The Hidden Mars' Conspiracy
1 2018-05-26 by Harvision
In 1945 an American astronomer, B.P. Sharpless, issued a finding that Phobos, the larger moon of Mars, was slowly falling out of orbit and in 10-20 million years it eventually would impact the planet. That is a long time in human time, but in cosmic time, it is but a mere second. His findings were met with much skepticism but eventually proved to be basically correct and stand to this day.
In 1966 I.S. Shklovskii, a respected Russian scientist, and Carl Sagan collaborated on a monumental book entitled Intelligent Life in the Universe. In the book Shklovskii recounts his 1959 determinations that Phobos had a “low density.” He wrote: “Could Phobos be indeed rigid, on the outside—but hollow on the inside? A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object. Therefore we are led to the possibility that Phobos and possibly Deimos as well—may be artificial satellites of Mars.”
The younger Sagan added a further view in that book to Shklovskii’s words: “Conceivably, the capture and hollowing of a small asteroid may be technically more feasible than the construction in orbit of an artificial satellite with material brought from the surface.
That early determination of hollowness about Phobos made in 1959 is little known today. Most writings of the voids in Phobos refer to the lower--than-expected--mass findings (comparatively large voids) as coming from innocent and surprising probe measurements made far more recently. That is true about the eventual confirmation by on-the-scene probes, but initially that fact was suspected and calculations discussed back in 1959. One would think that data would have been a very good reason to target Phobos for an intense investigation as the future missions to Mars were being planned. Maybe it was the chief reason for the double Viking missions in the late 1970's. We are left to wonder if we were lied to about the real reason for those missions.
But that is not all that made the moon a suspect of being intelligently manipulated. The suspicious data was widely known. Its orbit and that of Deimos are directly over the equatorial area of Mars, and both, especially Phobos, orbits very close to the planet. Finally, because of the small size of Mars, astrophysics cannot properly allow how it could have captured not just one but two wayward asteroids and have them eventually develop almost perfectly circular orbits so close to the planet. By any measure, Phobos should have been a prime suspect in a different “search for life” experiment than the one touted as the reason for the missions, that of digging into the Martian dirt for signs of life. It is hard to believe that the outspoken Sagan didn’t point out those discrepancies of the moons from the norm as the missions were being planned. Surely, he would point out the logic of how the confirmation of the intelligent manipulation of asteroidal bodies around the planet would make digging in the Martian soil irrelevant. And probably, Sagan, being Sagan made that point and he was told to not blow the cover for the mission.
Another point never mentioned but as important and indicative as any of the rest in this saga is that Deimos, the more outer companion of Phobos is itself positioned at a not far distance that is only very slightly out of a synchronous orbit with the planet. While Phobos is slowly falling into the planet, Deimos is slowly falling away. That can only mean that at one time millions of years ago that it was in lockstep with the rotation of Mars, just as we learned to do with our communication satellites in the 1960's.
Allowing for the existence of ancient space-capable civilizations answers most of the things we find puzzling today about Mars. But if we can’t use our intelligence to recognize UFOs for what they seem to be, why should we look beyond what we are told to accept and believe about Mars? Science and government had been fairly open in their quest to investigate the planets of Mars and Venus in general with the Mariner series of probes starting in 1962 their constantly improving data returns begin to send severe shocks throughout science. Mariner 9 returned surprising pictures of Mars and Phobos until October of 1972. Because of misleading earlier images from earlier Mariners, Mariner 9, the final one, showed evidence of vast amounts of erosion that could only be explained by once having surface water in abundance. Even little Phobos gave some interesting surprises of its own.
The Viking project was initiated in 1968 well before the shockingly clear images came down from Mariner 9. The project consisted of two identical missions sent a few months apart. They lifted off in the summer of 1975,.Each comprised of a lander and an orbiter. In each were thirteen investigations. The primary interest to the public if not the scientists was in the “search for life” experiments that would scoop up a bit of Martian soil and test it for signs of life and former life.
The Viking project was very ambitious and a remarkable success. Science would like to have you believe that it was a strictly basic, straightforward exercise in science. That would be true if there were not the bugaboo of flying saucers possibly lurking in every unknown corner of space.
Sagan, an extremely avid UFO believer as an undergraduate student, had by that time learned to hold such views in check and while enthusiastic about life elsewhere in the Universe, was a very out-spoken critic of UFOs here at Earth. It was at his urging that the imaging of Phobos was included in the Mariner 9 schedule. As mentioned earlier, his interest in Phobos dates back at least to 1966. Later, as the Viking experiments were being planned he lobbied to get a lighting installed on the landers to capture any nocturnal creature activity during the Martian nights. But his request was denied due to weight limitations.
NASA and JPL may not have had strong inclinations to believe UFOs came from Mars, but evidence of water erosion found by Mariner 9 increased that possibility. What we know is that up to and including some of the results of the Viking missions the flow of data to the public was almost as quick as to the scientist.
This indicates that at that at the time of the beginning of the Viking missions no Mars’ conspiracy seemed to be at play. That then is a further indication that the Viking mission images of Phobos were an unexpected breakthrough that revealed too much and had to be concealed after the fact. How to do handle that belatedly? First, some official actions must be put into place, and second, a diversion to draw attention elsewhere. What we do know is that in 1992 NASA contracted with Michael Malin, formerly of JPL. Evidently with contacts within the agencies involved, he created his own company which was given exclusive rights over imaging and management of all photographs taken by the Mars Observer probe, the follow up to the Viking mission.. His contract allowed him to release or withhold images as he saw fit.
(We must wonder if Sagan was quickly aware of what the Phobos images revealed, highly excited about the discovery, but subsequently crushed when the secrecy descended across the field and prevented him and his fellow scientists from working with that historical knowledge.)
Most people remember the hullabaloo made over the supposed “Face on Mars” and supposed pyramids at Cydonia. They were a magnet to those interested in the strange aspects of the Viking images Mars. With a view in mind of a Mars’ conspiracy, we should wonder, was it a sham show, a misdirection ploy beaten into a froth by a center-stage character to draw interest away from the more revealing data from the Vikings? (I was there, an avid /Mars/UFOer, and I couldn’t understand the amount of hype.) It was a clamorous, long, loud and detailed affair that went into ridiculous extremes of supposed data and arguments.
The “search for life” experiments showed some promise, but the results was not as expected and therefore deemed inconclusive by TPTB. That finding is still challenged by Gilbert Levin the designer of the module. As far as the public was concerned the negative finding virtually ended any popular concepts about Martians living or long dead.
What we do know is that in 1992 NASA contracted with Michael Malin, formerly of JPL and evidently with contacts within the agencies involved, he created his own company which was given exclusive rights over imaging and management of all photographs taken by the Mars Observer probe, the follow up to the Viking mission. His contract allowed him to release or withhold images as he personally saw fit. Gone were the days when Sagan and associates would stand by the printer impatiently waiting for it to download images directly to them and eventually into the public’s hands.
But the lack of due diligence had done its damage. The twin Viking orbiters had taken thousands of images of Phobos from all positions around the tiny moon, and they were released without NASA or JPL being aware of what they revealed.
129 comments
1 Estamio2 2018-05-26
Nice post.
1 DoctorLovejuice 2018-05-26
Agreed. I won't forget this tbh
1 Centuri0n- 2018-05-26
No cliffs?
Can't get past the firmament. End.
1 Kendle_C 2018-05-26
Here's one picture I've never seen: Phobos as seen from Mars. Can anyone find it? Also are there high resolution pictures of Phobos so we can look for an opening? Would that be likely at the poles of its rotation?
1 ElkeKerman 2018-05-26
There's a few pics of Phobos from the Martian surface, but it doesn't look like much more than a large star because of its small size. There's some very interesting footage, though, of Phobos crossing the sun, which is really amazing if you think about it!
1 gtrogers 2018-05-26
Wow that is really cool!
1 the_mcgee 2018-05-26
Oh wow, this is all new to me. Thanks!
1 Wood_Warden 2018-05-26
Of increasing interest are the two unmanned crafts sent to Mars, Phobos, Deimos by the Russians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_program
What wiki says:
What potentially really happened to Phobos 1 and Phobos 2? Here are some more mysterious details around Phobos 2 from http://www.ufocasebook.com/phobos2.html:
Here are the two photos of interest:
Phobos with "large cigar-shaped UFO"
Photo of shadow on surface from one of the last three frames before 'cutting out'
As to present both sides, here's some one debunking the two photographs (one as an artifact from photography, the other as the actual shadow of Phobos). http://forgetomori.com/2009/ufos/phobos-2-a-bloody-soviet-close-encounter/
1 the_mcgee 2018-05-26
Excellent, thanks!
http://www.planetary.org/explore/resource-library/data/phobos-2-vsk-data.html Phobos II VSK data set (I don't know what that means, but it's the full set of images) since the links are broken elsewhere.
1 pisandwich 2018-05-26
http://ufodigest.com/article/european-space-agency-indicates-mars’-moon-phobos-hollow-and-artificial
1 Gem420 2018-05-26
I feel like the answer to that is a no. But they did come here after the cataclysm. They were for something different.
1 Lordnerble 2018-05-26
You can't just say different without listing a different theory
1 Gem420 2018-05-26
I was just musin', chill.
1 Pidjesus 2018-05-26
Take a look at the Mars remote viewing documents, the guy sees ET life
1 haveyouseenmymarble 2018-05-26
Was it "ET" life? I mean, technically, certainly, but I seem to remember the scene being described as distinctly human, or human-like. It could have just been my bias picturing it that way, do you remember it as "alien"?
1 Emax2018 2018-05-26
Your comment is perfect proof that the majority of people believe an "alien" is a green big headed guy with big eyes. No an alien is an extraterrestrial. Even if they were humanoid like they are still aliens.
1 haveyouseenmymarble 2018-05-26
I was alluding to the idea that perhaps human life, or some ancestral form of it, originally developed on Mars before migrating here. It's true that such ancestors would technically be ETs, but they might not be very alien to us, in the sense of being strange or foreign. Aliens, sure, but familiar ones.
1 Lordnerble 2018-05-26
Mission to Mars plot line
1 Gem420 2018-05-26
Something really bad happened to the planet between mars and jupiter, me thinks. It wreaked havoc on Mars, they had to leave.
1 Emax2018 2018-05-26
Haha mars was definitely fucked up bad whatever happened. Something made it lose its atmosphere,
1 Pidjesus 2018-05-26
Nuclear weapons
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
or, ya know, eons' of eons going by while its molten core cooled, resulting in it losing its magnetic field, which let the sun's radiation strip away the atmosphere
but noooo, def nukes man s/
1 sixrwsbot 2018-05-26
You're on a conspiracy sub reddit where people like to speculate about alternate possiblities. Why do you feel the need to act condescending to people who are just discussing a conspiracy theory?
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
a conspiracy theory is not the same thing as random guessing, branching from echo chambers of smoke and mirror evidence presentation, while simultaneously dismissing other known evidence from their model and writing it off as the great lies of the deep state/elite/jews/aliens/cults/secret societies/tptb
1 Ariamas 2018-05-26
I'm struggling to find in the context of this comment thread anyone who is "randomly guessing ... while simultaneously writing [the mainstream thoery(ies)] off as the great like of [insert nefarious faction]".
I get your point, but the last guy only said "Nuclear weapons" and you flipped.
Don't get so worked up, it's all conjecture and speculation anyways.
1 Gem420 2018-05-26
Humans have a fondness for pondering. Sometimes their pondering are great and thru time, testing, and re-testing, they may become facts. Some pondering is...less than great, and sometimes non-helpful.
We are here for truth, a bit of fun, and lots of pondering and musing. It's not all going to be Class A commentary here. shrugs
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/745738/Life-on-Mars-wiped-out-nuclear-war-Dr-John-Brandenburg
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
The woo is out there UFOlogy Icon ufology.svg Aliens did it... Beyond Science Giorgio Tsoukalos Henry Stevens Planet X Raëlism ZetaTalk ... and ran away Hopi Peter Kolosimo Starseed The 'Reiki' Factor in The Radiance Technique Tiwanaku Xenu v - t - e John E. Brandenburg is a plasma physicist who went somewhat off the rails in 2012 and started proclaiming that he saw clear evidence of a thermonuclear war on Mars in the distant past. This off-beat idea attracted the attention of woo-peddlars and gave a mighty boost to sales of his books. His submissions have not been accepted by peer-reviewed journals. J. Cosmology doesn't count.
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
Rational Wiki. Second only to Snopes for people who like their debunking served with heaps of hyperbole.
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
How is it any less valid than any of your sources though?
You can't claim your fringe sources are more valid than my fringe sources, by doing so you give less credence to your sources
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
Authors who claim to be representing rationality should stick to using rational language, instead of placing a great deal of emphasis on name calling and mud slinging.
1 JohnWicksPencil 2018-05-26
There are radioactive isotopes in the atmosphere and soil of mars which are only known to come from nuclear explosions here on earth.
1 Gem420 2018-05-26
Well, they lost their atmosphere because the core doesn't spin anymore. Our earth's core is spinning, that's why we got one. We should try to find what slows the core of a planet!! If we can find causes, maybe, just maybe, we will solve this perplexing mystery.
1 Roarian 2018-05-26
Mars is smaller than the Earth, and its core is also smaller and cooler. It lost its temperature and spin much faster because there was just less to start with.
If you wait long enough, Earth will just be Mars 2.0...
1 Gem420 2018-05-26
Is that the current accepted scientific understanding of what happened to Mars?
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
So do the rovers, unless you think it's pareidolia.
https://imgur.com/a/rrJvr
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
it is, half those pictures i had to stare at for 5 seconds before i could even realize what it was supposed to be.
and bones and trinkets are just chilling on the surface, but no remnants of massive structures or terra forming? how does that even happen
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
This folder was just for signs of life. The big folder has all my saved pics.
https://m.imgur.com/a/GN4wQ
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
that's quiet the collection of rock pics you got there
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
Yup. Several pics of foundations of structures taken from orbit, too.
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
without any other evidence than these pics, calling them structures is a much larger jump to conclusion than pareidolia.
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
Not necessarily. Remember the amateur who correctly identified undiscovered ruins in Egypt using google earth? All the ‘experts ‘ shot her discovery down mercilessly, but ended up with egg on their faces when an expedition was mounted and found buried ruins, just as it looked like from satellite imagery.
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
Intrinsict and documented evidence of humans being in that area gives plausibility to her speculation.
Even finding something similar in Antarctica could potentially have plausibility.
Mars, you are strictly guessing on the will to believe plus looping some other fringe theories together to paint a portuate with a brush stroke.
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
There’s more to this story than just pictures, I recommend Hoagland’s book Dark Mission as the best place to start.
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
His very own publisher that published that book said; "...A unique mixture of amateur scientist, genius inventor, scam artist, and performer, blending true, legitimate speculative science with his own extrapolations, tall tales, and inflations."[
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
His ex publisher with whom he had a difficult relationship with. His first book won him an angstrom.
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
No it didn't, well at least not the real one that actually carries scientific merit.
Uppsala University in Sweden, with approval from Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, gives out the Angstrom Prize, which includes a medal and a cash award, given in the honor of 18th Century Swedish scientist Anders-Jonas Angstrom. Hoagland's medal, however, came from the separate Angstrom Foundation Aktiebolag (AFAB). This is a privately-owned company with no connection to Uppsala University or the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences.
There were no scientists involved in that decision," said Ralph Greenberg, a professor of mathematics at the University of Washington. Others who have researched Hoagland's medal say it carries little if any merit and was not awarded by scientists or a scientific organization.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/03/17/alien.debunk/
1 trolololoz 2018-05-26
Nice. You ask for structure like pictures and shot it down when provided with them.
1 Slanderson77 2018-05-26
Jesus Christ Marie! They're Minerals Not Rocks
1 seeking101 2018-05-26
if these were legit biological life what do they eat/drink to survive?
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
Some do appear to be fossils, but as far as what current Martian ET’s might live on, I haven’t a clue. There was that Russian psychic boy who on YouTube who said the remaining life on Mars adapted to breathing carbon dioxide, so there’s that.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Xcn436tyI
1 SadGhoster87 2018-05-26
oh my fucking god
1 -TWO- 2018-05-26
Wow concrete source right there. I'd like to see the shills debunk that one!
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
This thread started with taking about CIA remote viewers, I don't differentiate between officially sanctioned US psychics and those from other countries.
1 CelineHagbard 2018-05-26
This happens on earth, too, as the wind and (here at least) water erode the sedimentary rock to expose the formation the fossils are found in.
I think this is most likely pareidolia, just offering a possible explanation for fossils on the surface.
1 seeking101 2018-05-26
true, good point, but most of the photos are full body which is damn near impossible
I agree with the pareidolia, although imo most dont even look like whats being claimed in the first place
1 SadGhoster87 2018-05-26
Lol the 4th one shows a random group of objects zoomed in to blurry levels and then colored to make the shape of something living... even though you can look right back at the zoomed out picture and see it's just random stuff. I wouldn't put too much stock in your image collection.
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-05-26
It’s not pareidolia. They’re just not on Mars.
1 JohnWicksPencil 2018-05-26
That's an Arctic lemming, the photo was taken on Devon Island. The entire Mars rover program is a fraud. NASA "admits" they have a test program for the rovers on Devon Island, but in reality, it's the extend of the entire program.
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
No ruins on Devon.
1 JohnWicksPencil 2018-05-26
The 5th planet was destroyed. It is now the asteroid belt. It is possible that in an attempt to make an escape, that the original inhabitants of the 5th planet went to Mars. It is also possible that they came here to Earth.
1 PLTuck 2018-05-26
Sorry but this is bunk.
The total mass of the asteroid belt is not high enough for its constituent parts to surpass Jeans mass and so start gravitational accretion.
Sorry to burst your bubble with "actual" science.
1 spauldeagle 2018-05-26
NDT is that you?
1 aziztcf 2018-05-26
Ha ha look at this guy with his facts.
1 spauldeagle 2018-05-26
I mean yeah hes right but the last sentence was totally NDT and unnecessary
1 workwork_workwork 2018-05-26
Well, if it was an explosion maybe some left orbit as comets/asteroids and maybe that could account for the missing weight? Just spit balling.
1 PLTuck 2018-05-26
Well it's an idea. The combined mass of the asteroid belt is only around 4% of the moon. That essentially means that if it was a planet at some point, then most of it's mass would have been flung out, with a tiny bit staying behind to form the asteroid belt. We'd then need to explain what mechanism made this happen.
What is far more likely is that the asteroid belt is not the remnants of a planet. It is much more likely that the generally accepted theory of it being part of the solar nebula which did not accrete into a planetissimal is in fact true, and not a big conspiracy.
1 orrery 2018-05-26
Except gravitational accretion isn't real science and most / all planets are formed by z-pinch and marklund convection processes.....
1 PLTuck 2018-05-26
The currently accepted method is gravitational accretion. There may be other theories floating about but none of them are the accepted method.
Sorry. Nice try though.
1 orrery 2018-05-26
"Currently accepted" by people who are wrong.
1 PLTuck 2018-05-26
You had better contact all the leading universities then, as gravitational accretion is what they teach.
Could you point me to the peer reviewed paper that says accretion is a load of rubbish? Genuine question.
1 orrery 2018-05-26
Actually, they don't really touch the subject at all and very universities even have astrophysics programs.
1 PLTuck 2018-05-26
You mean apart from the ones that do right? ;)
I have a 3 year old (2015 edition) textbook written by the Cambridge University press, which goes into detail about the gravitational accretion model.
Unless something has changed in the past 6 months when I was issued said textbook then I am calling your bluff.
I trust Cambridge University over a random internet dude.
Seriously though, can I get a link to the peer reviewed paper? Genuinely interested and have enough to do what with revising for my Planetary Science exam in 2 weeks.
1 orrery 2018-05-26
You have a textbook that most likely not a single university uses and more likely than that, you are referring to a chapter that is more often than not skipped.
Source: Graduated with Physics major already and took all of the graduate level Astrophysics classes.
In any case, I find it cute that you think journals publish anything valuable.
1 PLTuck 2018-05-26
Enlighten me. If Jounals do not publish anything valuable, then where is the "real" science published?
Or are you suggesting that the entire basis of science (that of peer review) is wrong as well?
After all, you are suggesting that one of the most celebrated and prestigious universities in the world published a textbook that no one uses, and is also completely wrong.
I did a search for these 1000s of papers using your exact keywords (that aren't valuable according to your previous sentence!), and guess what? Not quite 1000's. Just 6 actually. None of which even mention planetary formation, but instead refer to the formation of low mass stars and sub stellar objects. This was using my university's library which has access to every peer reviewed journal.
Seems to me you are full of it.
1 orrery 2018-05-26
Most real science certainly is published in professional and technical circles, not academic or university ones. University and Academic journals are nothing more than bottom feeders. You are basically singing the praises of what qualifies as garbage made the lowest common denominator.
1 PLTuck 2018-05-26
Put up or shut up. I still can't find any actual evidence that gravitational accretion is not the commonly accepted model amongst the worlds planetary scientists and astronomers, and you seem reluctant to provide any evidence other than you say so.
I'm done.
1 seeking101 2018-05-26
asteroid belt is just left over material. this is why there are only gas giants beyond it
1 Wood_Warden 2018-05-26
I love reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision or works of other "catastrophists" like Immanuel Velikovsky. The celestial bodies aren't in a harmonious dance, each giving space to the other. Space, like the rest of nature, is fucking nasty.
1 snowingwords 2018-05-26
Great post!!
1 ElTaco12Pac 2018-05-26
This us what I come here for. Awesome post my friend, do you have any sources and links to read up on?
1 Rob_Tim 2018-05-26
You wrote all this stuff for things that don’t exist. Downvote me, but remember this comment decades from now when you’re exposed to all the lies astronomy has put forth.
1 paulvs88 2018-05-26
Remindme in 2038
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
Curious, what is the flat earther explanation for red shift? In other words, how do each of those tiny ‘fake’ lights up there on the ceiling create the Doppler effect with light instead of sound, just as they would if they were moving away.
1 Space_Pecs 2018-05-26
Clearly one of the lies of astronomy.
If you aren't going to accept the existence of Mars, which can be seen with the naked eye,then you sure as hell aren't going to accept something that has to be measured with instruments, which are probably fake anyways.
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-05-26
A light in the sky can be seen with the naked eye. No one denies that you can see “Mars.” Everything else you claim to know about Mars, or the solar system, you have taken on good faith from an authority. In other words it is a religious view that you hold.
1 Space_Pecs 2018-05-26
Nope. With a telescope one can see Mars well enough to see the seasons happen on the polar ice caps, and one can see the features spin if observing for long enough, and based on that ine could use logic to determine that it's a sphere.
YOU could do this from your backyard, but you might see something that you don't want to.
Which of us is involved in a faith based though system again?
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-05-26
Completely untrue and dishonest. A mere red light in the sky is all that can be seen by any amateur astronomer and the 3D images we see of Mars are ALL artists’ renditions.
1 Space_Pecs 2018-05-26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpTNfW28kT8
10" telescope. Big, but within the means of amateur astronomers, and honestly it was hyperbole to say "your back yard", because you might live in a city, and there'd be too much light pollution.
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-05-26
Wow, a floating image of a ball against a black background. It doesn't even show the telescope or the zooming process or anything.
[Not looking good for the Red Planet](data:image/jpeg;base64,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).
1 Space_Pecs 2018-05-26
2%. Got it.
1 ElkeKerman 2018-05-26
Telescopes don't zoom. Asides from changing the eye-piece lens, there is a fixed magnification.
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-05-26
They don’t. You just hear that they do and then believe that the same people who told you there’s red shift can then calculate the distance or velocity of heavenly bodies.
1 orrery 2018-05-26
Unrelated to your flat earth comment but Doppler Redshift is fake science designed to prop up Big Bang Creationism. Redshift, does exist but it has nothing to do with Doppler.
The Doppler effect is an observer and time dependent phenomenon, you have to listen for several seconds to observe Doppler. Redshift can be observed in no time flat because it is not a Doppler effect and it is not evidence of expansion, in fact it is in actuality evidence of electrostatic plasma filled universe.
1 Space_Pecs 2018-05-26
What does exit, in your opinion?
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-05-26
Absolutely correct. No one has been to Mars or what we call space. Everyone in here fanboying about the modern solar system model and pictures from Mars, I’m sorry to say but you are awash in lies which you have accepted blindly from scientific authorities, and time will show you as the merry band of Dunning-Kruegers that you are.
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
Excellent post. Mars pictures reveal ruins and artifacts on scales ranging from under the rover 's wheels to only properly visible from orbit.
https://m.imgur.com/a/GN4wQ
Top 100: https://imgur.com/a/BnX2z
1 mysticrecluse 2018-05-26
After going through the first album, I feel like I'm looking at the result of some major cataclysmic event.
Like...ALL life on the planet was destroyed. All structures, all people, everything was just completely wiped out.
Something bigger than an asteroid or planet-wide nukes. I'm saying something like a collision with another planet or something. Maybe Olympus Mons blew its lid and covered most of the planet in molten death. The inhabitants, at the time, could have been far more advanced than us and maybe they had the means to send life into orbit around Mars (the OP) as well as identify Earth as a safe haven and then migrate here. I've heard it before, but maybe we are the martians.
At the end of the day, it makes for a great story. Really nothing more than that; wild speculation. There's no proof of anything. Just a lot of odd looking Fallout-themed images from Mars. I know geometry like squares and triangles can occur in nature, but there's so much to look at in those pictures...it really makes you wonder.
1 perfect_pickles 2018-05-26
which is naturally increasing its speed and orbital height, an impossibility.
1 ElkeKerman 2018-05-26
Higher orbits are actually slower in speed, which seems weird but makes sense when you think about it. You need to go faster to stay up closer to the planet due to the stronger gravity :)
1 GameOfDanks 2018-05-26
A simple search for “mars P900” video is best evidence of what’s really up with Mars. Doesn’t even look solid
1 ElkeKerman 2018-05-26
I mean tbf that's just chromatic aberration. Same reason the stars twinkle.
1 ElkeKerman 2018-05-26
I mean tbf that's just chromatic aberration. Same reason the stars twinkle.
1 shap3dg 2018-05-26
Mars was one of the planets of the previous experiments of duality conciousness that failed terribly millions of years ago. Since they were disconnected from the Source (they had no compassion or love at all) so they fighted nonstop and finally they blown up their own atmosphere. Some souls reincarnated here and since then they are trying to gain total control over the planet (part of the N.W.O) There are some CIA documents that talk about astral journeys to Mars to find about this stuff.
1 Space_Pecs 2018-05-26
Sounds legit.
Surely you have some evidence to back up your claims.
1 WinterGlitchh 2018-05-26
nice sci fi plot, but definitely not a reasonable thing to believe in real life
1 SadGhoster87 2018-05-26
Can you believe that this is an actual idea some people actually think?
1 Jac0b777 2018-05-26
Fantastic post. I would encourage you to post this stuff elsewhere as well. r/UFOs would be a great relevant sub, and I'm pretty sure r/C_S_T would enjoy this as well.
1 Space_Pecs 2018-05-26
Things in space are strange.
Check out Hyperion, one of Saturn's moons.
1 workwork_workwork 2018-05-26
But how am I supposed to fit my Killary/Trump talking points into this post? Mods, cam we get this removed? haha
1 SadGhoster87 2018-05-26
now THIS is the /r/conspiracy I know.
1 cariboobs 2018-05-26
Mars + conspiracies, what could be better! Wanted to add there’s a monolith on Phobos: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_monolith
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1 ElkeKerman 2018-05-26
Even conspiracy stuff aside, the Phobos Monolith is really cool. It's probably ejecta from a meteor impact and would be a very interesting piece of geology to get a close look at!
1 ElkeKerman 2018-05-26
Even conspiracy stuff aside, the Phobos Monolith is really cool. It's probably ejecta from a meteor impact and would be a very interesting piece of geology to get a close look at!
1 no1113 2018-05-26
Look into Marine Captain Randy Cramer, civilian Tony Rodrigues, Washington attorney Andrew Basiago, and Laura Eisenhower (great grand daughter of president Dwight D. Eisenhower). All have said independent of one another that they have gone to the planet and have had experiences there.
1 JesusXP 2018-05-26
Anyone else notice a weird trend of posts which will have a paragraph completely duplicated within it?
What we do know is that in 1992 NASA contracted with Michael Malin, formerly of JPL and evidently with contacts within the agencies involved, he created his own company which was given exclusive rights over imaging and management of all photographs taken by the Mars Observer probe, the follow up to the Viking mission. His contract allowed him to release or withhold images as he personally saw fit
1 Harvision 2018-05-26
I have details of that in another piece. He was installed to thoroughly go through the images.
As a side note, I was reading Graham Hancock'sMars Mystery book a while back and was astounding to see that he devoted several pages patting Malin on the back to a ridiculous extend (given Hancock's usual position). On then visiting Handcock's site, I see that he tends to leave space things alone these days, not even a category for it.
Another one that gives the appearance of being for the truth, but evidently has been silenced or purchased by TPTB.
1 GeneralApollyon 2018-05-26
if gravity is different on mars why do the hills have the same slope angle as on earth?
1 CaucasianEagle 2018-05-26
The atmosphere is blue ya know.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjUVercIIso
1 MohamedSaad 2018-05-26
awesome post, thanks for sharing.
phobos always fascinated me and mars too, i hope someday we can build a civilization and teraform mars
1 SugarsuiT 2018-05-26
Great posts. I have no doubts the moons (as well as ours) were placed there. In regards to Sagan. He was a great mind. I do have to question his popularity, especially before the internet age. Controlled information has always been the name of the game, even now, Hawking, Tyson, Nye, any scientist who gains popularity should be looked at with a skeptical eye. Sagan more than likely was a puppet. Any astrologer who wants to come out with their true findings, ends up being [suicided](MARCELO.SAUCEDA@fccu.org), (first link I found, old info).
1 COINTELPRO-DISINFO 2018-05-26
Something VERY STRANGE is happening on Mars. Something very strange indeed!
1 berryfarmer 2018-05-26
"Who Built the Moon?"
1 tasztasz 2018-05-26
More posts like that please. I can't look at all this politics.
1 heavyheavylowlowz 2018-05-26
Intrinsict and documented evidence of humans being in that area gives plausibility to her speculation.
Even finding something similar in Antarctica could potentially have plausibility.
Mars, you are strictly guessing on the will to believe plus looping some other fringe theories together to paint a portuate with a brush stroke.
1 Space_Pecs 2018-05-26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpTNfW28kT8
10" telescope. Big, but within the means of amateur astronomers, and honestly it was hyperbole to say "your back yard", because you might live in a city, and there'd be too much light pollution.
1 SiriusDogon 2018-05-26
Authors who claim to be representing rationality should stick to using rational language, instead of placing a great deal of emphasis on name calling and mud slinging.