The liberal in me wants to say pfft but the conservative in me agrees with you.

Which hole is each one in?

Isnt every hole a goal? :D

... no

Well That's the saying according to some.

What's wrong with safe fun?

I'd say you're some craic at the christmas party! /s

Yikes, I didn't realise i was dealing with an edgemaster!

It's totally a liberal vs conservative issue.

And be aware that not being american, i'm not talking about the liberal/conservative political parties.

Maybe you might want to reread my post..

The liberal in me wants to say pfft but the conservative in me agrees with you.

That's me agreeing with the OP but offering the idea that opposing ideas exist, based on individual thought.

The reason i can offer that argument is not because i think people should sleep around (I've been with Mrs Tron a long time and we are monogamous) but because having liberal ideas about other stuff, I'm understand liberal thought processes.

You seem narrow-minded. Sex is healthy. Not everyone wants to be in a monogamous relationship. It’s certainly healthier then beating off alone in your room watching porn.

No I can agree that sex in a relationship feels better both physically and mentally. It IS much more fulfilling in my own experience. But there are people with no interest in being in a relationship so they use casual sex to fulfill those urges. As long as they are practicing safe sex it’s still a healthy activity to engage in. Are you suggesting people who don’t want to put the time and energy into a relationship remain celibate despite their sexual urges?

Sexual urges are natural and so is acting on them. Given it’s with another consenting adult. To categorize any person who has casual sex as not having any self control is ridiculous and narrow minded.

No, I said given it’s with another consulting adult. Learn how to read and process information. Stop twisting my argument because yours doesn’t have a leg to stand on. It’s a classic technique but a majority of the people in this subreddit are intelligent enough to see when it’s being done. It won’t serve you and your agenda here.

If your urge doesn’t knowingly hurt anyone else, then go for it. I’m not going to continue engaging in this sad excuse for a discussion if you keep twisting my words and trying to make it seem like I’m saying something I’m not. Your method of discussion is pathetic and shows how unwilling you are to look outside of your own self righteous point of view. Aka the most important aspect of being a conspiracy theorist.

Your need to twist an argument into something you can easily disagree with without thinking about what was actually said is the cognitive dissonance. When your ideas are challenged you seem to grasp at whatever straws you can to prove yourself correct, even if it requires making things up. I’d say this is suggestive of a low IQ.

Yes, based on your method of arguing I’d say that’s a fair assessment. If you think debating is based on twisting your opponents arguments and changing the topic instead of providing intelligent discussion is intelligent, then no one can help you. Have fun living in a world where you are always right.

“People can do whatever they want with their bodies” doesn’t have any caveats. You’re trying to turn the argument into “people can do whatever they want to their own bodies and other peoples too” to make that argument seem invalid.

I don’t believe genitals should be offensive, but it can be traumatizing for people and affect them negatively.

Like I said, as long as it’s your OWN body. Flashing your genitals at a stranger can be seen as aggressive or an attack. It is hurting someone other then yourself.

No, I’m not. It is affecting another person. Which as I stated many times, is different then doing something to your own body. You’re the one who brought the morality of flashing someone into this. I don’t carry a bible and I’m not religious in any way. You tell me to keep a bible to myself when you are the one pushing your own morals on to others. A little hypocritical no?

Your claim that it is immoral to have casual sex brought morality into it. And that is definitely not a fact.

So you believe casual sex is morally wrong. Do you believe that people should be put in prison for having casual sex? Death penalty? Fined? How do you agree with the limiting of our already limited freedoms?

I think in that situation it depends. If a 19 or 20 year old has sex with an 18 year old? I don’t think that’s immoral. When you’re that young I don’t think you know enough about the world to make decisions in our own best interest. I would see it as someone taking advantage. Two consenting adults engaging in casual sex? I have no doubt in my mind that that is morally ok. Which is what this debate started as and seems to me to be the only relevant discussion in the terms of the original post you made.

RMFN: I believe it can be morally wrong if it becomes a lifestyle. No penalty is necessary, the psychological damage and stds are punishment enough.

Also RMFN: You're attaching morals to an action. Keep your Bible to yourself.

Also also RMFN: There's nothing moral about any of my claims.

No, I said given it’s with another consulting adult. Learn how to read and process information. Stop twisting my argument because yours doesn’t have a leg to stand on. It’s a classic technique but a majority of the people in this subreddit are intelligent enough to see when it’s being done. It won’t serve you and your agenda here.

I never even thought about it in this way. Thanks again for opening up my eyes. It's kind of similar how the dairy industry pumps the cows full of antibiotics so the cows don't get infections. In return humans will take in what is let over destroying the guy bacteria disrupting the natural flora with in ourselves. What can that cause, it's the same thing your saying. Causing bacteria to become more resistant to antibiotics. Trust your GUT, meaning think for yourself and not buy into what other people are PREACHING.

Ha not really. People today are programmed to look at the biometrics features that are only uploaded on those types of site. And if you read the description people put on those, they're bull shot because both males and females are so obsessed with looks today that they tend to lie about themselves.

I think this in turn makes people more depressed

That's why people should turn away from the phones and computers and meet people like did before social media.

I think everything in moderation is okay

Ya to look up recipes or or to read a book but to try to meet people on line as to where you can't physical gauge someone you just met in person is the biggest issue.

By unplugging from the computer/phone for awhile and going out and meeting new faces

I wonder how possible it is to use Tinder and the like for non-generate dating?

Guess I have to learn Russian.

Source on those stats?

I wonder how possible it is to use Tinder and the like for non-hookup dating?

Not ideal. You'd want a pay site like OK Cupid or Match.

So God wasn’t just being a stick in the mud.... What else is He right about?
Hmmmm.

The first strongly determines the second, for most people.

You could argue that God has nothing to do with religion.

Great post. And you can get into the eugenics, dysgenics, and epigenics of it. And how the more partners a person has inhibits their ability to pair-bond and form a strong family, ultimately ceding more power to the State/corporate Beast system...

So how are non-generates who reject popular culture to meet and date each other? Church?

I mean just pick a mental illness (Borderline, Depression, Schizophrenia etc) and one of the symptoms is heightened promiscuity.

I understand that "all elephants are grey, but not all grey animals are elephants" but it's definitely something we should be considering.

Stupid society and the human race thinking they know exactly how everything is supposed to be.

OP, you forgot to mention that your thoughts matter. It all starts with your thoughts, something I'm only myself starting to come to terms with.

I get laid on the reg to my opera singer girl friend

Even with your hawt gf?

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/VKDXi

A link between an active sex life and certain mental health issues does not mean that sex is the cause. Thats just bad science

safe consensual sex is fine.

Can't believe this thread is being downvoted. TPTB are encouraging polygamy and promiscuity to divide the masses. They are achieving this through Feminism, which is encouraging women to cheat and "trade up" with partners.

Originally, marriage was the form of social control. An institution of the Church, marriage kept men working and providing for women, keeping everyone good little slaves to the system.

But there is strength in numbers, and TPTB realized that. They are now working to isolate everyone and destroy the nuclear family.

They are achieving this through Feminism, which is encouraging women to cheat and "trade up" with partners.

Uhhh, what? No such thing is happening in the name of "feminism".

Nope. Feminism = equality. That's it, that's all. Everything outside of that is just people pushing their own ideals.

They are both.

In the workforce feminism promotes equal pay, and that has not yet been achieved.

Considering you act surprised by this claim, I have no idea what you will take as evidence/a source - so here's a few:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/times-up-equal-pay-even-a-best-place-to-work-can-have-gender-pay-gap/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top-stories

http://www.nationalpartnership.org/research-library/workplace-fairness/fair-pay/americas-women-and-the-wage-gap.pdf

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/4-ways-women-earn-less-than-men/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2018/apr/05/women-are-paid-less-than-men-heres-how-to-fix-it

https://iwpr.org/issue/employment-education-economic-change/pay-equity-discrimination/

I don't know about any scam - but I know that women should be able to work and earn the same incomes as men.

All claims after that is just political fodder.

Of course they did, but it was highly discouraged.

My grandmother wanted nothing more than to go to college and become a business woman. My family was aghast, and instead she was denied a higher education like all others in her town and spent her life raising kids and her husband. When she finally got a job as a switchboard operator at a telephone company it was quite the scandal.

Conversely, it was not a scandal when my mother got a job at a major corporation, so progress was made due to feminism - however she was sexually harassed for years and never made as much as her male counterparts. Which is still going on in the workplace today.

No, she was not.

Because she had bigger aspirations than being a wife.

Do you think all women grow up and only want to serve their husband and children and want for nothing more outside of that?

Of course you can now.

But prior to the 70's or so, it was not thought highly of.

Riiight, I'm the delusional one here. Good talk.

Sure, and I suppose Soros paid all those women to march in the 60's/70's as well, right?

I'm a feminist - still waiting for my check.

Okay. But what about the other millions of women and men who support equality for women?

Ah yes, a massive conspiracy to destroy the family unit.

It's not at all about women being able to fulfill their own hopes and desires and getting paid the same as men for doing so.

You continue to miss the point entirely, making this conversation useless. I'm done here.

But I see jobs posted, along with the income offered, if the qualifications are met, how do women make less?

Hiring managers are usually given a range of salary they can offer, so they have the discretion to offer more or less. Also many job postings do not include information about the salary.

Ok. So it's really only in certain jobs; those who don't state the pay and where discretion is left to the hiring managers who don't make up their minds until meeting the potential employee that the inequality exists? I'm just asking because many of the women I know make excellent money and I have yet to ever hear one complain. They are for the majority college educated as am I. I tend to work in areas I enjoy; working for satisfaction rather than money, so ever comparing my pay versus the women I know is not really adequate. So I hear a lot although exclusively via media about the pay inequality for women but have a hard time seeing - so all in all this is why I'm asking.

One philosopher and gender theorist does not dictate an entire movement.

Promiscuity has never been cool. For both sexes it just becomes meaningless and empty until you don't even see the human being on the other end. Our ancestors had it right. It's only been in the last 60 years that we've been fed the lies that say its ok and good for us. I've never heard of anyone who has endless one night stands that say it brings something rewarding to their life. (Usually they're so fucked up they go into therapy).

Definitely.. It devalues the act of sex. They meet their true love and sex is nothing. Not a metaphorical union of two people, not an expression of love, just something 'fun' and indulgent to do in the evening

Monogamy is just one of many valid sexual relationships that humans have created. You're 60 year timeline is stupid. Humans are animals and animals fuck.

This is actually entirely dependent upon the person. More than 50% of people are getting divorced now. Apparently something is wrong. I think monogamy is a thing of the past now. If you want to start a family and have old family traditions, then great go find a spouse and build a life together and invest your time into one another. But some people need diversity when it comes to sex. Monogamy was great for hundreds of years because we needed to reproduce and you need to be with someone long enough to do that. Now we have lives where we can fulfill our own desires and proceed with our own goals. I think there’s a lot of people that just don’t have that degree of attention anymore. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’re ill willed or don’t see the other partner as a human being. I believe if both people are safe and use the correct methods and Are making sure they don’t have any diseases, sex can be a great thing to do with other people. But for the most part you’re all retarded and don’t know how to do it safely. Sorry not sorry lol I see people all around getting pregnant and diseases and all I can think about is you guys aren’t careful enough and it gives casual sex a bad name. I just can’t see having sex with the same person for the rest of my life. It just seems entirely selfish from each person to expect that the other will hold the other person’s attention forever.

it's not so much monagamy being a thing of the past. it's more the fact that the majority of divorce cases favor the wife, majority of child custody cases favor the mother, while many of these cases should have had a different ruling.

when there is no logical/rational decision-making with the family courts system, what do you think will happen? men will stop getting married. the benefits no longer outweigh the risks.

I just think when it comes to relationships, people are entirely different. It’s like trying to agree with people about what they think God is. But it’s how they think a relationship is. If you aren’t a part of any religion and you don’t plan on ever having kids, why not have flings once in a while? If you and your partner committed to each other through thick and thin and are safe in picking other like-minded partners,but just like to have a little casual fun, I don’t see how there would be a problem with that. It’s all in trying to find who is compatible with you. Again, if you are in anyway shape or form thinking of starting families or what have you then yes definitely make sure the people you are dating are thinking and sharing the same end goals.

If you and your partner committed to each other through thick and thin and are safe in picking other like-minded partners,but just like to have a little casual fun, I don’t see how there would be a problem with that.

no man wants to be cucked by his girlfriend. why don't your run that "casual fun" by your boyfriend and see how he reacts?

1. That's objectively wrong. Cuckoldry is a fetish.

2. It's weird that you interpret an open relationship to mean the woman fucks other guys but the man doesn't fuck other women.

26 years old and still got my V card, it seems I am repellent to women so I have given up with the idea of casual sex, etc, most woman I talk to don't really have any substance to them, no personality, just a profile on IG/twitter/FB, etc.

It feels weird knowing the best years of my life are passing me by.

I don't mean to take apart your comment, buuuutt....

There are many ways to become less repellent to women. First, try meeting more women with substance, as it sounds like you could be growing bitter and that's always a repellent.

Also, you're just 26 - I'm in my 40's and these years totally beat out my 20's. In fact, most friends my age agree and shudder at the thought of their 20's.

So if you are really interested in losing your "v card" - develop some interests, become interesting, engage in those interests and the women will notice.

It's not all "hot" guys getting laid out there, I promise you.

Sex is cool bro

Ya just wrap it up and fuck strangers who cares

No its not. YOu've got a condom on. Just cause you don't get laid doesn't mean you get to spoil other ppl's fun

Nah dude. Slide it in a gash. It feels good

Slip it in that hole dude

Put your tube in the square my man

Is she fat? lol

What's his name?

woosh

Swish baby. Nothin but net

Maybe std's are the earth's way of keeping things in check.. If it thinks people are misunderstanding the reproductive mechanism and 'doing it wrong' then the earth has a way of keeping things in balance.. The earth or 'God' has no conscience, it does not warn or forgive. If you mess up, you pay for it. I agree with the general message in this post. Sex without love is as empty as love without sex

Stop pushing your own values on to other people. You sound like the government lol

Antibiotics days are numbered already imo. All the garbage people eat will do more to hurt the population then promiscuity. I think trying to control people and tell them how to live their lives is more of an issue. I think humanities days are numbered to begin with. People might as well do what they can to enjoy their short time here on earth while they can. For the record I’ve never had sex outside of a relationship, but I think people have the right to choose what they do with their own bodies.

I don’t live it due to any sort of misplaced morality system. It’s just how my life has played out so far. I’m not opposed to casual sex. Morality is guided by a persons own values and beliefs. It’s subjective. Therefor you can’t label casual sex immoral across the board. You can feel free to find it immoral, but don’t expect everyone else to follow as they have their own values. Such as the right to do whatever they want with their own body.

You’re twisting my argument because you know you are wrong. I never said that and nothing I said remotely suggests that. This is about casual sex. Now you are turning it into someone knowingly giving someone an std? That’s a completely different argument.

Typical, completely change the topic of the argument to avoid the fact that you are wrong.

As I said, as long as it’s with a consenting adult. In this case if they don’t know you have an std and you knowingly infect them then no. How many times do I have to repeat the same thing as you phrase your ridiculous argument differently in unrelated ways?

Once again you’ve twisted my argument to fit your means. Childish. You can do whatever you want to your body, you can’t do whatever you want to someone else’s. My argument stands and is not challenged in any way. Nice try though.

You're assuming everyone has std's and nobody practices safe consensual sex. Also, you can have and std and only have partners that have stds.

Your inability to accept that people have a right to do what they want with their own bodies is what is sad. The world doesn’t revolve around you and what you want. Who said I want to watch the world burn? A little dramatic are we? You seem a little to emotionally invested in this topic and that leads to you seeing it through a narrow lens.

Are you trolling? You’re arguments are ridiculous. You seem immature and unable to have a real discussion.

You can, as long as it is your body. Or that of a consenting adult. My argument has no holes, unlike yours.

No, because once again it affect a non consenting person. You’re embarrassing yourself and discrediting any argument you have made by continuing to attempt to twist mine and change the topic. I’m not running away. I’m fed up with your childish method of debating.

It’s your right to think and feel however you want yes. I believe I provided good explanations for what is “doing whatever you want” with your own body and why that is fine. In every hypothetical you attempted to turn it into using your body to do something to someone else. Which is a different discussion entirely.

I don’t subscribe to any set principles and instead decide to reach conclusions based on observations and critical thinking.

This comes off as moral posturing. We get it man, you’re Christian. You don’t have to impose on the views of people who aren’t. I’m sorry that a largely fictitious book makes you feel guilty about human nature.

Someone is mad that they can’t get laid because they post foaming nonsense on reddit all day

I have a hawt gf

Literally no one with an actual significant other would say this seriously so I am gonna have to say thats a no from me dawg

Look at the brigading on this post.

Its worse for girls though. This needs to be said as this post is way to "equalist".

Dudes don't suffer nearly as much from spreading the seed but when the womens go full skank it is far more damaging to them peronsally...and to society.

Tighten it up girls. No man wants to buy a used car thats been driven by a hundred dudes before him.

Let the downvotes fall like a hard rain!

No woman wants a man who uses the word "skank"

Dudes don't suffer nearly as much from spreading the seed but when the womens go full skank it is far more damaging to them peronsally

This is true but ironically only because of the double standard you're expressing.

It certainly is a double standard, if you view intimacy as an "equalist".

Male/female relationships should be complementarian not egalatarian. We should be equalists in human rights not in male/female relations.

It certainly is a double standard full stop. You're holding men and women to different standards, a pretty clear cut example of a double standard.

yup. You got it. Double standard confirmed. Doesn't change that its true.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, it's only true because people perpetuate the double standard that makes it true.

No its true because men and women are built different, want and desire different things, have different kinds of hormones coursing through them and equalizing those differences through psychology and sociology is akin to brainwashing and propaganda.

No its true because men and women are built different, want and desire different things

Both naturally want and desire sex.

One is penalised for this desire, the other isn't.

Double standard.

If women were no longer penalised more than men for promiscuity, there would be no additional negative consequences for them.

If women were no longer penalised more than men for promiscuity, there would be no additional negative consequences for them.

Women are no longer penalized for promiscuity and the negative consequences are quite apparent in society today. The focus on materialistic pursuits is demonstrated clearly through the promotion of indiscriminate fornication (for both sexes really but for men less so) and it has turned into an obsession. So you like to suck dick...keep it to yourself.

There was a day where men were shamed for being too promiscous as well...the solution isn't to forego the shaming for both sexes and stand behind indiscriminate fornication as a healthy and natural thing, it is to have some damn dignity and focus on something else besides hedonistic pleasure.

Women are no longer penalized for promiscuity and the negative consequences are quite apparent in society today.

Nope, it's not as bad as the past but unfortunately the double standard you promote is still common.

the solution isn't to forego the shaming for both sexes and stand behind indiscriminate fornication as a healthy and natural thing, it is to have some damn dignity and focus on something else besides hedonistic pleasure.

The solution is to keep out of other people's bedrooms.

And casual sex is natural, all sex was "indiscriminate fornication" in the wild. Not that I believe appealing to nature is a good argument, good things can be unnatural, bad things can be natural.

Sounds like you need to get laid.

Ya to look up recipes or or to read a book but to try to meet people on line as to where you can't physical gauge someone you just met in person is the biggest issue.

Ya just wrap it up and fuck strangers who cares

They are achieving this through Feminism, which is encouraging women to cheat and "trade up" with partners.

Uhhh, what? No such thing is happening in the name of "feminism".

I have a hawt gf

Literally no one with an actual significant other would say this seriously so I am gonna have to say thats a no from me dawg

Riiight, I'm the delusional one here. Good talk.

I don’t believe genitals should be offensive, but it can be traumatizing for people and affect them negatively.

So you believe casual sex is morally wrong. Do you believe that people should be put in prison for having casual sex? Death penalty? Fined? How do you agree with the limiting of our already limited freedoms?

No, I’m not. It is affecting another person. Which as I stated many times, is different then doing something to your own body. You’re the one who brought the morality of flashing someone into this. I don’t carry a bible and I’m not religious in any way. You tell me to keep a bible to myself when you are the one pushing your own morals on to others. A little hypocritical no?

I get laid on the reg to my opera singer girl friend

1. That's objectively wrong. Cuckoldry is a fetish.

2. It's weird that you interpret an open relationship to mean the woman fucks other guys but the man doesn't fuck other women.

yup. You got it. Double standard confirmed. Doesn't change that its true.

Even with your hawt gf?

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/VKDXi