I knew someone in Seattle who didn’t own one. Made his concern known to me when he visited. He asked me to let him know if i was going to microwave something and he would actually go outside. I respected his wishes, but your post reminded me of this.

thousands more each year

what? Do you have a valid source? Is this some weird rumor?

It would probably help ease your concerns if you saw a short YouTube vid on how they work

probably because people are stupid and don't realize that light waves are on a spectrum. Yes some are harmful, but others are not.

I worked for a Turkish man many years ago. He told me that he believed that microwaves and aluminum foil are cancer causing agents and to not use them, and that's something I took with me and use in my life.

Because he was a lvl 99 conspiracy dude? Or was that his only thing?

Yeah I'm curious about this as well

Microwave is like lvl 25, not the best exp methods out there. I suggest 911 conspiring at level 58 to maximize profit and exp/h

My brother doesn’t have a microwave because his wife thinks they’re bad for you. She’s never told me specifically why but I have heard her talk about “some truths when they talk about chemtrails” so I think she’s got some good ideas about what’s going on lol

Radio Shack sold a microwave leakage detector at one point.

I don't think they're harmful. If they were, wouldn't it affect food near the oven?

I had one that jammed my wifi. Good quality oven too.

If they were it would seriously damage anyone around them.

1. In this review, we have found that microwave effects were established at all biological levels, from microbial cells to animals as well as the human system.

2. The study revealed that microwave could athermally induce different physiological effects.

3. The studies on the mechanism of microwave bio-in- teraction showed that microwaves act as promoting agents in inducing genetic changes in biosystem.

http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/~d25559k/engg168_files/papers/Bioeffects%20of%20microwave_Review.pdf

To be clear, this paper is talling about the direct effects of microwaves on biology, not about eating microwaved food.

Which kinda deems OP's point moot. Microwaving your food isn't harmful. But no shit exposure to microwaves directly will harm you, the same way overexposure to X-Rays will. Coincidentally had an argument about this literally today with my gf(she believes in a lot of wacko unscientific stuff).

But no shit exposure to microwaves directly will harm you, the same way overexposure to X-Rays will.

not true at all, different wavelengths have different energy levels.....meaning different effects. There's also ionizing vs nonionizing radiation.

Of course. How does that change the point that overexposure to both microwaves and x-rays is harmful?

because that's not the point you made. You equivocated the two, when they would have very different effects ("There's also ionizing vs nonionizing radiation").

But now you just say both are harmful...so which is it?

I meant it in a layman's terms that overexposure to both of these that are used fairly frequently and most of us have come across can be harmful in case of overexposure. Why would I even bring up ionising and non-ionising radiation or the mechanism by which they do the harm in this thread? Anyways hope that clears things up.

Anything shorter than visible light is ionizing to a certain extent, plasmas are definitely ionizing as are large concentrations of free radicals.

If you can’t microwave breast milk and give it to your baby bc it kills the nutrients, what do you think it does to other types of food? It kills the nutrients.... AND makes the food taste all rubbery. No thanks!

You know what else kills the nutrients? Over boiling and overheating. If the microwave heats it too much the nutrients will be destroyed just as much as they'd be if it was heated over a flame. Gosh how stupid are some people on this sub? It almost feels like you guys desperately want there to be a conspiracy that exists where there's none.

Overheating food results in it being burnt, which creates carbon & is cancerous. My point is, it kills nutrients.

Holy fuck did you ever take a science class? And how bad is your reading comprehension? Overheating can happen in normal flame heating too which is what I said you dumbass. You know what percentage of your body is carbon? I won't tell you. Google it. You know carbon is a core element in pretty much ALL organic life? Carbon causes cancer...my fucking sides. I feel so so sorry for you.

The BLACK BURNT carbon bullshit in the burnt food is CARCINOGENIC. I should've been more specific bc I didn't say "carbon is cancerous." I said burnt food is cancerous. The carbon I was speaking of specifically is black carbon (burnt toast & graphite) is carcinogenic because it is a roughly flat molecule.Go do some research yourself.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/health/burnt-toast-cancer-risk-roast-potatoes-acrylamide-bn/index.html

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet

You literally said it creates carbon. It does not create carbon. Carbon is already present in food. And it can be burnt in a microwave as well as over a flame. What was your point again? Lol. You're literally proving nowhere that microwaves are harmful.

Ok sorry, burnt food RELEASES carbon, including carbon monoxide. On another note, go ahead & read up about the degradation of nutrients in microwaved foods below:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf970670x

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/43fe/dc8ff0e0c80b5fe6e8d522d95391c218a3e1.pdf <-- This one talks about reduced testosterone. Read up, bc you sound like you could use some more testosterone ya little bitch :*

Lol you should really read the links yourself sweetie. The first link doesn't provide any control group so the observations are insignificant as there is no other result to compare to.

And 2nd link in the intro section of the study-

Every cooking method can destroy vitamins and other nutrients in food.

And the method used in the experiment is terrible. It involves heating food pellets (which we are given no information on the contents of) are heated at 320 degree Celsius. Microwaves heat up to an average of 100 degrees. So it's a demonstration of extreme burning of food in microwave. No shit there would be side effects.

If you expose food to direct hot flame do you think it's gonna stay healthy? Lol. Pathetic.

Yeah I didn't mean that for you. It's definitely okay to ask questions. It's a conspiracy subreddit afterall. But i felt that user was ignoring plain evidence in favour of crying conspiracy. Had a long argument with them and then they just deleted their comments when they realised how wrong they were.

Unfortunately microwaves do not heat evenly, so some parts of the milk would likely boil and destroy nutrients.

I think all bets are off when the temperature approaches boiling point. At that point properties of heating via microwaves versus thermally are different.

So to warm up food in microwave is fine in my opinion (you might have to run the oven at 50% duty or so to allow for thermal relaxation and to prevent 100C hot spots).

To bake or cook in a microwave is just silly and asking for trouble. It is meant for warming up food.

Also, you can nuke a cup of water to boiling point, and keep heating it without it turning into steam. Then when you take the cup out and stir or perturb the boiling water, it can suddenly all turn into steam, giving you severe burns.

Yes baking and cooking in microwave, I can see the issues. I personally avoid it due to culinary reasons. For any kind of heating that would require a lot of time I just heat over a flame.

Everyday in front of your microwave as it leaks a little bit more likely not great for your biology.

It is also no friend to the nutritional value of food.

It is also no friend to the nutritional value of food.

But the question is whether microwave are worse nutritionally than any other form of heating food. I haven't seen evidence to say so.

Eat only microwaved food for 12 days and weep for your humanity.

Depends on your definition of microwaved food. If you mean ready meals, then I agree. But veg, fish, chicken, eggs, cakes etc can all be prepared from scratch, cooked in the microwave and be just as tasty.

In this article they measure the effects of microwaves by exposing bacteria, frogs and rats to microwaves for extended periods of time.
No shit that would do damage...putting your arm in a conventional oven would also do damage. Don't do that.
As long as you're not standing inside a microwave for a few hours every day i'm sure you'll be fine

Ya, I read it, thanks.

So putting the conclusions without the method or even what the study is actually about is a bit disingenuous, is it not?
People will read what you wrote and take it to mean that microwaves in general are bad for you.
It's not a great study and it's 15 years old to boot.
Or I guess it could be big microwave covering up a massive conspiracy to kill people prematurely...yeah, that makes sense

Sometimes there is no contrived conspiracy there is just routinary complacency and commerce.

The study I showed the conclusions of is pretty straight forward and somewhat relevant to the general query of the OP. The link is there for the curious.

It is not a gavel slamming case closed nor did I make that claim.

I could gather and link some more recent things but I'm not married to the notion of trying to convince people one way or another.

The cumulative effect of so many sources of low level radiations surrounding us all of our daily lives is not known.

I don't use those ovens because I enjoy enough casual low level radiation in my day and like to get the most nutrition from the food I eat.

Funny story. When the cable guy was installing my internet years ago he had a signal reader for wifi. It displayed all the neighbors incoming signals. I turned on my microwave the signal spiked madly.

I then asked my neighbor to run her microwave and across the driveway through our walls he picked up the signal clearly.

Her microwave was reaching my couch.

Don't want one anymore.

The conclusions in the study you posted are straightforward sure, in that if you cook living things it is not good for that thing.
In terms of relevance to OP's concerns...the only relevance is that it's a study about microwaves.
As to getting nutrients from food - please explain how you think microwaving something destroys more nutrients?
You know what, I give up. By all means watch out for those deadly microwaves if it makes you feel better.

Thanks man!

good point!!

Learning the effects of extended periods of microwaving is still relevant though.

I will poat this as a reply to your comment as well. I have studied electromagnetism in depth.

Radio waves, radiation and microwaves are lower frequency light waves, they are of the same thing. An electrimagnetic wave in which the electric field and magnetic field propogate perpendicular to each other. There is very little, if any, harm from waves in the ~2.4Ghz spectrum, it is the same as some wifi routers. Additionally microwaves are heavily shielded and do not leak radiation much/at all. If your microwave ever interferes with your wifi throw it out, it is leaking radiation something is broken.

Source: I am an electrical engineer with a focus on electromagnetism.

Your wifi (14 signals from my neighborhood reach my computer)

your phone

your microwave

your hydro meter

your TV

your water usage meter

the web of hydro wires running through your city like arteries.

the eternally humming transformers and cable boxes.

All throwing out "harmless" radiation all day long next to the millions of households surrounding you doing the same thing.

Then there is industry.

At what point does the 24/7 saturation of the human in all this "harmless" radiation begin to have an effect?

I don't need to vibrate the nutrition out of my food so I avoid that one source of persistent low level radiation.

Look I dont claim to know how electromagnetic waves effect the human body, this post is about microwave ovens though. I am simply stating they shield the absolute fuck out of the radiation from microwave ovens, if they didnt your 2.4Ghz wifi wouldnt work, so no conspiracy about fucking microwave ovens.

Thermal radiation is already vibrating everything at about a billion times more intensely, so the "saturation" you are talking about is not even visible in comparison.

Cool.

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Radio waves known as Radiation. good luck avoiding it.

Radio waves, radiation and microwaves are high frequency light waves, they are of the ssme thing, and electrimagnetic wave in which the electric field and magnetic field orooogate peroendicular to each other. There is very little, if any, harm from waves in the ~2.4Ghz spectrum, it is the same as some wifi routers. Additionally microwaves are heavily shielded and do not leak radiation much/at all. If you microwave ever interferes with your wifi throw it out, it is leaking radiation something is broken.

Source: I am an electrical engineer with a focus on electromagnetism.

I had a microwave as a kid that would stay on when you opened the door. Fun times!

seriously!?

that's pretty nuts.

Yeah, thought it was hilarious at the time now I just think it was hilariously dangerous! Lol!

Much lower than visible waves actually.

It goes very low freq radio, AM radio, microwaves, thz waves, infrared, visible, uv, x ray gamma ray

microwaves are not good for the body

neither are thz wave (seen in airport chertoff lobby scanners)

Thank you for the correction!

As an ee, do you realize the front of micowave ovens is shielded incredibly poorly? Every single microwave oven I've measured leaded profusely. Were you aware the federal limits on allowable leakage is strikingly high. They're allowed to let up 50 Watts pass through a square meter (2in near the screen)---though generally when there's food in it 10 Watt/m/m, which over extended period is still enough to get cataracts.

http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/phys_agents/microwave_ovens.html

We all knew growing up that microwaves were harmful, same with mobile phones. Just seems that people dont talk about it anymore. Probably due to paid for studies, media manipulation etc.

In Russia people still don't really take to having a microwave oven in their homes. They think it's bad for health to cook food that way.

I had heard this as well, but never been to Russia. I used to think it was the beep at the end that emitted the radiation.

Colloquially, I had a friend who did some work with an appliance repair man. He explained how he saw a microwave work without the plastic cover over the front door. Apparently, something like the frequency of the waves are too big to get through the mesh that the plastic covers on the door,,,or something like that. I may be just spouting off, though.

It does seem probable, though, that heating foods up really high could, depending on the food, release or create some nasty chemicals that, if one ate of enough of, could be bad for one's health.

Presently doesn't stop me from nuking bacon in there from time to time, though.

I'm told they were banned in Soviet times for health reasons.

It is a myth https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-the-soviet-union-ban-microwaves-due-to-health-concerns/

I trust my Russian friend and a translation of a Russian site over Snopes, thanks. Curious that this is being suppressed.

It's not hard to abuse. Bring food close to boiling temperature and there can potentially be some harm.

Also, they are shielded very poorly. You might get cataracts if you stand right in front of a microwave, or very near it for extended time.

I heard a horror story about a badly shielded industrial strength microwave that cooked the bottom half of a chef. Scary.

I don't eat microwave food nor do I own a microwave simply because I am a food snob, microwave only warms up it doesn't bake properly so the food always comes out mushy.

Yep, I won't use em. I did some research a while back and found an article in English that said microwaves were totally okay and another in Russian that said there were major health concerns. (This was years ago, but I'll post links if I find them.) And a Russian friend of mine says they were banned in Soviet times for health reasons. IIRC they essentially destroy most nutrition of the food.

Keep in mind that many (most?) US restaurants use microwaves to warm their pre-prepared meals. One more reason to prepare your own.

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It seems plants watered with microwaved water are not harmed but it would be worth testing this yourself to confirm.

Consumer Reports stated no microwave you can buy screens all the escaping microwave radiation. They ALL LEAK. Here's how I checked mine.

Take a large parabolic stainless steel salad mixing bowl. Place a cup of water in your microwave. Turn it on. Now angle the salad bowl so it aims at the door like a satellite dish, toward the heating water. Angle the bowl up and down, left and right.

In my case the reflected microwave radiation destroyed the machine, it flat failed, died! That's the radiation your brain is getting while you fiddle with the creamer standing in front of it.

My microwave was tossed in a recycle bin and I will never replace it.

They make a good faraday cage in case of a huge CME or EMP.

Microwaves are just molecule stimulators. The magnetrons emit electromagnetic frequencies that resonate with water making the molecules excited, as they bounce around they release heat.

i moved mine to the garage and only use it occasionally

My family had a device that would allow us to wirelessly send a signal from the satellite tv receiver in our living room, to the tv in our kitchen. That way you could watch in the kitchen without having to buy a new receiver. But every time someone would turn on the microwave, the signal would be disrupted. And you would get static until the microwave went off. So the microwaves definitely emit something.

Microwaved food is disgusting, that's why. I only use mine for defrosting bacon and cooking frozen vegetables for my kid, who is a picky eater and that is the only way we can get her to eat a vegetable now and then.

I totally get where you are coming from though. I can't remember if it was a thought I naturally had or if it was based off of something I read, but many years ago when microwaving food was I believe way more common, I wondered if the people who ate a lot of microwaved food would get cancer at a higher rate.

Oooh, here's another fun fact about microwaves I know... I heard that in the original gulf war, the Iraqi's used to bury microwaves in the sand out in the desert door up, and rig them to work with the door open, and during raids turn them on to attract bombs. Something about the radiation looking like a large target to the electronic equipment guiding the bombs. So in effect they would trade a $100 microwave for a million dollar bomb. Of course I have no way of knowing if that is true or not.

Been wanting to do so experiments with microwaved water. Take two equal quantities of water. Microwave one to boiling and let cool and heat the other to boiling and let cool. Water plants with both. Or just microwave one and leave the other, and then water plants.

In theory the water should be the same, but who knows the world is a mysterious thing. Do we really KNOW for sure the microwave doesn't do something to the water to make it deleterious? Easily testable someday.

Look I dont claim to know how electromagnetic waves effect the human body, this post is about microwave ovens though. I am simply stating they shield the absolute fuck out of the radiation from microwave ovens, if they didnt your 2.4Ghz wifi wouldnt work, so no conspiracy about fucking microwave ovens.

Thermal radiation is already vibrating everything at about a billion times more intensely, so the "saturation" you are talking about is not even visible in comparison.

Cool.

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