We are slaves

1  2018-05-31 by BabyfaceHNK

12 years of compulsory behaviour education

"Sit down, shut up, do your work"

How can your learn or practice Democracy in a totalitarian environment?

Followed by spending your life working for a company.

And when your body is failing, and if you've saved and made the right choices, you are allowed at that point to enjoy your life. To go garden or play shuffle board. Woohoo!

Outside the gates of Auschwitz it says "work will make you free"

In America and the rest of the developed world were working for our "retirement"

Retirement sounds alot like freedom.

I think.at this point I'm far enough into crazytown that I believe each country is it's own plantation and that Americans are simply pampered slaves. Asleep and working with a smile.

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Most people will mever realize we are endentured servants till death.

https://youtu.be/29atSZKbmS4

Go learn what indentured servitude is and explain to me how you are one of them.

My understanding of slavery works as follows

Chattel slavery - they own you and any life you make

Indentured slavery - just trying out chattel slavery for a few years

Wage/debt slaves- where we are now. Better than both previous forms of slavery and way less racist because it's equal opportunity.

Work needs to get done. Imagine a world where nobody worked.

Improving the conditions of modern workers = no more work?

In 1776 it made sense to vote on a representative to vote on decisions for you.

Doesn't make sense for a whole town to hop on horseback and go ride out. Nothing would get done.

But now in 2018 with computers and smartphones?

Robots and AI are going to answer that question soon enough

Well yes, death or work is an easy choice. In this world people would work to satisfy their needs, then not work.

However that is not the question here. We now work to improve the quality of life for others. Serfdom, indentured, wage slave, all the same.

it is truly amazing how quickly Google is scrubbing info based on what we discuss lately here on Reddit. ie shortly after Rothschilds name change (from sax coburn or something like that), much fewer results show up about it on Google. Nazis incognito so the whole if it weren't for the British we'd all be speaking German is just a cover.

The eye is on us. We are the goy who will be slaughtered first. It says in the Talmud to kill the best of the gentiles. They want to catalog us for future extermination. Truly diversity of opinion. They fear those the most who are willing to die for what they believe. Those willing to die for truth. You can never bribe someone who knows they are fighting against Satan incarnate.

I didn't know that the Jews believed in Satan. I thought hell didn't exist in that faith.

When a being wants servants, wants to dominate and control, is comfortable with deception and coercion to achieve imbalanced value exchange relationships, it's a demon. Their God is a demon, because he supports demonic behaviors. The title nor name isn't important, the pattern of behavior and its effects on consciousness in causality are import.

If that were the case, then you could make a case that a sizable portion of all humans who have ever lived throughout history have been "demons". Is this the case?

Or is it because when we strip away the thin veneer of civilization, it turns out control, involuntary servitude, and selfish desires are the true nature of humans?

We aren't as advanced, morally and ethically speaking, as we'd like to think, and humans are only a few steps away from becoming the savages we've always been.

Isn't it interesting how what we perceive to be our nature becomes our nature?

We are selfish and selfless. Neither is exclusively our true nature.

Selfishness is emphasized by those who embrace it as a way of life, because it makes them feel more comfortable with choices they've already made. We seek to justify what we choose to do.

Actually, social animals developed better memory and brains to remember who is who and what they did. This evolution allows group members to practice giving behaviors with each other. The inevitable moochers are dealt with by memory and social punishment. If they don't reciprocate, they don't get services from others in the group. Humans are the best example of this evolution available.

Social animals evolved reciprocity on top of selfishness. Selfishness is expected to be accepted in some cases, but natural social tendencies have us punish those who harm the group or members within the group too much with it.

The perspective people project into others is a window into their mind, into how they see the world 8n relation to themselves. That's why some say that we are selfish and some say we are giving. It's sort of like a mirror of self.

This is true, but I believe that both selfishness and a giving nature are sparingly used within and without a certain group of people.

You could find a group of people calling for death and bloodshed to another group that is different from them, while simultaneously generous with the fellows in their group.

I would label this (for lack of a better term) as a grey area, and most certainly a complex facet of human nature.

I've looked into this and found something that few others speak about.

Our empathy is enabled and disabled by our ability to connect our sense of personal identity to another.

So, as you said, a group can be kind to their own, but evil to others. This is why. Their group is human like they are. The other group is less human, less connected to ones sense of personal identity. So, empathy is disabled to some degree.

It's not gray to me. It's just another piece of the puzzle of our behavior I've examined.

What I wonder about is if some psychopaths are created by disassociation of personal identity from the rest of humanity.

People use brain scans to show areas of the brain that light up for different tasks, but the correlation is not causation fallacy is so easy for the mind to fall into. If you choose to not use your mind the way that is expected, it won't light up and they will conclude your brain isn't work the way it should. Yet, the problem can be changed simply by having a new belief, which allows for new thought, feeling and action.

So, when we scan those who have shut down empathy, I don't think it's necessary caused by a physical problem nor is incurable. In many cases it probably is that way, but I think some psychopaths are created by life experiences rather than brain injury or genetics.

Much like the Japanese WWII Unit 731 (and to a degree, the Nazi doctors of concentration camps), the doctors who would preform abhorrent experiments on humans were desensitized by experimenting on animals for years beforehand, oftentimes without anesthesia. One could agree with the notion that a lack of empathy comes from different experiences which do not reward the areas of the brain associated with empathy.

Is this something that is systematic in cultures today? Like you've stated, a lack of empathy often arises from a lack of connection, much how many will despise immigrants from foreign lands because they do not see any similarities in them. I'm not sure there is a concrete answer to my aforementioned question. However, one concept that stands out to me (which is almost never thought about, let alone discussed in a more political and influential medium) is the fact that all humans have one thing in common: death. We all share a bond in our mortality, and while this would connect us in theory, it never quite seems to make even the slightest dent in our perceptions of others that are different.

So you're telling me that you don't have the freedom to go garden or play shuffleboard?

I'm telling you that we have permission to do things. Not freedom

A clearly definable difference.

If you want to protest and assemble to beg for help and change you have to have a permit. You need permission to beg

I think college is an academically enforced caste system, it elevates the few yes, but it's used as an excuse to pay the majority less.

Compare jobs and job duties and pay side by side. People watching people work make more than the people working

Look at the structure of any business, it's practically the same mold as a plantation. The owner makes bank and the workers get to eat.

You don't need permission to play shuffleboard or garden.

enforced caste system

Not just college academia, that caste system is in place in all of western society. The lower castes are cared for better than any time in history, but the primary difference is that this caste system is draped in the novelty of technology and the megaphone of mass media.

I think this is being done to domesticate the bulk of humanity so that they can be exploited like a resource. That is just my opinion though.

Exactly, destroy self-reliance, force dependence, then you have them by the balls. They want us to be helpless and not capable of thinking for ourselves. When you think about it, the system is designed to either bribe those who wise up, or destroy them.

Even the masters are slaves to their senses and desires.

If you can't control your desire and passion you're a slave to it

Ascetism is empowering but difficult in practice

Only those with devotion for their higher self (God) can conquer their lower self. Asceticism is only possible when done out of love for that Self. Otherwise, the mind will continue to dwell on the lower taste while the sense are restrained.

One must achieve a higher taste to give up the lower taste.

Turn on, tune in, drop out.

But yes compulsory government education during a child's formative years is very dangerous. And if you don't think so you drank the koolaid.

Don't have kids, don't want kids.

But recently I've been telling myself that if I ever did have children, they would be home schooled.

I work in education. It is a joke.

I was. No regrets. I guess highschool is big for social development but it also develops you into what they want.

Felt weird taking courses at my local college and feeling more mature than my peers despite being 16. Swear I'm not a neckbeard; just an observation.

You don't even need school since college starts at square 1 anyway

I know this gets thrown around a lot, but John Gatto's Dumbing Us Down really opened my eyes to the tragedy that is America's education system. It is worth the read.

From my own personal experience, I went from kindergarten through senior year of high school believing I was dumb. Mainly due to how my teachers viewed me and how my peers responded to me. I swore off education and college from high school graduation until about my mid-twenties. That time frame was spent "taking my lumps" as I call it. I worked dead end factory jobs and spent my off days at the public library. I always had an interest in reading but was told throughout my school years that reading was "a hobby".

College absolutely starts at square one, but if I ever had kids, I think I could do a much better job preparing them for higher education than a high school could. Knowledge is about experience, discovery, and practicality. Geometry and physics never made sense to me until I started playing billiards for money. Grammar and syntax seemed like tedious rules to be forgotten until I started reading poetry. Science and biology was just a bunch of terms until I started taking an interest in growing a garden.

I feel like a child's mind would be much more receptive to engaged learning activities as opposed to sitting behind a desk and being told to focus on math until the lunch bell rings.

I feel like a child's mind would be much more receptive to engaged learning activities as opposed to sitting behind a desk and being told to focus on math until the lunch bell rings.

Exactly this. It destroys the child's natural curiosity and will to learn because they made it so tortuous. Nevermind that they don't teach kids to think as much as repeat/appeal to authority.

I know this gets thrown around a lot, but John Gatto's Dumbing Us Down really opened my eyes to the tragedy that is America's education system. It is worth the read.

Upvoted. Excellent work. Good to see more people mentioning JTG.

School does not exist to make us smarter and never did.

JTG lays the truth out like nobody before him.

Six Purposes of Schooling.

Only about ten minutes.

slaves do stuff for others, right? right. and these "others" give them instruction, right? right. and these "others" tend to not give good instruction, right? just use your own experience as a guideline, eh. right. and these "bad instructions" provide room for ambiguous interpretation, right? right. and the design of these so called "bosses" to manage the unambiguous interpretation - they're one to many, right? right. ok then. and the design of these "bosses" - they're just like you and i, more or less, right? right. and these "instruction" given to you by "your boss" are part of a context wherein this pattern is repeated all over the place by other "bosses" on other "slaves", right? right. and you see that this has all worked out such that the "ambiguity problem" has decreased over time with this whole system in place, right? err. right!!? hmmm...ok then. carry on. nothing to see here.

I have a hard time following this train of thought. Might be the writing but it could always be my ability to comprehend as well

what i'm saying is that hierarchy sucks and is easy to break

I get what your saying. You need to be taught how to do something and if you are efficient at it, you get paid more.

Maybe you should just focus on how the work your doing can positively effect your community and those around you, you will find that working does not always mean resignation and acceptance. It can be fulfilling and provide purpose. However, if people want o stay in a victim mentality mindset, who am I to pull them out of their own self wallowing.

  1. How long can you afford not to work?

And

  1. Can you file your own taxes without software or tax guy?

Do you not find it interesting that in a society where all must pay taxes, no one seems to learn it in school?

No one is taught basic economics either.

Yeah, in public school I was taught how to PAY money, as in how to write checks etc, but did they teach us how to do a basic income tax form? Hell no.

School is prison, Work is slave camp.

What's welfare?

Easy way out

An excuse for a lack of outrage

"work will make you free"

Wrong, its Arbeit macht Frei.

Troll

Lern Deutsch!

I called you a troll because it means the same thing in translation

Get yourself some humor dude. Its pathetic

I wasn't attacking you or trying to be hostile in my responses. I did find it humorous and was letting you know that I understood your intent from the get go.

Leisure time (like in retirement) affords you 2 important things. Time to think critically and time to make friends and build new relationships. Its difficult to make strong relationships working 10 hour days in Corporate America filled with back stabbing SOBs. Sure you have "work friends" but could you call them to pick you up from the airport at midnight in a jam (assume you lost your phone and wallet)? Using leisure time to think critically and discover truth is an obvious thing deprived many working long hours.

I think keeping workers on rotating schedules week by week rather than a static one also helps to isolate.

Its hard to keep up and maintain friendships and relationships outside of the workplace when you never have similar days off.

Anytime I see a march or protest gathering I can't help but to think.... Don't you people have jobs?

Anytime I see a march or protest gathering I can't help but to think.... Don't you people have jobs?

They’re paid protestors

Maybe they took the day off beforehand? And maybe they can grab numbers from people they relate with while they are at the protest/March. That's not really a long walk to an easy conclusion. Everyone has a cellphone nowadays.

This is what confuses me about people who like and enjoy working past their 8 hours. Don't they want to go be free?

The brainwashing is strong to work more hours, not take vacation days to "get ahead" or get noticed etc. I had a boss that worked from 6AM to 10PM for years.
A survey of nurses says close to 0% of people on their deathbed wished they worked more.

Problem with work is that there are few ways around it and most of those ways involve being super lucky.

I own my own business, for the last 30 years, if things get slow, I will go out and beat the streets, and talk to people, you know, take it upon myself to drum up more business. This always works, but in the last several years, about once a month, sometimes more, the police will roll up on me, ask me what I'm doing, I will tell them, I'm talking to people. That's when they tell me, I cannot be doing that without a permit. So I say, okay, no problem, let me run up to the city hall and get one. About 80% of the cities that I go to, give me the run-around, or just straight out tell me they do not sell permits for this type of thing. At that point, I'm done. Unless I want to get a ticket, or even go to jail. Doesn't sound very free to me, does it to you?

That's sickening. Can't even talk to people? Do these cops have NOTHING better to do? It occurred to me that it's suspicious how easy it is to get all your rights stripped away the second a police officer doesn't like your face. According to the constitution, slavery is illegal, with the exception of those who are incarcerated. Essentially cops have the power to make people slaves. Unless you've got the money to back up your own worth, to the government, you're useless and are better off being exploited. I used to think there were methods in place to keep justice. But it seems that's a difficult thing to find buried amongst the bureaucratic bullshit. If people knew the kind of shit that was going on, I'd like to think they'd be pissed about it. Solicitation is one thing, but just talking?

If you show up unannounced to someone's residence, or their business, talking to people is considered solicitation. And even taking that into consideration, so what? do I not have the right to be an entrepreneurial business person and take it upon myself to go out and make money, as long as I am not selling anything illegal?

"Free assembly."

In order to argue this argument, you would either have to go in front of the city council, in every single city that you wish to change the law in, or be arrested, and then hire a lawyer and take it to court. The police are not trying to hear it.

Do these cops have NOTHING better to do?

Cops don't become cops because they see the law as a stable platform for people to build lives on. Cops become cops to use the law as a means to power. Segregation, slavery, Prohibition, the Drug War and so on, couldn't have happened without cops. Police are a greater threat to most people in the US than terrorists or gangs. Errr, non-LEO gangs. Police powers are to harass, intimidate, cite, detain and kill. Those aren't positive qualities. Those aren't priorities for people who desire to build things.

Its tragically comic when people on the right go on and on about supporting the police and Blue Lives Matter, etc. Who do they think is going to come for their guns?

Wait kind of talking are you doing like giving flyers or something. Also what cities that all just seems really odd.

I own a meat company, we sell steak chicken seafood and pork, we set up big circus tents in the parking lot of the malls, when I don't have enough business coming in, I go drum some up. But why does it matter what I am talking to people about, or what I am selling? All that should matter is, is it illegal, or is it not? I have all of my required health permits from the state of Tx. But this health permit obviously is not good enough for every single incorporated city who has a city council, who can make up any kind of ordinance that they feel it's like making that day.

That's when they tell me, I cannot be doing that without a permit.

Have you considered recording this on video?

Yes, I have thought about it, no, I haven't done it though, what would it really help? As far as they're concerned, the "law is the law."

I'm not a slave. I saved and created my own business that incorporated my talents and skills that I enjoy using, I'm happy for the education I received. It wasn't all BS.

I'm grateful for the roads, bridges, and other infrastructure that those before me created. For the good that science has brought through the hard work of scientists. For the sacrifice of the soldiers in World War 2 that brought down Hitler and Hirohito. We'd be living in a much different world if they didn't.

Through meditation, self-observation, and other pursuits, I became free in mind. Me and my experience became one. I entered a creative orientation. From that moment on I've been creating my life in a very conscious way. I don't buy into the Ted Kaczynski manifesto. Life is what you make it. It's been a creative adventure filled with love, sorrows, joys, successes, failures, sex, spontaneity, and the buildings of several bodies of work in different artistic mediums.

You get what you focus on. There's no other rule when it comes to experience.

I'm glad you're at peace with yourself. Honestly if more people shared your mentality there'd be less issues in society. I will say I'm not at peace with myself, don't know that I ever will be. I respect your viewpoint and do hope one day I can seize control of my destiny. But thus far, seems random chance and the universe has other plans for me.

Ever notice in the moment of deep focus on a task, whether it be trying to solve a puzzle or a creative activity, that there is no self to be at peace with? The self I believed I was was a phantom, an illusion of thought, a story. Once I saw that, everything got much better.

Let's say you're not at peace with yourself...that doesn't make you a slave. It just means you're focusing on the wrong thing--in a mental loop. That doesn't mean that at this very moment you can't have an idea and then act to make it real. Doesn't mean you can't do something kind for someone. Doesn't mean you can't start to build a body of work in some medium. Doesn't mean you can't have fun.

There is an element of surprise to life. It's spontaneous. I can't control your actions, nature, the movement of the planets. But there's a lot I can control. A lot I can make happen through action. I'm not a slave, you're not a slave. It's insult to actual slaves to consider us to be one.

You get what you focus on. There's no other rule when it comes to experience.

I like this guy.

Slaves have never been armed.

Civil war.

Solid point.

But they were still slaves. An armed Freeman would have to be disarmed before being enslaved. Of course in our modern day there is many forms of enslavement versus chains and whips.

The draft ?

Prior to ww1 the government was snatching up people's land for the railroads.

Then the get rid of the angry and resentful through war.

Prior to ww2 was industrialization, people responded to terrible work conditions with labour unions.

Wonder if it was docile complacent workers that got drafted, or if there was a method to the madness.

That's the beauty of our current system. Slaves can still be armed. Hell, it's encouraged. Got to protect that home while you are looking after it temporarily for the bank...

To shoot each other. Who's using arms to successfully defend themselves against the system, or to successfully positively change the system?

Basically, everybody already thinks this. The only difference is who you blame for setting up the system of slavery. Is it the government, who is the direct administrator of the systems which control most aspects our lives, or is it the institutions and people who accumulate and concentrate wealth in order to set up or control that government? As me and a conservative friend of mine often agree in saying, the enemy is the same, and everything else is mostly aesthetics.

The way I see it, modern complexities are what enslave us. Currency frees us from bartering and having to all directly perform physical labor to produce services or goods, but enables clever people to manipulate economies more easily. Clocks and calendars free us from looking to the sun or tracking the passage of time ourselves, but enables a rigid system of "be there by then or else." The internet frees us from having to travel or talk to manually gather information, but also enables the mass manipulation of that information.

Humans mostly organize themselves in these ways for convenience. You could argue that these types of things have been put in place deliberately by people that want to control us, but it is my belief that we would end up with these things existing in virtually any type of society or set of circumstances. Because we enjoy the byproducts of a more specialized, technologically advanced, and convenient world, these things won't go away. Because wealth naturally concentrates and power naturally corrupts, the influencers of these systems won't go away, either.

The users of these systems will always be struggling against the influencers. There is no way to destroy the system that wouldn't involve reverting to a non-industrial society. That means the only real way to improve things is to become an influencer yourself. Railing against the system as a whole is meaningless. Focus on specifics, converse with others, sharpen your wits, keep your bullshit detectors on, and try to be a positive force for change.

Working is fundamental to existing on planet Earth. Yes it would be nice to use technology to afford us more leisure, but productivity is fundamentally tied to wealth. Someone somewhere had better be productive or our standard of living is kaputz

productivity is fundamentally tied to wealth

A lie propagated by those in power. You think big wigs schmoozing it up on the golf course is worth 8000000x as much as the engineers and manufacturers actually creating the goods?

That's an easy misinterpretation of what I'm saying. I'm not saying people don't game or cheat. In fact I think most at the billionaire level are cheaters and "joiners" into different societies that help each other at the expense of the rest.

What I'm saying is more fundamental. Someone somewhere had better be productive or we won't have our modern lifestyles. The more of us that are productive the more goods and services we all have as a society. Obviously there are limits to this. But if we cut the workweek to 20 hours per week and people are not allowed to work even 21, we would have more expensive products and services (more demand but less supply). So there has to be a balance, and productivity is the fundamental wealth creator.

You could afford a house and cars easily, working deadbeat factory jobs just a generation or two ago.... obviously what you are saying is not entirely true, market is corrupt as fuck.

Yeah but my original point is that having to work isn't necessarily slavery since without society we would still have to labor.

The system is rigged, but mostly because our government takes an enormous amount of our money for whatever projects they deem important. Still we have more freedom than any people in history just about and should make the most of it

You wouldn't have to 'labour' without this society. They didn't even 'work' 20 hours a week before agriculture, and what they did as 'work' they were actually biologically evolutionary programmed to enjoy - can't say the same about sitting in an office staring at a computer or whatever jobs there are today. And can really say you are truly 'free' in a surveillance-wageslave-society?

The system is not rigged because of the government taxing you - capitalism itself is the true disease.

You'd rather be a hunter gatherer? Perhaps there are some remote parts of the Amazon you could explore and do more of what you were "evolutionarily programmed" to do.

I have not grown up in that lifestyle, hence I probably wouldn't succeed there. And even then, with all the pollution and man-made destruction, surviving in the Amazons now is nowhere near as easy as it was before capitalism reared its ugly head.

And even then, that is still quite a bit of work to stay alive. It is not an easy life nor always enjoyable.

Yes it is, but 20 hours workweek in enjoyable lives with a strong community sure beats working 40+ hours (plus the hours for commuting and getting-ready parts), with not even enough spare money to enjoy the 1 week yearly vacation. That is the life for most in America today.

If that is what you think, go live off the land. See how easy it is.

The ancient Romans revered a simple agrarian lifestyle (even if the equestrians and patricians preferred ambition and power) because it was simple, not easy.

So you don't believe that the US government cares about you. That it doesn't love you?

I like to think I'm about as free as the number of vacation and sick days I've accumulated. Which is to say, not very.

Slaves know they're slaves. I think of us more like cattle. Blissfully unaware that we exist for profits and are led off to the slaughterhouse when it suits them.

Yea, more cattle than slave.

What about the people who are aware?

I guess they're slaves... unless they've escaped the plantation, then they're free or loons or terrorists.

Life is mostly hard work for the vast majority of humans. Always has been, probably always will be.

You want freedom then become self-reliant, buy land, build a shelter, grow your own food and other necessities. Not good enough for you then just walk out with the cloths on your back deep into the woods where it's difficult to reach, places people cannot reach and boom....freedom, cave man style. I'm pretty sure you can pull this off in Mexico or one of those 3rd world country's seeing there is still tribes among them.

Nobody is a slave on this world, slavery is only in the mind. Unless your living in a blue state like California then you are a slave for illegal immigrants to pay their welfare and trapped by the traitors in office so they can live like kings and queens. Or you live in Mexico or one of those 3rd world countries and are caught and used for sex slave traffic.

Utopia is a myth and humanity will probably never reach this state unless we become mindless drones losing our humanity or rid the world of evil. If you cannot assimilate then tough shit no one will chew your food for you and fed you it forever. Pampered Princess.

Even the birds throw the nestlings out of the nest at one point of their exists.

There are rules in this world and a world without rules there is nothing but chaos.

Don't like way your country is going, then do something about it instead of whining like a snotty entitled little snowflake.

JFK- Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You

There is alot of anger in your response. I hope whatever is bringing about that stress in your life subsides.

I don't aim for anarchy and chaos. But a rebalancing of power and influence is needed.

As for your actual response.

Even if you buy land without a loan, you will still owe taxes for it. The same as with a house or a car. Even though you paid for and own it, you will still pay for it.

As for just moving into the woods, the land is owned and that's "illegal". Even when you go camping you need permits and passes.

As far as immigration, how can you not find it odd that newcomers get a 7 year tax break to get on their feet and start a business? and you being born as American never will?

And as for whiney snowflakes. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Without them the squeeze would be never ending. Blacks would still be chattel slaves and women would have little to no rights.

TL;DR You're the angry, one trying to get on your high horse cause you know I am right. Pamper Princess. Or maybe you're a libtard?

I don't even know why I bother to comment on the internet. Everyone is usually a idiot here like the species.

“slavery is a choice”

Made by those who impose it upon others

I'm considering going out to sea, and never returning.

Yes we are and the money system is the biggest cause. It's designed to keep us paying off debt. Only the principal portion of new loans is created with the loans, not the interest. So, there is always insufficient money for humanity as a whole to get out of debt. The illusion of freedom is supported by the fact that any individual can rise out of deby if they compete well enough against others in the economy. Someone will always have to be indebted in order to keep the system going though. We have to think in unity, as a whole unit, to see this scam for what it is. It could be changed in so many ways, but it is designed to siphon value to the money creators as it stands now.

I think they don't want us to get our heads outside of the fiat money rat race they engineered for us. By chasing that interest money as a collective, we work way more than we need for the goods and services we require. That way we don't have time for the best things in life that are free, well , that require time rather than money.


I've been working part time at a factory for years, about 16-30 hours per week. It's not responsible insurance and retirement wise, but it offers benefits. I have time to think, to explore and expand my mind. It has lead down the rabbit hole quite a bit. I strongly suspect this is the biggest reason why we can't work less and have more time.

Sure, having a decent national healthcare system and basic retirement factored into the tax system would free us from the need for 40+ hours per week as a standard. Companies are pressured by the monthly employee expense to work each employee more hours to offset that cost. Even paying overtime can be cheaper than hiring another employee.

My workplace doesn't have full time positions, it has part time and overtime positions. It makes sense for many businesses to do this, because of employee benefits.

I doubt I would have as clear of a picture of our enslavement if I had worked (full/over)time positions. I would lack the time and energy to focus on such ideas. I can see this clearly in hindsight. My curiosity really took off after I went part time more than a decade ago.

Foe those who want to tell me how irresponsible I am, I ask you what stupid prze will you win when you finally get to stop working 40+ hours per week as a 65+ elderly person? What freedom of experience will you have with an old mind, body and spirit (emotional drive to animate oneself)?

I suggest living the best years of your life not chasing money is more fulfilling. Granted, that I don't have a family allows me to do this. If you do, you're probably stuck with the need for those benefits and larger incomes. It's a hard trap to overcome in that situation.

Yes we are and the money system is the biggest cause. It's designed to keep us paying off debt. Only the principal portion of new loans is created with the loans, not the interest. So, there is always insufficient money for humanity as a whole to get out of debt. The illusion of freedom is supported by the fact that any individual can rise out of debt if they compete well enough against others in the economy. Someone will always have to be indebted in order to keep the system going though. We have to think in unity, as a whole unit, to see this scam for what it is. It could be changed in so many ways, but it is designed to siphon value to the money creators as it stands now.

I think they don't want us to get our heads outside of the fiat money rat race they engineered for us. By chasing that interest money as a collective, we work way more than we need for the goods and services we require. That way we don't have time for the best things in life that are free, well , that require time rather than money.


I've been working part time at a factory for years, about 16-30 hours per week. It's not responsible insurance and retirement wise, but it offers benefits. I have time to think, to explore and expand my mind. It has lead down the rabbit hole quite a bit. I strongly suspect this is the biggest reason why we can't work less and have more time.

Sure, having a decent national healthcare system and basic retirement factored into the tax system would free us from the need for 40+ hours per week as a standard. Companies are pressured by the monthly employee expense to work each employee more hours to offset that cost. Even paying overtime can be cheaper than hiring another employee.

My workplace doesn't have full time positions, it has part time and overtime positions. It makes sense for many businesses to do this, because of employee benefits.

I doubt I would have as clear of a picture of our enslavement if I had worked (full/over)time positions. I would lack the time and energy to focus on such ideas. I can see this clearly in hindsight. My curiosity really took off after I went part time more than a decade ago.

For those who want to tell me how irresponsible I am, I ask you what stupid prize will you win when you finally get to stop working 40+ hours per week as a 65+ elderly person? What freedom of experience will you have with an old mind, body and spirit (emotional drive to animate oneself)?

I suggest living the best years of your life, not chasing money, is more fulfilling. Granted, that I don't have my own nuclear family allows me to do this. If you do, you're probably stuck with the need for those benefits and larger incomes. It's a hard trap to overcome in that situation.

I don't have my own nuclear family allows me to do this.

Perhaps you are better off being free.

Ever speak to old men about whether or not they would have a family if given the chance to do it all over again?

When nobody else is around, the truth will come out.

Anecdotal bullshit. Evidence? Plenty of people say that their family is one of the best things that has happened in their lives.

And plenty of people will tell you the opposite (but only when no women or children are around).

And plenty of people will tell you the opposite (but only when no women or children are around).

No shit, that's the point. It's not like there's an obvious predilection for those who have had a family whether they would still want one or not.

It just happened that way for me. I actually long for a family at times. It's good for many kinds of health and bad for many kinds of health. Having kids can make people more giving and less selfish. That behavior change, in an of itself, is a very healthy thing.

It's just that, from my perspective of not having my own nuclear family, I can see clearly that having one means an end to occupational and time freedom. Benefits aren't just for me anymore and we'd need the income for so many things for the kids.

So I am happy to be free, but would love to find the mate for me. I know we can't all do what I am doing. You have to be single.

Very much so. But I don't think we are slaves in the material sense. Yes wageslavery is real, yes debt-slavery is real but it's still everyones choice wether they want to enslave themselves through vapid consumerism and insatiable greed. Nobody is forcing us (yet!) to work 60 hour weeks in order to mantain a shallow flashy lifestyle.

I have a very easy time making a humble living running an online business from home. If I worked hard I could make a good middle class income no doubt. But I'd much rather work one day a week and have all the time in the world for the good things in life while driving a used Mazda instead of a new Audi sedan.

The real slavery is of the spirit and soul. Atrocity propaganda, the media injecting garbage into our minds, the school system making us dumb, docile parrots, tv talkshows with dumbed down lies and scripted debates, jewish critical theory making us hostile towards one another and radically individualist, yet at the same time collectivising and agitating, pitting young vs old, man vs woman, middle vs lower class, black vs white, everyone vs white, muslim vs christian, left vs right. As 'conspiracy theorists' we're ahead of most in having broken these chains.

That sounds like the life, how to you make working one day a week and how did you get to that point?

I disagree - I think you need to meditate and enjoy the present rather than being negative - Life can be amazing and you should enjoy it ( I do see your point though )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TjCZRutOKY

"Meditation is the way in which we come to feel our basic inseparability from the whole universe."

Honestly, I love this statement on Alan Watts' part (at about 3m30s). It validates what I've felt for a very, very long time now.

This entire planet is a Loosh Energy Farm. The Alien Archons are the predators and we are their prey...

Maybe I'm different, but I actually enjoy what I do at work. Wake up early, go to the gym, go to work, come home, relax, repeat. Then on the weekends I can do anything. Not so bad. But I do get the whole slave mentality. That's unfortunately the world we live in. Nothing is free and becoming a millionaire happens by hard work and chance. So, we have to work a set number of hours a week and save our money to be able to retire early.

Yes! We are slaves!

We need to repeat this fact until it is burned into the brains of the people. Then, we can try to figure out how to free ourselves from our mental slavery.

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Until we change the way money works, we change nothing.

Can you expand upon that thought?

It's a Michael Ruppert quote, I believe. I'd recommend checking out some of his lectures on collapse, if you want to hear him elaborate.

I forget if he talks about it in "Collapse", but there's videos of him speaking on YouTube where he talks about how our economic systems aren't "broken"; they're just not designed to work for everyone (only a select few).

Idk; just tossing that out there

For sure, I'll check it out.

Hey i just watched the 6 part apocalypse, man. On Michael Rupert and I wanted to say thanks. Great link.

w00t! No problem; glad you liked it :)

That's a really great little series; I miss that dude.

Even if he's not spot on w/ all of his predictions, I feel he had a really good grasp on a lot of stuff.

He has some interesting info on the 9/11 money trail (which I believe you can find on YouTube)

I think he's most famous for his whistleblower actions against the CIA, but the documentary "Collapse" is a sobering wakeup call about the fragility/Impermanence of modern society

Heavy as fuck, but worth a look (with a grain of salt), if you've got the stomach for it

Steve Cutts videos are also great to watch.

Yes we are. Now what are you going to do about it

Right now I'm in a mental spiral, so I'll probably wallow in self misery for a few days.

The optimistic me says just keep floating and things will mellow life will get better ect.

The darker side wonders if we shouldn't gather up a force of young adults for numbers/votes and push for policies and laws to scare the older generations.

I.e fix the pension crisis and cost of healthcare in one go. They won't take care of us , we don't take care of them . 50 year old cutoff line for euthanasia.

The eye is on us. We are the goy who will be slaughtered first. It says in the Talmud to kill the best of the gentiles. They want to catalog us for future extermination. Truly diversity of opinion. They fear those the most who are willing to die for what they believe. Those willing to die for truth. You can never bribe someone who knows they are fighting against Satan incarnate.

My understanding of slavery works as follows

Chattel slavery - they own you and any life you make

Indentured slavery - just trying out chattel slavery for a few years

Wage/debt slaves- where we are now. Better than both previous forms of slavery and way less racist because it's equal opportunity.

If that were the case, then you could make a case that a sizable portion of all humans who have ever lived throughout history have been "demons". Is this the case?

Or is it because when we strip away the thin veneer of civilization, it turns out control, involuntary servitude, and selfish desires are the true nature of humans?

We aren't as advanced, morally and ethically speaking, as we'd like to think, and humans are only a few steps away from becoming the savages we've always been.

For sure, I'll check it out.

Hey i just watched the 6 part apocalypse, man. On Michael Rupert and I wanted to say thanks. Great link.