Get em boise

it seems like hanging is the easiest to fake. maybe they knock them out with something first, then set them up in the sling.

Yeah, it will but if they fight back they could find DNA evidence underneath fingernails, they could maybe fuck something up enough to cause signs of a struggle, etc...

I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate because it's not fool proof. You can look at Kurt Cousin's death and see how easy it is to fuck up a gunshot staged as a suicide.

Do they run toxicology reports on apparent suicides? Is there a chance they're sedating them beforehand?

A big man who is trained to kill in this manner would leave absolutely no trace of his work.

A fast and savage choke hold from behind from a man with arms like iron wearing a padded non abrasive sleeve would easily render someone unconscious in a matter of a few seconds. When a trained killer goes up against a person who is not the fight is over before it begins, its not like a movie with trashing and crashing through walls.

Yeah, I'm aware of choking being vastly different from the movies. You're cutting off the blood, not the oxygen, if you're doing it right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJI5EBxdP6k

I always thought it was weird all of the celebs hang themselves as well. I mean as you pointed out it’s one of the most used methods for men but idk I feel like it’s kind of strange they’re all the same way and seems like they could do it a better way. Idk.

Regardless, statistics show people who commit Suicide via hanging is nearly half the number of people who commit suicide via gunshot.

Stun gun and then string 'em up.

If you watch Clooney's "Michael Collins" you can see something similar: stun gun and then an injection in the foot of heart stopping meds. Also "Snatch"- stun gun then a plastic bag on the head, followed by feeding the victim to the pigs.

With hanging it's 10 secs till you're unconscious and then 40 secs till your brain stops working (blood choke). Bourdain would know this from BJJ. Doesn't mean it wasn't a set-up, tho.

it's Michael Clayton

Got it. I think Collins was the Neeson debacle.

Stun gun doesn't work like that. It causes muscle spasms, doesn't knock you unconscious.

Are you saying Hollywood is lies? Go figure...

But if you stun gun them, they are not struggling, then you tie them up. Then they literally die of hanging.

All your muscles tense up with the good ones. It's sore to get up after a full hit, but doesn't knock you out like movies. I've been hit with hand held nonsense to police guns a few times. You aren't letting someone get a rope around your neck. YouTube taser videos.

Sometimes ... depressed people and sick people just hang themselves and sometimes they get Murdered it is almost impossible to say for sure that someone staged a suicide and sort of inconsiderate to the dead. Ugh. I get down with most conspiracies but sometimes it just is what it is

You might be onto something. What the common thread?

They are celebs and know certain things.

Fire arms aren't actually a reliable suicide method... the number of attempts that require two bullets show the way skulls have evolved in shape is actually quite effective in defending damage.

My sister worked for a place that provides rehab and housing for people with traumatic brain injuries. She said the two groups that really stood out were ex-bikers who crashed with helmet and failed gunshot suicides that wound up as partial lobotomies.

It would suck to hate life so much you tried to kill yourself, but ended up trapped in a worse life, permanently handicapped by your suicide attempt. I'd guess you'd "hope" the brain damage would be significant enough that you wouldn't have awareness.

I find it hard to believe there's categorical evidence, presented by yourself, and people are downvoting my statement as if I'm wrong or insensitive or fuck knows what else.

I agree with you there. I found it hard to believe that such a thing could happen so often... but I hadn't even thought of survivors! Hats off to your sister.

It's totally not hard to see how gun suicides go wrong. Put the gun to your temple, jerk the trigger, inadvertently move the barrel to the frontal bone or temporal line and if you're using a low-powered cartridge you wind up with just brain damage, not death. You've just tried to shoot through a very dense segment of skull at the worst possible geometry.

Most people have little understanding of firearm exterior ballistics, how to shoot a gun, etc, so they will just believe the TV version, any gun, shot at any part of the head, is instant death. Doesn't matter if its grandpa's .22 short revolver that can't kill a squirrel at 15 yards.

If they had any knowledge, they would at least stick it in their mouth at an upward angle and shred their brain and/or knock out the hypothalamus, as well as using a gun with real power, like a shotgun or large-caliber pistol.

I find it hard to believe there's categorical evidence, presented by yourself, and people are downvoting my statement as if I'm wrong or insensitive or fuck knows what else.

I get most downvotes in two subs, /r/conspiracy and my local city sub. I get the latter, I like to argue with the hard-core leftists who want abundant, low-cost apartments in high demand neighborhoods. Here, I don't get it -- I think this sub attracts a lot of angry people who like to downvote anything that doesn't brigade their agenda, but I keep coming back for the small bright spots.

honestly hanging is a horrible way to go, and with the drugs these people have access to it would be much simpler for them to just take a couple pills or go out on a wicked heroin spike. just seems like a weird way for them to chose to off themselves honestly.

Maybe a combo platter? 10 mg of Xanax or Ativan, 10 mg of oxy, stand on something with your "rope" around your neck. When you pass out due to the drugs, you wind up hanging yourself and too knocked out due to the drugs to react to it.

Wouldn't it be less painful to just take a lot of oxy?

While you can die from opiate overdoses, it's often not pretty on the way there for people who aren't already addicted high doses and basically surfing the threshold of overdose.

In this case, I was just thinking of ways to achieve substantial sedation. Inspired by the therapy my mom was on when she was stage 5 with metastasized breast cancer -- a combination of ativan and opioids. I know it left her nearly catatonic.

Does anyone know if there is any esoteric or occult symbolism with sitting and hanging. If there is any connection to the time of year and hanging or sacrifice? Just curious as I just "cant seem" to get the info from the tangled internetsweb.

The hanged man is the 12th tarot card of the major arcana. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanged_Man_(Tarot_card)

I was just talking about that card today with my honey because he mentioned something within the masons that has that posture too.

What is the symbolism of the doorknob. Surely that means something.

Not all of them used a doorknob so I doubt that.

The hanged man is the 12th tarot card of the major arcana. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanged_Man_(Tarot_card)

What is the symbolism of the doorknob. Surely that means something.