I’ll tell you what the fuck.

Vaccines work. That’s what the fuck.

Vaccines do not work as well as you are led to believe and they do not work without several very serious lifelong risks that are affecting greater numbers of ppl, especially children. There are circumstances in which the vaccine may carry more risk than getting the disease.

Everyone carries on about science, but you should know both ‘the Lancet’ and ‘NE Journal of medicine’ have come out lamenting the degree of fraud in Pharma studies, about 50%. There are several cases in which Pharma was caught suppressing, ignoring and continuing to distribute defective medications.

You may want to rethink who you trust.

Are you stupid

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Most vaccines are probably fine, but some are only partially effective and carry risks that must be weighed against the potential benefits. Still others haven't been adequately tested to know what the risks or benefits really are.

There is room for rational, nuanced debate, but that kind of shit is boring and gets no clicks, likes, views. shares. So fuck off with your reason and judgement because it's not welcome by either camps.

At leaving kids disabled, yes

I really, truly, nearingly desperately wish people would stop vaccinating.

I'm not convinced it's 100% death in a syringe but I would like at least 100% more scrutiny of that market.

It was never death tho, just super soldier autism serum.

That may be true or it might be a huge guess.

I kind of think of population control as a whole bunch of differing systems at work in order to cull a population. Not one thing or process that you could point and link an obvious group to, but a wide range that takes its toll off the top.

One of those might be that roulette type lottery system of children being affected or in the case of the colored community, targeted.

a huge guess can also be true. let's not make backhanded comments to people on our side with this. vaccines are absolutely a eugenics program, agreed. people injecting thimerosal and aluminum and squalene. lmfao. yeah. it's insane. this planet is too insane for words.

Vaccinations are one the best things to have ever happened to the world you numbskull. They have saved millions of lives, they don’t create autism you dumb shits it’s your brain dead genetics that do. Please don’t have kids

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People who repeat anti vac BS should be forced to work at infectious disease centers for a period of time.

Anti vax and other forms and anti scientific garbage endanger lives and shoynot be entertained. This is not insulting it is how we as a civil society should handle problems, by forcing education on those whom it has failed.

Post hoc rationization that always comes along. Is big pharma bad, hell yes. Do they lie and screw people over for money, hell yeah. None of that justifies endangering the lives of yours and others children. Vaccines save lives, and have neary eradicated major killers.

Of course they are trying to make a profit. And you know what is the best way of making a profit for them, by making an effective product.

cough I'll leave this here, I hear it science and stuff.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4655118/

I glanced through the paper and it's a good read. I am not a doctor and my medical knowledge is really small. I found nothing that support anti vax arguments though so perhaps you should highlight the part that supports an anti vax argument.

Allow me

"While antibiotic resistance is a well-known issue in health care, antiviral resistance is rarely mentioned as an issue of concern. One of the main reasons for this discrepancy is that viral vaccines have been very successful. However, there are several infections for which antiviral resistance is becoming a serious problem. These include both infections for which a vaccine is available (e.g., influenza) and infections that do not have licensed vaccines (e.g., HIV). Although combining several antivirals has been shown to be a useful treatment strategy, arguably, efficacious vaccines would be an even more effective way to combat drug resistance."

Nothing in that supports an anti vax argument.

Well as stated, virus adapt much like bacteria albeit much slower. Therefore, vaccines can be compared to antibiotics.

Suggested a targeted approach to vaccinations.

no, that's not how vaccines work.

to put it very simply, vaccines stimulate the immune system into being able to fight viruses and bacteria it encounters later on by giving it an 'example' to learn how to fight against.

antibiotics and antivirals are just broad-spectrum drugs used to directly attack an existing infection.

You either don’t understand anything you’re typing, or you didn’t actually read the article. The article is a great read. It’s about possible ways to develop vaccines in the future that are more cost-effective so we won’t rely on antivirals alone in case of resistance. Let me break it down for you.

“One of the main reasons for discrepancy is that vaccines have been very successful.” In other words, some don’t find a reason to start testing other types of vaccines when the ones we currently have are doing so well.

“However, there are several infections for which antiviral resistance is becoming a serious problem. These include both infections for which a vaccine is available (e.g., influenza) and infections that do not have licensed vaccines (e.g., HIV).” The writers argue that finding new vaccination methods is important because viruses can develop resistance against some antivirals, such as amantadine for influenza or Epivir/ Emtriva for HIV. What they are saying is that even though HIV isn’t a “death sentence” anymore, its important to not forget about possible vaccine prophylaxes when antiviral resistance is a possibility. Influenza also needs a better vaccine in case of a major pandemic since current antivirals aren’t very effective. The efficacy of the current four-strain vaccines vary by year and strain, so finding a universal flu vaccine is the best option.

“Although combining several antivirals has been shown to be a useful treatment strategy, arguably, efficacious vaccines would be an even more effective way to combat drug resistance." I don’t think I can state it any clearer than this. HIV has HAART, but prevention would be best.

Thank you for breaking that down I was mystified how he thought that article supported an anti vaccination argument.

Ah my mistake I must of misread the article or read into it what wasn't there.

Although I do believe that viruses indeed evolve and adapt.

yeah, no. this article talks about honing the eugenics program to target certain demographics more acutely.

have a lozenge. :)

...rants about people advocating vaccination and calls them shills...

...says people who do nothing but belittle and insult don't promote healthy discussion and debate...

...wonders why he’s never part of a healthy discussion or debate...

The problem lies within my boy:

There is no debate to be had.

This title is terrible.

No need to apologize, friend. Just pointing out that most people are pro vax so saying people that are pro vax are shills doesn't make any sense

Vaccines are all part of a sinister plan. Very powerful people probably the Jews try to poison the entire world to achieve control and world domination. Gene food vaccines and micro plastics are all part of this pure evil plan.

Well, aren't you an interesting character...

Would it be the same for people who post things about themselves being anti-vax, but in such a way that it makes anti-vaxxers look dumb? Like the whole argument could be planned and then posted to Reddit on purpose?

Where there's money, there's marketing. It's rather a simple concept to manipulate online narratives using free accounts to make billions in revenue.

I'm not even smart and I get it.

Oh yeah I forget how much $ the doctors receive per vaccination. Haha it's just like the prison industry.

When will humanity grow up beyond this infantile stage of fuckin each other over?

Most people are pro-vaccine. We should all be "shills" for vaccines, because vaccines have saved millions and millions of lives.

https://www.google.com/search?q=vaccines+were+already+on+their+way+out&client=firefox-b-1-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHxPG_ueDbAhWBKHwKHWGpDwsQ_AUICygC&biw=1600&bih=805#imgrc=QYiihVCTLOeeeM:

These diseases were already on their way out when vaccines were introduced. Look at Measles on the graph specifically. Our bodies know how to adapt. Those who don't adapt... well we are overpopulated anywho.

Overpopulation will slowly decrease the standard of living for EVERYBODY until it is unbearable. We can already see this happening. We need to either cooperate to create technological advancements that solve the resource issues we have today, or just wait for the culling of the herd. Truth hurts

We are keeping people (who arent even enjoying thier life) on life support just because they fear death. We need to remind ourselves that there is consciousness after death. It becomes so obvious after a certain point. Just die and go get recycled haha enjoy a new form. Energy is never destroyed only transformed.

That article you linked to is shit and their references and broken and shit

Your consciousness is shit. Go meditate or recycle yourself. We don't need you <3

‘Recycle yourself’ is some kind of euphemism for ‘kill yourself’ I’m guessing. Inventive

haha, yeah. It includes a sense of transformation. You can simply meditate and experience ego death and re-birth yourself. But that takes effort and well, many don't like effort. They'd rather make their 20-year deathbed comfortable while they wither away on the backs of others. Whilst keeping society stuck in the stone age with their outdated perspectives. Yay humanity

That's...not how evolution works, nor is it how epidemiology works. It's also not how energy works.

If you're refuting a massively confirmed theory like "vaccines work," you better have more than a Google search and some magical thinking.

Enjoy the timeline of extremely limited consciousness <3

By posting a link to the user's account, you alerted them to your post and invited a pro-propaganda brigade to come shit on it.

It only seems like a brigade because antivaxxers are in the minority. Pushing this agenda that had helped so many people for generations because donations told you they think it causes autism. I've po pretty given up trying to even fight you guys because nothing will change your mind and now just try to educate people around me about the importance of vaccinating. Dogs are a great example.. Have you ever seen a puppy suffer through parvo? Do you know what parvo is? Did you know vaccinating against it is now the law and because of that countless puppies don't have to suffer and in all probability die? Not getting vaccinated is like playing Russian roulette for intense suffering. People like yourself that spread misinformation are unintentionally spreading possible suffering and death. You are unapologetic and without care to others around you. I despise people like you for doing your small part in making this planet a more miserable place for many people. It truly is shameful.

My body. My choice.

Looks like the shills found this thread and censored it

Yeah, pro vax is frantically astroturfing. Not working. No one's going to stop us.

haha, yeah. It includes a sense of transformation. You can simply meditate and experience ego death and re-birth yourself. But that takes effort and well, many don't like effort. They'd rather make their 20-year deathbed comfortable while they wither away on the backs of others. Whilst keeping society stuck in the stone age with their outdated perspectives. Yay humanity

a huge guess can also be true. let's not make backhanded comments to people on our side with this. vaccines are absolutely a eugenics program, agreed. people injecting thimerosal and aluminum and squalene. lmfao. yeah. it's insane. this planet is too insane for words.