The Tucson LARP
1 2018-06-11 by TinderDom
A week ago, this post triggered a flood of similar posts over the next few days making more and more outlandish claims until from one day to another, it went mostly quiet.
You can find most of the posts that were made on the topic here
Many claims were made, you can read them all in the threads I have linked to.
From the top of my head, those were the more prominent claims. To date not a single one has been supported by evidence and several of them have been debunked:
A rape camp was found
Trees with arm restraints were found ("rape trees")
500 pairs of children shoes were found
A bloody knife was found
Blueprints were found
A prison was found
Graves were found
Maps were found
Tunnels leading to a casino were found
The camp was made from concrete mixed with childrens' blood
Hillary is involved somehow
A child cadaver was found (bonus: it was found using the blueprints/maps from the rape camp)
The cadaver is of a girl, it was fresh because the brain matter was still "sloshing around".
The police didn't show up for days.
There was a shoot-out at the camp
The camp was bulldozed
The camp was burned (bonus: to "destroy evidence")
Feel free to add more.
Many users who questioned the narrative were ridiculed, insulted and called pedo-supporters.
Threads pushing the narrative received hundreds of upvotes in no time. Threads questioning the narrative received a handful of upvotes at best.
So here's the conspiracy
This narrative came out of nowhere, exploded across the internet, gained a mass of followers, got spammed for several days up and down this site and then just evaporated.
Was this just simple mass hysteria or was it actively pushed?
If the former, what compels people to be so gullible?
If the latter, by whom and for what purpose? To test how such stories can easily fool people and gain traction?
Hope we can get a fruitful discussion.
84 comments
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-06-11
I love how it being a real story which was/is being actively suppressed all across the internet isn’t even an option as a potential scenario to you. You just use the D word without providing any additional proof and dismiss the entire thing completely as a larp.
I’ve almost seen more posts like this dismissing it than I have posts that actually go over the evidence they’ve presented in the last month.
If you don’t mind me asking, how do you explain the anon post from 2017 that mentions Tucson specifically?
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
I have listed all the claims I came across. There is no evidence for any of them. What other conclusion exactly should I come to?
Full quote, please.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-06-11
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/116357459/#q116360099
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Well, that never happened so why are you posting this?
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-06-11
Wow. Just... wow.
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Wow, what?
So, when did that happen? Do you think it will happen?
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Why do you claim that the skull found as part of this narrative was a child's skull?
1 hoeskioeh 2018-06-11
because the picture allows a reasonably good size estimate (foot next to it), and no one trusts the Tucson PD claining any different.
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
What measurements have you come up with then?
1 hoeskioeh 2018-06-11
given the size of the water bottle and guessing the size of the shoe...
about 15-20cm? (6-7 in) - cranial diameter
give or take.
definitely a very small adult, or a child.
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Diameter 20cm means circumference 61cm
That would make is a seriously large adult.
1 hoeskioeh 2018-06-11
:-D
Well, too bad they didn't put a hat on it then...
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
So what is your opinion based on then? Your feelings?
1 hoeskioeh 2018-06-11
that i suck at making quantitative assumptions.
i still see a skull not big enough to be from a normal sized adult.
take one of the water bottles, hold it up to your own head. compare the results.
1 Spiritual_War 2018-06-11
dont bother wasting your time on a "professional" skeptic. He will never enertain your comments, only attack them and spin narratives. He also lies and posts a lot of mis-information
1 hoeskioeh 2018-06-11
I know.
I am not posting it for him, and he is not posting this for me.
I assume we are both aware of the other not being convincable by eachother's arguments.
We both are playing to the audience. The casual readers in here only skimming the top comments, maybe doing the occasional dive down a thread until they get bored.
Would I get down to accusing a shill/troll/whatever (be it true or not), I would alienate the bystander, who is not lurking enough to distinguish us.
We both try to engage in short sentenced argument snippets. Stuff lying within the attention span of a few moments. If I can't make sense in a sentence, max two, I loose. If I can make people think "Hey, that sounds more plausible than what the other wrote." and/or "I chuckled at a humorous remark.", we might get someone reading more and start thinking for themselves as a far goal.
No one casually browsing this sub, people who are just visiting, will ever read comments like this one.
1 Spiritual_War 2018-06-11
nicely said
however I disagree with one point
Casual lurkers and random people do read comments like yours, even if its buried or downvoted. People will see it. Regardless, thanks for the reply and I agree :)
1 Balthanos 2018-06-11
Removed. Rule 10
1 Spiritual_War 2018-06-11
thanks balthonos
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-06-11
Not sure how you got that out of anything I just said.
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
No, I got that from your posting history.
https://old.reddit.com/r/creepy/comments/8pjwui/a_childs_skull/e0catrz/?context=3
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-06-11
Ah, I see. I did that simply to gauge the response it would get in a default sub (which obviously didn't happen since I was too late to the thread), since I thought that post being at the top of the FP was mildly suspicious.
Why does that even matter anyway? Can you show me where it being a childs skull was debunked?
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Because you are one of those making claims without evidence regarding this LARP and therefore spreading misinformation.
Why do you do it?
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Dude has the highly brigaded post in the other thread with an insane amount of upvotes the other day. This thread is the definition of gaslighting
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
Can you say coordinated effort to bury this topic?
1 difficult_vaginas 2018-06-11
> coordinated effort to bury this topic
> making more threads on the topic
Pick one...
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-06-11
No need to pick just one.
1 MrWizard111 2018-06-11
The anon post can be explained because Tucson has been known as a hot bed for child trafficking for years. It's not hard to start looking into the city and see who the mayor is and that he was involved with a non profit for child abuse.
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Hey this account with another dismissive post. This account loves collecting the upvotes! Oh so organic
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Please speak your mind. What exactly do you mean with this comment?
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Not falling for that. I’ll let organic users decide why you made this thread
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
I can guarantee you that I am a human if that is what you mean.
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
Just like Mark Zuckerberg is, also, "human"?
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Do you seriously think he's not?
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
Nice try. I've seen this shtoyle before.
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Do you have anything to add to this thread or will you continue to distract form the topic?
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
I've already added a lot to this thread.
1 Balthanos 2018-06-11
Removed. Rule 1
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
How is that Rule 1?
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-06-11
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8phd1x/urgent_fire_at_claimed_arizona_child_sex_camp/e0cffp6/?context=3
Lol he tried to bait me a few days ago with almost the exact same line. Obvious bait is obvious.
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
/u/tinderdom wtf?
1 Balthanos 2018-06-11
Removed. Rule 10
1 AlleganySmallmouth 2018-06-11
All ive seen from your account is dismissing people who dare to ask for evidence of these incredibly extraordinary claims.
A good conspiracy theorist should look at the evidence and see where it leads them, not start with the conclusion and then try to find evidence they think will support it
1 Balthanos 2018-06-11
Removed. Rule 10
1 Balthanos 2018-06-11
Removed. Rule 10
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
Why do you still post? You're not fooling anyone. We can see your comments and post history to infer what you're trying to do.
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
What am I trying to do? Serious question. Three users at least have been making vague comments about this but none of you dares to say what you actually mean.
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
You're trying to bury this story in this sub.
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
I am debunking it. Why is that objectionable to you?
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
I think TMOR will have more of what you're looking for.
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Why can you guys not give clear answers to clear questions?
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
I've answered all of your questions.
1 throwaway50955932 2018-06-11
You need to read between the lines. Look closely and you’ll see, “Why can’t you give me the answers I want?”
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Is it unfair this community doesn’t trust you?
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Who made you spokesperson for this sub? Delusion of grandeur?
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
You said 3 users. I certainly don’t trust you very various obvious reason which are fair. Do you believe the other two you mention are being unfair by not trusting your intentions?
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Since they never explained what exactly their problem with me is, how should I know?
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
It was fully explained. It just went over your head.
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-06-11
Where did we say 3 users?
1 ShellOilNigeria 2018-06-11
Removed. Rule 10.
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Hey OP, looking at the comments it seems this isn’t being well received but you are getting upvotes and everyone else is getting downvotes. So weird!
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-06-11
And that right there, is PRECISELY why I think there's far more to this story than people like OP would have you believe.
1 moparornocar 2018-06-11
im one of the users that upvoted OP and downvoted all the others not actually discussing the topic in the thread, just trying to call him out as a shill wihtout actually saying it. im sure there are multiple others like me that dont comment.
1 DoobieHauserMC 2018-06-11
Yep, I’m also one of those people. If anything, it seems a lot more like certain other people are trying to shut down any sort of debunking to this LARP
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
You mean authentic members of a community forum are digging into a conspiracy? Pro tip: only certain accounts scream LARP. Don’t become a useful idiot.
1 DoobieHauserMC 2018-06-11
You are the exact sort of person I’m referring to. The “everyone who disagrees with me is a shill or brigade, downvotes prove I’m right” sort
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Don’t care. We need the gas lighting. At this point it helps us. Keep defending these threads, and I mean that
1 Balthanos 2018-06-11
Removed. Rule 10
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Interesting
1 prolix 2018-06-11
Look up what shill means before you start calling people them because they have different opinions ler then your own.
1 moparornocar 2018-06-11
its not the differing opinions, its the multiple users trying to claim OP had this post brigaded and they arent "organic". they dont even give their opinions, they just come in to the post and derail it saying shit like brigades and such. how can I call them a shill for a differing opinion when they dont even leave theirs?
1 prolix 2018-06-11
Sorry I misread your comment.
1 moparornocar 2018-06-11
no worries, been there before myself.
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Your pattern recognition needs sharpening. This was not this accounts first attempt at this tactic. Goodluck to you, sounds like you’re just getting started in this sub.
1 moparornocar 2018-06-11
haha been on this sub for 5 or 6 years. and nah, just easy to see a BS "conspiracy" by this point.
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Dat sweet sweet gaslight. Try someone else
1 moparornocar 2018-06-11
lmao, maybe try not to gaslight while calling others out on it.
1 Spiritual_War 2018-06-11
For those wanting the truth and nothing but the truth and facts :)
https://youtu.be/uieh8qyHtMs
Don't listen to lies and ignorance, watch the videos and decide for yourself, don't let anyone else tell you what to believe
1 WhydoesNASAlie 2018-06-11
Dude wtf is up with that account that is killing it with top comments in every Tucson thread
1 Spiritual_War 2018-06-11
all I can say is money talks and gets things lubricated :/
1 29TiCKToCK29 2018-06-11
Here's what an intellectually honest and open approach to the subject looks like:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8pst0v/an_overview_of_tucsongate_examining_the_validity/
You can see how much more successful that thread was at garnering discussion, perhaps you can learn from it
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-06-11
This. Exactly this.
1 Stopmotionhistory 2018-06-11
I have a list too. You may want to rethink your post.
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
Just like Mark Zuckerberg is, also, "human"?
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Since they never explained what exactly their problem with me is, how should I know?
1 TinderDom 2018-06-11
Why can you guys not give clear answers to clear questions?
1 hoeskioeh 2018-06-11
that i suck at making quantitative assumptions.
i still see a skull not big enough to be from a normal sized adult.
take one of the water bottles, hold it up to your own head. compare the results.
1 Spiritual_War 2018-06-11
nicely said
however I disagree with one point
Casual lurkers and random people do read comments like yours, even if its buried or downvoted. People will see it. Regardless, thanks for the reply and I agree :)
1 moparornocar 2018-06-11
lmao, maybe try not to gaslight while calling others out on it.
1 3attheelephant 2018-06-11
How is that Rule 1?
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-06-11
Where did we say 3 users?
1 Spiritual_War 2018-06-11
all I can say is money talks and gets things lubricated :/