I think "space" is entirely different than we are told.

100%. We're fed a bag of bullshit.

Come on bro, of course you can weigh the moon with heavy balls in a shed.

Science says so.

And science wouldn't lie. Science is our friend.

You could say, in your own words, what about that specific experiment is wrong.

Do you believe you can weigh the moon with heavy balls in a shed?

Simple question, please answer 'yes' or 'no' or 'no comment'.

It isn't that simple but using physics it is possible to get approximate weights of various objects given details of their orbits and other factors.

Now answer my questions here please https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8hsu7r/new_perspective_on_space/dynh69h/

It isn't that simple

Yes, it is.

Are you going to ignore my questions?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8hsu7r/new_perspective_on_space/dynh69h/

Do you believe you can weigh the moon with heavy balls in a shed?

I already answered that question in this thread.

I will repost my questions, which you so far have refused to answer, below.

1: Is Doppler Shift real?

2: Is it possible to figure out the speed of the transmitter if the original frequency is know?

You're entitled to your beliefs and that's okay.

However I gotta say I feel incredibly sorry that you don't get to experience that wonderful feeling of mysticism and wonder that one gets looking into the night sky. The profound feeling of our insignificance is one of the most humbling and beautiful things I've ever experienced. It's the only feeling that I can say as an adult that makes me feel child-like again.

I get it. I've been there and I use to think and say that same exact things. But I've seen things in the sky that defy the logic of this world presented to us and my own long journey trying to find answers is what brought me to my beliefs today.

I tell you what though, once you see it, and you realize our ancient ancestors were closer to reality in their beliefs than we are now. Makes things much more interesting. Forget that lonely, insignificant, surrounded by nothing, space lie, because the other side is pretty damn amazing.

In what way?

Like how early settlers thought that there was no way to circumvent the globe, or that you would fall off the face of the earth, or that we didn't know there's exoplanets. We're just a tiny speck in a vast universe that seems impossible to fathom.

There seems to be a barrier there. No one seems to really go there.

Except for all the satellites and space probes. Are you saying they don't exist?

They are not in space.... they are still within the earths orbit.

The earth and other planets are in the sun's orbit. Are they 'not in space'?

The voyagers are not in Earths orbit.

How are you defining space?

Uhh, I mean yes other planets are in space but that’s not what I said. I said that the satellites and such that we use are not outside of the earths atmosphere. If they were not in the earths atmosphere they would not have a way to stay “contained” and only circle our planet. As for the voyager, I don’t have any input for them. I don’t know much and I’m not going to speak on something I don’t know

The only reason they stay 'Contained' and 'Circle our planet' is because they're NOT in the earths atmosphere. If they were they'd burn up and fall to the earth. Satellites are in a constant state of falling towards the earth but just missing it every time, this is only possible outside of the atmosphere my friend.

You also say 'As for the voyager, I don’t have any input for them. I don’t know much and I’m not going to speak on something I don’t know'

So you don't know about voyager but you want to talk about space like you have some sort of understanding over others? Hehehe

If they were not in the earths atmosphere they would not have a way to stay “contained” and only circle our planet

Inertia and gravity take care of that.

Duuuh wut?

Nonexistent. Don’t tell me you think they went to the moon too?

Why do you think they do not exist? You can see them, you can image them, you can bounce radio signals off of them, and get data back from them.

You can’t see them. They never transit the moon. I look at the moon every night that it’s possible and have never seen a satellite. There are no images of orbiting satellites. “You” cannot bounce radio signals off of them.

They never transit the moon.

Iridium lunar transit followed by flare - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I15NoaucDTE

See also all the videos of the ISS transiting the Moon.

I look at the moon every night that it’s possible and have never seen a satellite.

There are no images of orbiting satellites.

http://earthsky.org/space/how-to-see-satellites-your-night-sky

“You” cannot bounce radio signals off of them.

Yes you can. https://www.n2yo.com/satellites/?c=18

They never transit the moon.

Iridium lunar transit followed by flare - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I15NoaucDTE

See also all the videos of the ISS transiting the Moon.

I look at the moon every night that it’s possible and have never seen a satellite.

There are no images of orbiting satellites.

http://earthsky.org/space/how-to-see-satellites-your-night-sky

“You” cannot bounce radio signals off of them.

Yes you can. https://www.n2yo.com/satellites/?c=18

Here’s a screenshot from the video.

https://imgtc.com/z05ox4Z

Unconvincing and inconclusive. Isn’t there a single image of a real satellite in space that you can get behind?

And again, “you” cannot verify the existence of satellites with radio waves. You can merely link to someone claiming they can, which is in no way the same.

Isn’t there a single image of a real satellite in space that you can get behind?

Yes I linked to them. You must have missed it.

And again, “you” cannot verify the existence of satellites with radio waves

You know this how? You assume I haven't used one of the AmSats without asking? Is that how you do "research"?

Show the most convincing satellite image that should persuade even a skeptical thinker that they exist in earth orbit.

Then link to your own research otherwise you’re just deferring to authority.

Let me ask you a few questions first.

1: Is Doppler Shift real?

2: Is it possible to figure out the speed of the transmitter if the original frequency is know?

*crickets*

I know! Is is like so shocking! :)

What's wrong with for example this one? I am honestly curious

Who took that picture?

Endeavour during the pick-up (STS-57 )

It's not that that one picture screams "fraud." It's that it looks like all the other fake imagery we've already seen. If I were going to bring up an issue I have with that one photo, it would be that the thermosphere is supposed to range from 600 degrees F to like 3,600 degrees F.

But mainly it's just that there's already a pattern of faking space photos. There's pictures of earth with copy/pasted cloud formations that were clearly created with Photoshop, the word "sex" hidden in the cloud formations, etc. and all these anomalies that really made the FE crowd gain any steam in the first place.

If these things are in orbit they're supposed to be moving at like 17,000 mph.

Think about your sentence "It's that it looks like all the other fake imagery we've already seen. " I think you can stop asking for pictures as proof, because they will most likely all look fake. For the sake of the argument,let's assume this pic is real, therefore all other pics will look kind of similar, There is literally no way that one of those pics would proof anything for you.

Regarding the your points about the temperature and speed, I am sure, someone already explained this,but apparently you think it's more likely that NASA (or whoever) has nothing better to do, during this massive conspiracy, than editing sex into their fake pictures. Anyway,I don't judge,so whatever...

Anyway, I asked for a photo of a satellite and you submitted a photo of space shuttle Endeavor, so this is all moot and you aren't prepared for the discussion anyway.

Ok, English is not my first language,but it wasn't that bad. You asked who took the picture ( of that satellite), I said it was taken by the endeavour. I don't know where you see a space shuttle on that picture.

Anyway, I asked for a photo of a satellite and you submitted a photo of space shuttle Endeavor

Is this your default behavior in a conversation? just ignore everything said before and literally make things up?

Why not continue a “conversation” with me in a thread that still has any views, if you crave embarrassment.

Because my question is related to this conversation. Do you actually think what you see on the pic I linked is the space shuttle endeavour ( after I told you the pic was taken by said space shuttle) ? If so,why did you not mention it in your first reply?

How do satellite phones work?

Cell towers and/or balloons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Loon

I can post several wikipedia articles too - doesn't mean anything

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_phone

Yeah except most people have not heard of Project Loon while 100% of us are familiar with the official satellite narrative.

Fair enough - but that Project Loon was done by Google. Surely it doesn't get more official than that? Google lie to us all the time. Why would you believe Google over anything else? I can claim that Project Loon is a lie too see?

And I wouldn’t blame you, but I bet we could find pictures of these WiFi balloons in action or even cameras installed on them which photograph their activities. On the other hand, there are no photographs of satellites in space.

seems to be a barrier there

You mean the Van Allen Radiation Belts?

I no longer believe that the belts exist in the way we are told. Too many inconsistencies and it seems more like a contrived pseudo-justification for why it’s “hard” to go to space.

Like in a petri dish.

I used to think all the stars and such were cells or atoms of a massive organism, but that's kinda cliche.

I agree it is rather cliche. I like to think of the universe as being inside a black hole now adays. Information stored on the event horizon and with string theory making a hologram of what we know as existence.

ditto

Micro/macro theory is fun to ponder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrocosm_and_microcosm

If you believe in simulation theory, space is nothing but the crayon-drawn background of the diorama we live in.

simulation theory

'Simulation' of what exactly?

The universe.

And that makes sense to you?

Makes sense? Absolutely.

Is true? I have yet to see any evidence.

What would be the point of the simulation though? Science project maybe?

Well I suppose if we could make a simulation of the earth so complex that the simulated people believed they were real, we would probably make lots of such simulations to experiment on or for entertainment.

The dual-slit experiment is pretty much a dead giveaway.

Well in the business world simulations are used to see how processes work, such as an assembly line for instance. The great thing about simulations is that it can take into account of multiple variables and be run many times sped up from normal speed. If we were able to simulate the universe efficiently, we could see other "civilizations" progress way farther than where we currently are. With this we can learn new technology and thus benefit greatly off of it. This all begs the question though, if we are able to simulate the universe then it's rather probable that we are in a simulation ourselves.

I wonder how spirits see us from their perspective. Would they be able to see everything, past and present if they're in a point beyond time & space? Human perspective definitely is limited.. as our brain takes in the info from our senses and forms a picture of a physical universe. What if it isn't entirely physical?

There are those that believe when you look up, you are seeing heaven.. and that each star has a soul. Meanwhile we get taught outer space is physical... stars being burning gas balls along with planets that we could travel to. Those two perspectives sure do clash. Can they coexist? If you're interested in a theory that gives entirely new implications about space you might find flat earth interesting.

Do you genuinely believe in spirits and flat Earth?

I do. I believe we have spirits that will exist after our bodies die, and I imagine God goes by our karma when letting us reincarnate. I've heard that humans aren't high on the food chain and that higher beings, having ascended, go to the upper level/heaven as stars.. which are our ancestors. In a place we can't get to as humans.

In the tower of babylon story, people sought to ascend to heaven and I've become convinced that the ball earth notion itself is a form of mental misdirection to get people to believe reality is entirely physical, and forms a perspective that has us view ourselves already being in heaven - literally floating in it.

Having heard flat earth theory out and explained properly, things make more sense... but it's hard for us to know it's flat. Theoretically reality could bend either way. Both are valid theories and ball earth has its interpretation of things, but when our proof turns out to be repeatedly falsified.. then outer space being a proven fact gets harder to believe in.

Where were you on August 21, 2017?

I have this opinion or theory that however mankind got here, we’ve been put in a sandbox we cannot escape from. That’s why we are the only life in the cosmos.

Wow that was a terrible read. The universe is ever expanding. Think a wall, but what's beyond that wall? Thing is with space is that wall is never in grasp. It's the biggest mindfuck there is. No End. Limitless.

Almost but to me the biggest mind fuck is what's in the other side of that 'wall'? What's it made out of? And what's it expanding into?

We still don't know what comprises the majority of the known universe, let alone what is beyond it.

Oh, you went there...so our solar system is just one strand of DNA in a cell of a much larger organism. What if our planet was just a single atom and the moon was our sole electron orbiting away.

That would make us what, quarks?

So what if there is some 'solar system' in the DNA in each cell in our body? And the above was true for that 'solar system'? You see where I'm going with this? When would it ever end, this getting smaller and smaller but seeming endless to the observer at the new smaller level?

It’s turtles all the way down.

That is how I like to think about the universe.

Maybe not! A break through could happen any day of our lives. Quantum Physics already has a lot of really strange things in it that hint at the connection between the conscious and the universe. Wouldn't it be cool to find out something that connects our inner mind to the rest of our reality?

I feel as if this idea of the universe goes right along with the theory that we are all just life re-experiencing itself over and over and over again.

I used to think that the universe was "God" experiencing itself. That after coming to understand everything that 'is', it realised it couldn't know itself without perceiving itself through the eyes of others. That the struggles we see are just internal dissonances shifting to harmony.

I've always been empathetic to the doctrine of panpsychism, so it's relatively parsimonious with my belief system anyway.

There is no end

This idea has been around since the 1800s

As above so below.

I also think that different organisms can have drastically different experiences of their environment. Consider us, a bird and a tree, what if the bird is interacting with the same molecular compounds and vibrations of forces but experiencing this in such an abstractly different way than us, that we can't meaningfully compare our experiences? But synchronistically our worlds collide and interact.

Like, definitely. "What is it like to be a bat?" by Thomas Nagel touches on this. I'm basically going to rehash what you said to show I agree with you.

I would be of the mind that we develop our "conscious" (loaded word) experience through our engagement with the world. I think (and I'd like to open a discussion about it, so feel free to argue back) that we experience our engagement through our nervous system. That is, all information we receive through our senses is transferred to us though our nervous system. Our nervous system is powered by neurons. *I think* that most of our neurons are located in our brains. I also *think* that most of the neurons belonging to an octopus are located throughout their eight arms. So consider, how do they experience their engagement with the world?

If your ears were located at your hips, where do you think you'd "hear" the sound? Seeing as the vibration would be felt at your ears (which are located on either side of your hips), I'd assume you'd "hear" at your hips. Now what if you tried to recall a song you heard earlier? Would you be recalling that in your hips or in your head? Where do you think you'd hear the song? I contest still in your hips, as recalling it is accessing the memory of it, and to access the memory you'd have to realise the experience as it was, recalling the tiny vibrations as your ears received them, ears that are on either side of your hips.

Back to the octopus, I think it's something like 3/5 of it's neurons are spread about their arms. Do these arms each possess a mind of their own? When they clasp an object with the arms, what are they experiencing or feeling that we'll never pick up on? What could memory recall for an octopus be like? I don't even think we could imagine to be honest. We'd only be victim to the flaws of our own reasoning, which has been developed for years by humans, through our particular experience of engaging with the world, with our particular tools.

Reminds me of how Laniakea (our galactic supercluster) kinda looks like a neuron or something...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rENyyRwxpHo

It's been said that if God ever needed a physical body, it would look just like the Universe.

men in black?

Marbles

Your intro is the premise of Greg Bear's Blood Music

Weird

Go to the nearest ocean or desert and a grab a cup full of water or sand.

That's about how much we know about space - absolutely nothing.

I don't believe in flat earth whatsoever but I like to say we are probably being deceived on a scale as large as that.

There is so much we don't know or is just incorrect. I wonder if we are being lied to about gravity or the way electromagnetism works and the universe is vastly different than we imagine.

We'll just never know but its a fun idea. I can completely agree its possible.

Like in MIB that cats color having a galaxy inside of it.

The fact that so much of what we are told are based on others' theories has allowed me to create my own theories. Like what if the Earth is flat. What if it's domed. What if there is a hell beneath us. What if one day the sun explodes without warning? What if there's a planet 9,000,0000 times the size of hours headed towards us? I don't we have the technology or mental capability to understand a lot of the information we've been fed.

Like a fractal. You can keep zooming out and out (or in and in) but it's just the same pattern repeated over and over

Makes sense? Absolutely.

Is true? I have yet to see any evidence.

Almost but to me the biggest mind fuck is what's in the other side of that 'wall'? What's it made out of? And what's it expanding into?

The only reason they stay 'Contained' and 'Circle our planet' is because they're NOT in the earths atmosphere. If they were they'd burn up and fall to the earth. Satellites are in a constant state of falling towards the earth but just missing it every time, this is only possible outside of the atmosphere my friend.

You also say 'As for the voyager, I don’t have any input for them. I don’t know much and I’m not going to speak on something I don’t know'

So you don't know about voyager but you want to talk about space like you have some sort of understanding over others? Hehehe

If they were not in the earths atmosphere they would not have a way to stay “contained” and only circle our planet

Inertia and gravity take care of that.

I do. I believe we have spirits that will exist after our bodies die, and I imagine God goes by our karma when letting us reincarnate. I've heard that humans aren't high on the food chain and that higher beings, having ascended, go to the upper level/heaven as stars.. which are our ancestors. In a place we can't get to as humans.

In the tower of babylon story, people sought to ascend to heaven and I've become convinced that the ball earth notion itself is a form of mental misdirection to get people to believe reality is entirely physical, and forms a perspective that has us view ourselves already being in heaven - literally floating in it.

Having heard flat earth theory out and explained properly, things make more sense... but it's hard for us to know it's flat. Theoretically reality could bend either way. Both are valid theories and ball earth has its interpretation of things, but when our proof turns out to be repeatedly falsified.. then outer space being a proven fact gets harder to believe in.

I know! Is is like so shocking! :)