This is a big story. The government is stealing children, and coming up with reason after reason as to why they're doing it.

The coverage will die down soon enough, but for now, there's a reason why the media is focusing on it so much.

It's not contrived unless you believe Donald Trump is contriving it. The policy of separating families is new. Donald Trump messed up and the heat is coming now because this policy implemented in April just became known in May. It is now June. Donald Trump messed up and now those who don't like him are milking it.

It's that simple: Donald Trump messed up and he messed up now. He was caught and his outrageous policy has outraged people.

What's contrived about that? Trump has no noticeable ability to take responsibility for anything.

Happens EVERY DAY under the guise of US "child protection"

Maybe ppl think it's fucked up to separate parents from children. Or that its fucked up that that ice agent raped a 4 year old and threatened her parents with deportation if they talked. Just a though.

What happens to the children of us citizens when they go to jail. Kids go to family or cps. Same thing is happening here.

Yep. When a citizen is arrested, put the kids in cages and lose 6000 of them. Good point idiot.

Lol you just said separate. And not wanting to be found is different then losing.

Did they edit their comment? Nice.

We see this coordinated propaganda push time and time again and its starting to get real annoying these lap dogs just go where they point still. Its shitty and my empathy is being replaced by hatred and frustration with peoples complete lack of common sense when approaching these issues now. The guardians have shown a complete lack of ability to properly care for their kids and most the time when separated its because they cannot prove they are the parents of the child. So they are forced into this position of handing back kids to traffickers or a guardian who will risk the life of the kid at the next given chance. And instead of coming up with real solutions we get debbie wasserman schultz doing photo ops and Kaine hoping around like a useful little puppet when just a few years ago he was preaching in my state about how immigrants must follow the laws.

most the time when separated its because they cannot prove they are the parents of the child.

That's not true at all. They are separated because Trump is choosing to prosecute their parents and children are not allowed in gaols. Being able to prove parentage has nothing to do with it.

It's also not "common sense" to rip babies away from their parents. It's inhuman.

That's not true at all

Source me up bruv.

this whole thing seems so sensational

The US government is stealing children from their parents and putting them in concentration camps. I don't know what you think is a bigger story than that.

"Governments in third world countries have done worse to kids, so what we're doing is fine"

Your argument is STILL that kids are treated worse in third world countries, so we shouldn't be upset about it.

You realize you can be upset about more than one thing at a time, right? Like you can care about the horrible stuff happening to kids in other countries (hell you can even work at an international charity to help them, as I do) and still be vocal that what's happening in our backyard is NOT okay.

My argument was never "you cant be upset about this". Its: hey! This bad thing going on seems to be a rather convenient distraction at an opportune moment.

You can make that point without getting into the fact that children are being mistreated in African and Asian countries, thus drawing a parallel, which helps no one.

I agree that I find it shocking and upsetting that people were given those orders and physically took these children from their parents without asking questions. I agree that's worrying for the morality of our nation. But when it comes down to it, I'm a LOT more outraged at Trump and Sessions and co - they can stop this. Neither of them are living paycheck to paycheck and know that if they speak out, they will lose their jobs. The grunts on the ground have circumstances I don't know but Trump? He can end this anytime he wants.

"When all are guilty, no one is; confessions of collective guilt are the best possible safeguard against the discovery of culprits, and the very magnitude of the crime the best excuse for doing nothing." - Hannah Arendt

Everyone can be guilty but expecting the people who have the most to lose (i.e. their jobs and thus everything they have) to be the ones to first stand up to power is unrealistic.

Trump is the reason this is happening. We should put pressure on people at all levels of these actions, but the number one person is the person who started this and who can stop it with a word.

The US government is stealing children from their parents and putting them in concentration camps.

Hop off the bullshit buddy.

Which part of that do you disagree with? And in response to your other comment, I don't need a source. If you listened to Session's speech he explained why children were being separated from their parents. Go hear it from the horses mouth on youtube.

There isn't any evidence that families able to prove their relationships aren't being separated.

I really do not appreciate you trying to manipulate these people with bullshit you are pulling straight from your ass. We have laws and a border and a legal immigration process. We have VERY strict rules that must be followed when releasing children in these situations to avoid situations much worse then sleeping on a fucking cot.

"Just following orders" right?

demanding birth certificates before giving them back?

These are the parents traveling across country and starting a new life right? Why would they not have proof and birth certificates?

You're telling me that the children are being taken away for not being able to prove their relationship - contrary to what the administration is saying.

Why are you asking me to defend your argument?

I have no idea if they're taking important documents with them or not.

So when they get crossing the border you think we swoop in steal the kids put them in a concentration camp even when the parents have proof its their offspring and proof of where they came from?

That is exactly what's happening! This is why everyone is up in arms!

This is where you have to prove that is actually happening my dude. Because its absolute bullshit not even close to reality.

Sessions stating this is policy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0OvFlS9rQ0

Footage from inside one of the facilities released by the Trump administration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3xmqxoHu9k

Audio recording of children crying for their parents at the border:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-XKHgqxl4U&t=128s

Trump admitting that it's happening and trying to blame the Democrats -despite this being the product of his and Session's "zelo tolerance" policy (see top video).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7lEt_Yr6-w

The UN has condemned Trump actions:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/world/europe/trump-migrant-children-un.html

"I don't want children taken away from parents," Mr Trump said. "When you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally - which should happen - you have to take the children away."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44538110

Sessions explaining what's happening and using the bible to defend it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwlGkPquZxk

Sarah Sanders doubling down on the policy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_a4vKtNfjM

How much more evidence do you need? There's plenty I can keep going if I have to.

Oh no, hes enforcing laws just like we elected him to do! Honestly the facilities look much better then a lot of slums here in D.C.

Right so you're okay with what Trump's doing. Fine. That make's you an amoral scumbag and a terrible human being, but at least you're not denying what Trump is up to now.

That make's you an amoral scumbag and a terrible human being

I have done more for my family and community in one day then you have ever done in your entire life you piece of shit. Go to the fucking border and help if you actually care so fucking much. You wont tho, you just want good boy points.

Yup, your family and yourcommunity. How noble. Meanwhile babies are being torn away from their mothers and you’re okay with it because it was Trumps idea.

You were incredulous before I convinced you it was happening, now you’re okay with t because it’s Trump policy.

Get up off your fucking knees and condemn the indefensible, rather than sucking Trumps dick like a snivelling worm.

If you honestly think its such a horrible act why the fuck you sitting here talking to me? Get the fuck off your whiny ass and go fucking do something instead of condemning me for being rational.

And what am I going to do exactly? Storm the facilities? Take out the guards Jason Bourne style, change the nappies of hundred of babies, and learn Spanish so I can try to get them back to their parents?

And of you think ‘rationality’ is turning a blind eye to atrocities because of partisanship, you’re not only a terrible person you’re also a moron.

You’re exactly the kind of person that allowed the holocaust to happen.

You’re exactly the kind of person that allowed the holocaust to happen.

Dude I fucking love that you people exist. Hurry up and get aids you stupid faggot, the world is sick of you.

Read a history book. You obviously learned nothing from the events of the 20th century.

Seriously get fucked you tremendous piece of shit.

Stay in school kiddo

Trump's charity just got hit with a huge lawsuit alleging all kinds of campaign fraud, and that's barely been on MSM's radar.

The New York AG (state office) filed a civil suit alleging illegal borrowing/gifts from the Trump Foundation to pay off various lawsuits and to give to his presidential campaign. This lawsuit not only targets Trump, but his kids who are board members on the charity. Because these are tax fraud/campaign finance allegations, NY cannot pursue criminal charges, but they laid out very carefully in their civil complaint how the IRS/FEC could charge the Trump Foundation.

The suit got filed the same day as the IG report was published. Barely anything has been heard about it since between IG/Comey stuff and the immigration debate.

NYTimes story: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/nyregion/trump-foundation-lawsuit-attorney-general.html

Immigration scaremongering is Trump's bread and butter and the one issue that resonates with his base the most. He wants this to stay in the news as long as possible.

Look how many MS-13 and sanctuary city ads are being run in areas that have no MS-13 presence. The republicans think a hardline immigration platform is how they win the midterms.

It was huge the day it dropped, then two days later there were reports that it was bullshit.

The coverup here is for the IG stuff, not the lawsuit.

What about the lawsuit is bullshit? Did Trump not use charity funds to pay off Trump Organization settlements?

Did Trump not use charity funds to buy a painting of himself to hang in a sports bar he owns?

Did Trump not use charity funds to donate money as part of a campaign stunt?

Timing is key, and I'm sure you know that.

Trump is about individual gangster style corruption. I'm far more concerned about systemic, institutional, satanic globalist corruption.

Your concerns are yours. Trump is concerned with his illegal dealings, which is why he’s making loud statements to the media daily to distract from them.

Whenever you see the media go whole whore 24/7 on single story like they are with the illegal kids, you know THEY'RE the ones doing the distracting. If you don't know that by now, you're in the wrong sub.

Trump has a lifetime of experience manipulating the media to report every lie that comes out of his mouth. Give the man some credit.

I disagree with you in the broader sense, but not on the particulars. Your comments suggest you are sincere. Appreciate your perspective.

Bullshit? He literally signed a piece of paper authorizing 100k go from his "charity" to pay off legal bills. That's a felony.

The timing is important. Bet you know that.

Trump is about individual gangster style corruption. I never liked him. But I'm far more concerned about systemic, institutional, satanic globalist corruption.

So imaginary satanic cults mean more to you than actual crimes that have documentary evidence to support them? Man, what color is the sky in your world?

You have no idea what's going on. I'm sorry. It was nice when I lived in the world of the fooled, but I'm glad to have left it behind me.

Best of luck to you.

The coverup here is for the IG stuff, not the lawsuit.

Ha, so glad you know this... somehow...

Cuz I'm smarter than the average bear.

[Yogi reference, not Russia]

Distraction from the ongoing hearings on the IG report

keep your eyes on that and the new revelations we'll get as days passes

Yes, this. Horowitz and others have been testifying before Congress for 2 days now. Anything they can do to distract the sheep from what’s really happening.

Absurd. The IG report is nothing. If anything, it exonerates Hillary Clinton.

She was never the target of any investigation as confirmed today? That exonerates it to you? Are you serious?

The number of children being separated has climbed steeply in recent weeks.

It is news.

It was news for years

Why now?

Oh wait ya, the IG report

The number increased rapidly in the last few weeks.

You told me that in the last comment

Indeed I did.

You said it was news for years. That's not how news works.

It recently skyrocketed in numbers and therefore impact and attention.

That's news. I can't believe you don't understand this.

Have you listened to the hearings? That's news. I can't believe you don't understand this.

There are many hearings on many things. Which ones do you mean?

Are you saying that two things cannot be discussed at the same time in modern mass media?

I'm fairly sure my newspaper has weather and sports.

The MSM knows the truth, yet they refuse to report on it

Majority of these kids aren't getting separated from their family. They're getting separated form their traffickers.

No

It's not contrived unless you believe Donald Trump is contriving it. The policy of separating families is new. Donald Trump messed up and the heat is coming now because this policy implemented in April just became known in May. It is now June. Donald Trump messed up and now those who don't like him are milking it.

Tagging minors/immigrants maybe bit of a stretch but it's been terrorised before of chipping people and I think the way to do that is to get people on board chipping kids to prevent abduction and then every kid will be chipped eventually so that in years to come everyone will be chipped

Mark of the beast, how orwellian!

I was wondering about this myself.

most the time when separated its because they cannot prove they are the parents of the child.

That's not true at all. They are separated because Trump is choosing to prosecute their parents and children are not allowed in gaols. Being able to prove parentage has nothing to do with it.

It's also not "common sense" to rip babies away from their parents. It's inhuman.

What about the lawsuit is bullshit? Did Trump not use charity funds to pay off Trump Organization settlements?

Did Trump not use charity funds to buy a painting of himself to hang in a sports bar he owns?

Did Trump not use charity funds to donate money as part of a campaign stunt?

No

Bullshit? He literally signed a piece of paper authorizing 100k go from his "charity" to pay off legal bills. That's a felony.

The coverup here is for the IG stuff, not the lawsuit.

Ha, so glad you know this... somehow...

Indeed I did.

You said it was news for years. That's not how news works.

It recently skyrocketed in numbers and therefore impact and attention.

That's news. I can't believe you don't understand this.

Have you listened to the hearings? That's news. I can't believe you don't understand this.