The Tucson LARP

1  2018-06-11 by TinderDom

A week ago, this post triggered a flood of similar posts over the next few days making more and more outlandish claims until from one day to another, it went mostly quiet.

You can find most of the posts that were made on the topic here

Many claims were made, you can read them all in the threads I have linked to.

From the top of my head, those were the more prominent claims. To date not a single one has been supported by evidence and several of them have been debunked:

A rape camp was found

Trees with arm restraints were found ("rape trees")

500 pairs of children shoes were found

A bloody knife was found

Blueprints were found

A prison was found

Graves were found

Maps were found

Tunnels leading to a casino were found

The camp was made from concrete mixed with childrens' blood

Hillary is involved somehow

A child cadaver was found (bonus: it was found using the blueprints/maps from the rape camp)

The cadaver is of a girl, it was fresh because the brain matter was still "sloshing around".

The police didn't show up for days.

There was a shoot-out at the camp

The camp was bulldozed

The camp was burned (bonus: to "destroy evidence")

Feel free to add more.

Many users who questioned the narrative were ridiculed, insulted and called pedo-supporters.

Threads pushing the narrative received hundreds of upvotes in no time. Threads questioning the narrative received a handful of upvotes at best.

So here's the conspiracy

This narrative came out of nowhere, exploded across the internet, gained a mass of followers, got spammed for several days up and down this site and then just evaporated.

Was this just simple mass hysteria or was it actively pushed?

If the former, what compels people to be so gullible?

If the latter, by whom and for what purpose? To test how such stories can easily fool people and gain traction?

Hope we can get a fruitful discussion.

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I love how it being a real story which was/is being actively suppressed all across the internet isn’t even an option as a potential scenario to you. You just use the D word without providing any additional proof and dismiss the entire thing completely as a larp.

I’ve almost seen more posts like this dismissing it than I have posts that actually go over the evidence they’ve presented in the last month.

If you don’t mind me asking, how do you explain the anon post from 2017 that mentions Tucson specifically?

I have listed all the claims I came across. There is no evidence for any of them. What other conclusion exactly should I come to?

If you don’t mind me asking, how do you explain the anon post from 2017 that mentions Tucson specifically?

Full quote, please.

Well, that never happened so why are you posting this?

Wow. Just... wow.

Wow, what?

The biggest happening will be #tucsongate when J Rothschild/ tucson mayor is outed for trafficking kids with the help of ((Casa de los Ninos)) and the Clinton foundation. This is The Lead and The Pedogate Happening of 2017. You're welcome and praise kek!

So, when did that happen? Do you think it will happen?

Why do you claim that the skull found as part of this narrative was a child's skull?

because the picture allows a reasonably good size estimate (foot next to it), and no one trusts the Tucson PD claining any different.

What measurements have you come up with then?

given the size of the water bottle and guessing the size of the shoe...
about 15-20cm? (6-7 in) - cranial diameter
give or take.

definitely a very small adult, or a child.

Diameter 20cm means circumference 61cm

That would make is a seriously large adult.

:-D
Well, too bad they didn't put a hat on it then...

So what is your opinion based on then? Your feelings?

that i suck at making quantitative assumptions.

i still see a skull not big enough to be from a normal sized adult.
take one of the water bottles, hold it up to your own head. compare the results.

dont bother wasting your time on a "professional" skeptic. He will never enertain your comments, only attack them and spin narratives. He also lies and posts a lot of mis-information

I know.
I am not posting it for him, and he is not posting this for me.

I assume we are both aware of the other not being convincable by eachother's arguments.

We both are playing to the audience. The casual readers in here only skimming the top comments, maybe doing the occasional dive down a thread until they get bored.
Would I get down to accusing a shill/troll/whatever (be it true or not), I would alienate the bystander, who is not lurking enough to distinguish us.

We both try to engage in short sentenced argument snippets. Stuff lying within the attention span of a few moments. If I can't make sense in a sentence, max two, I loose. If I can make people think "Hey, that sounds more plausible than what the other wrote." and/or "I chuckled at a humorous remark.", we might get someone reading more and start thinking for themselves as a far goal.

No one casually browsing this sub, people who are just visiting, will ever read comments like this one.

nicely said

however I disagree with one point

Casual lurkers and random people do read comments like yours, even if its buried or downvoted. People will see it. Regardless, thanks for the reply and I agree :)

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thanks balthonos

I love how it being a real story which was/is being actively suppressed all across the internet isn’t even an option as a potential scenario to you. You just use the D word without providing any additional proof and dismiss the entire thing completely as a larp.

I’ve almost seen more posts like this dismissing it than I have posts that actually go over the evidence they’ve presented in the last month.

If you don’t mind me asking, how do you explain the anon post from 2017 that mentions Tucson specifically?

Not sure how you got that out of anything I just said.

Ah, I see. I did that simply to gauge the response it would get in a default sub (which obviously didn't happen since I was too late to the thread), since I thought that post being at the top of the FP was mildly suspicious.

Why does that even matter anyway? Can you show me where it being a childs skull was debunked?

Why does that even matter anyway?

Because you are one of those making claims without evidence regarding this LARP and therefore spreading misinformation.

Why do you do it?

Dude has the highly brigaded post in the other thread with an insane amount of upvotes the other day. This thread is the definition of gaslighting

Can you say coordinated effort to bury this topic?

> coordinated effort to bury this topic

> making more threads on the topic

Pick one...

Coordinated effort to bury any posts suggesting this topic might be legitimate.

Making more threads discrediting the topic.

No need to pick just one.

The anon post can be explained because Tucson has been known as a hot bed for child trafficking for years. It's not hard to start looking into the city and see who the mayor is and that he was involved with a non profit for child abuse.

Hey this account with another dismissive post. This account loves collecting the upvotes! Oh so organic

Please speak your mind. What exactly do you mean with this comment?

Not falling for that. I’ll let organic users decide why you made this thread

I can guarantee you that I am a human if that is what you mean.

Just like Mark Zuckerberg is, also, "human"?

Do you seriously think he's not?

Nice try. I've seen this shtoyle before.

Do you have anything to add to this thread or will you continue to distract form the topic?

I've already added a lot to this thread.

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How is that Rule 1?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8phd1x/urgent_fire_at_claimed_arizona_child_sex_camp/e0cffp6/?context=3

Lol he tried to bait me a few days ago with almost the exact same line. Obvious bait is obvious.

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All ive seen from your account is dismissing people who dare to ask for evidence of these incredibly extraordinary claims.

A good conspiracy theorist should look at the evidence and see where it leads them, not start with the conclusion and then try to find evidence they think will support it

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Why do you still post? You're not fooling anyone. We can see your comments and post history to infer what you're trying to do.

What am I trying to do? Serious question. Three users at least have been making vague comments about this but none of you dares to say what you actually mean.

You're trying to bury this story in this sub.

I am debunking it. Why is that objectionable to you?

I think TMOR will have more of what you're looking for.

Why can you guys not give clear answers to clear questions?

I've answered all of your questions.

You need to read between the lines. Look closely and you’ll see, “Why can’t you give me the answers I want?”

Is it unfair this community doesn’t trust you?

Who made you spokesperson for this sub? Delusion of grandeur?

You said 3 users. I certainly don’t trust you very various obvious reason which are fair. Do you believe the other two you mention are being unfair by not trusting your intentions?

Since they never explained what exactly their problem with me is, how should I know?

It was fully explained. It just went over your head.

Where did we say 3 users?

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Hey OP, looking at the comments it seems this isn’t being well received but you are getting upvotes and everyone else is getting downvotes. So weird!

And that right there, is PRECISELY why I think there's far more to this story than people like OP would have you believe.

im one of the users that upvoted OP and downvoted all the others not actually discussing the topic in the thread, just trying to call him out as a shill wihtout actually saying it. im sure there are multiple others like me that dont comment.

Yep, I’m also one of those people. If anything, it seems a lot more like certain other people are trying to shut down any sort of debunking to this LARP

You mean authentic members of a community forum are digging into a conspiracy? Pro tip: only certain accounts scream LARP. Don’t become a useful idiot.

You are the exact sort of person I’m referring to. The “everyone who disagrees with me is a shill or brigade, downvotes prove I’m right” sort

Don’t care. We need the gas lighting. At this point it helps us. Keep defending these threads, and I mean that

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Interesting

Look up what shill means before you start calling people them because they have different opinions ler then your own.

its not the differing opinions, its the multiple users trying to claim OP had this post brigaded and they arent "organic". they dont even give their opinions, they just come in to the post and derail it saying shit like brigades and such. how can I call them a shill for a differing opinion when they dont even leave theirs?

Sorry I misread your comment.

no worries, been there before myself.

Your pattern recognition needs sharpening. This was not this accounts first attempt at this tactic. Goodluck to you, sounds like you’re just getting started in this sub.

haha been on this sub for 5 or 6 years. and nah, just easy to see a BS "conspiracy" by this point.

Dat sweet sweet gaslight. Try someone else

lmao, maybe try not to gaslight while calling others out on it.

For those wanting the truth and nothing but the truth and facts :)

https://youtu.be/uieh8qyHtMs

Don't listen to lies and ignorance, watch the videos and decide for yourself, don't let anyone else tell you what to believe

Dude wtf is up with that account that is killing it with top comments in every Tucson thread

all I can say is money talks and gets things lubricated :/

Here's what an intellectually honest and open approach to the subject looks like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8pst0v/an_overview_of_tucsongate_examining_the_validity/

You can see how much more successful that thread was at garnering discussion, perhaps you can learn from it

This. Exactly this.

I have a list too. You may want to rethink your post.

  1. people got off their computers to do something in the real world.
  2. You did not.
  3. You might want to get down there, They can use help.
  4. You really have no idea whats going on because you are obviously a suburbanite.
  5. They are still streaming, you are not looking hard enough, THEY do not care if you believe them.

Just like Mark Zuckerberg is, also, "human"?

Since they never explained what exactly their problem with me is, how should I know?

Why can you guys not give clear answers to clear questions?

that i suck at making quantitative assumptions.

i still see a skull not big enough to be from a normal sized adult.
take one of the water bottles, hold it up to your own head. compare the results.

nicely said

however I disagree with one point

Casual lurkers and random people do read comments like yours, even if its buried or downvoted. People will see it. Regardless, thanks for the reply and I agree :)

lmao, maybe try not to gaslight while calling others out on it.

How is that Rule 1?

Where did we say 3 users?

all I can say is money talks and gets things lubricated :/