Was xxxTentacion too influential?

1  2018-06-20 by anonz7

No major label , couldn’t control him , revolutionary/ waking up the masses , didn’t fit their narrative?

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Please give examples of his influence and waking people up. Cause from here those are totally unfounded claims

Just look at his concerts and what he was saying as speaking out against :

The establishment

Bone thugs have been doing that since 1993, they all living.

Tons of artists do that. He was a punk ass kid that had a schtick. I'm sure TPTB were quivering in their boots.

Dude, he made enemies and didn't step up his security because he was a young dumb kid, like oh so many of us once were or are. Why is everything have to be a conspiracy? Once you go down that hole, it's tough climbing out.

Drake did it

That pic X posted on drake covered in semen is real imo

Massive downvotes , on a conspiracy sub, isn’t that odd?

Hmmm🤔

In fairness, this has been posted about a ton and I think some are just tired of it / not interested because they don't know who he is. I'm sure there's some voting fuckery going on but that's not the whole story.

Personally I don't know who he is and will have to give him a listen before deciding how influential or seemingly threatening to the establishment he was.

The fact someone like Immortal Technique hasn't been taken out makes me think tptb aren't offing rappers.

Agreed. Sick of this guy and I never even heard of him until he died. Sucks, if you like this guy so much you're creating a lot of ill will towards him with this constant spamming. Can't you go to r/rap or hip hop or some other sub?

People disagreeing with your theory doesn’t automatically make them shills. This is why the sub isn’t great anymore. Anyone that disagrees with any theory put forth is a “shill”. Guess what I have a theory that Hitler is actually Obama after he had plastic surgery done! Ohhh you don’t believe me? Shill!!! You’re a shill!!

no one buys in to your theory, or what is more obvious from the comments no one here knew who the fuck this guy even was.

no idea who he was, no idea what hes said, no idea why any one cares hes gone, this sums up my opinion on the post

He was so naive, always alone, always posting where he would be, not really revolutrionary or anything similar

With all due respect I think you’re reaching

Really ? This is the first time in a while a young outspoken rap artist has been murdered , pretty big imo and lot of questions remain unanswered

Or was it part of a bigger cover up so when jimmy wopo got popped it wasn’t so big? Also interesting that the tattoos on his face in the videos are gone. Maybe just bad angels and poor lighting but this whole thing seems so odd.

He’s been adding and removing them all year, talking about killing his old self, pr stunt. Recent photos show this. Weather he had laser removal or covered idk. When cats catch big money it’s not uncommon to remove all the old junk, and get $5k and hour baller tatts for pr/clout.

Yeah but he just got the clock not too long ago also the tree was gone I’d be very surprised if he spontaneously got them removed.. but I’m not saying it’s not feasible. And as far as him “killing” his old self I understand that but don’t you think he would’ve responded to someone. Something? I mean shit there’s even a police report ya know? (If what you’re saying is it’s a hoax if not I didn’t get that part lol)

Lots of artists photo-shop their tattoos off of videos, marketing materials, etc...

I had wondered and even stated somewhere that his face tattoos might’ve been fake

I wouldn’t say. “Too influential”but he was going about the game a different way and like someone said before maybe he was young naive and didn’t ramp up his security. Plies said it best in an interview when he said it be the people in your own city that grow and fester this hate and jealousy for you to the point where they can’t take it and want to take your life.

Exactly but he was already gaining a lot of traction in the underground scene and would have been extremely influential to millions when his new album dropped .

They probably could spot this sort of thing, he had the potential to be kind of like the Tupac of this generation.

Regardless of his past, he had a way of communicating and speaking to people

He wasn’t exactly “underground” an avg of over 100million streams on his top songs on Spotify kinda puts him more into the limelight. But he did have a certain way of relaying and conveying his message to the people that was beautiful. I wasn’t a huge fan until a little while ago but I was a huuuggge fan of lil peep before he passed and I feel they were very comparable in a lot of ways except X got shot and Peep OD’d. Both of those artists were doing amazing things changing the game with so many different things they were doing. They were pushing all boundaries on hip pop / rap / punk / alternative. Making music for the outcasts or people who feel different and can’t fit in. All in all. A great was lost which is truly a shame.

He could have been a blood sacrifice either for someone else's fame or to fulfil a ritual.

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-troubled-life-and-symbolic-death-of-xxxtentacion/

Hold up, you think MJ faked his death ???

This is an ok video on the subject but only goes into a bit about his "death." MJ always discussed faking his death and mentioned it numerous times, the picture of him being put into the ambulance is a retouched pic of him from the 80's after his hair caught fire, his death certificate was not signed by his dr., there was no body on the stretcher taken into the hospital, there is footage of a similar looking disguised male being ushered into the hospital, etc. Look into it as there is far more evidence that he faked his death than that he actually died.

https://youtu.be/2zH35aaXveA

https://youtu.be/2zH35aaXveA

Black rapper getting shot isn't going to raise eyebrows regardless of how influential he was. However a lot of people in the entertainment business have been committing "suicide" recently so maybe they went with a shooting this time to mix it up. Assuming these people are all being taken out of course.

I had never heard of him until he was murdered, so I wouldn't consider him to be too influential.

Yeeesh where have you been for the last 3-4years.. you’re way behind. I ain’t saying 69 in influential but that’s like saying you don’t know who he is

I had never heard of him before his death.

Same here.

You guys must not listen to rap?

I'm a 50 year old Stay Home Mom. No, I don't listen to rap music.

Well I bet your kids listen to him or have heard his music (if they’re older than 8-10 and aren’t pretty sheltered) but that means the doors/ Bon Jovi are more up your alley then aye.

Bon Jovi is definitely up my alley!

What he does is not Rap. Its pop

I’d say it’s more alternative rap but whatever same same

I'll concur to that.

So were the reports of him abusing his woman false? Never heard of him until he died.

He just seemed like a seriously misguided individual. Preaching anti govt at your concert isn't grounds for killing him, there are plenty of rappers that do that.

Just seems like a reach.

No I’m pretty sure those allegations are true which is the primary argument against him. But my rebuttable yo that would be (and don’t think I’m standing up for DV here because I’m not) but he’s a 17 year old kid at the time obviously very troubled and he did something none of us should ever do but are you really going to hold that one thing against him as w mean to hate him? I mean shit we probably meet 20+ people a day with DV charges against them and we never know. It’s just because he has been in the spotlight and all of his mistakes get pushed into the front page. He was young dumb and obviously didn’t have the best decision making skills but none of those are grounds for him to be killed.

Well I never said I hated him for it. I just said what he's preaching isn't grounds for some conspiracy killing of him.

I don't know how this dude lived his life day to day I literally just heard of his existence yesterday (which leads me to believe he wasn't as popular/influential as some people say). Yet the fact that he's young, dumb, somewhat rich and popular as he was is more likely the reason he ended up dead.

I hear ya and agree with you

Saying “I’ma f--- y’all little sisters in they throats, I swear to God. I swear to God, everybody that called me a domestic abuser, I’m finna domestically abuse y’all little sister p---- from the back,”

Those are grounds to be killed.

Is it tho? If you believe that then you don’t belong in America where speech is free and if you believe that then how do you feel about every other artist. How did you feel about Eminem when he came out with that colombine line? I mean what you just said was absolutely insane. Someone should be murdered over their rap lyrics? Isn’t everyone entitled to say what they want it doesn’t have to appease anyone or everyone. Yeesh this is what’s wrong with America.

Eminiem's columbine lyrics were censored originally for over 10 years, but good point.

He wasn't saying that in a lyric. He was technically making threats to anyone.

Fair points all around though.

That's what is wrong with the world, people think there are no consequences to their actions. Yea you can say what you want, but doesn't mean there are repercussions.

True and I understand that. But at the same time I’m surprised most rappers are sill alive then by that logic. ESPECIALLY 69 RN!

I will say that of the current soundcloud rap generation 2016- now he was by far the most legitimately talented. He had a lot more passion and thought and creativity put into his music than any of these other young soundcloud rappers out now. Most of the other 'artists' from this sub genre are basically just ironic jokes. They just operate based on the idea that if they get face tatoos or look crazy or do and say effiminate ironic shit that rap isnt traditionally known for, they can get attention and be successful. They mumble lyrics that dont rhyme and have very little substance or originality or talent. Unfortunately this has proven to be a formula for success.

Rap used to be about releasing aggression, and intimidating lyrics. It was always a genre that operated on the principle of shock, but it was usually the shock of people being violent or dangerous. Now its just devolved into a literal freak show.

X had some of the same freak show elements, but there was genuine talent, genuine passion and genuine substance in his music that just doesnt exist in most rap today.

All that being said, I have to admit i'm not very familiar with his music, but I dont personally think he was a threat to the establishment. If anything he was a useful tool of the establishment to promote the fantasy of achieving material wealth through being a rapper. Just the fact that rappers exist and can get rich creates an illusion and a fantasy that could serve as a useful distraction.

Again, not knowing much about his music, I cant say if he was trying to enlighten or expose the system, but I can say whether he was or not, it was his own carelessness and running his mouth too much that likely got him killed.

I know he was only 20, but why would you be rolling in an $80,000 car with $100,000 in a louis viton bag, especially when you have a number one album, are well known, and even worse, you have gained a lot of attention for talking a lot of reckless inflammatory shit about a A LOT of potentially dangerous and people, and even threatened peoples lives on instagram and twitter? "dont come to broward"

I get it, controversy sells, and a lot of it may have been an act, but if you make your money in an industry that is known for promoting violence and criminality, and is known for doing business with shady underworld figures who finance rappers careers often through drug sales, why would you be so careless? If your basically a professional beef starter and shit talker, and thats how you earn your living, at a certain point you have to be able to back that up, or at least invest HEAVILY in security to insulate ourself from the possible dangers. At that point you are basically giving up your freedom to ride in your car alone. You just cant do it EVER.

Its not like jay leno riding around LA, "oh theres jay leno." Even he has money and notoriety and could be potentially robbed, but he hasnt threatened peoples lives on social media, and he hasnt made himslef known for talking inflammatory shit about potentially dangerous people. Its a different ballgame of fame.

So I personally dont think he was taken out by the powers that be for exposing the system. I think he was a naive reckless young kid who had serious rage issues and ran his mouth WAY too much, and probably said the wrong thing, to, or about the wrong person, and then failed to tactically secure his person.

Its a shame, but he cant be riding around with no security and lots of cash and not even just one friend in the car to help watch his back.

I don't know about too influential but something really doesn't add up. I don't know if you have seen the conspiracy posts accusing Soldier Kidd, another Florida rapper, of mudering X. Also someone pointed out that in some of the witness videos, his pants are different colors, one red, and one black. Also I can't make out his face tats. I'll look for links, but I definitely think something is up.

No.

Also, those riots were really over-reported. I was ON Melrose last night, about three blocks away from where this supposedly happened. Whatever it was, it wasn't that big a deal.

Who cares let’s talk about the children that are being sold into sex slavery

Too influential ? Give me a fucking break he's no martyr

He actually had a much larger influence then you might think. He had over 20 million page views for his lyrics on genius.com (5th of any artist in 2017), his album "?" was number 5 on billboard top 100 for 3 weeks, had many top songs, and had well over 6 million instagram followers. X talked about the touchy subject of suicide and was even faulted for doing so after some of his music was taken off spotify. After this wave of adolescent suicides, even the netflix series 13 reasons why was pushed to be taken off from viewers eyes. X had no label, didnt fit any narrative for sure, talked about violence, and was even tried for a number or crimes. Being he was only 20 years old and had reached the level of success that he did and seemed to be miles apart from the other "new age" rappers... its possible he was taken out because people were scared he would be too strong in the future

Well I bet your kids listen to him or have heard his music (if they’re older than 8-10 and aren’t pretty sheltered) but that means the doors/ Bon Jovi are more up your alley then aye.

No I’m pretty sure those allegations are true which is the primary argument against him. But my rebuttable yo that would be (and don’t think I’m standing up for DV here because I’m not) but he’s a 17 year old kid at the time obviously very troubled and he did something none of us should ever do but are you really going to hold that one thing against him as w mean to hate him? I mean shit we probably meet 20+ people a day with DV charges against them and we never know. It’s just because he has been in the spotlight and all of his mistakes get pushed into the front page. He was young dumb and obviously didn’t have the best decision making skills but none of those are grounds for him to be killed.

I had wondered and even stated somewhere that his face tattoos might’ve been fake