supposedly wheat can and is dried with glyphosate, some people think that's why people have become gluten intolerant, because some of the bad stuff is still in there... disclaimer, i have not researched that topic whatsoever but stumble upon it at regular intervals

stumbled upon this which i will probably read later...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/

I think I've recently become gluten-intolerant. I have chronic gas whenever I consume something with gluten. When I don't, my gas levels are normal. It's the weirdest thing, and I wish I knew what was causing this and how to cure it without having to severely alter my diet.

It could be from my constant eating out. Restaurants always find the least expensive food to purchase. It's probably riddled with glyphosate, and here I am, now. Would strictly eating at home reverse this? Hard to tell, but It'd be good to make a change to one of my habits.

well, if it's altered gut fauna, maybe the right probiotics could help

That's an interesting thought. Any clue as to what a good probiotic be? Yogurt, kefir, etc?

I think exactly that... i would try to look into what species are available that could specifically assist with wheat/carbs digestion... still steering away from processed food is not a bad idea either

Thanks, I'll look into it.

I've, surprisingly, been able to abstain from processed foods for the most part. It's been one of the best changed I've made.

Hey OP there is a fantastic post about the link between gluten intolerance and glysophates with a ton of research and links over at r/C_S_T , 3rd Top post of all time. You should check it out, it might clear some things up for you.

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Thanks for linking it I have no idea how to lol

I was going to say what a polite and helpful person you are, but your username kinda already said it for me lol.

Gluten and the other lectins in wheat objectively have inflammatory properties whether you tolerate it or not. You shouldn't eat it (or at least make it a staple in your diet) anyway so the whole thing about modern wheat being worse than traditionally isn't much interesting. In all cases rice has always been a superior, hypoallergenic option.

Calling yourself celiac without a diagnoses is like telling people you have cancer because of a new mole on your body. I have had diagnosed celiac for ten years. You could have an allergy. Actual celiac means the villi in your small intestine are being destroyed

Celiac is different than gluten intolerance. Celiac is a genetic condition where your body has an auto immune response to gluten. Gluten intolerance is when you can’t tolerate gluten but don’t have the genetic condition that is celiacs.

Gluten intolerance = glyphosate poisoning.

Celiacs = genetic hereditary condition where you can’t eat wheat.

Either way, the studies all conclude glyphosate is a poison. Actually a derivative of agent orange I believe. I I recall correctly after Vietnam they just had barrels of this stuff sitting around as glyphosate was used to make agent orange. They buried any and all research, rebranded it as a pesticide and started selling it to Americans, farmers, and cities all over the country.

This happened around the same time wheat was genetically modified to contain more gluten which is a binder protein. They then started using glyphosate on the gmo crops and the wheat gluten (which there was more of) started binding with it. This means pretty much any good made with wheat also now has various levels of detectable glyphosate in them. This includes: Cereals, pastas, breads, cookies, crackers, and anything breaded.

The symptoms from glyphosate are much different than celiacs. Celiacs have an actual auto-immune response where their body starts to attack the intestines. Glyphosate has neurological symptoms, as well as GI symptoms, skin conditions, liver issues, kidney problems, and presents similarly to an auto-immune disease but without the immune system attacking your own body.

It also seems to leave the body fairly quickly if you stop consuming it. But once you’ve reached a peak sensitivity to glyphosate poisoning you start reacting to the tiniest amounts.

Wheat also contains lectins and are naturally inflammatory and shouldn’t really be consumed by humans anyway. Wheat was a famine food historically for slaves and peasants. The wealthy elite didn’t really eat it and still don’t.

Agent orange was an herbicide used to clear jungles, comprised of two different herbicides developed in the 40s. Why would you like about something so mundane and trivial? Even the people making agent orange knew the dangers of it and warned the government, but due to wartime manufacturing laws the government was able to force them to produce it.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-agent-orange-and-what-is-it-relationship-to-roundup

It’s manufactured by the same companies that manufactured agent orange. My bad. Didn’t mean to conflate the two.

Definitely don't use either of the diets listed...

Carbohydrates are an essential part of your diet for energy production.

Claims presented without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

Actually that’s not true.

The human body is actually much more efficient when powered off of fats and proteins. Especially the brain.

Carbs aren’t necessary for a healthy diet. That’s a myth propagate by the US government and food pyramid / food industry. The same food pyramid that matches the same method farmers use to fatten cattle.

There’s plenty of research to indicate ketogenic diets are perfectly natural and healthy. Many people thrive on them, the same way some people thrive on vegan diets. Everyone is different, and keto is a perfectly natural and healthy diet to explore and see if it’s right for you.

You’re actually the one spreading misinformation.

You have no sources again? Oh boy.

You're literally spreading USDA propaganda. Just like the sugar industry.

Low-carbohydrate diets can lead to weight gain and heightened risk of heart disease, according to a new study in Sweden. As part of an effort to reduce heart disease risk in the 1980s, more than 140,000 individuals were encouraged to decrease their fat intake. They did so, and their cholesterol levels fell—for a while. However, in the early 2000s, the low-carbohydrate diet fad led many of these individuals to forgo healthful carbohydrates and eat fattier foods instead. The results were higher cholesterol levels and overall increased heart disease risk.

Remember the Atkins diet? He died of a heart attack for a reason.

http://www.pcrm.org/health/medNews/low-carb-diets-increase-heart-disease-risk

Carbohydrates are the main source of calories in a healthy diet and are the primary fuel for the brain and muscles. Typically, about three-fourths of daily calories should come from carbohydrates.

http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/recipes/complex-carbohydrates-vs-simple-carbohydrates

Actually ketogenic diets help people lose weight: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/

Here's a list of several dozen studies proving keto based diets are healthy to try: https://www.ketovale.com/low-carb-keto-diet-studies-list/

"Two recent studies concluded that the low-carbohydrate diet can increase life span. However, there is still plenty of controversy surrounding the Keto diet." https://www.healthline.com/health-news/keto-diet-can-help-you-live-longer-researchers-say

"Ketogenic Diets Have "Profound Effect on Brain Function," Studies Find" http://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirituality/ketogenic-diets-promote-longevity-and-memory

This is so easy to Google and research.

Here's two other threads on this very forum about this issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/764tds/the_most_harmful_conspiracy_ever_in_the_history/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8i5z86/the_food_pyramid_how_the_us_government_continues/

Atkins diet was not the same as keto or paleo, although similar Atkins had a specific routine to his diet and his personal health is not an indicator of an entire diet. People die, it happens.

Unfortunately, you've fallen for good old fashioned American propaganda spread for 50-60 years by the sugar industry and lobbyists. The human body actually does not require carbohydrates, its a short term energy supply. Fat and protein are actually the bodies longterm energy supplies. While we do need to do some research on the longterm effects of keto, the short term effects are profound and have helped heal many people of chronic illnesses.

In fact, you don't even need to eat daily. Go check out r/fasting and see how many people fast regularly or do intermittent fasting. It also has profound health benefits and can actually induce stem cell production and help repair the body. You only need to eat maybe 1-2 times per day, and can sustain fasts regularly up to 48-74 hours regularly, especially if you are healthy and have extra fat to burn.

I have now provided close to a hundred medical research studies proving you wrong. My guess is you're either not going to reply to this or try and insult me in your next reply because of cognitive bias, but I assure you what I am telling you is true. I have been using keto based diets for years now, and recovered from several chronic illnesses as a result and rarely have GI symptoms now thanks to diet modification.

You have yet to refute my claims you just posted one scientific article and some buzzfeed tier articles about keto diets.

What's the natural human diet?

https://www.foodpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/201510291349.pdf

Even if our bodies were designed by natural selection to eat mostly fruit, greens and seeds for 90% of our evolution, why didn’t we better adapt to meat-eating in the last 10%, during the Paleolithic? We’ve had nearly two million years to get used to all that extra saturated fat and cholesterol. If a lifetime of eating like that clogs up nearly everyone’s arteries, why didn’t the genes of those who got heart attacks die off and get replaced by those who could live to a ripe old age with clean arteries, regardless what they ate?

Because most didn’t survive into old age; they didn’t live long enough to get heart attacks. When the average life expectancy is 25, then the genes that get passed along are those that can just get us to reproductive age by any means necessary, and that means not dying of starvation. So the higher the calorie foods, the better. So eating lots of bone marrow and brains, human and otherwise, would have a selective advantage, as would discovering a time machine stash of Twinkies, for that matter. If we just have to live long enough to get our kids to puberty to pass along our genes, then we don’t have to evolve any protections against the ravages of chronic disease.

To find a population nearly free of chronic disease in old age, we don’t have to go back a million years. In the 20th century, networks of missionary hospitals in rural Africa found coronary artery disease virtually absent–and not just heart disease, but high blood pressure, stroke, diabetes, common cancers, and on down the list.

In a sense, these populations in rural China and Africa were eating the type of diet we’ve been eating for 90% of our last 20 or so million years–a diet almost exclusively of plant foods. How do we know it was their diet that protected them, and not something else?

In the 25-year update to their original Paleo paper, the authors tried to clarify that they did not then, and do not now, propose that people adopt a particular diet just based on what our ancient ancestors ate. Dietary recommendations must be put to the test. That’s why the pioneering research of Pritikin, Ornish, and Esselstyn is so important, showing that plant-based diets can not only stop heart disease, but have been proven to reverse it in the majority of patients. Indeed, it’s the only diet that ever has–perhaps because that’s what we ate through the vast majority of our evolution.

The best part about science is that it's true whether or not you want it to be.

I did refute your claims. You claimed carbs are necessary, they aren't. You claimed keto based diets cause weight gain, they actually do the opposite. You claimed I didn't have any sources, I provided links to dozens of studies proving you wrong.

You then ignored most of those studies, and are continue to spread food pyramid style propaganda. In fact, you're actually now arguing in favor of a vegan diet essentially which is fine. You should have just done that in the first place, I do believe vegan diets and alkaline diets are beneficial for some people and different health conditions. However, the same is try of keto diets.

We all come from different genetic backgrounds and handle different foods differently. We all also have different health problems, and in the case of auto-immune issues there is science to support specific carb diets are beneficial for healing the digestive system so that people can eventually eat more carbs again. The intention of the GAPS diet for example is to give your body the nutrition it needs from bone broths to heal the intestinal lining. It's a short term diet for repairing the digestive system. It is not a lifestyle diet.

I agree science is true whether you want it to be or not, which is why I provided plenty of science to prove your claims inaccurate.

The fact of the matter is keto is just as viable a diet as veganism, and even if you are a vegan you shouldn't be eating processed wheats and GMOs. What you eat matters, and wheat is not healthy for human consumption.

Thanks.

Yeah at the same though it’s good to correct the record for other people reading.

Sometimes people are so programmed and brainwashed they can’t handle the truth initially, but eventually it sinks in.

Or they’re just a shill.

Glyphosate likely does alter the microbiome and could cause longterm issues if it is killing off beneficial bacteria but I don't know. That needs to be studied further, but is not outside the realm of possibility to have longterm side effects from glyphosate exposure.

Short term glyphosate poisoning is entirely different. This doesn't mean you can just stop eating glyphosate products and then feast on them years later, you will get sick every time you eat anything that contains glyphosate. The thing is a lot of people eat glyphosate and get symptoms such as brain fog and fatigue and don't realize they're experiencing glyphosate poisoning.

No one is immune to glyphosate, just some people notice it more than others and once your immune system identifies it as poison and starts reacting to it every time you eat more of it you will get sick. Some people process it quickly and don't notice as many side effects from it.

If for example you do not have celiacs but have identified you are "gluten sensitive" then were to eat organic wheat you grew at home yourself without glyphosate and from a wheat plant without extreme gluten levels and eat it then you probably wouldn't get sick. If someone with celiacs were to do this they would still get sick.

As for gut flora, yes mushrooms are amazing. Turkeytail I've heard is really good for gut flora, I really like reishi, cordyceps, chaga, shiitake, and a few others. They've made a huge impact on my overall health and digestive issues. Host Defense is an awesome brand.

Yeah mushrooms are powerful for improving health issues. I’ve tried a lot of supplements, drugs, etc. and non-psycho active mushrooms like lions maine, reishi, cordyceps, chaga, etc. can truly heal a variety of health problems, give you more energy, and improve everything from energy to digestion.

They’re totally overlooked by most people, but they’re the real deal when it comes to healing.

Buddy of mine randomly became gluten intolerant after moving to Europe. It took him about three years to narrow it down to gluten. He initially thought it was lactose but eventually figured it out. Doctors thought he was faking it just to get on disability benefits... even though he was basically laying in bed with stomach cramps for 90% of the day.

Glyphosate doesn't smell anything like cat piss in any of the formulations I've used.

What other chemicals? They all have very specific chemistry, I'm just wondering what exactly you are claiming here.

You're very unreceptive and defensive to simple questions about your claims. What is your angle here?

So please - share any stories, information, research and studies Apparently

Dr Art Ayers claims in his blog most of these autoimmune disorders are the result of disrupted gut flora.

Everything is eaten with bread, it amazes me how it barely has nutrition qualities but everything has it.

Hey I don’t know what it is either but when I eat gluten my arthritis kicks in to overdrive and cripples me. The only thing that helps is cannabis, thank god. Wish I could eat it but just thinking about the pain it will cause is enough to stop that thought. I also eat organic and do the best I can to avoid glyphosate in case that is the problem.

Did you start any anti depressants when you noticed the ltheargy?

Lucky you

The best video and comprehensive source of information on this topic I have found: https://youtu.be/n-x0Vbbjdo0

stumbled upon this which i will probably read later...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/

well, if it's altered gut fauna, maybe the right probiotics could help