Well, all the people I know in real life do not defend pedophilia. They all realize it is wrong. Honestly, I've never met anyone in real life that supports it.

My sister told me about her friends who, while 14, were sneaking 20 somethings into their parents house...while they were hanging out w/ friends. I think part of it is the dating apps...and while it's still predatory, I think a lot of these HS'ers seek this out because of issues at home- especially divorces.

In older times the ages were younger, but people lived shorter lives, and childbirth was incredibly dangerous. But that doesn't mean it was good for them. We've come to recognize the importance and concept of a childhood in modern times- and this understanding has helped us see why the age of these things ought to be pushed back.

Now obviously, it's different if the parties involved are the same age cohort- that's more a part of growing up, and there's no emotional imbalance involved. But it's up to us as individuals to self-police, and to act like civilized human beings and not animals.

But these people who are decades older and dating 18-19 yr olds are just as strange lowkey

Who programmed you to see things this way?

Okay, well, when I think of pedophilia I think of younger children. Yes, I know technically it includes high school age too. Still, I guess I always tend to equate it with younger children.

Of course, I think it is wrong for a man mid-late 20s to have sex with a high school girl.

, I think it is wrong for a man mid-late 20s to have sex with a high school girl.

Why? Who conditioned you this way?

I guess society conditioned me this way. I don't oppose older men with younger women though. My husband is 15 years older than I am. We met when I was 28 though and he was 43. We've been happily married for 22 years.

Yes, I know technically it includes high school age too.

Actually, technically, you're right. While pedophilia is often used as a catch-all, it actually refers specifically to sexual attraction to prepubescent children. In contrast, hebephilia is attraction to pubescent children, while ephebophilia refers to attraction to older teens.

Really? I didn't know this. So I'm right to think pedophilia is younger children. Also, didn't know the other two had words for it. Thanks.

infinight is defending his attraction to teens

No. I'm stating the definitions of terms. And I must confess, I'm rather tired of people responding to facts with transparent ad hominems.

You should probably stop hanging out with pedophiles then. The rest of us dont really know any.

Well it's a pretty buried secret if they are. The people you hang with openly bang kids under 18?

Not pedophilia if there post pubescent use a dictionary.

I've never met Muhammad (pbuh) in real life either.

Aisha.

Aisha, married at 6, deflowered at 9 beheaded at 12. The power of 3s.

Shit, didn't know she was beheaded. Wow.

She wasn't but there is a good reason you believed it.

I think it's a split between creeps who feel safe in screenland and chan-paths who think it's hilarious to pretend to do the same. They could all serve better as dog food as far as I'm concerned.

I've met very few but they exist.

Pedophiles? Oh yes, I know they exist.

No. People who defend Pedophiles and their behavior.

Oh yes, I know they are out there and exist too.

Some people have a skewed mentality about this stuff. You gotta try and explain to them how children don't possess the experience or mental faculties to understand the ramification of their "consent".

Also- you should ask her how she would feel if an older man or woman groomed her when she was a child, and made her think it was good and right for her to "consent" to their advances, before she had any real reference point. The psychological damage is the greatest of all in these cases- and many times children of abuse end up defending it, due to the psychological twisting they've received- tho many do eventually realize what has been done to them.

No fully grown, completely facultied person should be seeking to persuade a child into these acts- it's predatory, plain and simple.

It was a woman. FACEPALM.

children don't possess the experience or mental faculties to understand the ramification of their "consent".

So peoples ability to think is strictly a function of their age?

No, it's a function of experience.

So then why are you trying to arbitrarily classify peoples ability to think, based on age?

I'm not. But age and life experience tend to go hand in hand, and a child does not have enough life experience or perspective to give consent to an adult. That's just the way it is.

age and life experience tend to go hand in hand

lol, no they do not.

Like I said, the most definitely tend to. Let me ask you a question-do you condone an adult having sex with, say, a 12 year old, as long as that 12 year old gave "consent"?

And why are you downvoting me?

Because he's a closet peado.

Seriously.

Yeah there's a way of showing up in these threads.

How can you say that and be serious about it? Something is wrong with you. Teenagers don’t know how complex relationships can be because they haven’t yet come to understand the intricacies of social interaction that make self-reflection and enhanced decision-making possible. Most people have no idea who they really are when they’re sixteen and are therefore hyper-susceptible to influence from those that they assume are able to be trusted. The reality is that adults dating teenagers are almost always doing it because they realize they can turn the person into whoever they want as a result of that, which is wrong. Humans are selfish, and that’s how abuse begins. Honest intention is almost never found in these situations. It’s super easy to make someone who isn’t fully self-aware eat out of your hand and convince them that they need you, and they’ll never realize that their life belongs to them and them alone before it’s too late and they have a host of mental deficiencies due to their development being tampered with like that.

tl;dr You might be a sociopath.

Judgement, sometimes called wisdom, is not fully developed in males until the mid-twenties, there are actual scientific studies to support this statement.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24173194

Sounds like an argument I would have made two years ago. My awakening happened when the DNC cheated Bernie out of the nomination. To make matters worse, nobody in the media would talk about it so I started searching for REAL NEWS. I realized everything I thought I knew, was a lie. That was the start of my awakening.

'15-'16 woke a lot of people up- especially on the Left. It's hard to talk to those on the "Left" who still support HRC and the DNC...like, where you watching the Primaries? Did you see what the Corporate Propaganda Media did to Bernie? 19 attack articles in one day from WaPo? The debate bs? The Convention? It's a sign of whether or not someone was really paying attention in the Primaries if they still blindly support the Dem Party or not.

When '16 began, I didn't know what democrat or republican was. No bullshit; had zero interest. After the primaries, I took an interest in politics that I don't think will ever die out. I've read a dozen books or more and I changed my sources for news. I quit turning to MSM for their lies and manipulations. If you want to know why the world is the way it is, read. It's all there. THEY have been using the same playbook for a long, long time. pic related

They have no idea just how bad they fucked up- an entire generation of aware people saw the Reality, and will never forget. Even if a minority, we're the active minority, who will vote in Primaries and agitate online and IRL. I firmly believe that 2016 was the Left's 1963/Goldwater moment.

The war of ideas will be won by us- or the country will be destroyed regardless.

Craziest part is I thought I was "woke". What a fool, I was.

I've always known the media was full of lies. I been posting about them on fb for damn near a decade. 2016 showed me the extent of their lies. Changed my life.. for the better!

Stay strong friend- fuck the Corporatists who claim we're the problem, fuck those who say we are the ones who let Trump win (when we didn't even vote for the guy!), fuck those who claim lesser of two evils strategy is the way to go- they are the ones destroying what's left of the Republic.

We need to stick to our guns and our believes, and we need to be militant about them. If you haven't, I would strongly recommend checking out r/wayofthebern. The spirit of the Campaign and its activism is still alive and well there.

I voted for Trump and I'm gonna vote for him again in 2020. I was wrong about Bernie. I was wrong about socialism. I was wrong about EVERYTHING.

I put down the memes and picked up a book. The truth is there. I suggest people start reading books. Audiobooks work too. At the very least, check out youtube. Stefan Molyneux, Styxhexenhammer, Paul Joseph Watson, Mark Dice, Black Pigeon Speaks, The Truth Factory, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Red Pill Black, PragerU

I voted for Trump and I'm gonna vote for him again in 2020

That's your Right.

I was wrong about Bernie. I was wrong about socialism. I was wrong about EVERYTHING.

Trump wasn't the answer. You and I are gonna vehemently disagree here. But hey, as I said, that's your Right and I'm glad you participated in the system.

I put down the memes and picked up a book. The truth is there. I suggest people start reading books. Audiobooks work too. At the very least, check out youtube.

I've done all that and come to very opposite conclusions- funny how that works, ain't it?

Trump is the best thing we've had since the 80s. You can't restore the public by giving everyone free shit. That's the wrong direction. Well, I can see we could go back and forth for a while, haha. Nice talkin with you either way

Trump is the best thing we've had since the 80s

Reagan wasn't a savior my friend.

You can't restore the public by giving everyone free shit

It's not free. There's no illusions to the cost of these programs. Our GDP is $14.7 Trillion. It's about how we use that money.

Well, I can see we could go back and forth for a while, haha. Nice talkin with you either way

You too friend.

Reagan wasn't a "savior" but he was the only president in the past 3 decades that wasn't trying to destroy America. Before him was Kennedy. It's not by accident that America is falling into madness. It was by plan. It all started with the takeover of hollywood but you probably already know that

Reagan wasn't a "savior" but he was the only president in the past 3 decades that wasn't trying to destroy America

Gonna have to agree to disagree there. Reagan was influential in creating the America of today.

It's not by accident that America is falling into madness. It was by plan. It all started with the takeover of hollywood but you probably already know that

Like I said, we've looked at the evidence and come to different conclusions- nothing wrong with that. But you and I already know that we aren't gonna change each others opinions ;)

I'm glad you are participating. Even though we see things differently we're still human beings and citizens of this country and I respect you for voting your conscious and doing your research for what you believe.

Reagan/Thatcher/Friedman era was the beginning of shitty NEOliberal corporatism. He was a shill. Some think he was the last of a good era but he was the beginning of a bad one. Taxes went down on the super rich, starting from Reagan. Extreme deregulation of the economy also started. Rather than a balanced approach between personal freedom and economic freedom. The guy was an actor man, come on.

Socialism is not one ideology either. Bernie was legit IMO just sad he was rigged out the primaries and probably threatened to endorse that shill Clinton. Look at all the signs, the corporate media shat on him as if he was literally Stalin and even more funny an "anti-semite" despite being ethnically Jewish himself (although not religious and not full zionist but two state solution sort of guy which is reasonable).

Trump VS Clinton is a scam IMO. Maybe I won't change your mind (Trump is either compromised by the deep state, was a zionist corporate shill from the start or is "playing 3D chess" which I find hard to believe) but the corrupt media was pushing for TRUMP V CLINTON in the early primaries across the world. My belief is it was manufactured.

Reagan was not a shill. I'll stop reading right there. He wanted to make a real difference and had good intentions. They tried to murder him. Remember that? He got shot, I think his second year in office. Reagan was definitely not a shill.

Don't stop reading just because you have a bias. Actor who gave tax breaks for billionaires. Cutting of social programs. Yeah seems legit, he must have been one us. /s If you do enough research, you'll come to the same conclusion. He had shit economics and the people who came after were even worse.

I'm not interested in arguing with someone that can't understand basic economics.

Not an argument. Sounds like a shill cop out I've heard a million times. They even use a fake definition of free market.

They get disproportionate amount of tax breaks because they pay a disproportionate amount of taxes. How is this so hard to understand?Before Trumps TAX CUTS, the business owners, you know the jobs, were paying 40% in taxes. 40 fucking percent. Who the fuck wants to give half their money to a corrupt government for politicians to pocket and piss away? You're argument is ridiculous and can be debunked by middle school children. That's why all the JOBS, especially the best paying JOBS, left America and opened up in other parts of the world. Let me guess, you advocate for HIGHER WAGES, and HIGHER TAXES. Do you realize these two things contradict themselves?? Lower taxes means the jobs come back, the product are sold cheaper, the wages are higher.

Go away

Why you so anger? Because I say something that goes against your strict ideology? Chill out man. You have to realize corporations have already moved their jobs to poorer countries, this is called corporate jobs outsourcing. It's helping globalism. They're not going to reverse it because those super rich shitbags love the economic slavery they can get away with in poorer countries.

Also realize the corrupt government is corrupt because corporate and banking entities bribe them. This is what money in politics has done.

The income difference is extreme: CEOs should be making not 1,000x their average employee but maybe something like 100x, is that such a big deal? The higher paid employees then contribute to the economy.....the money re-circulates WAY faster compared to a super rich person who sits on 99% of his wealth and re-circulates only a little bit once in a while (if they're honest....while the dishonest ones dodge tax).

Also realize 40% taxes for the MOST richest isn't a big deal, they're just being greedy. If I had 10 million a year, I wouldn't care if 40% (OF the amount of money beyond a certain threshold) is used to help fellow Americans via social programs. I'm all for tax reform but giving the super rich the goodies is just not sensible. We've tried that shit for 30+ years and the middle class just shrank. Hence people are sick of Dem and Repub shit. They're both doing it. It's not the level of taxation alone, it's also how you use tax. Our corrupt government uses it badly....black budgets, privatized crony programs like Obamacare, bloated military, etc. it's all deliberate.

Poorer people should pay less, richer people should pay more, but obviously reasonable taxation, nothing crazy. When the depression was over and the middle class was created, we weren't giving super rich unreasonable tax breaks. But that was pre-Reagan. FDR did it.

Another realization is that even if these scum corporations leave for greed (they've already moved jobs because they don't give a damn, despite their tax dodging loopholes and free corporate subsidies) small and medium businesses can fill in the gap and expand. They can now compete for top spots. We should not hold ourselves at ransom to the huge corporations who have a history of screwing the people over.

If you don't want to entertain other ideologies like centrism, that's close-mindedness that often leads to a dead end and often incorrect and rigid world view. That's up to you. I was just trying to let you know the trickle down ideology is bullshit and it's here because elites benefit from it. There are way better economics than what we've had under Bush/Obama/Trump. This is corporatism and it sucks.

I'm not reading that shit. You're wasting your time.

No need to be an asshole.

Name calling? Bruh take a hint. This post is dead. What's the point in arguing on a dead post?

So what do you call your rudeness then? I say it like it is.

fuck politeness. Say it like it is that fine. But namecalling is for children. Most folks grow out of it in middle school

It was more of an advice against displaying unreasonable (asshole) behavior rather than me wanting to label you as an asshole. If you get my drift.

When I told you I'm not reading that shit, I was doing you a favor. Letting you know, don't waste your time writing an essay that I'm not going to read.

Woooah Bruh!

Definitely wasting our time. And sadly you waste society’s oxygen...

Because they make 90% of the money. Derrrp

Right, it’s hard to learn from people on your level.

WaPo didn’t like Bernie? Isn’t WaPo super liberal? Like i know WaPo hates trump but this is news to me.

WaPo didn’t like Bernie?

They literally threatened him, said "You don't actually want to be covered, trust us" then ran 19 attack articles in one day.

Isn’t WaPo super liberal?

hahahahahahah. Yeah- WaPo is "Liberal", if you use the proper definition of Liberal- Centrist Corporatist scum. They aren't Left, that's for fuckin' sure!

Like i know WaPo hates trump but this is news to me.

Yep. Crazy ain't it?

Same here for the everything I thought I knew is wrong bit, it was extremely difficult to work through and made me wander if I wasn't indeed crazy. This was in '01-'02 so no reddit and people were rabidly against those who dared disagree, it was the with us or against us period. I have to say it seems that things have come to the surface and people seem to be more open-minded about certain issues, at the same time there seems to be alot more people trying to profit from people who sincerely just want to figure out what the heck is going on because they can feel something is off.

I have never once heard someone IRL defend pedophilia. Was this a conversation on the Internet?

It was his mothers second cousins childs taxi driver.

I don't believe in satan. But this shit is getting so warped. I'm all for sexual freedom, fuck what thou whilst. Shit, my daughter is a half black bull dyke lesbian that likes chasing "snow bunnies". And all I got is high 5's for her conquests.

But this shit is getting weird.

It should probably be stated what paedophilia actually is. The victim must be prepubescent, or else it's just statutory rape, which is too often conflated with paedophilia, which is a real and serious mental malfunction.

Once upon a time it was considered repulsive to sleep with people of different race, and morally wrong to conceive half-caste children.

Ask yourself how you feel about this issue, and why, and then revisit other topics and try the same thing.

Emotions and logic work well together, especially if one has not spent serious time deprogramming their own mind.

You're seriously overthinking (or pretending to) whether it's ok to rape children. It's not academic.

Big difference between sleeping with someone of a different skin color and victimizing a child.

Ask yourself how you feel about this issue, and why, and then revisit other topics and try the same thing.

I actually agree with this. If you can't find a rational explanation for your morals, then they aren't worth having.

So let's start with the simplest: child bodies aren't made to have sex. Even if a child was capable of consenting, their bodies are too small and having sex with an adult can cause permanent damage. For example, it's not uncommon for girls who are raped as children to be rendered infertile. Similarly, a pubescent child who becomes pregnant would also have serious health risks attached to carrying the baby to term.

These reasons, I suspect, are why we, as a society, evolved to see pedophilia as immoral. And because we evolved that way, there's the additional factor of psychological damage caused to the child. And if the child "consents" at the time, there will still be psychological damage because they live in a society that isn't okay with pedophilia, and have a brain which evolved to not be okay with pedophilia.

Then there's the whole power imbalance to deal with. In almost all cases, the adult is the one who initiated the relationship, or grooms the child to, and they're able to do this because they are in a position of authority over the child, just by being an adult. (And worse, are usually a relative or a teacher who the child is expected to obey.) Using a position of authority to coerce someone into having sex with you is wrong. Especially when their minds aren't developed enough to understand what they're agreeing to.

The bottom line is that there are a myriad of reasons why you shouldn't have sex with children. These are just a few off the top of my head. Interracial relationships don't have these issues. They don't have the power imbalance, nor do they cause the same level of psychological damage, and they certainly don't risk causing bodily harm.

On this note, I disagree with /u/ApocalypseFatigue's assessment of your comment. Despite you playing at being an intellectual, your problem isn't "overthinking" (I truly don't believe in such a thing), it's underthinking. If you asked yourself why pedophilia is immoral and shrugged your shoulders unable to think of a single reason, you clearly did something wrong.

Downvotes for logic. What a time to be alive.

U/infinight888 has unpacked the emotional shorthand of pedo-cringe into the nuts and bolts of why it causes that reaction in people of sound mind. It's correct that overthinking was the wrong word. In my experience on Reddit, there are people who play at being intellectually superior by trying to reframe pedophilia as a valid sexual preference (while often also claiming it's not a choice and playing victim when cornered) are just pretending they don't already know everything outlined above.

Either that, or they're trolling, which is equally pathetic.

Cats are pedophiles.

You must hang out with a really shitty crew. Everyone I know vocally reviles pedophilia.

You spoke to someone who is a cultural relativist. They are along the same lines as cultural Marxism, post modern neo Marxist whatever. Fuck em. They are the devil. They are the wolf in sheep's clothes.

Do you have any proof that his happend?

If they're defending pedos, they're probably pedos or have a mental disability.

Children cannot legally consent.

r/thathappened

They have no idea just how bad they fucked up- an entire generation of aware people saw the Reality, and will never forget. Even if a minority, we're the active minority, who will vote in Primaries and agitate online and IRL. I firmly believe that 2016 was the Left's 1963/Goldwater moment.

The war of ideas will be won by us- or the country will be destroyed regardless.

I guess society conditioned me this way. I don't oppose older men with younger women though. My husband is 15 years older than I am. We met when I was 28 though and he was 43. We've been happily married for 22 years.

age and life experience tend to go hand in hand

lol, no they do not.

Because he's a closet peado.

Seriously.

Not an argument. Sounds like a shill cop out I've heard a million times. They even use a fake definition of free market.

Right, it’s hard to learn from people on your level.