For those who want this subreddit to return its focus to a space less inundated with politics, please spend some time in the new queue. The reddit algorithm gives more weight to those who vote in the new queue, and only in that way will the subreddit be able to reflect non-political content.
1 2018-06-21 by AssuredlyAThrowAway
I realize that it can sound like a broken record, constantly harping on about the importance of the new queue and such; however, it cannot be emphasized enough that we all, as a subreddit, must be the change that we want to see in this community.
So please, if you would like to see more variety in which topics are being covered on this subreddit, please spend some time in the new queue- https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/new/
In fact, some even set their browser homepage to the new queue as a way to establish a habit of visiting that queue.
All too often, as redditors, we can fall into the trap of only voting from the hot queue. This, in turn, reduces the cogency of content on the subreddit as insipid content, with eye catching headlines, will slowly swallow whole the board as if a conflagration.
As the nature of a user curated aggregate is rooted in user voting, and recognizing the endless attacks against this subreddit by outside groups, only through an increase in activity in the new queue can organic users hope to reclaim this space from those factions (on all sides and from every view point) attempting to utilize this space as a battleground.
This is not in any way to suggest that political conspiracies should be downvoted (as they are obviously quite important in light of current dynamics worldswide), but rather that the soul of this subreddit is truly those who spend time in the new queue.
Furthermore, for those wondering what kind of content hides in the new queue (simply waiting to be discovered) take a look at one of the greatest posts in the history of our community- https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cm0t3/original_research_the_mountain_of_evidence_for_a/
Thanks for taking the time to read through these thoughts and see you all in the new queue :).
114 comments
1 plato_thyself 2018-06-21
This sub jumped the shark in 2016 and the astroturf for 2020 has only just begun...
1 3rdeyenotblind 2018-06-21
Jesus...Your right. I don't even want to think of 2020...
1 GreenIDLady 2018-06-21
Get ready for Tulsi "CFR" Gabbard vs Trump 2020. Another puppet show of epic proportions.
1 MettaAhimsa 2018-06-21
No way. We're winning. Look at threads. The hate is all in the collapsed comments. Keep it up everyone. Downvote the hate. Upvote the love.
1 ichoosejif 2018-06-21
This. 10/10.
1 SixVISix 2018-06-21
"We". Uh huh.
1 Third_Eye_Blown 2018-06-21
"we"
The people who want capitalism to fail.
1 RMFN 2018-06-21
Keep America Great.
1 Barimm 2018-06-21
I don't think you're promoting love. "Keep America Great" is the hateful Trump's campaign slogan for 2020.
1 RMFN 2018-06-21
Found the illegal!
1 Barimm 2018-06-21
I'm not as illegal as Russia's puppet, Trump.
1 RMFN 2018-06-21
Bernout Blownout!
1 OWNtheNWO 2018-06-21
This sub has been manipulated as long as I've been here, which is as long as this account.
1 Nogrim6 2018-06-21
ive been around 2009/2010 it wasnt that bad until the occupy wallstreet stuff really picked up. the difference b/w now and then is crazy.
1 NapalmForNarratives 2018-06-21
r/conspiracy helped to unite multiple dissident factions in an extremely effective push back against the establishment media's narrative. As a consequence, The Black Hole of Fuckery is finally cracking ... and it's full of lying spies.
More or less every conspiracy theorist can hope to find confirming evidence for his/her/nonbinary conspiracy theory as the tendrils of The Steele Fuckup uproot the establishment.
Now who on earth would want to miss that?
1 ToddWhiskey 2018-06-21
This.
1 Teknos3 2018-06-21
Well said! Thank you!
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-06-21
The new queue is where anything that incriminates NASA goes to die.
1 zling 2018-06-21
Fake terror conspiracies are generally political anyway
1 HibikiSS 2018-06-21
I think you guys should sticky a post telling users to browse by new like this once in a while.
Also, my advice to users over here is not pay that much attention to news unless they are truly conspiracy related. Rather, search for corruption cases involving politicians, corporations or organizations. These aren't conspiracy theories but rather historical/factual conspiracies. These are usually my most upvoted posts.
1 terminal-apathy 2018-06-21
They can always out-brigade any natural voting anyways.
1 Everythings 2018-06-21
But this way we still see it
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
Ding ding ding!
1 Third_Eye_Blown 2018-06-21
Yes, nothing the users of the sub can do will outpace the resist nuggets.
The mods are abdicating their responsibilities by allowing this place to go the way /politics did.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
Feel free to hit us with solutions..
1 MettaAhimsa 2018-06-21
Dont believe them. We're making a lot of progress. These shills are being exposed and downvoted. Punish them for their hate and divisiveness. Downvote these chumps. We're taking this bitch back.
1 Alpinegoatherd 2018-06-21
Can you point to one definite exposure, or are you making accusations based on your feelings?
I think the subreddit would be a friendlier place without the vitriol against other users.
1 MettaAhimsa 2018-06-21
Cry about it shill.
1 Alpinegoatherd 2018-06-21
I think the subreddit would be a friendlier place without the vitriol against other users.
1 Third_Eye_Blown 2018-06-21
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8su7ml/for_those_who_want_this_subreddit_to_return_its/e142sm3/
A good start would be to recognize that people like this will support you in watching the sub die as long as you're doing all the wrong things or at least not doing the right things.
They'll pretend like the rot we all see is actually "progress" and that they give a shit about the community beyond ensuring it isn't a platform for people they disagree with to congregate.
In reality the sub is becoming MSMplus where the plus represents a departure from the MSM's policy of pretending like they don't want the US to fail and become "that other European country" complete with lacking free speech and an overbearing nanny state.
You know it as well as many Americans do. They want us to fail. All the policies and goals are designed to weaken and divide us, any departure from that is punished in the court of media opinion.
Are progressives being banned from Twitter and YouTube and deplatformed from speaking events?
Are insane people who claim there are 72 genders being mocked by the media or just reasonable people who speak out against blatantly deranged ideas?
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-06-21
Fair and equal application of the rules would be a start. Evidently saying someone who told me in a private message that they are IDF that they are IDF is a rules violation but me being called shill 10+ times isn't.
I don't care at all about being called a shill but if the rules is going to be in place it should be applied equally.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
We can't verify what you were or were not said in PMs so if you called someone a JIDF shill it's gonna get cleaved.
Use the report function or Message The Mods for rule breaking comments.
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-06-21
As a test I did report at least 5 of them over the course of multiple days then monitored those comments via a script that checked on them ever 3 hours.
Not a single one was removed.
Again, I don't care about being called a shill but I did test out my hypothesis before I said anything. You can look and see how many people are worried about losing their accounts by saying anything about stuff like this and it should not be that way.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
Link them here.
I know for a fact the mod queue has been completely clear on multiple occasions over the last few days.
It's possible, but unlikely. Show me what you got.
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-06-21
Linking them here would put me in violation of several of the rules on the sidebar which puts my access to /r/conspiracy at risk. Even if you say you will not do anything about those rules violations that promise isn't binding on any of the other mods so I literally have nothing to gain by doing so and can only lose in this situation.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
Oh, so you can't back up your bullshit?
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-06-21
Yes I can. However you can't guarantee me protection if I do so the rational think for me to do is not provide the evidence and the rules are setup in such a way that these matters can not be discussed without breaking them.
I do have to ask why you used approached this the way you did instead of actually addressing my points.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
It's tough to address points that are made up.
This is my weekend on the Board and if you'd like to link (or even PM me) the comments that have you all tossed up, I'd be happy to help.
But if you're going to backpedal and still whine, I'll just call bullshit and move on.
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-06-21
Why can't you have an open discussion about this? Are the accusations of my lying and backpedaling really required?
Keep in mind that the rules you enforce prohibit me from giving you the information you request. These very same rules strictly limit my ability to respond to your accusations so what do you expect me to do?
Perhaps this sub needs to have an open thread where ANYTHING can be said and where new accounts are allowed to post?
1 Nogrim6 2018-06-21
you've been on reddit long enough to know there are mods that do shit like this all the time, and a brigade of those TMOR fuckwits who would pounce on this guy so his concerns are not unwarranted.
the fact that you are asking him to post it here publicly makes me question your own motives considering you should know better.
1 asailorssway 2018-06-21
this was enlightening to read, sorry anyone had to be the guinea pig, dude.
1 Da_llluminati 2018-06-21
yeah, no politics on the sub. done. but you won't have that, because the politics bots n shills are half of this sub's userbase.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
How about an open new mod process. As in the complete opposite of how the most recent mods were chosen.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
If amything, we have a few too many mods. Some of them are in varying stages of inactivity, from a few months to more than a year of reddit user activity and a few years of mod inactivity.
Despite this, I think the team we have now is something solid to build on someday, but I don't see us needing anything more than temporary help during the America midterm ramp up.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
I didn’t ask for more mods. I asked for openess in how they were chosen.
Considering this batch being handselected and invited to a private sub that denied other users. It really creates questions and distrust.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
They were nominated by users and vetted by mods who then voted accordingly.
Questions and distrust are what /r/conspiracy is all about, so I am unsure of any actual point you are making.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
The the mod selection was shady. Thats my point. It was shady and not up front at all.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
Well, we have to do things a certain way around here with all the games and shenanigans going on.
The sub has improved in my opinion since some reforms have been put in (and we're not done) and I am happy with where we are going.
You may not like it, but it is working.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
What about the new alts getting approval to post without meeting minimum account age requirements. Or is that not a rule any more?
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
Users are free to ask to be allowed to post and we encourage them to do so. Sometimes people like to separate their Conspiracy accounts from their regular accounts.
Rational and civil requests are responded to in kind.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
See my other comment.
1 firedNoodleSoup 2018-06-21
My only issue with this is that when users do follow the mod advice, browse the new queue, and downvote/report any clear shitposts, suddenly they're accused of brigading.
1 Aceinator 2018-06-21
It won't even allow me to read comments on a thread about reddit admins throttling non official reddit apps on mobile, which it def is! In the last week alone I've never seen load times as long as I've had them, it's getting to be ridiculous
1 lofty_landlubber 2018-06-21
Yeah, no. Conspiracies are political by definition.
NWO globalism is the single greatest conspiracy of all times.
You are just another neoliberal shill who wants to suppress anti-globalist views and opinions.
1 politicalconspiracie 2018-06-21
What would you consider as a politics post or a post that is a conspiracy involving politics?
1 MisterAyy 2018-06-21
One where there isn't a conspiracy and it's just a literal news story that has the intent of pushing an agenda for the posters preferred political party and there's been a good few of them over the last week or two especially. Ofc politics is a big part of most of not all conspiracies but there needs to be a line between the posts that just shill for left/right and the posts that highlight some funky shit going on within a political stage at least thats how I feel about it
1 politicalconspiracie 2018-06-21
Yes I understand that. But I’m looking for more concrete guidelines
1 SkinTicket4 2018-06-21
Yeah but like, I mean, come on
1 Zarathasstra 2018-06-21
This sub was originally created to discuss political content (9/11)
1 WeAreEvolving 2018-06-21
It's starting to feel like r/politics around here.
1 lf11 2018-06-21
I don't think you much time in /r/politics. Some threads get brigaded pretty bad but for the most part this sub is not even close.
1 NoLaNaDeR 2018-06-21
Reddit died when free speech was culled on the day r/coontown and the like were nuked. I dont even agree with the place but a website based on voting and freedom of expression loses itself when even the most egregious opinions are deemed too dangerous to view
1 abirchlyrebird 2018-06-21
Go to voat. Reddit is dead, white man ;)
1 Cras_es_Noster 2018-06-21
How can you separate politics from conspiracies?
1 Zafocaine 2018-06-21
You can't. This narrative is obviously trying to neuter the sub. Watch the users who make suggestions like this closely.
1 lf11 2018-06-21
You can't. But a "conspiracy theory" being pushed by a mainstream political apparatus is not a conspiracy theory.
If the CIA itself is pushing a conspiracy theory, and people here accept it as truth and want to discuss it here, something is terribly, terribly wrong.
1 Cras_es_Noster 2018-06-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith-Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/nulr/vol109/iss2/7/
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2017/01/01/fake-news-and-how-the-washington-post-rewrote-its-story-on-russian-hacking-of-the-power-grid/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/
I've got bad news, bud.
1 lf11 2018-06-21
Thank you, I am aware. I was attempting to be a little bit tactful.
Gone are the days on /r/conspiracy where it can be assumed that the majority of your readers understand that (a) the CIA is deeply involved in domestic politics and (b) the CIA is not the "good guy" in this or any story.
1 procgen 2018-06-21
There are no good guys, and there are no bad guys. There is only power.
1 lf11 2018-06-21
I used to believe that and then I met bad guys. Guess what? There are good guys and bad guys (but most people are kinda gray and flat and somewhere in the middle).
1 SixVISix 2018-06-21
By censoring. We're building up to a politics blackout in 2020 so crimes such as those perpetrated by Bush or DNC can't be exposed.
1 GiganticNipples 2018-06-21
Yeah let's just talk about the DNC and Bush instead of the current administration!
1 CivilianConsumer 2018-06-21
That's cool I can handle political and non-political conspiracies. I can multitask, no need to anyone to censor my feed, myself included. RIP Prodigy
1 Occams-shaving-cream 2018-06-21
Important to remember:
Irony and sarcasm defeat bots there was a long post about this somewhere from a guy who programs deep learning algorithms.
Whatever you do avoid marking it with /s or any indication, better yet, use /s and “jk” in the wrong part
Those are the only ways that they are trying to train sarcasm.
Memes are especially easy to “hack”
1 Zafocaine 2018-06-21
This place is totally fucked. Even mentioning that this sub is compromised gets your comment/ post deleted regardless of how true or upvoted it is.
I understand that the political talk gets old, but it could easily be argued that there's no such thing as non-political conspiracy. Be the change we want, and if we want paranormal talk, then let's go repopulate the r/paranormal sub and be that change we keep hearing about. Don't try morphing this sub into something other than conspiracy, or I'm going to start smelling a conspiracy.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
...like half the comments in this thread?
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
Nice how you let all the ones here stay so that you can use them as an example of benevolence. But any where else. Gone, then mutes, then bans.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
Yeah. Sure. Yep.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
Great response. Thats the wonderful attitude that really helps out in this sub....
That doesnt endear anyone to the team and that doesnt make anyone think you are receptive to the community
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
Well, when I call out a user on their bullshit, and then you chime in with
Without proving any of your claims (or OPs) I'll give you just as much consideration to you as you give to proving any points.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
Im sorry i did t see you ask for any proof. Great snark though keep it up. Does wonders for earning respect.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
...this thread was my proof.
Where's yours?
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
In mine and others removed comments.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
...I just went back and didn't see anything removed from you for at least a week.
How far back do I have to go?
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
Well last week i reported a post and I was immediately muted.
The post violated two different sub rules. When i reported i was immediately muted by axlotl. Thats the most recent example.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
https://snag.gy/QwTl2k.jpg
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
How is this Rule 12?
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
Selfpost with zero content
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
That link goes to an image post.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
That is an image of the mute message. Which you said you couldnt find.
And no one is calling me out there except for the guy downvoted to NEGATIVE 35.
Whats interesting is think the extremely downvoted comment is the best example to point too...
But we have drifted and i dont want to violate any sub rules by going too far off topic in a thread or saying anything thag could be considered “attacking the sub, users, or moderation team”
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
Nope. Anove you said you had comments removed. This is not the case.
The link that is in your screenshot points to an image post. Rule 12 need not apply. In that thread, another user told you this (I just linked to it) and you obviously didn't comprehend it then (Because you still don't).
What? The bullshit comment that is [deleted]? Why is that the best example? What are you even talking about?
Exactly. Your BS is called out, again, and it seems all you're here for is to shit on the sub and it's mods and now that you have been confronted on your BS you are trying to walk it back.
You are not as clever as you think.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
Look partner. I think there is a misunderstanding. The user talking about rule twelve misunderstood the subject title of that mail. You can ask em. Ill even ask em and provide you context further if you prefer.
im not looking to become some pariah here. I enjoye dthe sub before it got so politicized to one side.
You are being unnecessarily aggressive here.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-06-21
You've had a mod ear and eye all night and chose to waste it.
Complaining about getting a mute 5 days ago after innapropriately flagging a post as Rule 12 (instead of just using the report function), after already being told by other users that you are incorrect, is how you chose to justify throwing shade at the sub and modteam.
Remember that.
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
Again, there was only one user who questioned that. The significant majority supported my comment. The user you are citing is not saying what you are choosing to believe. I talked to that user.
You have t addressed my original or ongoing point at all which was openness in how the mods were selected and ongoing actions regarding questioning it or discussing it.
I can see though that you have decided something about me already and you will refuse to just have a discussion about my original point.
1 SixVISix 2018-06-21
So now we advocate censoring of topics. I can't wait to see the less than 1 year old accounts telling us how they miss the old days. Fucking hell.
1 Redchevron 2018-06-21
How is voting on content censorship?
1 of_mendez 2018-06-21
Dont be dummb, if the conspiracies are mostly about everybody in power, we must keep this board open, this is blatant censorship
1 LLENNchan 2018-06-21
Unless you're willing to go full UFO, most conspiracies involve politicians or people in the top echelon of power.
1 m010101 2018-06-21
I have no clue what you’re on about (in the sense of queuing on Reddit), yet it’s refreshing to see a group of people waiting for something in an orderly fashion to be referred to as a “queue”, not a “line”. The world does not revolve around the US. Which unfortunately jumps at you when you skim this subreddit.
1 AFuckYou 2018-06-21
Went to new. Nothing but politics.
1 Orangutan 2018-06-21
How Reddit Was Destroyed
Share Blue, Correct the Record,...
Eglin Air Force Base
I will never forget watching Reddit go overnight from being pro-Bernie Sanders to pro-Hillary Clinton, it was one of the most inorganic and unnatural online social experiences I have ever witnessed.
Reminder: More than 90% of the US Media is controlled by just 6 companies. Having control of these means you could pretty much control the entire 'democracy'
1 Warden_de_Dios 2018-06-21
Trump & Epstein lawsuit alleging rape.
Smells like censorship when stories about Trump and Epstien start leaking the rules change
1 Nogrim6 2018-06-21
a 2 year old lawsuit?
1 Lord_Eizo 2018-06-21
Here’s a thought
Remove the voting algorithm from political threads
1 fght 2018-06-21
But I want other people to decide what I read.
1 OB1_kenobi 2018-06-21
You learn something new everyday.
Now I'm wondering about why the algorithm is set up this way. Also wondering if the algorithm is set up so that downvotes in the new column have more weight too. why?
Because that would make it ever so easy for a 5 man shill team to boost or zap incoming posts before those posts ever make it from "new" to the front page of the sub.
1 winksup 2018-06-21
So are submission statements supposed to be completely pointless? because i can point out like 5 i've seen in the past hour that, along with their entire post and articles submitted, have next to nothing to do with actual conspiracy and are simply political posts that want to do nothing other than bash liberals.
1 eugene-p23v 2018-06-21
I always blame the user when my software doesn't work right.
1 Riggedit 2018-06-21
But, all the best current conspiracies are definitely politics related
Take the recent OIG report, the removal of Peter Strzok & his recent subpoena.
Almost like, something big is coming and the mainstream media cannot get us to look away fast enough.
I'm done looking away.
1 Nogrim6 2018-06-21
i fail to see how this will or would work, when the same people could just manipulate the new queue the same way...
i mean i guess its good at least the mods have some faith this place is going to survive...
1 SouthernJeb 2018-06-21
I didn’t ask for more mods. I asked for openess in how they were chosen.
Considering this batch being handselected and invited to a private sub that denied other users. It really creates questions and distrust.