IDK about that but when I was younger or my car was out of commission.. I really hated walking and being late for shit.

Then your fight isn't with public transit but rather the auto manufacturers for making shit break easy or priced out of reach

Cars were actually pretty high quality prior to mass government regulations. The Government is why we can't have nice things.

Cars were actually pretty high quality prior to mass government regulations.

Everything is high quality when new. Then mass adoption sets in. Quality drops to keep s costs reasonable and to maximize profits. This always negatively affects quality and cars are no different. This is not the government's fault.

The Government is why we can't have nice things.

Yes, but you neglected to explain why. Government loves to enforce legal monopolies. If government stayed out of the economy then the economy would eventually stabilize. But the government can't resist and so it makes "Laws" to try appease everyone and ends up fucking everything up.

Where I live public transport is used to get people off the public roads and ease congestion. Either way your transport mode is going to be government funded. At least it's cheap and efficient if its run by the government. All the privatised systems I've been on have been shit.

At least it's cheap and efficient if its run by the government.

LMAO, you're not serious, are you?

No I'm not

I was referring to the one I use it's cheap and efficient for me. It's quicker than driving and cheaper than parking at work. It's not run for profit so they service all areas not just profitable routes as well.

I was referring to the one I use it's cheap and efficient for me.

It's cheap because people are paying for it with taxes, and some are more than others (ie. wealthy people who don't even use it). Furthermore, over the long run, you'll end up paying more for it, than if you only paid for it when you used it.

As for efficient, I think you really mean convenient, because nothing the government does is efficient.

It's not run for profit

If it's not run for profit, then why do you pay with taxes and when you use it? Riddle me that?

I have invited you over to check it out and the public hospital i work in the past but you won't. The offer still stands. I have tried private trains and buses and private health i prefer the public option and the freedom of choice

I have invited you over to check it out and the public hospital i work in the past but you won't.

Wat?

We were arguing about healthcare and i invited you over to prove you were wrong but you just ignored my offer. Tried to be nice but there is no pleasing some people

Bullshit, when?

It's a while back now you just carried on like i hadn't offered with blah blah blah constitution blah blah blah tax is theft shite. Perth Western Australia. The states really right wing you will fit in. Let me know when you are coming I'll show you around.

Yeah, you're lying.

I'm not. But it doesn't matter come anyway and confront your fears about people working together with tax money to make everyones life better.

I think you're mistaking me for someone else. I have no fuckin' idea where you are from, nor do I really care.

People pay for roads with taxes. People pay for the oil industry with taxes. People pay for a whole lot of other consequences of the car system as well. Pretending public transit is unique in getting taxpayer subsidies is intellectually dishonest.

You cool with theft?

Nice non sequitur. Property is theft btw.

Nice non sequitur.

Nope.

Property is theft btw.

How so?

It is a non sequitur, as you ignored my actual point. If you want to argue about public transit, do that. Don't run away and try to argue vague and generalized moral philosophy when your hypocrisy on the specific issue you raised is pointed out.

If you want to know why property is theft you should go read Proudhon, but since you won't here's a decent primer.

Regardless, I am "cool" with theft under certain circumstances.

Regardless, I am "cool" with theft under certain circumstances.

All I need to know. Glad you admit it, thief. The rest of what you said is nonsense.

Lol.

Same guy who "went to Comet Ping Pong and tried the Pizza" in another shit post...sigh. Why are you trying to bait people? Firemen and Police are collectivism too...if a city wants to publicly fund things like transit, and it passes a democratic vote, then it is within their right, as a Commune, to do that.

Ok cool. I'm an Anarcho-Syndicalist/Socialist, but that doesn't really have a bearing on your CPP post or the comments in that thread. And if a free collective of citizens (i.e. people choosing to live in a certain city) hold a vote and a majority approve of the funding mechanism, then they are totally within their Rights to have public transit. If you don't like it, you're free to move away and not pay those taxes.

What does a cpp post have to do with this thread.

Lol nice argument. Jim Crow laws were a function of democracy, so that was within the rights of the people too right?

What does a cpp post have to do with this thread.

Because posts like this reveal a lot about a person- https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8eyvpe/i_ate_at_comet_pizza_last_night/

Lol nice argument. Jim Crow laws were a function of democracy, so that was within the rights of the people too right?

OP is a Libertarian. I'm using Libertarian logic. And, while the South was indeed despicable for what they did, eventually mass action did end it, and Social injustices were set Right (to an extent). Self determination and the resistance of Blacks and Whites lead to the repeal of Jim Crow. By your standards- nothing anyone votes for means anything. You have to take the good with the bad and fight for the good.

Also- I am consistent with my beliefs. Even though what the South stood for was despicable, the Federal government forcing them to remain within the Union fundamentally altered the nature of the Republic.

No, going through people’s post history is just a lazy way of trying to win an argument. But you are clearly not trying to convince the person you were talking to, so maybe it’s just more of a virtue signal for the reddit masses than a real argument.

Jim Crow laws were eventually changed

All that shows is that democracy can be a tool for or against rights.

No, going through people’s post history is just a lazy way of trying to win an argument. But you are clearly not trying to convince the person you were talking to, so maybe it’s just more of a virtue signal for the reddit masses than a real argument.

No, it is a testament to the fact that just 10 minutes before this post was submitted, I engaged with this user in that thread. It is completely relevant.

All that shows is that democracy can be a tool for or against rights.

And it is the best tool we have. Like I said, you take the good with the bad.

So what? Why slide the thread and point it out to the rest of reddit?

So now you agree that a majority vote has nothing to do with rights? What about how this convo started when you told the other guy mass transit was a right as long as it’s voted on?

So what? Why slide the thread and point it out to the rest of reddit?

I didn't slide anything- in this thread or the other.

So now you agree that a majority vote has nothing to do with rights?

A majority vote is the best way to obtain Rights- if paired with actual Free Determination of all men and women. The system isn't perfect but it is the best way we have to self organize. The People must always have power- and if they elect Representatives, then the Representatives must be Democratically elected and Rcallable.

What about how this convo started when you told the other guy mass transit was a right as long as it’s voted on?

And that is True. If the community agrees on it, then they can have it. If you don't want it, you can leave.

lovey it or leave it

Okay Ron Kovic in the first part of the movie

Jim Crow laws were a function of democracy

Absolutely false. Jim Crow laws were only passed because democracy was suppressed by violence.

It appears you are right, that actually put me into an interesting rabbit hole of history. the more you know I will instead point to the Patriot Act which was voted for by representatives across both parties and inarguably stripped their own citizens of several rights. The point remains the same. We can see various examples of laws democratically passed that infringe on the rights of people. Gay people not being able to marry was very much a function of democracy. Only once opinion shifted in its favour did the politicians finally do the right thing. The same thing can be said for the marijuana legalization movement. And prostitution laws still step on people’s rights to this day. Or various laws about gathering rain water.

My point is democracy isn’t just a tool that frees the people. It often chains us as well

That's fair. You're absolutely right on your larger point, unfortunately, I'm just fascinated by Reconstruction and hate how simplistic the commonly understood narratives of late 1800's southern history are. It warms my heart to see I put you down that rabbit hole.

There's been a string of trolls lately pretending to be either extreme right wing idiots or extreme left wing idiots. I don't know if they are just doing it to troll, or to start trouble and get people fighting, or just to portray a certain side in the worst way possible. I'm sure this has been going on forever but I've been noticing it way more than usual in the last couple weeks.

How does this relate a conspiracy... you're just stating a political, well known opinion. It's also a pretty dumb one at that. Try driving in NYC and then get back to me.

Dude you're so dumb... There are 9,000,000 people in NYC. The infrastructure can't even compensate for the extreme minority who do drive. I used to deliver furniture in manhattan, the capitalist center of the modern world. It is a logistical impossibility. People couldn't give less of a fuck about the politics, they just need to get to work on time. At their capitalist jobs on wall street. Or Eat dinner at the capitalist restaurant they enjoy without a two hour traffic jam. Or go shopping in soho, the brand capital of the world. You get my drift... Also howabout posting an actual theory or piece of information on a conspiracy, not some stupid rant on something you have no idea what you're talking about.

That's like saying modern plumbing/sewer systems are a collectivist entity. Everything you just described about public transportation can be said about the processes that allow you to comfortably take a dump in your own home.

I don't agree with you.

You're either kidding or an idiot.

Even if you're kidding, you're an idiot. There are more interesting ways to get kicks.

So why aren't all those libertarian entrepanauer's jumping in and providing a for profit service?

Answer: They want all the rules and regulations that must be met and now law, to be licensed to provide a public service eliminated first.

All the safety regulations, the no discrimination rules, the accommodation rules and others.

Certainly these rules should be reviewed every year to see if they are effective for the goal of safe public transportation or unnecessary. (key word is public)

Whoever birthed you is a threat to the American way of life.

Its geometry. If you have large amounts of people, you need a more efficient way for them to move around than automobiles. Conservatives just hate cities and anything that makes them acknowledge that other people exist and have needs worth respecting.

That's of course leaving aside that car culture destroyed the American community, is in the process of destroying the environment, is far less healthy that public transit or people-power, and oh by the way CARS GET MUCH LARGER SUBSIDIES THAN TRANSIT DOES YOU FOOL!

At least it's cheap and efficient if its run by the government.

LMAO, you're not serious, are you?