Interesting to see so many posts looking to debunk this one. A bit weird to say the least.

Maybe because there's so many posts, but few showing actual evidence?

But there's so many posts saying its fake, but having no evidence to back it up

Uhhhh, that's not how that works.

Saying its fake with be evidence doesn't work

The burden of evidence is on the person claiming a crime was committed. Not on those who don't believe it in the first place.

There's evidence of these camps having been posted. Now find me evidence they aren't real if you claim its fake. Until then your comments are irrelevant

Once again, you don't understand how this works, despite me clearly explaining it. Have a good night, dude.

No, you obviously don't get it

https://www.bitchute.com/video/k8IgGjwGMd3I/ now what

LOL. So because they claim to have found a knife with blood on it, I'm supposed to believe this was a 'CHILD RAPE UNDERGROUND CAMP'. Perhaps that's enough for you.

But as someone who has camped, I can think of at least a dozen rational explanations for finding a knife with blood on it at a camp. Granted, many of those reasons are nefarious - but nothing that screams (which is what is happening here) "CHILD RAPE UNDERGROUND CAMP".

At the very least these guys are being sensationalists.

You wanted the evidence there you go

Keep saying its fake, it only hurts you in theology run..

You would make a terrible investigator.

You'd make a great bitch

Which makes for fabulous investigators. Full circle.

Removed. Rule 10.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/k8IgGjwGMd3I/now what

It’s non fucking stop, probably because there are boots on the ground for this one so they can’t just nuke the internet like they did with PG. They have no choice but to try and overwhelm us with the hope that new users and useful idiots will bask in the gaslight

Discreditation has been "their" most powerful tool for quite some time now.

the evidence is up to interpretation, and the majority gets the win. bullshit arguement if you ask me.. utility is at stake, sex without consent is wrong no matter the scenario.

you have two different groups reviewing the same evidence coming to two different conclusions.

now, I fail to see the difference between a sex trafficking spot and a 'coyotes den' that happened to rape people.

if sex is occurring without the person's consent. that is rape by definition, and should not be tolerated.

What does it matter in the end, if the result is the same? This is a spot where clearly nefarious activites occur.

get off this board you fuckin shill.

Completely agree.

...that last line was just in general, not directed at me, right?

You seem cool to me, dude! 8]

I thought the same thing, but then I found out the dude in all the videos is this guy:

Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer

He went to Bundy ranch during that stand-off. Bundy ranch was undercover LEO central...the reason no one got persecuted in that case is because it turned out a huge amount of 'patriots' that were in the cabin were actually undercover LEO for various agencies. Entrapment. They had to throw that shit out.

Dude is a felon, has a fat rap sheet, apparently isn't even a veteran (which, if he's not, and he's talking with all that 'bravo' camp 'alpha' camp shit....very suss), and has been accused of being an FBI informant.

I 100% believe cartels traffic drugs/humans through boarder states. In fact, it's a fact. But, I dunno...this Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer character does seem fairly fugazi to me. Gotta look at the messenger as well as the message.

Greg Sawyer with veterans for child rescue seems like a standup guy. What’s your opinion of that messenger bringing a similar message?

Sawyer seems legit. Like I said, IDK man. Is sawyer on the ground with the rest of them?

He said he went out there, but I only saw the video on here earlier.

As of now, I'm filing this one away as 'keep an eye on developments'.

Being balls deep in all this human trafficking/pedo shit, I have come to the conclusion that no one is going to do anything about it. So I love the idea of citizens getting fed up and doing something about it themselves; but I also understand anything in this arena is going to be chalk-full of disinformation and spooks and psyops. This seemed so clear-cut to me when it first came out. Now I'm not so sure, but I'm not one of these dumbasses that thinks I know everything and can ascertain whats real and whats not at a simple glance.

We'll see how this unfolds. If I was in AZ, I'd probably go check it out myself.

He did visit the site. Here is his recap of the situation.

Craig Sawyer.

Fixed it, thanks

Not a problem.

Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer

This guy?

Dude has a light pole fetish.

at 1:50 of this video Addie Rivera of the group Veterns on Patrol states the policehave not gathered any evidence, since she and her friends have gathered the evidence and then refuses to let the reporter see the evidence.

http://www.kvoa.com/story/38338092/tucson-police-find-no-evidence-abandoned-south-side-camp-linked-to-child-sex-trafficiking

I find it a bit weird the group who found this site are refusing to share that evidence with the public and police.

Right? Because what are these guys going to do with the evidence? They don't have the authority to prosecute.

If this is true, wouldn't you want the offenders stopped? Makes no sense.

One might say it's a conspiracy

The police actually have some evidence including the bloody knife and it is still an open case with Tucson PD, but they didn't secure the site physically and allowed the site to be bulldozed. Since when do police allow a site to be tampered with when they are still analyzing evidence and case is still open? Maybe I wouldn't trust police with all the evidence if they don't even do their jobs. A report was made to police and they sauntered down there 5 days later to do basically nothing and now of course if there's further evidence its been destroyed.

I think people are tired of PG and this is going to do nothing but start another one. It is such a tiring thing

Do you think the child trafficking is all fake?

If you are talking about child trafficking run by the elites so they can eat their adrenal glands or whatever, yes, I think that is fake. As a person who was abused by a sick fucking pedo as a kid, they are fucking everywhere. And this whole PG, Tuscon shit drives me crazy. I have 2 issues with this stuff. 1. I just find it so convenient that when all of this partisan extremism started with this election, this type thing really blows up. I see it as a ploy to make Democrats, or their supporters, look worse than they already are. Or at least muddy them up enough to make people doubt them in that election, which is exactly what happened. The 2nd is that people aren't really trying to end this stuff, they are trying to prove some sort of conspiracy and it pisses me off. Why not spend the time they do, combing through dumbass emails, working to shed light on pedos running around the internet or right in their own town? It is so easy to catch these fucks. People running around in the desert saying "this is a child trafficking shelter", without any fucking proof at all, does absolutely nothing. There are sick fucks that 100% traffic children, there are sick fucks that are extremely wealthy, who molest and rape kids, there are powerful people that do it, there are homeless people that do it, there is one in every walk of life. If this was truly some sort of honorable thing they are doing to expose pedo's, they could 100% expose them. There are quite a few groups that already do and it leads to actual fucking arrests. Instead, they would rather take some idiots emails where he talks about food and say, there it is! He is a pedo, he's connected to HRC, he's wealthy and a big time Democrat so they must all be pedo's.

I agree the partisan lens some people see this through is annoying, or distracting if you like. If you look through the evidence and accounts you know it's not a partisan issue.

Interesting read if you care to

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/06/01/the-morally-repugnant-elite-and-their-bad-juju-haiti-dr-humantrafficking-qanon-greatawakening/

Whats PG...? Saw it mentiojed in another comment.

It means Pizzagate.

I know I'm so tired of children being kidnapped to be raped. They should just stop getting kidnapped and stop making people want to rape them all the time. Stupid kids. Just so tired of it.

Upvoted, I have see the same pattern, pathetic.

There already has been warnings from the mods that there have been a lot of random accounts and un used accounts in the conspiracy sub.

They warned of people trying to be dunk this one are also using multiple accounts .

If we keep having citizens show up there and do their own investigations we will learn what really happened there. At the end of the day, the cartel doesn’t give a fuck about some vets . They have more men and fire power , no cartel member is gonna back down from a couple Americans digging around in their business that makes them billions of dollars over the years.

Interesting to see so many posts looking to debunk this one. A bit weird to say the least.

It is almost as though people are starting to see through the 'lets talk about pedos every day' psyop.

Weirder than the ones repeatedly flooding the sub that contain no evidence of child trafficking?

Keep pumping out these threads. Totally organic shit going on here at r/hurryupanddebunksowecansweepunderruglikewedidwithPG

It’s more the amount of threads and what kind of account would feel compelled to make another “nothing to see here” thread. It’s not normal human interaction

There are 4 threads above this one about how "legit" this is, and you point to the one guy is literally just listing undisputed facts as the inorganic poster? I mean come on...

So normal human interaction is assuming that an obvious homeless camp HAS to be a satanic child sex trafficing rapetree site, connected to deaths of celebrities, and used for harvesting adrenal glands of children for Democrats and the Hollywood elite? Normal human interaction is doubting anything that doesn't have credible evidence and is presented by a bunch of wackos seething over pedophiles and jerking off about their heroics about "saving" kids that don't fucking exist.

Agreed. It is also dangerous to start with the assumption “this is a child trafficking camp” and work backwards. A tree with straps on it becomes a rape tree through that lens.

Yeah, links

I have two cousins whom are both detectives for TPD. Another cousin who is Marana PD, and one whom is border patrol. They are all staunch republicans. After speaking with them about this, I can assure you there is no “liberal” cover up. They really found no evidence to think this was a sex trafficking camp. All four and military veterans, they wouldn’t forsake their morals to hide something as horrible as child trafficking. Either there’s nothing there or they are all lying which seems absurd to me.

"My cousins are LEOs, if this was a cover-up every single LEO would know about it".

I don't think you quite understand how conspiracies or cover-ups work...

I’m telling you first hand what my family members told in regard to this case. You can believe what ever the fuck you want to believe. Sorry I’m going to believe the word of people I’ve known my whole life, that I know to be decent honest people over others on the internet crying conspiracy.

I believe your family told you that, but I don't believe your family would be told the real story in the first place

do homeless camps often have restraints?

I find it completely suspicious that instead of calling the police, they called a guy who pretends he’s a veteran and is making a documentary on child sex trafficking. All these claims of dead bodies and run ins with cartel members yet there isn’t one shred of proof to back it. How do you know that this group didn’t plant the restraints and toys to fit their narrative? They keep saying the camp is in the middle of no where which is a lie. There is a school, plus neighborhoods surrounding area. It could’ve been the neighborhood kids fort for all we know.

Keep in mind, this guy is trying to make money off of his film. This could all just be a marketing ploy

This could all just be a marketing ploy

Could? No, this is totally him grandstanding to get himself a platform to share this new film he just made.

If you look in the videos of the restraints, you can see that other logs have been lashed to the trees using the same type of straps.

I don't even think it's a homeless camp, I think it's just "the spot" for the local kids from the neighborhood across the interstate.

The footage of the bunker is enough for me to understand that, at least at one time, this was a place used for child trafficking. What one person considers facts are all rooted in partial evidence, for both sides. It ultimately comes down to what you choose to believe. The earth is flat, the earth is round. I've never been up so high to see it either way. When you suspend belief & disbelief, you stop going to war with things as much.

So you just choose to believe what you want to believe regardless? I will give you one thing, that is one easy way to live your life.

i think you misunderstood what he was saying. He is saying that at this point there's no side to take on this that is more credible than the other so all you can do is go with your gut

No side that is more credible than the others.

Explain your logic to me please.

On one hand we only have someone's word that there is evidence supporting child trafficking and on the other we only have the media's word that there isn't any

I think these people are full of absolute shit, and until they release photographs of all the supposed ‘evidence’ they found I’ll continue to say so.

I think these people are full of absolute shit, and until they release photographs of all the supposed ‘evidence’ they found I’ll continue to say so.

Thats fine by me man, I can totally understand that stance. I'm not trying to say anyone is wrong for choosing to side that way

And it’s not the media saying nothing there. It’s the local police saying nothing is there, the media is merely reporting what the police say.

Did the police actually come out with an official statement or was it local news sharing what so and so said about it? Even if the PD did come out with an official statement it would not surprise me if they were lying. Police lie all the time in official statements

https://www.google.com/amp/tucson.com/news/local/no-evidence-to-support-child-sex-trafficking-claims-at-tucson/article_d464a498-6937-58ad-9fdf-2253ce4e2e2c.amp.html

First link when I used google news ‘Tucson’

Based on the department’s investigation, “there is no indication this camp is being used for any type of criminal activity, including human trafficking,” Bay said.

This is why I dont trust what the police are saying about this. No indication the camp is being used for any type of criminal activity? So, I guess its legal to build your own underground bunker that close to the border? Disregard the sex trafficking part, but this place absolutely looks like a spot for illegal immigrants to stay/hide while coming into the states. Especially since its so close to the natives that refuse to have a border wall on their land

Oh yeah, this was a camp for either migrant workers entering the country illegally or homeless American citizens. I don’t think anyone would dispute THAT finding.

But acting like this is some child trafficking camp for the super rich is asinine, those people aren’t stupid. If they are indeed trafficking pedos, I think they’d be smart enough to keep evidence to a minimum, and for sure not in the open where a bunch of cosplaying rednecks would find it.

I dont think its unreasonable to suspect that this is what this place could be used for, but I agree jumping to conclusions is not a good look, especially if you want people to take you seriously

You don't have to come to a conclusion about anything. When one concludes, all investigation ceases. It's all about awareness & if this gets enough traction & people aware of the atrocities that are going on, likely from coast to coast, this deplorable trade, maybe as old as man-kind, perhaps we can do something about it; perhaps we can stop it & rise above it. Awareness, awareness, awareness.

Something tells me this won’t stay the top comment in this thread

The only thing that you can possibly say definitively is that a child was "housed" there. Whether by homeless parents, relatives, - or it's Arizona it could be a smuggler's waypoint from Southern America.

I am not convinced by ropes on trees - which could have just been used to make makeshift shelter from the elements/hang clothes/hold up cardboard barriers for their "shelter" or hideout.

Who knows? It could also be the lowest and dirtiest point in a sex trafficking route.

Nobody knows and these pictures are pretty much shit. I feel like this whole thing is a misdirection honestly.

Well said. All evidence is partial. Hope for the best, expect the worst. Cemex doesn't seem clean in all of this, though. Nor the Hotel/Casino with pedo symbols in the logo.

Hotel/casino?

Yeah I'm wondering why the owner of said property wasn't the one to call in the cops for the supposed littering squatters.

The picture with the circular rope/strap tied off on the chair seemed interesting. I couldn’t come up with reasonable explanation for it.

In Arizona summer temperatures reach 120 degrees. It’s completely reasonable the “bunker” was dug by homeless people to escape the heat. Plus the location is surrounded by a school and subdivisions. There are ATV tracks and trash dump areas all over the property. If people from the near by neighborhoods are dumping their trash and riding their ATVs around the area why the hell would the cartel hide there? There’s also a major power line that borders the eastern part of the property, that Tucson Electric Power owns.

Very cogent points.

You SHALL BE DOWNVOTED INTO OBLIVION for stating these heinous and obvious lies!!!!!

Fact #2 : It is interesting that you say that when an officer/officers from the TPD were on-scene when a local news station first reported on it, days before the other group made it there.

Me thinks you have ulterior motives passing fiction as fact.

Show me links though. You can't just say things without links. I know I've done it before as well. I get it. But you need to provide links for all these facts. I mean you straight up said Fact: ""..." and then no links to anything to support it.

Show me links though.

I admire this attitude.

If there were a greater emphasis on sources and citations, this sub would be much, much better for it.

thanks. I myself am beginning to restrain myself and ask questions to see. Because unfortunately, people aren't presenting enough evidence on both sides. And this leads to issues. We need to have actual facts supported by verifiable sources. I learned from my mistakes.

Prove they didn't show any proof!

Here VOP leader Lewis admitting in a post he isn’t a veteran. https://m.facebook.com/walkingfortheforgotten/posts/858601737550163

This is him saying he was climbing the pole for veterans and that led to his arrest. He stated:

Not being a veteran, I am willing to take any risk to bring attention to the appalling treatment that the government serves

I don't think he's ever mentioned he was a veteran. Neither do news reports say he's a veteran. The veteran they are referring to is Craig Sawyer. He helps veterans. This is well known.

Here's another bit from a news article.

He's known for helping homeless veterans in our community, but Lewis Arthur, the founder of Camp Bravo, found himself behind bars Wednesday night, Aug. 9, while doing just that..

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/36112572/camp-bravo-founder-finds-himself-behind-bars-after-helping-veteran

Just was helping op out with a link for his fact 3.

Right, but I'm clarifying. Because Lewis never stated to my knowledge that he was a veteran. So these facts op presented are not consistent with the actual real evidence.

From what I’m seeing the Tuscan camp bravo and VOP name is one in the same and article above states he is the leader it maybe in other articles or on the VOP fb page.

This link is broken?

It’s the first thing that comes up when you google Veteran’s on patrol I copied it right from there. It wants a fb login and I deactivated mine years ago.

Nvm I found it:

Beginning on May 31, Michael Lewis Arthur Meyer, the founder of Arizona-based Veterans on Patrol, began livestreaming videos on Facebook touring the alleged sex camp.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ny-news-child-sex-camp-arizona-conspiracy-theory-20180606-story.html

Doesn't say he's a veteran. I think the association of him claiming he's a veteran is because he founded a veterans on patrol organization.

What's happening in this badly done smear campaign, is they're confusing two people. Craig Sawyer and Lewis Arthur. People are saying the veteran is a felon. But Craig Sawyer is no felon. Then they say Lewis Arthur is a felon and a veteran, but he never said he was a veteran. The arrest record he has is from helping veterans.

Unfortunately it isn’t helping the majority of people that don’t know of Craig and his work and the media not separating the head of the VOP and Craig as entirely separate.

I can't seem to find where Lewis Arthur was ever stated as the head of VOP. I do know he and Craig worked on this situation. So op needs to provide clear proof for his 'facts'. Because it seems he confused the two.

He is providing the same amount of citations and source material as those who are making the baseless claims. Also, proving a negative is rather difficult.

What are you talking about? I provided several links of evidence to almost everything I discuss. I don't know about other people, but I look for my evidence.

Woooooooosh

FACT: you are missing your evidence

the DC police said they investigated PG but a FOIA proved that was a lie. You can't take someone's word for it. You can certainly choose to believe it, but you can't call it a fact

lol you are on a conspiracy sub advocating the governments official position.

Looks like there is nothing to see here folks...move it along.

Ummm no it's not, you made a lot of claims

KEK

Looks like cherry picking of facts to me

I'd like to see a well sourced post detailing all the circumstantial evidence available with photographs / documents

Fact: Child trafficking does happen and will be happening somewhere in Arizona, as it does in many states in the U.S. and many places in the world.

There is not enough information to really decide one way or the other as of right now. I am suspicious of hardcore "skeptics" who throw any notion out of the window just as much as the hardcore believers.

This. It's fine that some people are not convinced that this is a child sex trafficking camp. But this is an area known for cartel and border-crossing activity, and there is a quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that would be consistent with human trafficking. The fact is we just don't know, and anyone saying it's definitively not a child trafficking camp is wrong and/or has an agenda.

Finally, somebody stating the facts. The whole thing seems to set up.

Fact: The connections between site owner Cemex and either George Soros, the Clinton Foundation, or the Rothschild family are incredibly tenuous, and are the same connections that almost every major company has with major investors or philanthropic orgs

LMFAO

Not claiming shit. Don't add unnecessary bullshit.

I just don't like this attitude or format. Fact: typing fact with no sources is factn't

Fact: Certain mindsets love reading about pedo stories.

Fact: This thread is swamped by pedo stories every single day.

Fact: Focusing one's attention on negative stories is not good for one's soul.

Corollary: Put the above three facts together and ask yourself why we see so many pedo stories on this sub.

Put the above three facts together and ask yourself why we see so many pedo stories on this sub.

We don't...

We hardly ever see them compared to other topics

Are you taking the piss, fam?

No, just choosing to be truthful rather than lie to push a narrative

How many pedo threads do we see on this sub per day?

Give me your 'truthful' answer.

that turn into actual discussions and not counting the Tuscan incident I would say maybe 1 every 7-10 days

Please just try to answer my question.

If you honestly think there is only one pedo thread every 7-10 days then I wonder how you are able to even turn on your computer.

1 pedo themed thread every 7-10 days that gains any traction. How many do you think there are? There are hundreds of threads created on here, but I'm not counting the ones that don't go anywhere. I think you are

that gains any traction

That wasn't my question (and is incorrect in any event).

What is your agenda here, buddy?

You trying to keep pedo stories at the top of this sub?

You like to see this sub infested with pedo stories?

You want the innocent users of this sub to be constantly thinking about pedos?

What on earth is wrong with you, fella?

That wasn't my question (and is incorrect in any event).

It is correct, I literally just looked. You can as well. Get on desktop, click "Top" and sort from this past month. There are 4 topics in the top 50 that are about pedos....That's one per week AKA 1 every 7-10 days.

If you want to count every single topic about it then I can just as easily claim there is as much (or more) topics about jews here or 9/11.

What is your agenda here, buddy?

To discuss truth rather than push a narrative

You trying to keep pedo stories at the top of this sub?

I don't normally upvote anything, so if they're at the top its not because of me, but I don't see anything wrong with bringing attention to a serious problem. How come you do?

You like to see this sub infested with pedo stories?

I like to see this sub talking about anything other than politics

You want the innocent users of this sub to be constantly thinking about pedos?

I want the users of this sub to discuss conspiracy

What on earth is wrong with you, fella?

Not a thing. It appears you are shifting into some sort of damage control mode though. Not sure what that is about, but its weird that you're getting so nervous about this topic

of the top 25 stories on the front page of the sub, 6 of them are dealing with pizzagate, pedophiles, and or Tuscan and pedophilia.

Thats just the top 25 right now on my end, there may be more that have been downvoted by me that I cant see.

only 5, and 2 can be argued to not be pedo related

https://imgur.com/a/oXutPxV

"Innocent users of this sub" - what? What the fuck does that even mean?

The fact is that you can easily scroll past whatever you don't like. If you're too sensitive to even see such topics on the main page, then maybe you shouldn't be here. There are a lot of ugly conspiracy theories out there and none of them are for the faint-hearted. I understand that it's morbid stuff and sometimes we all need to step back and take a break from it, but I don't understand what the flying fuck you mean by "innocent users." People are not "innocent" just because they prefer not to read subreddit topics about child abuse. You know who is innocent? The abused children. Maybe not in this case, as nothing has been proven to even be going on, but surely in the hundreds, thousands of other actual confirmed child abuse cases. Don't paint people on this sub as "innocent users." Perhaps "uninterested" or "disgusted," but not innocent.

So how many pedo stories would you prefer to read each day?

How many pedo stories per day is enough?

How many children would you prefer to ignore? How many victims are enough to make you pull your head out of the sand?

There is a pedo story here literally everyday, at all times.

how many gain traction? about 1 every week

Every single day.

You're not paying attention.

you sure about that? There are 5 topics in the past month in the top 50 threads here and 2 of them are borderline pedo related, but I included them anyway

https://imgur.com/a/oXutPxV

That's not how you figure that out. You are using stats wrong, bud. You're either unaware of what you think you mean, or being deliberately dishonest.

Its exactly how you figure it out actually

No, it's absolutely not. You either are being purposefully deceptive, or do not understand statistics.

Feel free to prove me wrong besides just saying I am. I provided proof. Its your turn

You're not providing proof of anything other than the top posts. Which isn't what we we talking about, I understand this style of slick goal post moving works on most, getting them to forget the actual topic, you are quite good at it.

Bottom line is pedo stories get traction her everyday, likely because they are being mass upvoted by whoever is organizing all of this propaganda.

You're not providing proof of anything other than the top posts. Which isn't what we we talking about,

Im the one who brought it up, so how is this not what we are talking about lol?

You got proven wrong. Its as simple as that.

Nothing was proven wrong, you push the goal posts and pretend the topic is still exactly the same.

Again, you are good at arguing terribly but sounding convincing to people who don't pay attention. Your little lies merge so well together, most that read this subreddit can't see how deceptive you are.

If you don't have anything to counter dont waste my time. As it stands you are wrong and I am right. I have already proven it to you and anyone still following along

You can't just say you are right and ignore what the other person says. I know you can't give up and must have the last word, so I understand why you've given up trying and are simply flat out lying now.

prove me wrong then

You need to read what people say to you. I explained already.

What you said has nothing to do with what I said when I started this conversation. I said theres only about 1 topic every 7-10 days that gains traction and I proved this as fact.

You attempted to change what I said to avoid admitting your narrative is false

You absolutely did not prove it as fact.

Please read what others say to you, it's how you learn.

ok, I'm done here. You don't understand

They want to normalize it before the president or gop get caught

That's why all the pedo stories are always "right wing conspiracy theories", right? To help when Trump gets convicted of criminal sex acts against children, right?

Jag.

No. There's definitely that stuff going on for example in Hollywood. It's going on at the border, at churches, and elsewhere. The problem is when a man outright brags about walking into where underage girls are changing and people ignore it. When that man allows and cheers for children being separated in facilities where our own government representatives can't check on them. That's the problem.

1. How could you possibly know the reason for pedo stories being posted? Are you a psychic?

2. Define swamped. Some days I don't see any.

3. Can't really disagree but I do think those stories are some of the most important.

They're important.

Faken't News

Faken't News

Fake Newsn't?

Faken't News - Real News

Fake Newsn't - False No News

Faken't Newsn't - Real Not News

Sounds like dwight

Fact: Bears eat beets

NEXT!

I was there during the birth of "Pizzagate"

Definitely not buying into this Tucson thing so far. It strikes me as crying wolf and stirring up a bunch of controversy over nothing, so when real trafficking camps start to get busted, nobody will pay attention.

To my mind, if all the authorities say it's bullshit, I tend to believe them.

What is odd is the behaviour of these veterans.

if all the authorities say it's bullshit, I tend to believe them.

That's a problem you should fix

Your are gonna have a hard time here buddy.

If you call false flag or some shit whenever authorities make a statement on something, nobody is going to believe a word you say when actual bullshit is being spewed.

You're taking a huge leap with what I said. All I said was that its a problem to lean toward believing everything the authorities say. No one is talking about a false flag

Lol

What is odd is the behaviour of these veterans.

They are trying to build credibility for themselves to serialize this type of content. It's basically a brand awareness marketing ploy for this guy Craig Sawman Sawyer.

I'd imagine it's pretty fucked up, coming back to the States w/ possible PTSD.

Well you would think that, I know my dad's PTSD from Nam has echoed through a couple of generations. But this guy Craig Sawman Sawyer was a Navy SEAL during the peak of peacetime America, from Reagan through Clinton. His toughest mission probably involved a case of beer, flip flops and a straw hat in Hawaii.

It is.

Bull shit man..

The veterans are actual American heroes. Police corruption is found throughout the world. Police can beat, harass, break the law..

The military? Court marshal if you can't even prove you were defending your self by using your firearm in combat..

Big difference in integrity.

>To my mind, if all the authorities say it's bullshit, I tend to believe them.

And to my mind, that's incredibly naive. Having that level of blind trust is extremely dangerous. I highly recommend taking possession of your own thoughts and ability to look into things yourself and make up your own mind with logic and discernment, and without having to rely on "authorities" or anyone outside yourself to make up your mind for you. Think for yourself.

The authorities press charges and bring justice. None of what you said does any of that.

Not all of them. If you really think there is zero corruption in positions of authority and power, then you really are naive. I thought it was obvious to most people at this point that corruption exists and at high and large levels.

Well look at you, the expert on authorotitive corruption all of a sudden. Call me niave all you like, but at least my arguments are based in reality, you're clutching at straws.

Doesn’t take an expert to see that there’s clearly a lot of corruption in this world. Do you actually believe that police and people in positions of authority and power aren’t at all corrupt in any way ever?? I’m seriously asking you honestly so please answer.

Christ, you're thick.

Lmao says the guy who can’t even answer a straight question.

Do you actually believe that police and people in positions of authority and power aren’t at all corrupt in any way ever??

Let's break this down into a proper sentence: do you believe that the police and those in authority aren't corrupt?

The simple answer is: some are, but the majority aren't.

It's unfortunate you were unable to construct a concise question with any semblance of sense in the first place, but that's Trump's America for you.

I mean if it's too complicated for you to understand and you need to simplify it for yourself to understand, by all means. Obviously you're insulted or just upset or something if you feel the need to insult my sentence structure as your last resort lol, but thanks for actually _finally_ answering the question without being (that much) of a pretentious cunt!

And actually if you're reeeallly going to go there, your changed question does not have the same implication as mine therefore it's not simplified or corrected at all really, just changed. The way I worded my question was in a way to specifically imply that some but not all positions of authority are corrupt. Your changed sentence implies that _all_ police and people in authority are corrupt, which is obviously not fucking true and not at all what I've been arguing or saying this whole time. But like I said if you really need to simplify things for yourself to understand!

Removed. Rule 10

Where are the rules? How the fuck am I supposed to know what rule 10 is if there aren't even rules posted on the fucking subreddit??

First I've heard of this story, and upon googling just the word "tuscon", the first result is a snopes article debunking it. I don't know what to make of that...

Well yeah obviously. Look up just about any conspiracy on google and the very first results you'll get are articles trying to debunk them. Google's search results are obviously controlled just like any flow of information to the public. It's not difficult or that far fetched.

Also I looked into the snopes article you mentioned. All the points debunking it are just reports from police and other authorities. Of course they're going to lie about this stuff. The authorities always lie about this stuff and avoid it all in the first place to the best of their ability. When the site in Tucson was first discovered, it was immediately reported to police and authorities who refuse to go anywhere near it, and of course when they finally do, they deny literally every claim made about the site.

Why would some random group of guys be lying about a human trafficking site? What's the point?

I had exactly the same experience. I was looking for more information about the story and the ONLY hit I got was snopes. No listing for the article I had just been on neonrevolt.

Fact: Not one person has claimed to have actually been trafficked through the camp, nor to know anyone who has been trafficked through the camp

I hate when people use this talking point when it comes to sex-trafficking - especially child sex trafficking. Do you people think these kids' captors just let them free when they turn 18 or something?

how many adult victims can identify where they were held? The ones that do escape typically only know where they escaped from and have no clue where they were or how they got there prior. Now how far do you think a child would get in the middle of the woods? Highly unlikely any kid is escaping from this camp alive

Can you point out where on a map this camp is? From what I saw in another thread there is an interstate right next to this "middle of the woods". Am I mistaken or is there a 2nd camp or what?

I think it's more about the fact that, in the absence of any other evidence, this just adds one more thing to the unlikelihood of the claims about it being a definite trafficker hideout. Now, if some of the claims had more substantial evidence — which could include someone coming forward, but isn't a necessity, and could just as easily be something like evidence of bodily harm (like blood) — then that would already be more than what has currently been shown.

I agree with you, but to be fair how many 10 year olds know their own neighborhood let alone a dark forest (that they might have been blindfolded and/or drugged while enroute to). I'm just saying that I feel it is just as likely people wont know/remember

Question: which bear is best?

Thats a ridiculous question

Fact: who the fuck are you, and why are you on this sub now?

o credible connection between the "camp" in Tucson and either the murder spree in Scottsda

that's a question, not a fact.

Fact: no shit, Sherlock.

Well, since you act like you knew there was no reason to start your comment with "Fact:", that begs the question of why did you do it then?

you post things like: "I have a feeling Colbert is no stranger to raping and murdering children."

and you don't seem to be an American, possibly Canadian? what the fuck do you know about homeless encampments in the desert of Arizona? who the fuck are YOU, and why are YOU on this sub right now?

Removed Rule 10

How is that in any way a rule 10 violation?

Hey, you removed one of my comments for R10, which it clearly was not. What gives?

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Check this out

from here

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/06/04/veterans-on-patrol-discover-blueprints-for-a-larger-underground-complex-in-tucson-operationbackyardbrawl-wherearethechildren-qanon/

To me, this just looked like a Coyote rest area. I am sure if that is what it is, then children have been there, but that does not indicate a child sex abuse ring. Also, homeless people are weird as fuck and most have mental illness, so don't expect a simple explanation with some of the shit found there.

It very well could be some type of child sex abuse camp, but to me, a homeless person fort or a coyote rest stop seemed more plausible. If it is a coyote rest point, then yes they are trafficking humans, but I don't think that automatically means they are torturing and murdering their cargo. Just my two cents.

wait people are saying Kate Spade was murdered?

they said they found children's shoes and clothing. this is the main reason they deduced it was a sex trafficking ring. i lived in tucson for 17 years and they found dugouts way more sophisticated than the one in his vids. they are primarily drug traffickers pit stops. often times women and children being smuggled across the borders are put in the holes by the south of the border operatives to wait for the us connect. the kids are given us clothing so they dont stand out. and the women if they cant pay are used as mules to deliver cocaine and heroin to the us connections who get them where they want to go. it was almost a weekly occurrence to read in the news of more of these bunkers. there is an incredibly complex system of these running from calif. to tx. most of these desert locations are so remote it is sheer luck to find them. they can with a team of men dig one out in a single evening.

This is clearly a shit post, right? Proving a bunch of “facts” with zero sources. What a fucking joke. It’s funny how whenever there are denials of any corrupt justice, the denials are so LOUD and DEFENSIVE. It just makes it reek even more of rotten fish.

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Fact: The connections between site owner Cemex and either George Soros, the Clinton Foundation, or the Rothschild family are incredibly tenuous, and are the same connections that almost every major company has with major investors or philanthropic orgs

Lol what? Are you saying every buisness has ties to the Clinton foundation and George Soros?

Like, Laura Silby has the same connections to the Clinton foundation as any child trafficker would.

Where are you going with that fact?

Just having any ties to the clinton foundation would be indictive of illegal activity. Im not stary eyed like everyone else. It is a foundation whos sole purpose is to fund corruption. Its the ONLY purpose the foundation has. It is why the foundation was set up. It is way it still exists today. It is Bill and Hillarys and Chelsys tool to fund all the illegal shit they do.

You're taking a huge leap with what I said. All I said was that its a problem to lean toward believing everything the authorities say. No one is talking about a false flag

KEK

The burden of evidence is on the person claiming a crime was committed. Not on those who don't believe it in the first place.

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