Lmao

Have you ever flown on a plane before mate?

Well did you end up in LEO, or outer space?

Well there's your answer friendo.. Sarcasm isn't really a good look for you, you ask for respect, then act like a 10 year old.. No one will ever take you serious.. You can actually see the curve from in a plane, so what's the question again?

No sarcasm, just facts..

Which for people such as yourself, don't count for anything, because they're lying to us about everything..

Nice try though

I didn't watch a few YouTube videos and become a flat earth specialist..

I'm not taking anyone's word for it, I know the earth is round.. I've seen the curvature, I've seen objects disappear beyond the horizon, I've watched the sun rise and set, I tracked the movements of stars and the celestial bodies..

I own a very high powered telescope, I've seen the planets, I know they are out there.. I haven't seen a flat one yet, but if I do, you'll be the first to know..

The best part is how you are saying that globe earthers are the feeble minded ones.. Answer me one little question please, how do you know the earth is flat? I still haven't seen a single one of your people prove it's flat..

I don’t know what makes you think the government would disclose every single detail about everything.

The fact you think "the government" would need to "disclose" the shape of the Earth is hilarious.

Small adjustments to maintain altitude.

You can't fly off the edge with Jesus at the wheel. Duh.

My 5 year old asked me this once. Newton's third law, says that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. At only 19 miles away from the earths surface, referred to as altitude, the air is 100 times thinner than at sea level, it just so happens that aircraft need air to propel them and lift them, rockets don't.

Exactly that, the jets engines would be starved and would be unable to produce any thrust.

That and the wings would not generate enough lift.

and that’s why every airplane model has a max altitude it can fly at.

Now you're getting it.

gravity

Aircraft don't automatically try to fly in a straight line. There are constant very small corrections needed to stay on a given course at a given altitude, and on a spherical Earth a fixed altitude is a spherical shell around the Earth, so trimming an aircraft to maintain altitude results in a path that curves to follow the surface.

Even on a hypothetical flat-plane Earth, you could not take an airplane up, let go of the controls, and have it fly level at a constant altitude. Winds and temperature changes mean the aircraft is always going to try to slightly climb or slightly descend (and in some cases on some aircraft, the issue gets divergently worse the longer you are not making control adjustments.)

Alternatively, if you were to set up an experiment where you shined a high powered laser tangent to the Earth (let's say off the side of a mountain with a level.) and made a plane which tried to follow the beam straight, on a spherical Earth it would gain altitude until it hit its flight ceiling from gaining altitude and stall and fall down to lower altitude.

The Flat Earthers are really anti-Hollow Earthers in disguise.

earth is flat, gotta look at things that aren't...cell phone camera not on a football helmet(too close to game exposing choreography?) ... look at map apps on smart phones...should be a real time app that measures distance accurately down to a foot between two people..so person "A" is at sea level and exactly 297Miles 18YARDS 3 Feet away - and they can demonstrate this by moving back and forth with changing numbers every few feet..same app with two people at same elevation at base of tall skyscraper..measure real time distance at base and then do the same at higher elevation..the base distance measurements should be less than the summit distance measurement..this app does not exist..why does no the hydrogen engine get production..most say petro greed but if you had a water powered engine then so many boats would live at sea and be out of control... you can argue many points..NOAA sells navigation charts..buy a whole bunch and do some charting..time and experience here before the world of the internet..I've learned to be happy cause figuring out the mechanisms of control will always leave you with harder questions so before anyone thinks "i'm the best, cause they're wrong"..i say "The circumference of your understanding is limited to the diameter of your perspective/perceptions"..one translation..can appreciate your monopoly square until you have lived (not just visited) around the board..different pacing in cultures across the US show gains/losses in perspective...its like looking at time period based cultures..."well the 60s were hippies, the 70s were disco and rock, the 80's were synths and big hair, 90s was rap/hip hop, and then there is country western"...so kids today will use decades of peoples lives to sum up a personality but architect says we were mostly country before the industrialization and light invention(and then planned obsolescence instituted)..these artificial constructs that current gen use to sum up a decade in a RAM knowledge generation..(Non retained knowledge..will explain later)..are learned through a cell phone screen today .. a while ago i went to a rich friend of my fiancee's engagement party..fall season 2017..i see many archetype groups where stereo types are playing out...ate something hot and went outside to cool off and the blonde flamingos staring at there phones were on the patio passing the vape around...anyway one i engaged in conversation and she told me she worked for D.A.R.E. - I was like cool and for 10 minutes she droned on in that 'up swing' per spoken sentence voice when they are believe they are being informative. So as the steam coming off me starts to dwindle and i'm hoping the vape passes my way I ask so what does D.A.R.E. stand for..i remembered it was drug awareness something but i didn't remember the rest...keep in mind a few other 'flamingos' joined in with upswingery sentences because they were trying to "be like super positive and letting me know about the good cause and stuff"..but the reason why i dub this archetype the flamingos plays true..none of them knew what D.A.R.E. and in unison looked at each other like flamingos do and then reached for their phones in orchestrated unison..they then got short with me and proceeded to smoke and purposefully pass the vape counterclockwise like a reverse in UNO kept happening...point is forget fame but use good narrative movies as emotional metrics of measurement...patience is become an expensive commodity as free time costs money...watch "Branded", "What Just Happened", "The Informers" and "The Counselor"..(but after you watch the counselor go on youtube and watch the ending with deleted scenes when he talks about the philosophers stone, and shows misplaced audacity to grammatically correct the person that has power over you)..there are 10 million other things, but analysis paralysis is a real thing and peace of mind should be paramount..but as per flat earth stuff...traversed the earth by sea twice in the late 90's...saw many perspective from many elevation..the "curve" i have yet to observe..and thought it funny that gps in the southern hemi still don't work..nav charts compared to globe=remember every few days there were course corrections...i have typed alot ..if you read this far you got fortitude... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFgKVGPJmtI

I read it and it was a great post

good assessment..but some have extra brain space and ability to think non-linearly..this can be learned if you've lived in hollywood as a transplant and cut video and see creative ability...the only "job" you can hope to have is one where you create something that didn't exist but can last long after you are gone..told this to locals that were editing and its like I created fire for them....hard to explain but here goes...people born and raised in vegas do not gamble..they have been trained on gaming so know what drives their economy..but to visitors its a vice playing out..so if LA makes movies and people born there are that close to that..the ability to feel feelings now becomes the game..add "The Neon Demon" to that movie list..may never figure things out..i use the car at night perspective..play some tunes and worry about what the headlights can see..this derived from old 80s flick better off dead...when you have ANY problem the answer is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEHZJNQ5Y4A&t=0m5s

Drugs are bad mkay

Sorry, could you repeat that?

that

Zeppelin ruuuuules...!

Its flat. Globe is DEAD.

Ok, that proves it once for all, blimey!

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/69zoi7/sr71_blackbird_pilots_never_adjust_for_curvature

I love the top comment saying earths exit velocity is 33x that of sound. Like the 66.6% plane, or the .666 feet per squared mile, or the 666,000mph around the sun. Those silly masons. Nothing to see here!

CT scanners running at 666 mhz.. wtf

always love seeing your comment in these post haha

You spread more bullshit than anyone else on this sub lol

Just curious. Why is it so important for flat earthers to push their beliefs? Flat or round, it doesn’t really matter. On the other hand, something like a global conspiracy to enslave the world, or chemtrails (for whatever reason) seems is a lot more important to go on about.

Altitude is not an absolute. It’s relative to ground/sea level. Simple.

I ask that any person who thinks the earth is flat to take a basic physics course that involves vector math and force diagrams. It would literally answer 80% of the questions people ask thinking they have proof the earth is flat.

Except the scientific method is supposed to weed out the bullshit, that is the whole purpose of it. We used to believe the earth was flat, but advancement in how we measure and analyzed the earth proved that it is not the case.

Your analogy of people who are sure they answer a question right but are actually doing it wrong is representing the flat earthers. I've watched people try and prove the flat earth a whole bunch of different moronic ways that aren't founded in logical thinking.

It pretty much always starts from ignorance, and going to a basic physics course would probably aleviate most questions. Except of course the people who just throw out all developed understanding of physics simply because they like to act smarter than hundreds of years of work lol

Without firm reasoning of our origin, we can not say what is factual and what is not.

Well thats wrong but okay you can continue to believe that. It doesn't matter what our origin is because we can observe and question today so

But, it makes no sense that the Earth is spinning on an axis around our sun that is moving around the galaxy which is moving throughout the universe, yet we see the same exact constellations without change.

Over a couple hundred thousand or even millions of years then yes the constellations are going to change. a couple thousand years is nothing on a cosmic scale

So you admit you aren't actually looking for an answer when you asked the question? Or are you only looking for an answer that you agree with?

No no, you don't get to just act like the valid answer is not correct lol

What kind of answerr are you looking for in regards to your question? One that confirms your belief in god?

I believe everything I've had proven to me in a textbook as being true yes. There are "proofs" for a reason lmao

There is proof that you have no idea what you're talking about, but are arrogant enough to believe you do.

See: This thread.

I’m not into mudslinging. And this thread isn’t for lonely, closed-minded wine drinkers

LOL

You goons can't help yourself, can you? I mean, you utterly contradicted yourself in less than one paragraph.

The fact remains - you have proved yourself to be utterly ignorant of the topics you raised. For example, claiming that people can't go to Antarctica and that you can only find vague information on how to do it. I proved beyond doubt that claim is false. Not only did I prove it, I did it by simply typing "Antarctica tour" into Google.

That's how little research you did into a "fact" you read on some Flat Earth bullshit website.

You're too funny.

me too!..I'm involved in this..i have not ready any one else's post but tequila is awesome and all of your focus should be on the production of power..perpetual motion or some other over unity machine part...none of any argument of who is smarter or dumber matters without ability to produce energy...now if you are good or bad? that is another question...if you have any questions it can be answered here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

You truly dont understand how math works do you lol

The fact that you posted this question to reddit without knowing that jet engines stall out at a certain altitude leads me to believe that your perspective on reality is probably heavily blurred in a fog of ignorance. Not trying to be rude or anything but seriously.

I've been at higher altitudes and have experienced getting winded much easier, first hand evidence that at high altitudes there is less oxygen in the air. I've also covered a candle with a clear glass and whatched it burn out. Both these experiences provide pretty strong first hand evidence that a jet engine would stall at high enough altitudes. My point being you don't have to directly experience something to know it would occur.

Here is the hilarious bit - this guy doesn't believe jet engines stall at high altitude because he's never experienced first hand... but he knows god exists!

The planet is billions of years old and we definitely do know how humans evolved.

Because it’s also possible (see: certainly the case) that these ancient religious stories are wrong.

Nope. The persistence of scientific theories bears little resemblance in practice to the propagation of ancient myths. One is rooted in dogma, the other in evidence. False equivalence.

LOL.... how did I know that the Bible would come into this at some point?

How is that possible that majority of the world follows a teaching that can not coexist with the idea of evolution?

Because the majority of people are ignorant. You're no exception.

Because gravity is real and always pulling down?

Also an Antarctic wall guarded by nazi, alien, illuminati, yeti's sounds kind of unreal.

Nobody is really stopping anyone from going to Antarctica though. The Antarctic Treaty System of 1961was an arms control to prevent governments from having nukes there basically. Anyone with the money and balls can go there to see for themselves.

Lack of an actual airport there would make it hard to find a flight to Antarctica. It would have to be privately funded. It all falls back on money and balls to do it.

Why is it such a task to get there?

I'm sorry the Earth is not laid at for your convenience, but that's the way it is. It is a "task" to get there because it is one of the most inhospitable environments on Earth and there is very little chance of rescue if anything goes wrong, so trips there must be carefully planned.

You have to take a plane and a boat

Actually, you can take a plane or a boat. There are airstrips on Antarctica. You can even fly to the South Pole, but that means first landing on Antarctica and transferring to a smaller plane capable of landing at the Pole.

You can also take one of many cruise ships that will take you to Antarctica in comfort and style, but you won't get near the Pole that way.

if I’m not mistaken, you need some type of official clearance

You are mistaken. What you are doing is repeating the same lies Flat Earthers keep telling each other while refusing to actually research their "facts".

Until recently yachts arriving without permission were tolerated, but this is no longer the case.

Probably because of the number of idiots that nearly (or did) get themselves killed by undertaking such an expedition woefully unprepared.

It costs a hell of a lot of money to mount a rescue mission to Antarctica.

The Chilean authorities do not impose any restrictions to a vessel intending to visit the Antarctic Peninsula; certain formalities must be completed in Puerto Williams, both before going and on one's return.

No restrictions, huh?

Once in Antarctica there are no formalities to be completed and yachts are free to cruise, subject to various restrictions. Most of these are self-imposed and self-controlled.

So there is no one there to stop you from doing anything you want...

In summary, the 2004 guidelines state that those organising or conducting tourist or other non-governmental activities in the Antarctic Treaty Area should have in place before the visit “appropriate contingency plans and sufficient arrangements for health and safety, search and rescue (SAR), and medical care and evacuation.” Also available from the Antarctic Treaty Secretariat website are specific guidelines for sites most visited by tourists.

Yep... "most visited by tourists".... but according to Flat Earthers you can't go there!

Even searching for a trip to the continent leads to vague articles about getting there.

Vague?

https://www.polar-quest.com/trips/antarctica/fly-to-the-south-pole

The next tour to the South Pole with this company is on 14 December 2018, it will cost you 49,750 US dollars for a 6 or 7 day stay in Antarctica. That page gives you a full itinerary, including:

Once weather conditions permit, you will board our ski aircraft and head for the southernmost point on Earth! Your flight is planned to return the same day but we will bring food and camping equipment in the event weather conditions change and an overnight stay is necessary. The services team will assist you in packing your sleeping bag.

...

As you near 90° South, you will catch sight of the South Pole station, a cluster of buildings surrounded by snow and sky. The aircraft lands on a groomed ski-way and you’ll deplane near the South Pole marker. Here all 360 lines of longitude meet and beneath your feet the ice is almost 10,000 ft (3000 m) thick!

It's quite expensive but there an awful lot of you Flat Earthers around.... why don't you crowdfund an expedition to the South Pole on this flight and prove it's not really the South Pole?

I do not believe in the ice wall theory btw. So, that should be directed at someone who does.

I never said anything about an ice wall, so you should direct your comment at someone who did.

You said you can't go to Antarctica. I showed you how you can not only go to Antarctica but to the South Pole. I notice you're ignoring that fact I proved your bullshit wrong.

I am simply posing new ideas about the world and our livelihood. I am not stating anything as fact.

New ideas? Are you fucking mad? There is nothing "new" about anything you have said. Most of your ideas are thousands of years old and long debunked by actual science.

Your not as smart as you think you are.

Okay. Well, you’re not very smart for engaging in such a trivial conversation.

Meh.... it passes the time.

Enjoy your perfectly trustworthy government.

The government has nothing to do with it. The government didn't tell me the Earth was spherical. The government didn't tell me how to debunk your Flat Earth bullshit.

By the way... which government are you talking about? There are hundreds of them...

Quantas airlines runs a sightseeing tour over some of the more scenic portions of Antarctica. They also run a commercial flight from South America to Australia which takes advantage of the high velocity winds which encircle the continent. Numerous sightseeing cruises travel around the Antarctic coast. It's the most inhospitable climate on Earth, so it's not surprising that people don't go there lightly. However, if you have a lot of money to blow, you can charter a private flight right over the South Pole.

Sorry, the Earth is a ball and Flat Earth is an embarrassment propagated by the CIA as a disinfo experiment.

Did you know you cannot just get on your yacht or plane and go off into the antarctic Regions? They will not allow you to go. You need insurance, and a permit thanks to that Treaty you mentioned. Even those who try to get a permit are denied. You think Jarle andhoy and his crew would risk jail and the voyage by not filling in few forms? or they were denied to so many times. They had no option

There is perimeter control. You can't just take your yacht and explore.

Locks are also made to keep honest people honest in my opinion. If a flat earther wanted to prove his theory he would find a way there regardless of rules.

and people like Jarle and his crew are dying and risking their lives to make reach the antarctic and prove what is really there.

They will not allow you to go.

Bullshit. The reason for requiring permits is so that idiots don;t get people killed by heading off into an extremely dangerous environment unprepared... like the moron you mentioned:

His voyage last year to the Antarctic also got three of his crew killed when his yacht Berserk II sank.

That's why governments require permits. But you will note no one actually stopped him from killing three of his crew mates. Even his latest journey was not stopped.

He went to Antarctica and no one stopped him. You linked to proof that it can be done.

https://www.space.com/20089-near-space-balloons-science.html

https://www.space.com/20089-near-space-balloons-science.html

send up some cameras

When there are waves on the ocean, a ship simply floats up and down on the waves, moving vertically without any input from the helm. It works the same way for aircraft.

A wing generates lift through a combination of factors - motion through the air, angle of attack, and density of the air around it. If any of those variables change, the amount of lift the wings generate also changes. When the lift and the pull from gravity are balanced, the aircraft stays at the same altitude.

So, if an aircraft ascends to 30,000 feet, then levels out and maintains airspeed, it will stay at 30,000 feet because gravity is balanced by the lift generated by the wings at that altitude, angle of attack and airspeed. It's like the aircraft is floating on the surface of a ball of air.

If the aircraft was somehow moved vertically upwards without changing its angle of attack or airspeed, the amount of lift the wings would generate in the now thinner air would decrease and no longer balance out the gravitational pull. The aircraft would drop until the air became thick enough to once again generate enough lift to balance gravity.

It's like the boat on the crest of a wave falling into the trough behind the wave until the water stops its downward motion. An aircraft 'floats' on the surface of a ball of air that is dense enough to provide the required lift at that altitude and angle of attack.

Like the surface of the ocean, this ball of air can have waves in it. If you have ever been on an aircraft in "turbulence" you have felt the effect of riding on those waves of denser/thinner air.

In case anyone is wondering, this is the correct answer to OP's question.

WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT?

I still haven't seen any proof for this.. Plenty of proof for a globe earth, but zero for a flat one..

I asked you first and you ignored me.. I don't need to post pictures, you can look at the stars and the sun, there's all the proof you need..

You're hilarious.. There's plenty of inexpensive ways to prove it to yourself.. I can't prove anything to you.. I'm not trying to prove anything, all I'm telling you is that you can see it for yourself..

No mental gymnastics required

I think the real debate is if there is actually any proof that flat-Earthers would accept.

Here's my eli5 answer.

Imagine you're in a plane. As it flies, its wings generate lift, which pushes it up. At the same time, gravity pushes it down. If it were to go any higher, without changing anything else, the air would get thinner, and it would generate less lift, causing it to drop back down. If it were to go lower, the air would get thicker, causing it to generate more lift, and pushing it back up. The plane doesn't have to adjust for the curve, because physics will do that automatically.

Of course, in the real world, the pilot is constantly making minor adjustments to account for buffeting winds and uneven pockets of air or moisture, just like a driver on the road has to account for imperfections on an uneven road.

Same way you dont fall off in australi

I didn't watch a few YouTube videos and become a flat earth specialist..

I'm not taking anyone's word for it, I know the earth is round.. I've seen the curvature, I've seen objects disappear beyond the horizon, I've watched the sun rise and set, I tracked the movements of stars and the celestial bodies..

I own a very high powered telescope, I've seen the planets, I know they are out there.. I haven't seen a flat one yet, but if I do, you'll be the first to know..

The best part is how you are saying that globe earthers are the feeble minded ones.. Answer me one little question please, how do you know the earth is flat? I still haven't seen a single one of your people prove it's flat..

I read it and it was a great post

good assessment..but some have extra brain space and ability to think non-linearly..this can be learned if you've lived in hollywood as a transplant and cut video and see creative ability...the only "job" you can hope to have is one where you create something that didn't exist but can last long after you are gone..told this to locals that were editing and its like I created fire for them....hard to explain but here goes...people born and raised in vegas do not gamble..they have been trained on gaming so know what drives their economy..but to visitors its a vice playing out..so if LA makes movies and people born there are that close to that..the ability to feel feelings now becomes the game..add "The Neon Demon" to that movie list..may never figure things out..i use the car at night perspective..play some tunes and worry about what the headlights can see..this derived from old 80s flick better off dead...when you have ANY problem the answer is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEHZJNQ5Y4A&t=0m5s

Except the scientific method is supposed to weed out the bullshit, that is the whole purpose of it. We used to believe the earth was flat, but advancement in how we measure and analyzed the earth proved that it is not the case.

Your analogy of people who are sure they answer a question right but are actually doing it wrong is representing the flat earthers. I've watched people try and prove the flat earth a whole bunch of different moronic ways that aren't founded in logical thinking.

It pretty much always starts from ignorance, and going to a basic physics course would probably aleviate most questions. Except of course the people who just throw out all developed understanding of physics simply because they like to act smarter than hundreds of years of work lol

and people like Jarle and his crew are dying and risking their lives to make reach the antarctic and prove what is really there.

Why is it such a task to get there?

I'm sorry the Earth is not laid at for your convenience, but that's the way it is. It is a "task" to get there because it is one of the most inhospitable environments on Earth and there is very little chance of rescue if anything goes wrong, so trips there must be carefully planned.

You have to take a plane and a boat

Actually, you can take a plane or a boat. There are airstrips on Antarctica. You can even fly to the South Pole, but that means first landing on Antarctica and transferring to a smaller plane capable of landing at the Pole.

You can also take one of many cruise ships that will take you to Antarctica in comfort and style, but you won't get near the Pole that way.

if I’m not mistaken, you need some type of official clearance

You are mistaken. What you are doing is repeating the same lies Flat Earthers keep telling each other while refusing to actually research their "facts".