Thanks for making a post about this War...it's really strange that no one has been talking about it...or even noticed.

ohhhhh. It's all about you...

Fine...have an upvote.

We've been aware of it for only an hour or two, and have noticed interesting things unrelated to this.

You're as plugged in as we are at this point, boss.

Stops in...makes cryptic statement...and leaves us hanging. Bad JCP...bad bad bad...no donut for you.

Dude nobody knows what's going on.

We just rent space here.

Oh..I believe you...don't worry about that...

"We just rent space here"...Ahhh...a double entendre

Oh..I believe you...don't worry about that...I was talking about the "noticed some interesting things unrelated to this" part...

I received some weird PMs from reddit.com this morning that are quite odd.

"We just rent space here"...Ahhh...a double entendre

Well, I'm not the one paying. I volunteer my time.

OK...I understand. I'm not going to pry.

Mods on r/conspiracy...says he doesn't pay a price...

I received some weird PMs from reddit.com this morning that are quite odd.

Aw come on now, you can't give us crumbs like that! :(

I'll make a post about it tonight and we can all discuss it and what I think it was all about.

Deal?

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I like it.

I didn't notice his name and spent way too long wondering how the this was about 'war'

It's too bad War didn't answer back with "Suicide, I hope it makes it to the top". You'd have been confused all day, lol.

I immediately thought it was about the “information war”. Then saw username.

it's really strange that no one has been talking about it

Because many of us have been witness to "Rule 10" bans for stating basically the same thing this post is about.

That's no inconvenience thanks for the heads up!

This makes me suspicious as to how strongly they're pushing for the current brand of "net neutrality".

Protecting Net Neutrality is about keeping us from having to pay extra to visit certain parts of the web.

Well, that clears that up..

No, it's about keeping Reddit, and Google, and Netflix from having to pay extra to ISPs for their incredibly high and overbearing level of traffic compared to other sites on the web. That's why they are pushing for NN so hard, and trying to scare you into thinking it's YOUR costs that will rise (which they will, but in ways like Netflix raising their prices, not Verizon charging you. They already do that with how much "bandwith" you want).

Not to mention, they are pushing the idea that the only way to stop the big bad ISPs is if you hand over control of the internet to Big Daddy Government (aka the FCC), and let THEM protect you... not just from ISPs, but eventually also from "dangerous radical content"... ya know, like right leaning websites, or anyone that speaks out against the narrative.

It boggles my mind how much I see CONSPIRACY THEORISTS in a subreddit for CONSPIRACIES argue for government control over the internet. It really makes you wonder how "organic" all the support really is, or how much of it is from vote bots searching for keywords.

It really makes you wonder how "organic" all the support really is, or how much of it is from vote bots searching for keywords

I estimate around 40-45% human interactions on average on the net, rest are either bots or public opinion manipulators

Yeah, but small companies will have to pay too. And these days, most startups are already eating losses. As a big company, you can compensate by volume and thanks to the economy of scale. If google would pay off all ISPs to prioritize their traffic it would put quite a bit of pressure on every future competitor.

Yeah, but small companies will have to pay too.

Pay what? Small companies already pay a server to host their content. If an ISP starts overcharging smaller companies, then guess what? Other ISPs will arise in order to fill that market demand. Government regulation is what has caused the incredible lack of independent ISPs in the first place. The reason we have virtually no choices in the market is also the reason they are able to price gouge.

If google would pay off all ISPs to prioritize their traffic it would put quite a bit of pressure on every future competitor.

So all we need is a regulation against things like that. Basic antitrust laws. That's it. We don't need to hand over control of the entire internet to the FCC. THAT'S the part that the pro-NN people aren't being told.

Pay what? Small companies already pay a server to host their content.

Yeah, now they got to pay off the ISPs too unless they want to offer a shit-tier experience for their customers.

If google would pay off all ISPs to prioritize their traffic it would put quite a bit of pressure on every future competitor.

So all we need is a regulation against things like that. Basic antitrust laws. That's it. We don't need to hand over control of the entire internet to the FCC. THAT'S the part that the pro-NN people aren't being told.

Yes, this anti-trust law is called net-neutrality, which means that a ISP cannot prefer traffic on a "company" basis, only on a service basis.

overnment regulation is what has caused the incredible lack of independent ISPs in the first place.

Lol, Switzerland has faster Internet than the USA and a way better selection of ISPs, despite also being harsher regulated. Companies need to whacked when they start doing shit like monopolizing, not free reign because "muh free market"

Yes, this anti-trust law is called net-neutrality, which means that a ISP cannot prefer traffic on a "company" basis, only on a service basis.

Your lack of understanding of basic economics aside, are you saying that you agree that handing over control of the internet to the FCC is the only way to prevent these "evil ISPs" from screwing over the consumer? Because that's what Net Neutrality is.

Lol, Switzerland has faster Internet than the USA and a way better selection of ISPs, despite also being harsher regulated. Companies need to whacked when they start doing shit like monopolizing, not free reign because "muh free market"

Again, basic misunderstanding of what a free market means. Thanks to government regulation, we have nothing even CLOSE to a free market, especially when it comes to ISPs. Switzerland is a shit example to compare us to because it has the same population as NYC.

Your lack of understanding of basic economics aside, are you saying that you agree that handing over control of the internet to the FCC is the only way to prevent these "evil ISPs" from screwing over the consumer? Because that's what Net Neutrality is.

Net Neutrality is a set of principles. Net Neutrality legislation establishes that the government is in charge of enforcing these principles. We do the exact same thing with anti-trust laws. Would you say then that with these anti-trust laws we have handed over control of our economy to the department of justice? No, because that would be an obtuse exaggeration. If you're specifically upset about the FCC having a role with enforcing anti-trust regulations, then work towards putting together a law which will task some other executive agency with enforcing net neutrality regulations.

So what are these principles you’re talking about, and how have ISPs “shown time and time again that they are willing to violate those principles”?

And you really don’t see how easily FCC enforcement of these “principles” you speak of can be expanded upon, to eventually include things like preventing “harmful content” like we see on TV and radio? If you want curse words and nudity, better PAY EXTRA for those premium channels or satellite radio that don’t have to answer to the FCC! Yet you think they will help ensure that you won’t have to pay extra for internet? It’s an insane example of doublethink, and everyone is just eating it right up because Reddit won’t stop forcing artificially upvoted posts about supporting it on every goddamn subreddit for months in order to project the belief that it has widespread public support.

So what are these principles you’re talking about,

Here is some public knowledge.

and how have ISPs “shown time and time again that they are willing to violate those principles”?

Here's how.

And you really don’t see how easily FCC enforcement of these “principles” you speak of can be expanded upon, to eventually include things like preventing “harmful content” like we see on TV and radio?

And you really don't see how you can say that about anything anyone ever does in the history of human civilization? You can apply slippery slope logic to any argument. The only recourse for anything, any policy, any government regulation, and corporate oligarchy, any abuse of power, is to be vigilant.That's all you can do. All you can do is pay attention to when the slope starts slipping, and stop a bad thing from happening. Right now, the absence of NN regulation is worse than the presence of NN regulation.

If you want curse words and nudity, better PAY EXTRA for those premium channels or satellite radio that don’t have to answer to the FCC!

Fine if you have a problem specifically with the FCC, have another executive agency enforce the NN regulations, I don't care.

Yet you think they will help ensure that you won’t have to pay extra for internet? It’s an insane example of doublethink

Fine, not the FCC then. Some other agency designed by /u/DontReadOnMe16. Please lay out what executive agency would work better for us moronic peasants.

and everyone is just eating it right up because Reddit won’t stop forcing artificially upvoted posts about supporting it on every goddamn subreddit for months in order to project the belief that it has widespread public support.

Perhaps, although it does have widespread support as well.

The don't tread on me types always want monopolies. They want no government to enforce laws in the first place. Free market above all, taxation is theft, the FCC is evil.

You just clearly demonstrated that you don’t really know the first thing about what “don’t tread on me types” want. Breaking up monopolies is actually one of the few legitimate purposes of government, so I’m not sure where you even got that idea. Taxation is theft, but in our current system it’s really the only way to ensure public goods (roads, fire/police departments... not things like college or healthcare). And the FCC isn’t necessarily “evil”, it’s just a bloated government agency that will always try to increase its reach of power and influence, because that is what government agencies do. I’m against expanding the power of any government program or agency, pretty much of any kind across the board.

Believing in small government doesn’t mean I support complete anarchy and think all government is evil. It’s just inefficient. The closer you get to local government, the more efficiently it runs. The bigger you get (aka the federal government) the less efficient and more power hungry it becomes. Not to mention, sweeping legislation that covers every state at once should only be used for issues like the national guard or military (and a few minor other issues that require a national standard). Other than that, laws that Californians need are very different from laws that people from Ohio need.

I clearly know exactly what I'm talking about. Unregulated capitalism is your goal. In unregulated capitalism, monopolies are the goal.

It's like you tried so hard to disagree with what I said then reinforced what I said.

If you're not for unregulated capitalism, you're just a plain ole liberal who wants to pay no taxes.

I clearly know exactly what I'm talking about. Unregulated capitalism is your goal. In unregulated capitalism, monopolies are the goal.

LOL ok. You're wrong, but if you want to continue thinking you know what you're talking about then by all means, go for it. Don't expect too many people to ever take you seriously, though. Except maybe other people that are equally as ignorant.

Okay let's take the guy seriously complaining about capitalistic regulations.

it’s just a bloated government agency that will always try to increase its reach of power and influence, because that is what government agencies do.

This is what all humans do, humans working for corporations included.

not things like college or healthcare

I wonder why college and healthcare systems are so blatantly superior when there is more government intervention then? Even private healthcare and private schools perform better and cost less in countries that regulate these things better/differently than we do in the U.S.

Believing in small government doesn’t mean I support complete anarchy and think all government is evil. It’s just inefficient.

Government does tend to become more inefficient the larger it gets. If you've ever worked for a giant corporation, you'd see that the same can be said for basically any organization.

The closer you get to local government, the more efficiently it runs.

Perhaps we can say generally speaking, but I'm not so sure. I've seen plenty of incredibly inefficient local governments that are small, also ones that are large.

The bigger you get (aka the federal government) the less efficient and more power hungry it becomes.

I think we can say that the larger a government is, the more room for error there is, and thus the more room for inefficiency. I generally advocate for smaller governments, and smaller businesses, too. The globalist multinational corporation can be one of the least empirically efficient things on the planet, only made profitable by leveraging the disparity between international markets.

Not to mention, sweeping legislation that covers every state at once should only be used for issues like the national guard or military (and a few minor other issues that require a national standard).

I generally agree with this sentiment, but net neutrality policies affect everyone that uses internet, in the world, not just America, or Texas, or New York. There is a strong case for having the government enforce legislation which promotes net neutrality principles.

Basic antitrust laws. That's it. We don't need to hand over control of the entire internet to the FCC.

Yep. And a lot of the problems are caused by the deals the ISPs have with the local municipal governments, which makes it very hard for competitors to enter the market. That and the fact that ISPs will often choose not to compete in the same markets. We need to call these ISPs what they are: cartels.

Telling the cartels to play nice with NN legislation will do nothing to increase competition and will only help the industry to consolidate further.

Telling the cartels to play nice with NN legislation will do nothing to increase competition and will only help the industry to consolidate further.

I agree, but NN legislation has nothing to do with increasing or decreasing competition in the IS market. It's about mitigating vertical competition between tangential industries. Most of these ISPs are divisions of larger media companies that compete with the same companies that are being throttled and held hostage for bribes.

But NN legislation isn't really doing anything to stop that vertical integration or collusive practices between ISPs and content providers; it merely restricts one aspect of that practice, the throttling of traffic based on its source. We will still have vertical integration of media companies and ISPs, and we'll still have monopolies and duopolies in most residential ISP markets. It doesn't stop the root cause of the problem, but does let the government get its foot in the door to regulate the internet.

mitigating vertical competition

I.e. these ISPs competing with content providers through what can only be described as anti-trust violating business practices of throttling. I made no reference to vertical integration with the exception of those ISPs being owned by content creating media companies, but that isn't something I address as a problem that needs to be mitigated by NN regulation.

but does let the government get its foot in the door to regulate the internet.

Regulation is only bad if the legislation which designs that regulation is bad. You have to consider the consequences of any policy, regulation or not. There are good policies, and there are bad policies. Regulation is not automatically good or bad, and de-regulation is not automatically bad or good.

Pay what? Small companies already pay a server to host their content. If an ISP starts overcharging smaller companies, then guess what? Other ISPs will arise in order to fill that market demand.

No they won't. In theory they would. In actuality they won't.

Government regulation is what has caused the incredible lack of independent ISPs in the first place.

That's actually very true, but we should get rid of municipal corruption and anti-trust violating regulation which actually keeps independent ISPs out of the market first, then get rid of net neutrality (if that is your goal, anyway). 28% of Americans have one choice of ISP, 65% have two choices or less, and 98% of Americans have three choices or less for their internet service. Comcast and Charter together have about 50% of the market (thanks to the Time Warner buyout from Charter), and the next ten biggest ISPs together have 45% of the market. You have to break that shit up like flour in a cake mix before you can even think about getting rid of net neutrality legislation (which I understand is already gone, yes). If your expectation is that deregulation will magically solve the problem of net neutrality abuse, you're unrealistic. It will take a lot of work to make something that will even resemble a healthy market incapable of violating net neutrality principles, and even then it won't be guaranteed to last. Net Neutrality legislation is a far better solution. IMO we should do both, deregulate the local markets and put NN legislation in.

Why is everyone that’s responding to me COMPLETELY AVOIDING the fact that we are handing he keys to the internet over to the god damn FCC??? In all your rambling, you’ve said nothing to touch on the number one reason why everyone should be against net neutrality besides big government and big corporations.

NN legislation does NOT require FCC regulation, yet everyone just accepts it as if it’s the only choice. And that is absolutely astounding to me.

NN legislation does NOT require FCC regulation, yet everyone just accepts it as if it’s the only choice. And that is absolutely astounding to me.

Like I said, what other executive agency would you rather have enforce NN regulations? I'm open to it, I've stated that elsewhere. I don't care so long as NN principles are defended.

Other ISPs will arise in order to fill that market demand.

This is the tricky part for pro-NN people. They feel large ISPs effectively have monopolies and that this won't happen. I don't know enough to pass judgement here. Maybe Comcast has to share their fiber with startup ISPs, maybe not.

I mean Google is already throwing their hat in the ring, Elon Musk wants to offer global internet via satellites. Competitors will come. The ISP’s oligopoly (not monopoly, yet anyway) isn’t going to be able to stop market entry, regardless of how established they already are. People will leave them, and they will begin to lose their power.

Yeah that's fair, but those aren't widely available yet. This is a hard one, I usually have an opinion on everything but this one stumps me. Trump and that ATT guy forced the issue.

No, it's about keeping Reddit, and Google, and Netflix from having to pay extra to ISPs for their incredibly high and overbearing level of traffic compared to other sites on the web.

Yes, and anti-net neutrality is about keeping Reddit, Google, and Netflix from having to pay extra to ISPs for their competition with Cable services provided by ISPs. Right now you're thinking, "how does reddit compete with cable services?". What does reddit provide? A portal to access information. What do cable companies host? News channels. What portal are people accessing their news from now? Reddit, sending them to news outlets' sites (many of which aren't owned by the same companies that own news channels). Where did people used to access news? From cable television. Who wants a cut of the money being siphoned from cable providers and the channels they hosted? Everyone pushing anti-net neutrality.

Why not both? Everybody just wants money.

I am for net neutrality because I would rather the internet be structured in such a way that all websites and their users paid a standard fee for a standard service that didn't change according to bandwidth use. I hate the model used by cell service, and I don't want it to weasel its way into my broadband, too, nevermind the consequences of hostage taking by ISPs.

So you’re totally cool with the FCC controlling the internet as a result?

the FCC controlling the internet as a result

No, I'm not, similarly to how I would not be okay with the department of justice controlling the entire economy because of anti-trust laws. Thankfully for us both, that's not even remotely how this works.

It’s about establishing the precedent. Government always takes more power, never less. Ever. You start with the giving the FCC a little bit, they will take more and more. Also, Net Neutrality is not even close to anti-trust laws to make any comparison like that.

You're right, Net Neutrality goes above and beyond anti-trust laws to also include components of consumer protections, which I happen to like.

Government always takes more power, never less. Ever. You start with the giving the FCC a little bit, they will take more and more.

Fine, give it to a different agency. Still have a problem?

we can't be allowed to communicate. it's been deemed too dangerous. 'they' keep ramping up the measures to stop us from discussing. I think it reassuring, we're poking in the right directions and they're upset about it.

Why not set up an invite-only Slack channel?

Or maybe the time is coming for whatever they have truly planned

Taking us to...

possibly both

i get this feeling too

https://saidit.net

Wouldn't be surprised if a few subs have their mods mysteriously replaced in the next week. It's getting to be around that time.

Archive the modlists (and their orders).

Reddit has now changed something on their end to stop Github from functioning.

Github is a version control platform and static website host; Reddit hasn't done anything to stop Github. Snew.github.io is one such static site, that pulls content from the u/publicmodlogs account, and hence from the subs that account mods. Near as I can tell, they've suspended the u/publicmodlogs account, so we can't use public mod logs.

If anyone has suggestions on a work around, please contact me or the mod team. I think I can speak for all of us in saying we want to get something up to replace it if this is going to be permanent.

Not a problem; you'd just have a lot of software devs out there shitting bricks if Github as a whole went down.

Thanks for the heads up on modlogs.fyi. I'll bring that up for the mod team to discuss.

Thanks for the info CH...that helps.

Did you contact the author of the tool? That probably would bring some insight to what happened instead of having to guess.

Did reddit ban imgur also? I recently tried to post an imgur link and the post doesn’t show up if I log out.

What do you mean by stop functioning? Are you talking about links or embedded content? Otherwise I don't see how Reddit could impact github functionality in any way.

I appreciate that you acknowledge this. I have difficult times sometimes with technical claims made on this sub. Do you think you could edit your main post to note this, as there are plenty of people here thinking something happened, and then taking those thoughts further down an imagined rabbit-hole.

I don't think you have to apologize, I'm happy you learned. Tech can be confusing, even for those deeply involved with it.

Can you explain what you are claiming actually happened?

I'll note Reddit was never a powerful tool for free speech, and GitHub still works fine.

I saw your note later, and I appreciate it. I just often see on /r/conspiracy a misunderstanding of technology leading to an unfounded conspiracy that many jump on.

I feel you did a good job of learning from your post and correcting your error. You'll see though in the other top-level posts a good deal of people who made out their assumptions hearing this tidbit and doing no further research. There were a few other network/server people around here to provide information.

Well, the option was to not make a post addressing the issue until we entirely understood the technicalities, while rumors fly of a conspiracy within the mod community to hide the logs from our users. In my opinion, the latter would be worse misinformation and do more damage to the community than transparently working out some confusion over technicalities.

I didn't hear anything until this post appeared and made rumors fly. Since you are not OP though, I'm not sure why you are speaking for their internal reasons.

Also, there are plenty of people here who saw the initial post, and didn't get the correction.

Transparency is always good. However, the initial post was very unclear on what it was talking about on a technical level as well as it's supposed impact. Look at the title of this post. Perhaps something more like "We're having issues with an important tool we use for this site. It might just be a momentary website issue, we will investigate and provide an update within 48 hours."

I'm answering because OP and I had discussed it before he made the post because I was busy with other mod work. At the time of posting there were several comments here and in other subs that the mod team had taken down the logs.

First let me say that I appreciate your work as a mod. It can often be a thankless job, and I'm sure the brigaders as well as our own "natural" subscribers can cause a lot of headaches. I'm giving my advice below, in an attempt to explain how I saw things, why, and give advice.

My main issues with the post was that it was no described why it was important, nor an understanding of the issue being faced. The latter would allow us to determine if it was true (as someone working on a github project at the time, I was confused), as well as how to help/workaround the issue.

The phrasing "lost today" also makes it seem like it's gone and nothing could be done about it.

For me this post would have ideally been something like this:

An unknown issue has just occurred with "X," which is key to the running of /r/conspiracy because of "Y." We're currently investigating to find out if this is a passing technical issue or if we are being actively censored. Please standby for further announcements. In the meantime ....

Then I would have made sure that post was stickied until we knew what the issue and it was resolved.

I gave up on democratically open reddit when i was labelled a russian trolled twice by r/news when i was perma banned from commenting the first time i was ever banned on reddit on 4years.

Recent ban I got was on r.thathappened a totally satire sub making fun of people, for get this. Referring to an ugly fat lady as landwhale. But that was a temp 24h ban so more like a time out by some triggered mod.

Reddit since 2016 election has been lost to agendas. Entire gaming and halo subs are constantly spammed with images with conveniently places Mt dew cans in them. Some post even saying hey guys, 'member the good ol days' south park memberries lol.

Everything is an ad. Southpark already did a social commentary on this. Time to move on and either accept this, of slowly let it consume you/. I am just waiting till the content becomes unbearable and i too will move. prolly to 4chan or something. Who knows.

Who owns reddit?

Hey I think I don't understand!

Let me see if I can get it... You're saying the only tool for keeping an eye on mods is now gone?

It seems all this important sites always do moves ahead of events, like Twitter augmenting the tweet's length to 180 characters when Trump got to office... Now reddit does this.

When the internet started it was viewed as the greatest thing ever, information, knowledge, education, communication, networking etc etc. Then the internet became power, power to learn, understand, know the truth be free. Then the government and big businesses became scared knowing this but reacted to late. The internet was open. Now they are in damage control, doing everything in their power to control this information and stop the truth. Knowledge is power.

They are desperately trying to control the system they must have to control and manipulate us.

They want us online consuming and talking about lies not facts. This sub is a fine example, and as we have seen on every sub that relates to economics and politics there are a lot of paid operators to create a false record of the current dialog.

Remove actual human input comments, replace it with canned comments.

I guess if you believe everything on the internet. Me, I’m on the conspiracy site. I only believe 4% of what’s on the internet and that went up 1% from last year (since I’ve found more functional medicine sites). Well maybe the masses I guess believe everything including the government.

My point being is it is getting very difficult to obtain any information not on the internet but what we are given is false. The problem lies within the population that has never had any other source for information and no method or experience in how to sort it out, the real from the unreal.

Here is the list of subs who used the now disabled public mod logs -

https://np.reddit.com/r/subredditcancer/comments/8jxph6/over_300_subs_and_millions_of_users_rely_on/

Over 300 subs and millions of users rely on u/publicmodlogs to make reddit moderation transparent in the absence of an official feature to do so. Reddit has now blocked this workaround.

If you're looking for alternatives, we made one at https://saidit.net

Your post got reported several times, too.

Yeah fuck me for trying to provide alternatives, right? It seems like the real users mostly left months ago and it's just shills and bots now

Holy shit this is literally just reddit with a different name and no mod cancer or mass censorship yet. I'm in.

Welcome!

The black vault has a bunch of FoI stuff, and a great alternative as well

Note to /u/fthumb & /u/NetWeaselSC

https://www.reddit.com/r/uncensorednews/ Just noticed that this sub is gone too. I'm probably late to the party though

Ask the question why they would do this and the questions lead to troubling conclusions.

Creator and lazy maintainer of /u/publicmodlogs here. The account was suspended by the admins ostensibly due to security breach concerns until I reset the password. Brief writeup post here: https://www.reddit.com/r/publicmodlogs/comments/8k7jf6/information_post_about_the_recent_suspension_and/

as of now, everything should be back to normal except that anyone who was using the old url for rss/json access needs to update to the new key included in that post. snew.github.io AKA ceddit.com has been updated with the new key and should be functioning as normal.

I also learned about modlog.fyi today which is pretty neat, though i do not know if it has the same kind of safeguards against potential tampering since they appear to cache data on their own server for convenience in accessing old entries.

even more interesting is notabug.io, a project by go1dfish to create a resilient decentralized reddit-like link aggregator. Told me about it when he updated the key for snew for me. Sort of feels like a hybrid of anonymous imageboards and reddit.

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Why is everyone that’s responding to me COMPLETELY AVOIDING the fact that we are handing he keys to the internet over to the god damn FCC??? In all your rambling, you’ve said nothing to touch on the number one reason why everyone should be against net neutrality besides big government and big corporations.

NN legislation does NOT require FCC regulation, yet everyone just accepts it as if it’s the only choice. And that is absolutely astounding to me.

mitigating vertical competition

I.e. these ISPs competing with content providers through what can only be described as anti-trust violating business practices of throttling. I made no reference to vertical integration with the exception of those ISPs being owned by content creating media companies, but that isn't something I address as a problem that needs to be mitigated by NN regulation.

but does let the government get its foot in the door to regulate the internet.

Regulation is only bad if the legislation which designs that regulation is bad. You have to consider the consequences of any policy, regulation or not. There are good policies, and there are bad policies. Regulation is not automatically good or bad, and de-regulation is not automatically bad or good.

You're right, Net Neutrality goes above and beyond anti-trust laws to also include components of consumer protections, which I happen to like.

Government always takes more power, never less. Ever. You start with the giving the FCC a little bit, they will take more and more.

Fine, give it to a different agency. Still have a problem?