and pieces I skimmed, it would seem you are a traditional christian/catholic (all the same to me, just different interpretations of the rules).

Let me preface what im going to say by stating that, no I am not "religious" per say, but I am agnostic, as there is a higher calling within every molecule of lifeforce. Like the bible says, from the flowers, to the bees you can see "god" in everything, and I see that, but I dont believe it is a christian "god", I just see the beauty and the strength that is life. As cliched as it sounds, life will always find a way. And as carl sagan really puts it best, 1. We are a way for the universe to recognize itself and 2. The beauty of a living thing is not the atoms that go into it, but the way those atoms are put together. We are beings with souls of pure energy, of all different wavelengths. I always thought it was awfully silly from a awfully young age, that god would send you to hell or heaven to eternity, when nothing in our universe works like that, nothing is created nor destroyed, its merely transformed.

Also, this is the other problem I have with religions, is it just me or do the koran, bible, and sanskrit epics all sound eerily similar, if there is truly one god, why does every culture have its on spin on it. It would make way more sense to me that instead of these books being literal, they were copies of much older, older works, most likely from over 10000 years ago. Do we even know anything about what happened 5,000 years ago? lol, humans have a lost history, and its going to remain lost because apparently most people wouldn't be able to handle the revelation of our true origins. The more you dig into mysteries, and the history of humankinds beginnings (or lack there of really). It just seems like the bible was mistranslated over hundreds of years to help push whoever's agenda. I bet you never heard of the gospel apocrypha, it was cut out of the king james bible, I only know it exists because I have seen it with my own two eyes, in a bible published in the 1870's, in it a prophet takes a liquid and starts having visions, in one of these visions he describes what looks like flying swords dropping stars on citys and watching them burn up in a fireball. :|, I tried googling it, but not surprisingly you wont find it, anyone who really wanted to see for their-selves should be able to find a pre 1900's bible pretty easily, right? Hell even the bible today about soddom and gommorrah? Where buddy takes his family up the mountain and god sends a angel to protect them, telling them not to turn around, and then his wife and kids turn around and turn to ash, go look up the 1800's artwork for the artist's interpretation of the event. I kid you not, its a mushroom cloud with lighting bolts around it, do you get what the lightning bolts are? Most people dont, Nuclear Bombs create a huge electromagnetic build up which is released via intense lightning. And people think that our technology is new, hah were living in the new Atlantis, most people just dont realize it.

So my entire point to all this (bravo really to anyone who could read this far, well except the bots or the ones paid to), is what does being a god really mean. There has obviously been more than one god in earth's history, and I find it amusing, that the GOD, your god, would send you to hell if you dared to believe in another god, (i remember this whole religious persecution thing somewhere before yes). Does being god make you immortal, have the power over life/death, create everything from nothing, its quite a broad term yes. Do I think the illuminati are "hiding" your god, no, but they definitely worship another god, a god that if you believe the rumors is giving them information and technology, so that when your god returns, they are going to fight him instead of laying down and getting wiped out. I actually kinda believe that too, its one of the only thing that kinda makes sense, how else would you get these bloodlines to coordinate at least over the last few hundred years, I know a theme I keep hearing lately, is that no one can stop them now, everything has pretty much fallen in place, and of course it has they have been manipulating the pieces for so long now, helps when you start the empires that build countrys... (railroad, oil, guns,) heh..... what do you think it means when they say the 1% own the the 99%. :|. These familys are all about rituals and secrets, look at the shit they do in the skull and crossbones, this is what they do to the elite youth to brainwash them into fulfilling their missions, make them climb in coffins with real skeletons and kiss members of the same sex. Thats how you break someone........thats just the tip of the iceberg what they have to do to get people to go along with this crazy shit.

I really hope im crazy, maybe im a total hook line sinker of project bluebeam, but I have grown up watching the sky, and have seen to many things that cant be explained, and seen to many ruins, pictures to know we are not alone on this planet. But if I see yall getting sucked up in a beam of light and demons are flying around and shit, ill be joining ya realll quick. I try to be good, because I want too, not because Im scared of the big guy. Oh thats right but if your jewish then you want to be living in israel as thats where new jerusalem is going to land and pick up all the faithful followers of god who have been patiently waiting, some people think its gonna be a city, some people think its gonna be a cube, i do know that they did build 12 landing pads per instructed to them.

Oh you might get a kick out of this. "Since Christianity originated from Judaism, the history of Jewish places of worship and the currents of thought in ancient Judaism described above served in part as the basis for the development of the Christian conception of the New Jerusalem. Christians have always placed religious significance on Jerusalem as the site of The Crucifixion and other events central to the Christian faith.", do you see what i mean about how all these religions are just built on top of older religions, things are not as clear as one would think.

If 'they' are hiding God they are doing a truly shit job, considering 3 out of 4 people in the US believe in angels.

Also using a study on lottery winners to demonstrate that material goods don't make you happy is not a good approach. Perhaps it proves that previously relatively poor people who have a huge injection of cash into their lives, that is public, generally make bad decisions and have a shit time of it but that's all.

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But why would they want to hide God?

They want to hide God because they rule over the material realm. When souls return to God they are no longer available as slaves in this material realm. Black Iron Prison.

The pantheistic universal God can not be hidden. Instead, they manipulate the way you DEFINE God instead. It is easy to be atheist when God is turned into the Abrahamic version which is then easily dismissed. By tricking you into believing that God is defined as the false God of Abraham it is easy to divorce you from the true pantheistic definition of God.

Indeed, it's impossible to be atheist when God is defined pantheistically. That is why the "Strawman God" must be created to distort how you view and define God. The false God of Abraham is easily debunked, however, it is essential that you not allow such Strawman Gods to monopolize the way you DEFINE God. False definitions of God should not become the gold standard by which you DEFINE the word God. The pantheistic definition of God is the Gold Standard of how the word God should be defined.

Here's my question: why is this time of ours the most peaceful time in history, in the absent of God? Why was the religious past of society so cruel and horrible?

Nah, we're not. You're a fear monger like most religious people.

We have replaced god with technology and media. Celebrities are the new greek pantheon, with the gov't playing the role of zeus. Gov't replacing god is a step towards communism, socialism, whatever-ism. I dont believe in god in the christian sense, but i am absolutely in agreeance with you that policy has changed. They used to push religion on us, but now they want it eradicated. Either way though it was only as a means of control.

Just a quick question for you OP

I'm in the process of building a website meant to be a collection of wisdom and knowledge on spiritual matters. Besides the great links you posted within the article, can you point me anywhere specific around the internet you like to go to discuss these things or find information? Just trying to collect resources at this point, thank you

Written sources or videos, either would be much appreciated!

Honestly I feel like you are in the wrong subreddit right now. I and many others come here to discuss different ideas and conspiracies, not to be preached to or basically be hand waved that what you are saying is truth. There are absolutely literal contradictions in the Bible. That isn’t something we need to debate further because we clearly have a different interpretation of the word contradiction and we could spend hours spinning our wheels to no avail.

That being said I really do respect the way you have come across in terms of your view of other people. You’re right, at the end of the day we will probably just have to agree to disagree. However if you are interested in further discourse I have no problem.

My first question is why do you believe in any god to begin with.

Second, why do you believe the correct religion is Christianity.

Third, what role of any should Christianity of r any religion play in day to day life of non believers, either imposed by the government or society as a whole.

Don't confuse nihilism and absurdism. The absurd hero embraces the absurd, like Sisyphus finding joy in his eternal task of pushing a rock to the top of a mountain, only for it to fall back to the valley again.

Yeah I’d love to hear your testimony. I’m really interested in the why of you believe what you do.

No. You can never hide true nature/god/whatever you want to call it. But you can distract. Our culture is distracted with human thinking. Once this is removed we find ourselves in a very different position.

We have fossils of God's can always tell by shape of head very different than ours

Not who you asked, but from what I recall, he had issues with Einstein's theory of relativity- thought it was bullshit.

(48) Jesus says: "If two make peace with one another in one and the same house, (then) they will say to the mountain: ‘Move away,’ and it will move away."

But the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob is the I AM. There is no other. You can’t deny the God of the Bible doesn’t exist but you can choose to ignore him.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me John 10:27

Is the sound of a jackhammer more powerful than ocean waves crashing?

Where you can find him.

You can’t deny the God of the Bible doesn’t exist but you can choose to ignore him.

Yes. Yes you can. Simply because you believe that doesn't mean it's universal truth. What you accept as fact (without much hard evidence), others dismiss because of lack of evidence.

The Bible makes a lot of claims, many of which have no proof or are just flat out wrong.

IDK man I really want God but the more questions I ask the further away he seems to get

Matthew 10:34-35 “Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword.!for I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”