Okay first of all, shadow bans are Reddit wide, not subs.

Second, admins can shadow ban, mods cannot

Third, your post literally says that it is speculation which is mentioned in the rules.

I'm sure your comment was just removed for being speculation in a top level Cynthia

Second, admins can shadow ban, mods cannot

This isn't entirely true. Mods can set up automod to automatically remove posts by certain users, effectively a shadowban.

Yes, but then the post is still visible as [Removed]. with a shadow ban, nothing is visible at all except for an extra comment in the comment count

Yes, but then the post is still visible as [Removed].

I'm pretty sure this isn't true. We have one and only one account that's "shadowbanned" on this sub: TotesMessengerBot. Automod removes its comments automatically, and also removes comments from accounts less than 60 days old. This post has TotesMessenger and several young accounts auto-removed, and none of them show up as [removed] when I'm logged out; they just aren't there. You can check ceddit to confirm.

The [removed] only shows up if someone replies to the comment before it's removed, and it needs to keep its place in the comment tree. Otherwise, reddit doesn't display it at all for regular users. But since AutoMod removes the comment immediately, it almost never happens that such a comment ever gets a reply at all.

Makes sense. TIL

I see Totes all the time, is it manually approved by moderators?

When you see it, yes, it's been manually approved.

Thanks.

I wonder why?

Even within the mod team, there's some disagreement over what we should do. The argument for approving Totes comments is that it lets users know the thread is potentially being brigaded. The argument against is that leaving it up will almost surely cause forum sliding to for everyone to talk about the brigade rather than the content of the post, essentially making the brigade more effective.

I tend to side more with the latter argument.

Even within the mod team, there's some disagreement over what we should do. The argument for approving Totes comments is that it lets users know the thread is potentially being brigaded. The argument against is that leaving it up will almost surely cause forum sliding to for everyone to talk about the brigade rather than the content of the post, essentially making the brigade more effective.

Don't users complain about being brigaded anyway?

I mean, there doesn't seem to be any difference if totes is up or not.

I tend to side more with the latter argument.

Well same, I just doubt it matters.

Don't users complain about being brigaded anyway?

Yeah, they do, but at least intuitively if there's a comment right in the thread saying it's linked from TMOR, more people are going to talk about it. My experience also seems to bear that out, but I admit that could be confirmation bias.

Well same, I just doubt it matters.

It probably doesn't that much.

It's actually difficult for anyone else to see unless someone manages to respond to it before it's removed.

Pro tip - just log out to see if your comment is visible - no proxy required.

Ok so maybe their automod has a filter set for "this is speculation" or "there are two genders" which trolls often use.

There are only two genders indeed.

That's not a shadow ban. A shadowban would remove everything you post there.

I know Im shadow banned from r/science, but I dont really care, as that is the most cancerous, bullshit, propaganda sub I have ever seen. Almost every post on there is pure propaganda. I can understand why they would ban me, but shadowban? Its just dirty. I would call people out for using bullshit studies, made by non scientific organizations or scientists who would work very hard to make sure they had a certian result. Its like cummunist science or something.

Do you know what shadowbanning even is?

I'd work on your attitude before complaining about being censored.

It is really crazy, but I kind of get the feeling that there is an organized effort to suppress certian ideas. Ecspecially on default subs. What are your thoughts on this r/conspiracy? We know they manipulate upvotes from time to time, to keep certian information off the front page. We know they shadowban people on subs, and or site wide, but this is suppose to be for spam/and or bots, am I correct?

Given that you complain about "cummunist science" I think you are a good candidate for spam.

Im definitly not a bot, and im definitly not a spammer. It really kind of pisses me off that I would spend 10 minutes typing out a reply, and nobody would ever see it, because reddit deems my ideas dangerous, or politically incorrect.

Not Reddit. A moderator or a subreddit moderation policy.

Your comment went into a queue and all you can do is complain about how dangerous your ideas are to Reddit.

What kind of experiences do you people have, when dealing with the shady social engineering of huge media companies like conde' nast? How far does the manipulation go?

Your comment got removed, probably because you hadn't posted there before.

REDDIT IS FUCKED. I am shadow banned prom gthe tweo news subs. Much of front page is different. Posts fast tracked, comments hidden. Comments dont show up. Vota manipulation. Mods, bits and shills are in on it.

Its sold out.

How do you know you're shadowbanning?

None of their posts are showing up on my front page, absolutely none. I am actually banned from posting on r/news for calling out propaganda. Worldnews is turning in r news but i can still comment just fine but sometimes when i comment on either I either get no replies or only downvotes, when i did used to get some sort of engagement.

So just because people don't agree with you, the admins have shadowbanned you.

Ok.

oh it gets better. on news mods labelled me a russian troll and will not even discuss lifting the commenting ban. Everytime i raise the issue they just block me from contacting them for a few days.

One time i posted 'fake news' on one of those russian troll farms influenced election news stories and it was like a bot and shill attack i have never seen before. Within minutes i was downvoted into double digits. and a whole ton of comments on that single line, calling me a troll, how i am wrong, how i am just an idiot etc. I have never had that before. It was blatantly obvious. I got half the downvotes back I am guessing the accounts delete after a while. But anyway, shit happens.

Ok so how do you tell bot and shill downvotes from other ones?

Sounds like you have a problem with people not looking your posts.

the temp accounts get deleted after a while, and after a few weeks my karma goes up by some number. scrolling through history i started to notice that my comments would go from massively downvoted to slightly downvoted (the legit users who joined in or just shilol accounts who stay permanently on reddit idk, but the karma goes up after a few weeks. It has stopped happening now, mainly because i stopped participating. But Also they did change up the tactics). Last year, when I would comment that goes against the narrative I would get instantly -9 downvotes far too regularly. Now(this year) it ramps up a bit, instead of all at once, downvotes would increase more realistically, but once again, after a few weeks some of the downvotes would disappear, not all but a considerable amount. So like comments with -23 would be -9 or -11 something like that.

Its a simple psychological tactic, where its easier to downvote a comment already receiving hate. So a lot of real people would join in, regardless of what i commented.

If you're using the new profile system, if the comment isn't on your main page,l but in your comments tab, then the sub autocensored it.

OP, unless you've deleted it from your profile the only comments I see you've made in /r/science that were removed are ones that aren't even attempting to contribute to the discussion, and one comment that was in the same thread, which was nuked.

So you're not shadowbanned from /r/science like you said though. Don't accuse me of lying when you just say stuff that isn't true. You're not shadowbanned, you couldn't follow the rules and you had comments removed. The comment that was removed in /r/askscience is again, rulebreaking, mentioning that you're just speculating which isn't what they want there. You're not being censored, and don't you call me a liar because you can't understand how reddit works.

Are you seriously calling me a shill because you can't tell that your rulebreaking comments in /r/askscience are getting removed, while the non rulebreaking ones are staying up, and you think you're secretly banned from the sub? If you can't be bothered to read the rules or even just ask the mods directly, I don't know that I can be of any help to you.

i am still testing and probing

https://redditblog.com/2013/05/08/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day-plus-some-stats-about-top-reddit-cities-and-languages/

eglin air force base is most addicted city.....

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1402.5644.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

for starters. i write about it a lot over at steemit, search for mindhawk.

i did a test, i picked out 10 accounts who were posting in various threads and people who said stuff i liked and that i thought there was no way could be written by a cop/shill, and i wrote them each individual messages, and i heard back from 0 of them after a month.

this is across the board, look at my posteing history and see how many unresponded comments i have. i have a few free days while i wait for something, so i wondered what would happen if i posted a lot. still hardly any responses and more than half are obvious trolls just spouting negativity and personal attacks.

i fear but cannot prove that once you are flagged as someone who is a 9/11 truth or pgate or even r/conspiracy person, there is a mechanic that impedes your communications on this site. Either your stuff doesn't go through or you don't get resposnes.

Something is wierd here, and what you are describing fits what i have seen.

Wouldn't that be the hugest scandal when it became clear that your messages were actually blocked, without notice, when the site owners decideed they don't like you?

I think this is what's happening though.

What if you learned one day that several thousands messages to you or of yours had been blocked by facebrk twiter or redit?

How mad would you be?

Even within the mod team, there's some disagreement over what we should do. The argument for approving Totes comments is that it lets users know the thread is potentially being brigaded. The argument against is that leaving it up will almost surely cause forum sliding to for everyone to talk about the brigade rather than the content of the post, essentially making the brigade more effective.

Don't users complain about being brigaded anyway?

I mean, there doesn't seem to be any difference if totes is up or not.

I tend to side more with the latter argument.

Well same, I just doubt it matters.

So you're not shadowbanned from /r/science like you said though. Don't accuse me of lying when you just say stuff that isn't true. You're not shadowbanned, you couldn't follow the rules and you had comments removed. The comment that was removed in /r/askscience is again, rulebreaking, mentioning that you're just speculating which isn't what they want there. You're not being censored, and don't you call me a liar because you can't understand how reddit works.

Are you seriously calling me a shill because you can't tell that your rulebreaking comments in /r/askscience are getting removed, while the non rulebreaking ones are staying up, and you think you're secretly banned from the sub? If you can't be bothered to read the rules or even just ask the mods directly, I don't know that I can be of any help to you.