Huge contradiction as well is their unwelcoming and hostil nature towards black Jews. Going so far as the make them infertile before kicking them out.

you can convert to judaism, ancient jews are not some "out nowhere" race of people. They were middle eastern polytheists who converted to the movement we call Judaism. According to jewish law, those who go though the conversion process, by the end are considered by the law as jewish.

Racism surely?

I don't know enough about israeli attitudes to race to say whether they believe they're all one race. But even if they are racism against black people would still apply would it not?

OK, discrimination based on skin colour is that better?

You got evidence for that?

This just says they don't have the budget to bring Ethiopian jews to Israel (bringing in Ethiopian jews was something Israel did promise to do)

It is

...they were founded by European jews

They do DNA tests nowadays to check for it lol

They're looking for Ashkenazi jews

It's a race like any other

What their origins are and what is so different is not clear to me but they look for them

Ashkenazi are coloured people, and but white people stealing culture is nothing new.

You said it multiple times in your post...

true jews moved to Ethiopia and ark of the covenant is there

Wakanda forever!

People don't want the truth, everybody wanna steal history as easy as GTA. True jews was obviously of coloured skin. Geographically it makes no sense otherwise.

Is it true they are sterilized? How do they do it?

So, is it antisemitic to state that the national product of Israel is the subversion of foreign governments?

Its a great business model.

You can say israel is a shitty country with harmful policies, but blaming a religion for the actions of a country is just.... kind of silly.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you?

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Whiner complains of harassment while harrasing people.

Unfortunately pointing out facts are now considered harassment in our modern day PC culture.

Sounds like you just hate Jews.

Pointing out what facts? "Sounds pretty Talmudic" is an opinion, not a fact. You should try to parrot the rhetoric of Paul Nehlen and 4chan less and do more of your own thinking.

Using words like "talmudic" and "pilpul" when you clearly have a very poor understanding of their meaning just makes you look stupid.

What if I told you that you can literally learn about these things on your own?

lmao

Why would anyone help someone who treats people this way? You really think a Jew would want to educate you given how you approach the subject matter and the things you have said about them? It is your responsibility to educate yourself, not mine.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilpul

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy

My mistake for giving you the benefit of the doubt and trying to be helpful. It's clear now that you're not interested in learning anything. You're just trolling. Fool me once, shame on me.

It's neutral. You're projecting. You think Jews hate non-Jews as much as you hate Jews.

You call them parasites and say that they are responsible for genocide committed against them.

Keep to yourself and the pogroms will stop... you are a parasite that latches on to a civilization and exploits it's people through usury... The parasitic nature of your race is your downfall.

Is usury unique to Jews? Do non-Jews engage in usury? Is it possible that your real gripe is with usury and not Jews? Have you ever asked yourself these questions?

Can you explain what it is you mean by that? Can you also maybe answer any one of the several questions I asked you in the comment above?

So you're not upset about the usury itself, you're just mad that Jews are better at it?

Do you actually believe that?

I wouldn't know, I wasn't there.

You're gonna flip when you find out who wrote the Old Testament.

You're so close to understanding that your enemy is capital. It's not the Jews, my dude. It's the ruling class.

That's not what I said. It sounds like you're critical of capital, but your critique is irrationally racialized.

it's funny that you make this account because you're obsessed with hating peterson who would pretty much agree with everything you've written in this thread

Peterson's raison d'être is his belief in "cultural marxism," a pervasive socialist, postmodernist conspiracy to undermine and ultimately destroy western civilization, which he copied from antisemitic propaganda first conceived by the nazis to attack the arts and humanities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism

Lol?

Nice argument. You have not even attempted to refute the fact that "cultural bolshevism" was created by the nazis to attack free speech and expression they deemed subversive to their totalitarianism. You are still welcome to try, though. I invite you to try. I believe in you.

You are welcome to ignore the evidence provided, but your claim that it was not provided is demonstrably false to anyone who can read and click a hyperlink.

I would invite you (again) to refute the evidence that was provided to you in the wikipedia link above.

I am sorry that your intellectual laziness and pathological lack of curiosity is preventing you from examining the evidence that was willingly presented to you.

All that being said, if you are intellectually incapable of refuting the factual claims that have been presented to you, I am willing to forgive your mental insufficiency.

So you’re unable to respond to the claims laid out in the wikipedia article? Rather than attack the claims made, you have chosen to employ a logical fallacy and attack the source of the claims. I see no reason why I should waste my time in indulging you when you have irrationally refused to even acknowledge much less refute my claim.

For your sake, I sincerely hope that you become more educated, knowledgeable and wise, and that you eventually outgrow this intellectually lazy ethnic scapegoating. The world is a complicated place, and there are no easy answers in life. You must learn this. This will be my last reply.

Lady's choice. I invite you to attempt to refute whichever claim you prefer.

Let the record show that you were repeatedly invited to disprove the fact that "cultural marxism" was born from Nazi propaganda and that you repeatedly refused. You have forfeited. There's no shame in that. I am still proud of you for almost trying.

Genius doesn't even know what "bolshevism" means.

What is "sealioning?"

What is "sealioning?"

Go ahead and do your sealioning routine of asking me what "bolshevism" means.

What is "sealioning?"

What is "sealioning?"

nice conspiracy theory. peterson is a kike shill who intentionally takes would-be white nationalists and steers them to alt lite and mainstream conservatism

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nice conspiracy theory. jordan "most of my friends are jewish" peterson is a jew-shill who intentionally takes would-be white nationalists and steers them to alt lite and mainstream conservatism

Citing what the dude actually says is a conspiracy theory? lol Okay, Einstein.

you're not though, you just compared something he said t something that's vaguely similar

Per Wikipedia harassment is "...behavior that disturbs or upsets, and it is characteristically repetitive."

If say your post history fits. Find the contradiction, find the liar.

Apparently you have a hard time understanding much; you keep using a verb as an adjective, and it makes no sense.

He’s not brigading anyone and you and your sub do all the time

"The only people with a plan for the human race are the Zionists."

I think the actual quote uses Jew for Zionist but I'll refine it to a more correct word.

Sure seems like you want to blame all Jews for the actions of Israel.

Jews are not a race. There are different ethnic groups that are historically Jewish (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, etc.), but "Jewish" is no more a race than "Lutheran" is.

This new alt-right track of using historical antisemitism to justify modern antisemitism is some 1984-level "we've always been at war with east Asia" bullshit.

Keep to yourself and the pogroms will stop.

Top. Minds.

Because that's what the word means? "Non-jewish". Says nothing about race whatsoever

No. It doesn't. Goy is the hebrew word for nation or people. Goyim is the plural of that. It's a colloquial word that is used to refer to groups of people that are not jewish

It's slang. You're trying to argue it as if it were a literal definition.

The use of the word "goy" to mean non-Jew. It doesn't actually mean that. You have the knowledge of the entire world at your fingertips and you choose to not look up basic linguistic facts before making bullshit claims.

It means "nation". One of the most well known recorded uses is on the song lyric "Lo yisa goy el goy cherev, yo yilmedu od milchamah" or "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, nor shall they learn war anymore".

By literal definition, yes. It's even used in Genesis that way, followed by the terms "gadol" (big/great) and "kadosh" (holy). The actual definition of the word doesn't refer to any specific group of people. But sometime more than a couple thousand years ago, it became a slang way to refer to gentiles, and just kinda stuck.

Because the word literally just means "nation" (or rather, a group of people in a civilization, not so much the way the word is used today to refer to a landmass with defined borders), there is no distinction. Even when using it as a slang term to mean non-Jew, it's not as if we have some belief that we're in any way physically superior.

Actually, a single "goy". But yes. Now, I'd love to keep talking in circles, but my shift starts in eight minutes.

how thick are you? Holy shit dude.

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thats a valid guestion. lol he keeps talking in circles

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It's often construed as pejorative, but it's really not meant to be. Of course, it got co-opted by antisemites who think they're funny (but also don't understand Hebrew pluralization) in recent years.

Are you high?

Fair enough.

Colloquial usage

Because people have been slaughtering and castigating them for thousands of years, so they have developed an "us and them" mentality? Because people hundreds of years ago started using the word that way and it stuck? Because that's how language works?

Who knows? And why do you care so much?

Isreal

That's the name of the only nation on the planet that is majority jewish

Did you miss the "colloquial" part of what I said above? Goyim literally means "peoples" or "nations". It is used colloquially for non-Jewish peoples or nations because that's just what it's used for.

Correct

Yes. However, like with anything, I'm sure that some groups use it derogatorily. Kind of like how many people in /r/conspiracy use the word jew derogatorily

Literally any descriptive word can be used derogatorily in the right context. You can use "jew" derogatorily, you can use "man" derogatorily, you can use "woman" derogatorily, you can use "art major" derogatorily. That doesn't mean those words are derogatory in nature. How is that not obvious to you?

You can literally say the same thing about jew, muslim, christian, gay, straight, man, woman, black, white, etc.

What...is....your...point?

Not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying goyim is always used derogatorily? Because that's just false.

So "can be" and "sometimes" are the same thing as "always" to you?

So what's your point?

You are trying to force the conversation to support your belief instead of listening.

They are called goy too in that actual Jewish scriptures

 In Exodus 19:6, the Jewish people are referred to as a goy kadosh, a "holy nation".

One of the more poetic descriptions of the chosen people in the Hebrew Bible, and popular among Jewish scholarship, as the highest description of themselves: when God proclaims in the holy writ, goy ehad b'aretz, or "a unique nation upon the earth!" (2 Samuel 7:23 and 1 Chronicles 17:21).

Now this is different from the modern usage of the term Goy or Goyim only on application, not meaning.

But other religious groups have a word for their world wide religious communities too. Famously Muslim call this the Ummah.

That's not what you asked. You asked what is the word for the Jewish nation. They still use goy. Goy is a neutral term that you can add positives or negatives to. Like the famous "Righteous among Nations" title that is given to those non Jews who helped Jews during the Holocaust.

As far as I'm aware Amalek means dweller of the valley. So neutral. And as far as I know there is not set modifier for any nation besides the nation's name.

Because all language works on multiple levels of meaning.... Like just go look at a dictionary for English, many words have more than one definition. Hell go look at urban dictionary and see how slang words has a huge amount of definitions. This isn't a conspiracy its basic language skills.

It was the proto Hebrew name for their neighbors the Amalekites who lives in the valleys near the proto Jewish people.

According to the Hebrew scriptures because they kept attacking the Hebrews in the area. Most historians such they were nearby nomadic raiders that regularly harrased the settled peoples around them like the Hebrews.

I can't speak for a historical group that's over two thousand years dead, but they certainly fought "wars" with them.

OK I see where you are going with this. Amalekites became a term for a people who harass and attack Jews but by the strength of God, the Jewish people would be able to overcome. You're confusing religious slang for like a serious religious meaning and belief. Heres a non Jewish example. The British regularly called the Germans the Huns in WWI, that's doesn't mean the British people actually thought they were Huns, just that they were violent warriors (The Rape of Belgium solidified this) for the purposes of increasing support.

More prevelant where? In biblical studies, the scholarly, in actual Jewish slang, neither are common at all, in talking about the Holocaust, the slang. In talking about the threat perceived from the Israeli Arab neighbors, the slang. Theological discourse? Scholarly.

It's a mixed bag like all language and slang uses

What a Amalekite is? Probably wouldn't know honestly. But properly the biblical description. Slang tend not to get asked for definitions in general though. Like if someone came up to you and asked what's a Cherry? You'd say the red fruit thing in Pac-Man, not a woman s virginity, which is the slang definition.

Way to ignore the rest of that statement

Why? You ignored what I said

In a very leading way that completely ignored the context of the statement

No. It's not. Because you completely ignored the first part of the statement where I clarified what I meant

Yeah, that's exactly what you did. Thanks for realizing that

You still didn't answer his questions about "us and them"? Can you clarify this instead of changing the subject?

Not sure what clarification is needed. If you read the whole sentence it seems pretty obvious to me

Do you have some examples? Talk about victim complex

Sure it is. You're a lunatic

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God, the seriotypicsl victim complex is true....

The irony of this statement is staggering. All you're saying is "Boo-Hoo", now you want to say everyone else is playing the victim.

He's too stupid to know what "colloquial" means, mate.

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Yeah, that's me. You got me

This is my favorite. You're so deluded that you cannot fathom how people would find you ridiculous unless they were shills/JIDF.

News flash: those are just people who think you're a fucking moron. It only seems like a concerted effort because the majority of people think you're a fucking moron.

This is most likely due to the fact that you're a fucking moron.

lmao... dude... on the contrary, I think you're the one missing the joke. Because "JIDF Agents" flair up before shitposting.

And yeah it's totally not because they're making fun of the constant accusations they get from reactionary shitheads.

Oh sick burn bruh, tell me again how... normal, healthy and well-adjusted I am...? ..... Thanks?

In any case, back to the point. I believe you were explaining why all the regular people with non-fucktarded views are shills and government agents.

Also great how you immediately scour my post history to find evidence of... something... and all you came up with was "enjoys a cartoon show". Oh yeah you're really hurting my feelings by pointing out... a thing... that I like...

Did you have any actual defense of your dumbfuck ideas or are you just lashing out in desperation because you know how stupid you look?

I made no reference to any cartoons. That was you, in case you forgot.

Still waiting on your well-reasoned argument for "people who think my extremism is ridiculous are government agents"

When you called the person JIDF because they post on TMOR. This accurately describes your reasoning.

I'm not missing anything at all. You seem to think that flair on TMOR is indicative of actual shilling, which is hilarious, because the flairs on TMOR exist to make fun of people like you, who constantly accuse them of shilling. It's like an infinite recursion of stupidity.

Sweet degenerate cartoon reference. Also I don't believe you.

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Honest question, and I genuinely mean this to be constructive. I get that you guys deal with a fuckton of wonky bullshit on this sub. But what purpose does it serve to allow a blatantly anti-semitic post like this one, but then remove comments which call this view "fucktarded"? If my language is abusive in my comment, then why is his whole hateful screed allowed to remain?

I actually brought this thread up with the mods and it was decided that it doesn't break any rules. If you have further concerns, please message the mods. Thanks!

Thank you for responding. I understand you guys have to walk a fine line, I appreciate that it is at least a topic of discussion.

what an awfully deluded person.... this is truly pathetic

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how is this not delusion?

No, the people who distort facts to support an anti-semitic narrative are, though.

Jews getting kicked out of countries is... well, a history of anti-semitism. People have a tendency to look for scapegoats for their problems. The fact that other people have done it to jews in the past makes it easier to do it to them in the present, using exactly the same reasoning you're using. Rinse and repeat.

Jews getting kicked out of countries is... well, a history of anti-semitism. People have a tendency to look for scapegoats for their problems. The fact that other people have done it to jews in the past makes it easier to do it to them in the present, using exactly the same reasoning you're using. Rinse and repeat.

Yes, because it answered your question before you even asked it. I mean, I'd be happy to provide a full-length dissertation on in-group/out-group bias through throughout the history of civilization, if I thought you would actually read it.

Everybody's waiting on you, champ.

Yes, I did. But OK, you don't get it, so I'll go into more detail. This is a byproduct of in-group/out-group bias. Ethnic cleansing and exclusion has been a "thing" since always because of this, and because it's easier for people to blame scapegoats than it is to take responsibility for their own problems.

The Jews are an easy target mostly because the Jewish diaspora is far reaching. By the time we reach "now", Jews are an even easier target because this history has already been established and repeated several times. So now, when weak-minded fucksticks want to blame someone else for their problems, they can latch on to the same propaganda that the last dozen rounds of weak-minded fucksticks latched onto.

Anti-Semitism is just in-group/out-group bias writ large, repeated enough times that it's become perversely "traditional". By subscribing to it, you're asserting your own inability to overcome the basest instincts of primitive humans, which have long since outlived their usefulness. Which is hilariously ironic, because it means that those who are convinced by the whole "master race" schtick are, demonstrably, the least evolved among us.

Nope, I'm not going to let you get away with that straw-man argument. It's not "nothing but in-group/out-group", though that is an important aspect. It's an entire paradigm of socio-cultural history which is far more complicated. Even the answer I gave is overly simplified.

And no, "assimilation" is not the problem. The problem of anti-Semitism is anti-Semites.

There are many causes. In-group/out-group bias is a major cause. People offloading their insecurities is another., but these are both common to all forms of ethnic hatred. In European history, the role of Jews in the Christian mythos is another contributing factor.

It's complicated. There are other factors, too - but none of these have anything to do with Jews, or any other ethnic group, being inherently nefarious. Happy to explain more if you're genuinely curious.

Irrational.

Just FYI, I'm suspicious of where you're going with this. If you are actually trying to have an honest discussion about this, I apologize, but I don't think you are.

I object to being forced into your framing of the issue - which is exactly what you're doing, by asking a series of leading yes/no questions which allow no room for nuance. Reality has nuance. Stripping the discussion of details is a tactic that fascists use to boil the world down to a set of easily repeatable slogans. It works great for recruiting new "soldiers", in both the literal and metaphorical sense, but it's bad way to try to understand... well, anything at all.

So with that being said, I'll bite, partially because I'm curious to what your answer will be.

Yes. Every time.

No, it is not anti-semitic to think things like this are "bad"

Is hating the people who displaced a local population anti Semitic?

Not necessarily - depends on how the boundary of "the people" in this context is defined. I also think "hatred" might not be warranted.

Or are the people affected by this event justified in their criticism of the actions of the Jewish population of Rampo?

I don't think these two are mutually exclusive. Criticism is not the same as hatred, for one. Criticism of the actions of a group should not automatically transfer to an individual who is a member of the group, unless that member participated in the questionable action. Active endorsement of an action can also be criticized, but should be criticized differently than participation in the action itself. Passive endorsement (tacit approval) can also be criticized, but should be criticized differently still from active endorsement.

Because a lot of people who have brought up this event have been labeled anti Semitic

Some of them probably were anti-semitic. This is a thing that anti-semites like to talk about, but that doesn't mean talking about it makes someone an anti-semite. It's also not uncommon for people to get this wrong, and assume hateful intent when there is none.

Humans have this hyper-active agency-detection mechanism hard-wired into our consciousness, which used to be very useful, but now it's a big pain in the ass.

The short version is this: Waaaaay way back when we were all shitting into our cupped hands, killing critters with spears, etc, the world was super-motherfucking dangerous.

Imagine a person is out hunting, alone, and he hears a soft snap of a twig behind him.

9 times out of 10, it's just the wind, so he ignores it. But that one time, it's not.... he's lunch.

On the other hand, those who heard a twig snap, and think HOLY SHIT ITS A FUCKING LION/TIGER/CANNIBAL, and immediately turn around - they're the ones who survived, and they're the ones whose genes we carry.

We're hard-wired to believe that somebody is in control... God did this, demons did that, jews did this, SJW's did that, Obama did this, Trump did that, and so on and so on and so on...

Meanwhile, in reality, every single one of the people or groups that we "blame" is a frightened, psychotic ape, just like the me and you and everybody else. Sure, there are varying degrees of this. Some of us have our shit together more than others... but the differences aren't that big, and the world is only as chaotic as it's always, always been.

The people who did this did a wrong thing... but things like this happen in every race, culture, and creed. They happen because we're humans, we tie our identities to beliefs that were given to us in the womb, and we keep them because they are comforting, not because they are rational, and we're kinda hard-wired to accept things without really thinking about it.

And it's fine to fault people for that, and criticize their actions. But hate? Meh. Over-rated.

I hope that's clear and not too long-winded.

So long as the criticism is restricted to the individuals responsible, then no, absolutely not.

I apologize if I was not clear. When I said "individuals", I did mean to imply the group which consists of those individuals.

Of course, this doesn't mean "all jews", collective responsibility ends well before this point. Those who were more active in the group decision making are more culpable than those who were passive, and those who had no idea any of this was happening aren't really culpable at all.

I'm happy to be of service... also, honestly impressed by your patience and openness. I apologize for my suspicions, thank you for proving me wrong.

If you have any other questions, or if there's anything else you'd like to talk about, please consider my "door" (inbox) open.

I understand. It can be a real minefield, and it can be frustrating to sift through all the "noise" to find a good "signal" - but if you're patient, methodical, and open-minded like you were with me, you'll get good answers eventually. Don't stop asking :)

As a general rule, there is no single cause for anything, in any topic except for pure mathematics, and maaaaayyyybe some physics.

you are terrible at reading comprehension. do you read at a 2nd grade level or are you just pretending?

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thats not an attack he really does suck at reading

yeah yeah how fucking predictable

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how is this in any way an attack? Y'all are downy soft lmao

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If Christian is not a race why are non-christians called Pagans?

Holy hell mate, step up your thinking game.

Why even bother arguing with them? No matter what you said won't change their view so just stop.

Yeah but unfortunately this post has been buried into oblivion so it won't reach many people.

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LMAO delusion

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how is that not the rambling of a crazy person? God gives them strength to shit post about Jews? come on lol

Dying for your beliefs is probably the best thing you could do for humanity.

What's a threat?

I'm sorry, but you have refused to provide a definition of what a "threat" is, so it's impossible for me to definitively say whether it would qualify as a "threat."

What is a "conspiracy?"

What does "subvert" mean?

Under your what?

What is a Jericho?

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No abusive/threatening language.

How was my comment abusive or threatening?

I missed the rule 10. Thanks for calling me back to review.

I'll grant you that, but you and I both know that my comment does not violate rule 4.

If you disagree, please feel free to message the modteam for review.

No need, just wanted to correct you publicly.

If you didn't mean to tell that user that humanity would be better off if he were dead, maybe you could explain it to me more clearly- because that is what you said and that breaks Rule 4.

Amazing that you find that objectionable while permitting your subreddit to serve as an incubator for antisemitic eliminationist rhetoric to fester in. Breathtaking.

I originally had concerns about this post, to be honest, but after discussing it with other mods, we determined that, while provocative and possibly uncomfortable, it doesn't break site or sub rules and we are not here to censor ideas or discussion. Your comment clearly broke rules 4 and ten, and possibly sitewide rules as well.

Did they misspell? That's the only reasons I delete, lol.

"community" lmao

Lol. Nazi idiot

hey look a u/C_(Y)_S_T mod in the wild!

good luck out there - have a good one!

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I'm not Christian, does that make me a Pagan?

Jews are not a race?

Jewish scientists disagree.

Things you hear: “He’s a Jewy looking guy.” “She’s cute but she has a Jew nose.”

Things you never hear: “He looks Lutheran.”

You're referring to Ashkenazis, which are an ethnicity. The articles you linked even say so.

new ruling in Jewish law permitting a specific genetic test to be used as proof of Jewish descent for certain Ashkenazi Jews...

Do you know what a Sephardic Jew looks like? An Ethiopian Jew? A Mizrahi Jew?

Here you go.

Lazy guys wants everything handed to him. Can't work for his own benefit.

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lol you can't simply Google it? You really haven't researched your "pattern recognition" much if you can't even articulate what you mean by "race."

While race and ethnicity share an ideology of common ancestry, they differ in several ways. First of all, race is primarily unitary. You can only have one race, while you can claim multiple ethnic affiliations. You can identify ethnically as Irish and Polish, but you have to be essentially either black or white. The fundamental difference is that race is socially imposed and hierarchical.

http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-experts-03-02.htm https://www.livescience.com/33903-difference-race-ethnicity.html

Sure. Fine. Whatever.

I'm left-handed.

It's as ridiculous as the current gender identification debate that is common throughout Canada and the US if you ask me.

Correct me if i'm wrong but... you can't choose either?

Eh. Talk to most anthropologists nowadays and they'll tell you that you can't define races cleanly at all.

...are you using pherenolgy? That old pseudoscience has been debunked for a good century. Slight variables in skull shape have no significant meaning.

Read this: http://discovermagazine.com/1994/nov/racewithoutcolor444. Lemme know what you think.

If Jews are a race then why does IQ for mizrahi jew, sephardi jews, and ashkenazi jews differ substantially? You guys race that race is an indication of IQ. If all Jews were racially the same then you should have similar IQ, but they don't...why?

I have no idea if what you’re saying about different groups of Jews having varying IQs is true, but if it is, doesn’t that automatically mean that we are talking about different races of people? That was the original question here. No one is saying all Jews are the same racially or otherwise.

'Jews are not a race' thanks for that, I needed good laugh.

There are no races, only humans that look different. Get that race theory out from your head first.

I agree completely. Unfortunately the Jews don't.

"I am the Goyrax, and I speak for the Jews!"

Derivative. You need better material. 0/10

Go outside.

How would you define an 'European race' though? For instance, Greeks are more genetically similar to Jews and Palestinians then they are to Russians. Does that means Greeks are different race from Russians?

You don't define a European race. Races and ethnicities were around way longer than Europe. Your confusing nationality with ethnicity. You can define Japanese or Chinese or a Korean as a race, but that's because they don't allow immigration, making them the most racist people on the planet.

What is race?

What do you define race as?

I'm your alt account I guess?

Ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation. Race is something else. You are incorrect. How embarrassing for you.

You have refused to define "race." You provided a fairly good definition for ethnicity. I don't know what "race" is. I'm just asking questions.

I had literally never heard of "race" until you mentioned it. Based on the definition you've given, it sounds like you're just creating another word for ethnicity, which seems redundant to me.

Are common ancestry and common genetics different things?

So is a baby born to gentile parents but adopted by Jewish parents a Jew or not?

So if "Jew" is a "race" (as you have repeatedly claimed it is), but a child of another "race" becomes a Jew ethnically by virtue of adoption by Jews, then it seems like your whole "race" concept doesn't really have any worthwhile meaning or utility.

And yet you have not corrected me. Very interesting.

What is a "straw man?"

I was actually immaculately conceived.

That seems like something an antisemitic person would say.

You said that you were sure all Jewish mothers tell their children they were immaculately conceived. That seems antisemitic.

https://onetimesecret.com/secret/9fentc0uht6iyhujozqhpi86blh8drr

Why do they refer to themselves as "semitic" then, wouldn't you consider this a race? If I don't like a Christian am I anti-christian or anti-white? Why is criticizing jews "anti-semitic"?

It's kind of pathetic that you need to find a whole other group of people to blame for how sad your life is. Have you considered not being a piece of shit?

I'm not Jewish but it sure seems like you're an anti-Semitic piece of shit.

Rule 4

Removed. Rule 4.

The reason they're referred to as 'Semitic' is because of Europeans. They Europeans who spoke an indo-european language called themselves Aryan while they called Jews semitic because they didn't an Indo-European language. The origin of word 'anti-semitic' comes from Wilhelm Marr, who was a German who didn't like Jews so he came up with a word to describe the dislike towards Jews.

Not according to Wikipedia: "The compound anti-Semitism appears to have been used first by Steinschneider, who challenged Renan on account of his 'anti-Semitic prejudices' [i.e., his derogation of the "Semites" as a race]."[14]Avner Falk similarly writes: 'The German word antisemitisch was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816–1907) in the phrase antisemitische Vorurteile (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan's false ideas about how "Semitic races" were inferior to "Aryan races"'"

Either way, the origin doesn't matter, they use the term widely now for everything, which suggests a race not a religion.

Semitic is literally a language grouping, not a racial one although nazis saw language as being an indicator of race. The prejudice against Jews in the 19th century was no longer anything to do with their religion, but the fact they didn't speak an indo-european language; therefore, racial prejudice instead of religious prejudice came into play. Anti-semitism very much derived from the fact that Jews didn't speak a similar language to the rest of the Europeans. It's didn't help that they didn't have their own nation and were scattered through Europe, which increased prejudice and hatred against Jews. They were essentially considered Middle-Easterners or orientals because of their Semitic language. Europeans were also envious of how intelligent, successful and brilliant the Jews were, of course.

The Finns were also regarded as a different race because they didn't speak an indo-european language. Although now they are accepted as white, but Germans in the 19th century regarded them very much as Asiatics, but luckily for Finns, unlike Jews, they had a nation of their own and were not scattered across Europe. They also aren't as brilliant as the Jews. Barely any Finns have a won a Nobel prize. Although they have a developed nation, they have made very little scientific and other contributionss to the world.

Nah, the hatred comes from them infiltrating and controlling the finance and media of these countries to their own ends. This goes way back to egyptian times.

Wasn't "keep to yourself", like, the entire rationale for Israel in the first place? Anti-semites just keep moving those goalposts, don't they?

Also historically keeping to themselves didn’t mean any decrease in pograms

Yes! I have some serious issues with Israel, but I can't argue with its historical rationale for existing. After the Holocaust, it became abundantly obvious that the only way that the Jews could truly protect themselves would be to create their own state, where they would not have to rely on the benevolence of the Gentiles to exist free of molestation. I have a lot of disagreements with what they did after that decision, but I can't argue with their reason for founding the state in the first place.

Any sources for that?

IDK I'm not Jewish, I just know my history

If you want to make the case that Jewish communities have not suffered from not having any say in the government of the states they've lived in you're welcome to do so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire http://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/history/the-jewish-gehtto-renaissance-venice http://www.historyofyork.org.uk/themes/norman/the-1190-massacre https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005183

You mean if they just abandoned their faith and their culture? Looks like we got a 2018 King Ferdinand up in here. Please don't get any ideas from this, though it seems right up your alley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnF1OtP2Svk

Jews need to learn to be less ethnocentric. The Alt Right is going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Jews are not going to be living in the mind ghetto of the last thousands years. The Alt Right will be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Jews to make. They are now going into Reduced Semitism mode, and the Alt Right will be resented for out leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Jews will not survive. 

The Jew Barbara Spectre on the need for European muti-cultural transforamtion.

Videos like that just prove that Jews are evil.

Truth is anti-semitic

Israel is fucking shit but Jews aren't a hivemind that does what they say either

Prove it

They don't. Why do you think this?

You're surprised they don't vote for the party that caters heavily to a religion that isn't their own? Or that many American Jews aren't stupid enough not see that Republican support of Israel isn't because the conservative base loves Jewish people so much?

Gop treats Netanyahu like he's the Jewish Pope and conservatives disparage Jews that don't do the same (or support Democrats).

And now Republicans look even worse for Jews with the Trump movement, the people he's surrounded himself with and those he's propped up. Nazis and anti-Semitic attitudes are feeling pretty empowered and it's not coming from the Democrats.

Heres where your argument falls short: you start by citing the bad actions taken by a jewish country. Thats ok, israel has very harmful policies... but then you go on to say that because of this, all jewish people purposely and uniformly destroy other cultures, regardless if theyve never even been to israel? Dafuq?

Take some ownership for the problems in your life. Youre the only one that can fix them. The Jews didnt give you a shitty job and the Jews didnt make girls not want to talk to you. Grow some balls and take ownership of your life or you will never leave your mother's basement.

Stay on topic. You’re assuming things about OP that he/she never mentioned. You are doing a character assassination at this point.

why can't an ethnostate be a democracy?

You could pretty much replace America with Israel in your diatribe and create the same “big bad”. There’s no one “bad” group of people. Some people are just more selfish than others and we have decided on living in a world that rewards selfishness and educates thusly. Maybe Israel is above America. Maybe not. Someone will always be at the top of the pyramid when you worship money.

It’s most people’s god. They spend every moment of their life worshipping it. It’s almost illegal not to worship. The enemy isn’t the believers it’s the belief. You’re just willing to see what you call “evil” in a group you predetermined was evil. Now you’re afraid of it. The fear and the anger propagate. Fight the fear and your enemy may magically disappear.

why can't an ethnostate be a democracy?

It can. But an ethnostate is still racist.

I can't believe you have nothing better to do than hate other people that you don't want to understand.

I'm so sick of your uninformed opinions but I don't want to waste my time more than I already have.

So get a dog... Or a cat. Or better get a life and start loving people around you and stop hating them. Because there is no "Jew", there's only individuals you know nothing about that you hate. And that's sad because you'll will most likely pass away with such hatred in your heart I'm actually sad honking about it.

I hope you get better.

Recently I have seen one poster who claims a lot of posts ask why conspiracy is so 'anti semitic'.

I guess repeating a divisive mantra will cause division. It certainly doesn't set out to solve anything - so the intelligent conspiracy theorists asks why this mantra is being repeated daily.

Draw your own conclusions folks.

No. It doesn't. Goy is the hebrew word for nation or people. Goyim is the plural of that. It's a colloquial word that is used to refer to groups of people that are not jewish

You still didn't answer his questions about "us and them"? Can you clarify this instead of changing the subject?

I'm not missing anything at all. You seem to think that flair on TMOR is indicative of actual shilling, which is hilarious, because the flairs on TMOR exist to make fun of people like you, who constantly accuse them of shilling. It's like an infinite recursion of stupidity.

nice conspiracy theory. peterson is a kike shill who intentionally takes would-be white nationalists and steers them to alt lite and mainstream conservatism

nice conspiracy theory. jordan "most of my friends are jewish" peterson is a jew-shill who intentionally takes would-be white nationalists and steers them to alt lite and mainstream conservatism

LMAO delusion

what an awfully deluded person.... this is truly pathetic

Dying for your beliefs is probably the best thing you could do for humanity.

Are common ancestry and common genetics different things?

I had literally never heard of "race" until you mentioned it. Based on the definition you've given, it sounds like you're just creating another word for ethnicity, which seems redundant to me.

you're not though, you just compared something he said t something that's vaguely similar

Lol. Nazi idiot

OK I see where you are going with this. Amalekites became a term for a people who harass and attack Jews but by the strength of God, the Jewish people would be able to overcome. You're confusing religious slang for like a serious religious meaning and belief. Heres a non Jewish example. The British regularly called the Germans the Huns in WWI, that's doesn't mean the British people actually thought they were Huns, just that they were violent warriors (The Rape of Belgium solidified this) for the purposes of increasing support.

Ashkenazi are coloured people, and but white people stealing culture is nothing new.