Excellent post.

My only thing about trump is that he went to Military/Prep school where they beat Patriotism into you, and there are interviews with him from the 80's/90's about tariffs/economic policies that he's doing now, and all the media is against him, the same media that the Feds tell what to report so take that how you will.

Anyhow, regardless of what you think of him, Unfortunately I think 2024 will be Hulk Hogan/Kid Rock vs The Rock/Kim Kardashian

As long as you're on my side for 2024, we're good

With Kim Kardashian as VP, and that's the side you're picking?

And this is all I have to say about Hulk Hogan

lmfao

You are clearly beyond the highest intellect

Johnson has already been groomed by Murdoch and MBS for the presidency. I thought Kanye wanted to run though.. Dwayne and Kanye?

Fake news/

/s

Didn’t he attend a Jesuit school for two years Fordham University? It’s the only Jesuit university in New York. Idk why it matters but Jesuits are sneaky fucks

The Rock would never have KK as his VP.

IT WILL BE Oprah with the Rock, who will stand behind her giving the People’s Eyebrow to those who dare cross the US of A

Where’s the truth again? Maybe a tl:dr to highlight the truth and evidence you found.. And not ramble on about Donald Trump and ignore the problem is much bigger than him.

I fundamentally disagree with the idea of a TL;DR. It's part of the cultural decline. If a few paragraphs and a bulleted list is too much for you to read, I don't want you to read my post. That is my TL;DR. Society is where we're at now because we cater to the lowest common denominator.

God damn... good on you, mate.

Fucking incredible

I fundamentally disagree with the idea of a TL;DR. It's part of the cultural decline. If a few paragraphs and a bulleted list is too much for you to read, I don't want you to read my post.

We need more people like you. You get it.

I fundamentally disagree with the idea of a TL;DR. It's part of the cultural decline. If a few paragraphs and a bulleted list is too much for you to read, I don't want you to read my post. That is my TL;DR. Society is where we're at now because we cater to the lowest common denominator.

That's a joke right? Any type of academic discourse is headlined with an abstract or summary. TLDR's aren't really for not reading the article, it's for referencing what the purpose is while you read it. For one who says a whole subreddit is full of "above the sheeples", you sure do think that of yourself if you think a simple convenience is part of a mass cultural decline.

Take my upvote as I get downvoted by shareblue and bots

This takes 1 minute to read. If you need to condense it any further you're not getting the full picture. The abstract and summary are supposed to give you an overview of what the paper is about so you know you what you are going to be reading. Tldrs are for people who are too lazy to read.

10/10 Great Post!

So Trump is a distraction an we need to redistribute wealth?

Dude, this was so needed. Thank you for taking the time to lay this out. This needs to be constantly reinforced.

they're (mostly) unified and focused, and we're not. And a unified and focused minority can govern a fragmented and distracted population many, many times its own size. What good is being woke if you won't get out of bed?

This makes me think of something Bill Cooper once said... There's a method to their madness and there's not much method to ours.

But seeking the truth is sort of a lonely pursuit. We're all on individual truth journeys and its hard to get on the same page as anyone else. Like we cant even band together about vegas. There isnt even vegas discussion here anymore. I think at this point the only thing that fixes this situation is actual justice.

Remember here isn’t like work or the gym. This sub has bots and shills working to divide. Bring up Vegas at work. People will listen if you are sincere

Until we see this journey for truth as a spiritual battle as well and recognize that we're all interrelated we're going to keep getting blocked and shut down by obstacles.

This is a total war, fought on every front. Keep trying to remember that, with every breath. Every thought, every action, every chemo-electric signal is a move on this battlefield. Fortunately I'm pretty sure the other animals, bacteria, fungi plants and protists are on the people's side.

This is also my philosophy on light vs darkness.

Darkness is focused, while light is everywhere. Darkness can beat light by being constantly focused on it's 'goal/agenda', but that is only due to the passivity of light and the general nature of it being fragmented everywhere. But light will always be more powerful than darkness when focused.

One must always jump on the opportunity to do good and bring light into focus when presented with it.

mmhmm, reminds me of something along the lines of "evil flourishes when good men stand by and do nothing"

exactly! Perfect quote.

Uh.

All public speaking is rooted in the art of deception. Putting on airs, establishing a confident persona, hiding one's fears. The same techniques used by politicians to deceive the masses are the exact same ones used by showmen and preachers, for the exact same reasons. The trouble is when you start expecting honesty and transparency in your politics. In the present system, it's impossible, really. The truth is far too inflammatory. It could start wars. I think it bears asking, what sort of civilization have we created, where merely telling the truth is an unthinkable transgression?

This sub acts like a bunch of cats distracted by the succession of laser pointer shows on the wall.

If anything, our dependence on this sub prolongates our getting fucked because we have become addicted to the ego boosts that come when we validate each other and tell each other how we're not intellectually duped like the rest of the normies. And yet, our anuses tell a different tale.

About damn time all this virtual knowledge became wisdom (action), huh?

This is the realist shit I’ve read all week OP.

But sometimes you gotta swallow a lot of cum.

Just in general.

Stop trying to distract us with distractions that distract us from all the distractions.

This sub acts like a bunch of cats distracted by a succession of laser pointer shows on the wall.

Cats know the truth is out there.

Since I rarely see anyone post about Q anymore I can only assume that you are here to troll, disrupt, or regain the narrative.

Despite your strawman bullshit, I continued reading you post.

The clearest example of cognitive dissonance I can imagine is this: that somehow, a person can wholly believe that there's a deep state that infiltrates and controls the entire political system and yet somehow allowed an anti-establishment figure to be voted in....

There will come a point where the general population break the threshold necessary for benevolent people to take positions of power. Or maybe I'm too optimistic.

It doesn't matter who wins the election, because if it mattered, these apparently omniscient and ever-present government spooks wouldn't let us do it. We wouldn't be allowed to "choose". There is no such thing as an anti-establishment candidate.

Sounds like more strawman bullshit. Omniscience is reserved for the almighty. Very few here ascribe to the idea that the elites wield the kind of power that you claim here.

I like Ron Paul and Ralph Nader in my day and consider them to be somewhat anti-establishment in their own way.

But come on, now. Scroll through some comments on some of these posts. Every event that happens is part of the conspiracy.

Where are you right now? Are you really concern trolling the entertainment of every event's alternative explanation?

I mean I not a fan of some of these posts but as long as there posting is somewhat in accordance with its significance I'm fine.

All of it, you'll find various people who are absolutely certain that it's an inside job. And that's ludicrous enough on its own.

9/11? Are you trolling Truthers too?

But couple that with the idea that this shadowy, sinister government would let a candidate that actually threatens it sit in the Big Chair? Hilarious.

Goes back to what you just claimed is hyperbole that need not be explained.

But you can't have both a government that does 9/11 and a government that lets its people decide who gets to run it.

Some joke I can't recall...

Because if you have both, eventually the people are going to pick someone who's going to spill everything

Wait for it...

Not every single event is the deep state flexing its muscles,

But to find out if it is we must communicate about our suspicions.

And if you still cling to the idea ...you're not paying attention.

Clinging? Or are you just concern trolling people for entertaining?

What a lazy method of argument. You say I'm setting up strawmen, then do the exact same thing

Then point it out.

All you've done so far is try to undermine my points by calling me a troll or a shill. What do you call this style? Does it seem effective?

I am analyzing your post and comments how I see fit. I know that's now a popular sentiment in the censorship age so hopefully I don't get banned!

Why don't you lay out -your- argument instead?

Where, what...?

Convince me that your candidate actually is anti-establishment.

Not my candidate, but he was spied on. So the establishment at the time may have seen him as a threat.

I like Ron Paul and Ralph Nader in my day and consider them to be somewhat anti-establishment in their own way.

As long as you attempt to symbolically abdicate the responsibility for your freedom to people outside of yourself, we will continue to remain in the situation we are in.

Stopping at my voting precinct for 10 minutes is "symbolically abdicating?"

Yes.

Removed. Rule 10.

C'mon, really? This rule needs to be modified.

Posts that attack this sub, users or mods thereof, will be removed. Accusing another user of being a troll or shill can be viewed as an attack, depending on context. First violations will usually result in a warning but bans are at the mods' discretion.

I feel that attacks on the sub and shill and troll accusations are different animals. Get rid of users that shit on the whole of the sub. Individual users should be able to be identified as potential shills.

This is exactly the problem with this platform. It's straight up thought policing. ***Shills Exist*, **Trolls exist ****. Do you want to dance around that idea and enable the disruptors to have their way.

Get rid of users that shit on the whole of the sub.

The irony is that they don't remove the comments and posts like that.

The clearest example of cognitive dissonance I can imagine is this: that somehow, a person can wholly believe that there's a deep state that infiltrates and controls the entire political system and yet somehow allowed an anti-establishment figure to be voted in.

This is a fair and good point and something that I think we should always consider. The fact is Trump is absolutely the most divisive figure in history. Lack of trust in the media was an issue far before he came to office. The 4D chess might be being played on us.

As always the record is everything and prOmises from Q that seem too good to be true, may be just that. They know we don't have the balls to actually do anything so who cares if they lie to a few people.

That being said if it is all a psyop I'm still glad it's not the alternative, because I do not believe Clinton would be governing in the same way that Trump has thus far... I think...

Its not cognitive dissonance. The Deep State is not omnipotent. They clearly tried everything in their power to prevent Trump from winning, and they failed.

I hope you're right.

Ok when you say that you might be a shill, or a bot, then you are 1 of them. Who says that kind of stuff?

You mentioning wrestling is something I've thought about a lot and talked about on other sites. I can't take it seriously. It's all a bunch of bullshit nonsense. Why give it the time of day? Maybe people will say this is a foolish post or say 'it's like you've given up!" Truth be told, I do give up when it concerns this world. I'm somebody that thinks this existence is a trap and I'd rather save all my energy for getting out of here and not coming back instead of playing what amounts to a whack a mole game with the stupid shit going on in this inner world. I don't want to be the rat running around the rat cage while thinking it'll be any different than last time. My hope has ran out, there's no hero riding in to save the day. I don't care if you want to fill in that hero blank with the name of a person, a religious icon or space aliens. Nothing's coming. This world will never become a paradise because evil will always be stronger than good.

evil will always be stronger than good.

Not true at all. We just have too many people that believe this and don't take any action in the real world. We cannot have a perfect existence in this physical realm, but we can have an exponentially better one. But will we? I suppose that's all a matter of how hard we fight to manifest it, because it will require a fight.

Evil is more immediate and dramatic than good. But it will never be stronger. It’s just humans are easily drawn to it. Things will change soon you’ll see

This is a true r/conspiracy post. Well thought out, critical and without bullshit.

Oh lord, another one of these "concern" posts by a "long time member". Man we see one of these at least once a week.

To anyone reading, look through said user's submissions and comments, and see what your gut is telling you. Trust that above anything I or they say.

Common sense and logic!?!? Where’s the fun in that!! Not on my conspiracy sub!!

You know what's really great though? The morning after sleeping with a girl you really like, and you make her breakfast, and you take the time to slice up potatoes and make home made hash browns. You get up before her, kiss her, and start making breakfast. And when it's ready, you poke her awake, and she's all smiles.

Not really concerned with the post history. If you don't like or agree with the content of the post, pick apart what's wrong with it or just move along. I'm concerned with the actual content, and it's excellent.

Le sigh

The McMahons are in deep with the government. I wouldn't be surprised if he personally gave Trump lessons on Charisma. Great post!

Thank fucking you.

In a sub of alleged free thinkers, a healthy dose of skepticism should be maintained about any figure that claims authority.

Look in the mirror.

In a sub of alleged free thinkers, a healthy dose of skepticism should be maintained about any figure that claims authority.

Congratulations, you are eating what the authorities in power are selling you hook, line and sinker.

I can agree to disagree, but save your arrogance. If you're in line with what the corporate media is desperate for everyone to believe, chances are you're on the wrong side. If literally everyone in power passionately hates Trump, is actively pushing propaganda on every subject possible, puts out known lies about him, then maybe you should consider that there is a reason that the most evil people in this country hate him. Passionately.

Left wing politics and right wing politics are two sides of the same coin, thinking that because the media hound on trump that he must be the good guy is extremely naive. In my opinion if an overarching organisation of people really wanted to keep a population controlled, introducing an anti establishment and anti media figure to pose as a “threat” to half the country and a saviour to the other half is a perfect way to keep control of the entire population rather than just one side who was inevitably getting exhausted of the Democrats and starting to want change, humans will always come to want change sooner or later so they either had to give this to the country and be in control of it or let it turn into revolutions.

I’m not looking to argue with you here. I’m legitimately just trying to understand your point of view... But how is it “absolutely known the russian narrative is false”? Where are you getting that information from?

He’s pulling it out of his ass. No one can make that statement right now and stand by it. He may believe it but he can’t prove it even though everything available suggests otherwise.

But how is it “absolutely known the russian narrative is false”? Where are you getting that information from?

We've known this for a year and a half (including the fact that Trump was spied on). It's spread across dozens of little pieces of information that eventually give you a picture of what was going on. Honestly, I was about to bypass this question because it's just too damn hard to explain to people who haven't been following it all. You can't truly believe the scope of it all until you see it for yourself.

But lo! I just saw Judge Jeanine do an opening for her show that was utterly devastating on all this. This is a good "masses level" red pill. It's so much worse than this. But it's been coming apart so badly for the deep state that their stories are completely shredding, and there's enough at the mainstream level to see the smoke clearly.

Watch this

By the way, I'm not trying to sound like an arrogant asshole with the "red pill" shit. I was just as asleep as everyone else. It's fucking hard to wake up when we're in a propaganda war. It happens to different people at different times. Nobody wants to believe it really got that bad, and it took fucking Donald Trump (DONALD FUCKING TRUMP) to save the world. It's beyond belief.

Okay, I’m going to start from the beginning here and you feel free to argue with me on any point you would like.

1.) When the President tweeted about wiretapping he explicitly stated that Obama himself ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower and his phone. That’s not at all what happened. The DOJ wiretapped Paul Manafort because of his connections to Russia. There is no evidence that Obama ordered wiretapping of Trump. That is a lie by the President.

2.) Then she just blatantly says that there was a spy in the campaign. There is NO evidence for that. The only evidence she brings to the table is Comey and that other guy saying that there is no evidence and it didn’t happen. Then she brings in Clapper saying that they weren’t spying on Trump they were spying on the Russians and insinuates that that somehow proves her point? The only point that proves is that you equate spying on Russians with spying on Donald Trump.

3.) The “deep state” did no such thing with Hillary to help her win the election. They did not let her skate and they did not create any kind of false criminal narrative around Trump. If you’ll remember 11 days before the election James Comey reopened the investigation into Hillary Clinton. A move that many democrats consider the reason Hillary lost. If Comey was a part of this deep state why would he make a move so obviously in Trumps favor? Also there was not a criminal narrative when Trump was running for President. At that point I don’t remember (but correct me if I’m wrong) anyone trying to say that Trump was colluding with Russia. Especially no one in the mainstream media. There were concerns about his history of sexual assault, but we have actual recorded evidence of him admitting to sexually assaulting women. So that’s not creating a false narrative. Also, there was concern over his businesses and how he would ethically handle all his money and his foreign ties when assuming the Presidency. But that is something any millionaire would be asked if they won the Presidency. No false narrative.

4.) She is correct that Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC hired Fusion GPS to do research into Trump that eventually led to the Steele dossier. I would also like to point out though that a Republican was paying for the research before the democrats began paying for it in April 2016. In addition it’s important to remember that just because one party paid for the research doesn’t mean it’s inherently untrue. And opposition research is not uncommon during an election. And even if they did use that as a reason to look into the Trump campaign shouldn’t we be okay with that? If we want to hold people accountable we need to investigate everything that has the possibility of being the truth. Like all of the investigations into Hillary Clinton.. To say that it shouldn’t have been looked into is to say you just believe Trump is innocent without any evidence that he is. You’ve taken his word over intelligence agencies. Which is a dangerous game to play.

5.) I’m not even going to get in to her chart at the end because to be honest I’m sure that all those people did lie at some point. I’m not here to tell you government officials love the truth. But to use that as evidence is absolute bullshit. The Trump administration lies CONSTANTLY about everything from the inauguration size to the tax cuts. Trying to frame either side as carriers of t he truth is incredibly naive and you’re falling right into the propaganda trap.

I didn’t come here to argue with you, I was seriously trying to understand. But I can’t have someone tell me that I need to wake up and then site Fox News as the reason. You wanna talk about propaganda rewatch that Judge Jeanine clip. That IS propaganda. You are not being given facts you are being given barely connected storylines that they attempt to baselessly weave together to create a broader narrative.

I’m not saying either side is right or righteous, but jesus man you say you’ve woken up but you’re letting them tell you what to think and not looking into it for yourself at all. That’s not waking up you’ve fallen asleep at the goddamn wheel and when you wake up we’re going to be in a world where nothing is truth only partisan fucking politics. Question what’s being given to you.

I respect that you truly believe all that to be true, and I understand why you think it's true. All I will say is that you should keep your mind open that things may not be what they seem, and to brace yourself to have your reality shaken at what gets released in the future. Because a hell of a lot more is coming.

I'll leave you with this. Let's side aside Trump. All things being equal, I'd say we should be against known bad guys, right? Because chances are, they're connected to the corruption we both want to get ripped out.

John Brennan's CIA hacked our Senate's computers. And Brennan lied about it under oath. Really roll that around in your head: OUR SENATE WAS HACKED BY OUR OWN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY. And suffered no consequences for it.

Was he punished by Obama? What do you think? Does anybody remember and bring this up when Brennan is all over the news? What do you think?

This only the tiniest taste of how corrupt everything is. Like I said, don't fixate on Trump. That's what they want you to do, because he's such a polarizing character. Learn how corrupt everything is, both Democrats and Republicans. Start there, and then decide what's true and false.

Like I said, I respect everything you wrote. I completely understand why you think it's true. I thought the same thing. There's a much bigger picture to find.

Trump is the ruling class homie

Why did you vote for clinton if you hate the ruling class so much?

I wonder if Reddit is selling inactive and years old accounts to Shareblue or any other political organization, including OP.

I can meet you halfway on this with the "healthy dose of skepticism." But it can't be denied that there's been literally HUNDREDS of people in positions in authority--politicians (how many aren't running for re-election or have already resigned? 50? 70?), corporate executives (well past 300 now) and NGO leaders.

Something's up. It's not business as usual.

Agree with your piece, very well said. Not really sure what you're getting at with your call-to-action bit is at the end tho, do you care to elaborate?

We come here for out of the box thinking that reflect reqlity more than the msm echo chambers that shill bots and idiots scream. If we dont fight them, they will over run this sub more than they already have.

lol these concern trolls are getting ridiculous

there was an anti establishment candidate named Bernie that got shat on.

Who instead advocated for socialism... A big red flag for many free thinkers out there.

Social welfare programs is not Socialism. Like most of EU for example.

some folks dont understand how a democracy can still function with social programs. It's as if we'll lose our right to vote if we have social security or welfare.

Sanders policies were economic suicide for the country, worse than what we have now.

He's jewish and liberal, he must be a shill!

Lol what Bernie is the establishment, check out his foreign policy record, being a socialist doesn’t make you anti establishment. Obviously he would have been a better choice then Clinton or Trump, but he would have just continued the same policies overall with a more liberal/socialist agenda.

i did read the OP. You didnt read the DNC leaks from wikileaks that showed how the DNC worked with Hillary to help make Trump a pied piper. I thought this was common knowledge

He was just another character in the Professional US General Elections MMXVI, playing the role of babyface. Read the post before replying.

Thanks, I enjoyed reading that, it was very reasonable and makes sense!

I will just explain why I support trump: it seems like his election has led to some actual strife within the ruling class and some changes. For now, the fighting seems to be real, but we will see if any higher figures get in trouble. There does seem to be a real change in how abusers and human traffickers are being pursued by law enforcement. A lot remains the same, with his Goldman Sachs cabinet, Tillerson, etc. I just like the fighting, which seems genuine, and the possibility of changes. To me he's better than the bush/Clinton/Obama group which would gain by his removal. It seems almost like CIA vs DOD struggling for dominance, while the masters of the central banks continue to do whatever they wish, uninterrupted.

If you want to read an interesting take on the changes in store, read Pepe Escobar. He writes a lot of great articles for Asia Times. This one supposedly details why trump was allowed to become president.

An excerpt:

“The Masters made money out of transfer of industry to Asia (Bain Capital specialized in this), and Wall Street made money from the lower interest rates on the recycled dollars from the trade deficits. But now, the issue is strategic; and they will make money on the return of industries scaling down their investments in Asia and returning them to the United States as we rebuild production here.”

Great thread, wonderful explanation of the wrestling terminology, as the main message board I post in and specifically the thread that I post in has been seeing a pretty large uptick in using the same terminology to describe the happenings of this administration. For all intents and purposes, with how much illegality, corruption, bad actors, etc..we should be in the conspiracy theory golden age, because there are so many breadcrumbs, and such obvious illegality, the conspiracy theory sleuths should be putting in WORK, instead, it’s equal parts sycophantic defense of the president of the United States (what?) equal parts Clinton/Obummer will be getting arrested and executed for treason from about 60+% of the sub, until the last couple/few weeks, thank god.

There was a kid crying about us criticizing DJTrumpster a couple of days ago, he called us shill for criticizing him like we do any other person in power. What a cuck!

You’re right. But the shills are brick walls. They arent here to debate they are here to argue like a lawyer despite the evidence. I started with that very open mind of debate and reason. But soon after swearing and shouting at my phone you realise it’s pointless arguing or putting your point across to the shills.

When you have frosted yourself telling someone the sea is wet and sky blue that they have vehemently denied and called you deluded and crazy in the meantime. Then yes you soon grow a thick skin and can generally spot shills a mile off. Certainly in Mandela effect forum there is literally a 50/50 split of shills and real poster. Being skeptic is fine. But if you aren’t prepared to look at evidence either then, well an argument ensues.

Trump was just "Hope and Change" v2.0

I felt bad for all the people (people that don't have two nickels to rub together) that somehow thought a narcissistic billionaire was on their side.

Bottom line is none of the scum in DC serve the American people, doesn't matter which side you choose.

Trump vs the Deep State is a battle that was created in order to institute the next stage of whatever the real evil forces of the world have planned. Both sides are not on the side of the citizen and they both are corrupt. They are on their own sides. Q is brainwashing people to engage in this battle on Trumps side and will incite civil uprisings once the fire gets too hot from Mueller's investigation. The battle taking place is all that matters to Satan. Whoever takes the reigns when the dust has settled is going to be able to demonize Republicans and Christians because they fought for Trump so vehemently and caused a civil war. The Republican party will essentially be dead. They'll take our guns too because of this battle that was only possible because of the 2nd amendment. Most of the American people will willingly give them up because of this and we're already seeing the tide changing due to using those kids as spoke people for the anti gun movement. This has all been set up, move by move. Satan used Christianity as a weapon against itself. By attaching conservativism and Christianity to Trump, he'll take them both down with him when the full extent of his corruption is exposed. They'll never recover from that. And everyone who believed enough in those things to fight for them will be dead due to the battle. This is a full scale deception worthy of Satan himself. The only one's on the people's side are the people themselves. The rest is pro wrestling. A predetermined match meant to distract us where we suspend disbelief in order to get invested in the outcome. It's a ruse. The outcome is already known and we, the citizens, are the ones who are going to lose.

Hegelian Dialectic manipulation of political events.

2 Thessalonians 2

Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

I feel like the rebellion is happening now with this whole Trump vs Deep State thing and the "now you know what is holding him back" part is referring to the belief in Christianity. If my theory is true, whoever emerges out of this as the leader of America will try to usher in peace by demonizing anything associated with Trump, including Christianity. Probably even using the information about the aliens, using it in a way to fool people into trusting the wrong side. They'll tell everyone about this stuff and then claim to be on humanities side but really be the evil ones. Satan presents himself as an angel of light. This will most likely involve the Antichrist. If Trump survives the Mueller investigation and the coming civil war, he is the AntiChrist. The evidence for it is piling up but I'm not going to believe it unless he gets out of this Russia scandal unscathed. There's so much dirt, the only way he survives is some sort of supernatural interference or some absolutely brilliant plan that's been set up for decades. FBI corruption could derail the whole thing and the story will shift from "Is Trump guilty?" to "The FBI and US government is corrupt". Forgetting the fact that both could be true. I think that's the true genius of this plan, there are no innocent or good forces at play here. Just two evil sides our citizens are split on who to support. They got the anti-government right wingers to support one of the most corrupt presidents ever and got them willing to go to war to protect his presidency. They used these right wingers knowledge of their plan and their own arrogance and self righteousness against them. Instead of bringing about the civil war themselves, they got the right wingers to do it. Obama was a red herring to get Trump in office.

"Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction." Sounds like that could be Obama to me.

Thank you, you nailed it. This place gives me the creeps lately.

I agree with you. However, I question who the "audience" actually is. Is it us, the American citizens? Is it citizens of other countries? Is it governments of other countries, or maybe Trump is dividing and conquering his political opponents, and the show is for them. Hard to say right now, but it clearly is a show and that's been obvious to a lot of us since the beginning. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.

Overall, this sub is now nothing but a political tool. Most posts are just politics, not even talking about any kind of conspiracy (or with one pretty much shoehorned in), and depending on topic/source/poster/brigading are either worthy of /r/politics or /r/The_Donald.

When it comes to politics I'd love my views to get challenged, to talk with people making real points so that I'd reconsider my positions. Instead whenever politics are involved (so, 90%+ of threads atm), it's either "lol angry librul" or "lol Trump dumb".

It's honestly dreadful to see the sub that should question everything fall right into the trap of current politics, which is basically turning US (and slowly global) politics into nothing but a sports show. People are slowly being turned into zombies with zero interest in truth anymore, all that matter is that their "team" said it.

I like a lot of what you are saying here.

In a world like this we always need to check ourselves and ask, could this be a trap? Could this be a fabricated situation designed to turn me into an actor in someone else's scheme?

I think you will like my work at steemit, check out privacy workshop, #10 asks the question do you want to be ruled by cults and mafias forever?
https://steemit.com/@mindhawk

let me know what you think.

Seeking the truth and trying to convince other people of your way of thinking are two different things. This sub is filled with fake accounts that downvote anything anti-Hillary / anti-establishment narrative. It's not as complicated as you make it sound, and anyone who has been here for years knows it.

It's consoling to know that there's at least a few other people on this sub who see through the mirage other than me in a similar way (falling into the trap here that you mention), when almost everyday posts about Bernie and weed are voted to tens of thousand. I seriously think that we need US politics and 420 filter on this sub.

>If you immediately box off any voice from outside of the echoing chamber as a "shill" and stop listening, you are killing discourse just as effectively as any shills.

*chans seem to be suffering from this the most, along with any user community, this included, that becomes a little too big and united for the comfort level of TPTB. Hurling shill accusations left and right seems to be the way to cause cracks in the trust among the users, and disintegrate them. If you truly suspect someone of being a shill, the best thing would be to ignore them, or perhaps leave a simple counter-argument for other readers and move on.

In addition to the "canned heat," I'd also like to add just "heat," which I think is the fundamental property that the whole political theatre of the West and, of course, pro-wrestling revolves around. Keeping the masses emotionally charged, or hot, makes it easy to manipulate them (for $ and dominance, the latter being psychologically/biologically rewarding) and wards off any logical, critical thoughts that might challenge the position of those at the top.

If you as a reader come to these conclusions as well, the first step to the only solution I can think of is to stop playing ball and not vote; refuse to partake in this hojiggery.

I think we give the people at the top too much credit. They can be just as lazy and unorganized as people at the bottom. Their ownership of a lot of money is like the beach nut- effect when you shake a can of mixed nuts. Some rise to the top and some fall to the bottom based on size. Some people are good at organizing business and money. They are collectors of money and power. Just happens naturally for them. Then they use the power to get into office. Then they use it to stay in office.

One thing is for sure: the average American is an idiot. Every economic level has their own stupid stunts. Ex- the middle class can’t get past owning a new bullshit built home, and a dodge mini suv piece of shit, and they spend 75% of their waking life tryin to obtain their house and car. Lmao! .... the poor can’t get past their dope, beer, dodge caravan, superstitions, etc... AND ALL THE ELITES KNOW THIS PATTERN. THEY HAVE THIS SHIT CLOCKED. They can pander to any group based on a few stupid ass addictions they have and will never get past.

Hey op, you want the real Harsh Truth? Look at who has the upvotes in your thread.

If your truth was so hard, would everyone be rushing in to jerk you off? If you have any intellectual honesty at all, you’ll recognize that cognitive dissonance when it hits and realize you’re preaching to the choir... and just maybe a puppet yourself.

Trump is working the boys.

"Working yourself into a shoot" is more akin to getting so caught up in the story you're trying to tell, or getting yourself over despite it, that you forget the whole thing is fake, usually to the detriment of the worker.

"Working yourself into a shoot" is more akin to getting so caught up in the story you're trying to tell, or getting yourself over despite it, that you forget the whole thing is fake, usually to the detriment of the worker.

The clearest example of cognitive dissonance I can imagine is this: that somehow, a person can wholly believe that there's a deep state that infiltrates and controls the entire political system and yet somehow allowed an anti-establishment figure to be voted in.

THAT is the clearest example of cognitive dissonance???

No one says that the deep state controls the ENTIRE political system though. That's your take on it.

If what you say is true, there would be no reason to assassinate JFK or attempt to kill Reagan.

So, there must be more factors at play here.

You are overlooking secret societies entirely, most notably.

Yeah. All the globalists forgot that once implemented, the nwo will have no spot for deep state at the national level. Whoops.

they're (mostly) unified and focused, and we're not. And a unified and focused minority can govern a fragmented and distracted population many, many times its own size

Agreed. But there are many dimensions of this situation that are larger than any social media presence or manipulation. For instance, it really matters that the "middle class" and the "lower class" get unified. Think of the issues that divide them (like immigration). It also matters that people refuse to accept the divisions based on genetic and cultural backgrounds. We must achieve a "Star Trek crew" mentality, where even aliens will be accepted on their merits.

If you immediately box off any voice from outside of the echoing chamber as a "shill" and stop listening, you are killing discourse just as effectively as any shills.

This is exactly what you are doing with this post

The issue is there has been a political conspiracy to overturn the result of the election with all the Russian collision hoax, fake dossiers and other nonsense. The media coverage has also been unbelievably negative on Trump to the extreme. It's a strange reality when supporting the president is counter culture. The fervant support you observe is a push back against this. Personally i think Trump has done a lot of good. But what most people never discuss because really it has bipartisan support is the state of government spending. The us is running a 100 billion dollar a month deficit which is unpresidented. The economy could blow up before his term is over which will pave the way for some kind of socialist nightmare.

OP I completely agree with your views here but are selling this sub short. I think there are many lurkers on here who know Q Anon is bullshit/psyop we just don't want to speak up because doing so sucks you into these asinine arguments. They claim Trump is crushing the NWO even though his track record has without a doubt shown the Q narrative to be nothing more than controlled opposition. Just because he brings up "the deep state" doesn't mean he's this knight in shining armor to save us from globalization. The media definitely hates his fucking guts & it's possible he is trying to make positive change for America, but his policies in this forced global economy will make America less relevant. I think he's just going to be the fall guy, have you ever seen Affected Collective's video on "the last president"? It's interesting stuff!

https://youtu.be/aaG23Zv_-_8

Removed. Rule 10.

I like Ron Paul and Ralph Nader in my day and consider them to be somewhat anti-establishment in their own way.

As long as you attempt to symbolically abdicate the responsibility for your freedom to people outside of yourself, we will continue to remain in the situation we are in.

Okay, I’m going to start from the beginning here and you feel free to argue with me on any point you would like.

1.) When the President tweeted about wiretapping he explicitly stated that Obama himself ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower and his phone. That’s not at all what happened. The DOJ wiretapped Paul Manafort because of his connections to Russia. There is no evidence that Obama ordered wiretapping of Trump. That is a lie by the President.

2.) Then she just blatantly says that there was a spy in the campaign. There is NO evidence for that. The only evidence she brings to the table is Comey and that other guy saying that there is no evidence and it didn’t happen. Then she brings in Clapper saying that they weren’t spying on Trump they were spying on the Russians and insinuates that that somehow proves her point? The only point that proves is that you equate spying on Russians with spying on Donald Trump.

3.) The “deep state” did no such thing with Hillary to help her win the election. They did not let her skate and they did not create any kind of false criminal narrative around Trump. If you’ll remember 11 days before the election James Comey reopened the investigation into Hillary Clinton. A move that many democrats consider the reason Hillary lost. If Comey was a part of this deep state why would he make a move so obviously in Trumps favor? Also there was not a criminal narrative when Trump was running for President. At that point I don’t remember (but correct me if I’m wrong) anyone trying to say that Trump was colluding with Russia. Especially no one in the mainstream media. There were concerns about his history of sexual assault, but we have actual recorded evidence of him admitting to sexually assaulting women. So that’s not creating a false narrative. Also, there was concern over his businesses and how he would ethically handle all his money and his foreign ties when assuming the Presidency. But that is something any millionaire would be asked if they won the Presidency. No false narrative.

4.) She is correct that Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC hired Fusion GPS to do research into Trump that eventually led to the Steele dossier. I would also like to point out though that a Republican was paying for the research before the democrats began paying for it in April 2016. In addition it’s important to remember that just because one party paid for the research doesn’t mean it’s inherently untrue. And opposition research is not uncommon during an election. And even if they did use that as a reason to look into the Trump campaign shouldn’t we be okay with that? If we want to hold people accountable we need to investigate everything that has the possibility of being the truth. Like all of the investigations into Hillary Clinton.. To say that it shouldn’t have been looked into is to say you just believe Trump is innocent without any evidence that he is. You’ve taken his word over intelligence agencies. Which is a dangerous game to play.

5.) I’m not even going to get in to her chart at the end because to be honest I’m sure that all those people did lie at some point. I’m not here to tell you government officials love the truth. But to use that as evidence is absolute bullshit. The Trump administration lies CONSTANTLY about everything from the inauguration size to the tax cuts. Trying to frame either side as carriers of t he truth is incredibly naive and you’re falling right into the propaganda trap.

I didn’t come here to argue with you, I was seriously trying to understand. But I can’t have someone tell me that I need to wake up and then site Fox News as the reason. You wanna talk about propaganda rewatch that Judge Jeanine clip. That IS propaganda. You are not being given facts you are being given barely connected storylines that they attempt to baselessly weave together to create a broader narrative.

I’m not saying either side is right or righteous, but jesus man you say you’ve woken up but you’re letting them tell you what to think and not looking into it for yourself at all. That’s not waking up you’ve fallen asleep at the goddamn wheel and when you wake up we’re going to be in a world where nothing is truth only partisan fucking politics. Question what’s being given to you.