Independent labs fabricate vaccines based on the standards regulated by the CDC. Learn your shit before you try to make stuff up. Oh so edgy...

Yeah isn’t the CDC a government entity? No doubt they heavily influence the vaccine/pharma industry.

http://www.truthwiki.org/cdc-centers-for-disease-control-and-prevention/

private corp?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention

a USA Federal Agency...

a what now,....

Preceding its founding, organizations with global influence in malaria control were the Malaria Commission of the League of Nations and the Rockefeller Foundation.[6]

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For-profit USA Federal Agency

You need to think critically and question the info you are getting. This site, on mobile at least, looms very unreliable and seems to be more of a blog than much else. Who is posting these articles? What are their credentials? Is it one person, a group of select people or can almost anyone submit info there? What is their mission statement? I see no way to fulfill this questions on that site, so I simply do not trust much of anything they say.

I'm being genuine here: always asks these mind of questions when being introduced to any form of educational information. This includes (especially includes, even) things like school textbooks and the like.

The revolving door.

Or visa versa.

shit

what you said and what he said can still both be true... just so you know... learn your shit too if you want other people to smell your shit

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Cool face but I don't know if you my joke or not Seemed to fly passed everyone's face faster than melting steel.

How does this post have so many upvotes? That’s the real conspiracy here..

Cringeload has returned I see

251 points hmmm a pattern

Does summer reddit hit here too

What happened to RFK, wasn't Trump going to let him study the effects of the vaccine schedule on children?

Trump's youngest son was damaged by vaccines, that's how trump found out about the dangers of them

Lol yeah and then Israel turned the hand up his ass and made him do something else.

As if Israel cares about vaccines. The one who changed trump's mind about that was Bill Gates

Didn't know Trump has a spot on medical trial ethics boards.

May Robert F Kennedy live long and keep talking.

I don't see him ever getting a chance to collect that social security.

Sounds like that series "The Rain"

Money laundering of the ethnic powerclass namely descendants of The Kid, that's the one, call his name Shem the descendant of a country where the blood flows and give him a pen

Who cares if vaccines are toxic or not? It's rather irrelevant. They say power is even more toxic but they act like they are of the kind to lose wars. A pig wouldn't be caught dead in any other clothing but they also eat tons of pork so that's where I'd draw my curvastic undulation on the tablet and splice myself Thai

Guys... it's broke again.

Yung houng and destinated for fame tell them other people they lawyers broke and my money runnin the game

Fair enough, canuck zigbee irradiates the home chicks while the Big Snafu carries on, eh?

I'm not actually thigh length

We need to go deeper!

Sloppy dogs find pancakes but only if rothschild shavings are made to order by relevant media in the edge of night.

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lol

Shitty AI?

So many "agencies of authority" are nothing more than a crock of shit.

Might as well add FBI and CIA to that list.

NSA

i heard a theory a while ago that the CDC was about to go under/get phased out at one point, and all of a sudden the HIV/AIDS epidemic appeared. then they got a massive burst of funding. also, i've never personally witnessed this, but i have been told that there's a correlation between people taking AIDS/HIV medications, and then getting sicker and dying. this was too big for me to look into... I was just wondering if anyone else has heard of this.

Same thing with autism. I’m not an anti-vaccine person, but one of the authors of the study that is cited as THE definitive research finding no link between the current MMR (a CDC program) shot and the occurrence of autism blew the whistle on the CDC. He came out a few years ago claiming that the data were manipulated intentionally by the CDC scientists who authored the study, himself included. They know that 12-36 months is the most dangerous time to give kids the shot, and STILL recommend it at 12 months or so. Pretty crazy shit.

and we can thank the anti-vaxxers for making this entire topic verboten.

No doubt. It’s become a battle against vaccines across the board instead of the one, at least, that is known to be risky.

I think the "deny deny no matter what" strategy is modeled after Big Tobacco. When an industry finds out a product is causing widespread public harm, it can either admit and pay up, or deny and cover up. If vaccines are found to cause harm -- especially neurodegenerative diseases -- the liability could be astronomical.

that the CDC was about to go under/get phased out at one point

That was the year that we cured all diseases, was it?

If they did away with the CDC, we would be a hell of a lot closer.

yep!

Atlas Shugged. Need to sway opinion? Create an institute.

The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health.

The fuck are you talking about?

No u

Gottem

Ur mom gay

Where’s his gold?

Conflict of interest..?

An industry capture agency

Conflict of interest? I thought the specific interest of the CENTER for DISEASE CONTROL was to control diseas?

It's to sell disease, then turn around and sell the cure, through their sponsoring pharmaceutical companies.

So like... what is worse than polio and smallpox that vaccines are doing?

Muh autisms

Neither of them were eradicated by vaccines. Smallpox went away on its own as we learned about sanitation, dressing wounds, and that drinking our own shitwater was bad. It only lingered on as long as it did, because of the vaccines, ironically.

Polio was never eradicated. It was overdiagnosed in the first place, then renamed conveniently after the vaccine came out. It was renamed to guillain-barre, transverse myelitis, and meningitis. The diagnosis protocols were also changed after the vaccine was introduced, to make diagnosing cases of polio almost impossible.

The history and timeline of the polio "epidemic", its vaccine, and "eradication" reveal that the vaccine industry is completely and utterly fraudulent.

How many people do you know with smallpox?

Yyyea, it's a legal term. They're in charge of regulating vaccines, but also create them. Do they regulate their own vaccines? How do you have twelve upvotes? These are the real questions.

For-Profit Federal Agency

We're talking about the fact that these government agencies are not for the people. They are private corporately owned evil enterprises pushing poison off as vaccines, forcing these vaccines on people drawing the money that they charge you for these procedures from your tax money. This is why we have the most expensive Health Care industry in the freaking world. Corruption like this, exactly like this, is always the answer. I guarantee the CDC is owned and controlled by those in the luciferian elite circles more than likely Satanist as well. So they use these "vaccines"to poison the people, charging it to tax dollars, they end up coming in sick to the hospital because you've given them 50 vaccines by the time they're 2 years old and our bodies and minds breaks down because of that, on top of all the chemicals they spray in the sky, in the water, in the food. Which brings the masses into the hospital where everything is charged to your tax dollars. So instead of building a beautiful country where everyone works together United to create an amazing Utopia. We allow Satanist to poison us and steal our money two poisonous in her to some more. The only safety and Truth in this life is found in Jesus Christ, who is God manifest in the flesh, and is now the Spirit working and advocating on His People's behalf. God bless you for reading.

Lol

Fentanyl. Not even once.

Ho-ly shit. I just went through that guy’s history. That guy is one certified, bat crap crazy loonie. Un-freaking-believable. I’m at a loss for words. Never thought I’d see someone like this who ISN’T trolling.

I love fentanyl personally...

There are no words to describe how utterly absurd you sound.

Here then this will sounds utterly insane to you as well. Your words and ways fall directly into what God has said in His Holy Word. He has blinded you because you refuse to recognize or praise God. He has shut your ears and put you and people like you into derision

Pslams 2: 1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lordshall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Honest question:

Does that seem like too easy of an explanation that you can throw at anyone who disagrees with you on any topic? Can you think of a situation that reply wouldn't 'work against' in your mind?

No it doesn't apply to everyone who disagrees with me on a topic, but it does apply to the increasingly large crowd of people which seem to include you and the guy above you whom instead of answering a question are opening the debate immediately jump to attacking the person for their ideas I have found that everyone or at least most people who operate in this manner are working with the same Spirit weather knowingly or unknowingly. So no I don't use that specific quote often but it came up there. The interesting thing is I'm reading Hebrews 5:5 completely unrelated to this conversation yet I realized that one of the quotes related directly back to that Psalm quote I gave you. These are little signs that God gives me through the day. The CDC is covering up the poisoning of Americans for profit. Men and women who I love to protect, and the only response I get from the people is that I'm crazy... That reply would not work against the people who believe in Christ obviously that's the easier answer. It also would not be used by me on anyone who is honestly searching for the truth, for there is a great likelihood that they are being called by God out of this Darkness. I thank you for this question because it seems honest and straightforward and refrained from calling me any names.

I thoroughly enjoy reading your comments, especially the scriptures.

Thank you. That makes all the difference in the world. I'm trying to take on the challenge in the mission that the Bible has given me 100%. It is difficult and challenging but oh so rewarding. Every day God gives me little signs a little coincidences AR points me to one thing that leads to another. And sometimes he allows miracles to happen in front of me. God is good and knowing him is more than enough reward but he keeps giving me more. I am working on my sanctification and I've noticed that helping other people overcome or realize their shortcomings helps me on my own Journey in many ways. God bless you and guide you. Thank you 😊

A Christian in the US army who thinks he protects people. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

It sure does. Because I did trauma surgery and saved lives. It also opened my eyes to the evil that was going on around me... Good try though...

Honest questions:

Does that seem like too easy of an explanation that you can throw at anyone who disagrees with you on any topic?

Can you think of a situation that reply wouldn't 'work against' in your mind?

Yes it is an easy explanation to toss out. It doesn't work very often against reasoned replies.

Yes, countless situations. It never works against someone who is using evidence to argue their point. As opposed to relying on an ancient collection of books that have been through countless translations.

i saved your comment so I can use it when i don't have anything of substance to retort with

Do you have any suggestions of how to retort with substance there? It's a biblical quote that basically says 'well...my God already said you'd say that he wasn't real!'

insane confirmed.

Yo schizophrenia is no joke man hit your doctor up.

I dont believe in god

Now give me definition, non religious proof of your previous claims.

No I'll pass, that's a waste of my time, I spend my time reaching out to people who actually want it to or researching things way more in-depth than this. Things that you won't even be able to possibly understand the beginning of. why don't you start at the Bible and start out by praying and asking God to open your eyes seek and you shall find, ask and it shall be given you, knock and will be opened unto you. if you knew and understood the great corruption in the evilness within the entirety of our government and be easy to see the lies for what they are. But for some reason you defend these multibillion-dollar National companies for what reason? How would you answer me who you are and why you defend their government and its private corporate entities. I don't have time for grammar, I have time to get the point across. Get to something worth while wouldn't you?

Why does this Lord guy "declare and decree"? Isn't that kinda redundaddunt?

Fag

I think this is the first Russian troll/bot I've ever identified on the internet. Today has become an interesting day after having done absolutely nothing yet.

Nope, Russian trolls don't work like that.

They want to sound rational, not crazy. They're trying to convince people to join their side, not make their side sound insane. Google some of the examples of how Russian troll operate, its nothing like that, its much more subtle.

A good example would be, "I'm a black woman and a democrat and a life long liberal, but trump sounds pretty alright to me in many ways! Why do we hate him anyways? Because the media told us to? I have been a democrat my whole life, now I am going to vote for trump in 2020." or something similar.

Russian trolls aren't dumb and crazy, they don't want to push people away, they want to draw them in.

I think it's pretty irresponsible of you to decide matter of fact-ly how these Russian trolls operate. The truth is we will probably never know how they operate. You could be a Russian troll, as could I

I am literally originally from the ussr, and am half Russian ethnically.

But not a troll hahah

I think they did identify some so we know how those ones operate, so you're not wrong to my knowledge

Right, there’s been reports where we have identified thousands of them before. It’s not like we are completely ignorant to them

That's exactly what a Russian Trol would say......

Da it is me putin

You are posting copied replies in the EXACT same manner of how you say bots are...

“Nope, that’s not how bots work” “Nope, that’s not how bots work”

Nope, Russian trolls don't work like that.

They want to sound rational, not crazy. They're trying to convince people to join their side, not make their side sound insane. Google some of the examples of how Russian troll operate, its nothing like that, its much more subtle.

A good example would be, "I'm a black woman and a democrat and a life long liberal, but trump sounds pretty alright to me in many ways! Why do we hate him anyways? Because the media told us to? I have been a democrat my whole life, now I am going to vote for trump in 2020." or something similar.

Russian trolls aren't dumb and crazy, they don't want to push people away, they want to draw them in.

So how do Russian bots work?

I mean we don’t have a real idea of how they ALL work, but we have exposed some of their systems and got an idea based on that. The problem is that they likely have different bots doing different things towards different demographics, so I doubt there is a solid ‘one’ way that the bots work.

This seems like something Russian bot would say...

Fuck you got me

Are you Russian?

My father was, my mother was iranian. I was born in the azerbaijan ssr

I think they did identify some so we know how those ones operate, so you're not wrong to my knowledge

Holy shit that first sentence.

The first sentence and the last two sentences were all I read and all I needed to read!

There's tons of down votes though .

Poisoned trees produce poisoned fruit

I feel sorry for you having to live in your brain. That really sounds like a miserable world to live in.

100% Russian paid troll.

Glad I'm not the only one thinking this. Even if they aren't it's a coping mechanism for my brain to understand how something like this could possibly exist and be arrived at in some organic fashion. And sadly they'll never the the mental help they need (if it's real) because it's the Satanist elite poisoning their mind to make them complacent.

I really wish there was a "this person needs help" button online.

We have SPAM or block, but no way to prevent this guy from harming others in his quest to stop an invisible book demon. Maddening.

With a name like the invisible ones it is quite funny and hypocritical that you would Judge Me based on my knowledge of the Hidden ones. Who are you to judge? Who were you to think you know anything of anything. You sound like a neanderthal. do you exalt yourself above God, the one who created everything that you see. Are you comfortable in mocking him? You and your friends spirit line up exactly with what the Bible says in that men will be Vain and full of themselves and will seek to crush Godly men and hide their knowledge so they can continue on in their evil and perverse ways. The fact that you want to Outlaw my knowledge and my ways and force me into a mental institution or to take your worthless drugs proves the point to me. And it will help prove these points and many others to many other people who see through your worthless lies. You can try to confuse someone else child but you will not confound me. The Lord Jesus Christ rebuke the spirits who are working through you and remove their power and rewards from your life. May God set many stumbling blocks before all who mock Him and His people, including you, so that you can slow down and see your folly before your destruction. Lord help us.

The crazies are out today eh

They sure are. In Force and Power.

We don’t know anything? At least we know that your so-called god is not real.

I know it's probably stupid to bother asking because you don't seem in the mood to answer things directly, but I have a few questions in regards to your first post that first require some setup. I assume that your parents did not have the information that you have access to with the internet. If that were the case I assume that you are a person who has had the "50 vaccines by the time they're 2 years old and our bodies and minds breaks down because of that". Given that,

1) How could we possibly believe that what you're saying isn't from a broken mind? If we assume that statement to be true, you have a broken mind and that is likely the cause of this rant. If we assume that statement to be false, then you are a crazy person who is off the deep end. Either one of those assumptions leads to the logical conclusion that we should not believe anything you say.

2) If we have had this done to us by parents who were not enlightened as you are, how is god to punish us? If my mind is broken by satanists and I do not have the capacity to understand god or his grace because of this, how am I punished by this deity that supposedly has grace? You imply that these vaccinations break us to the point where we are mindless masses that cannot do anything but blindly follow these satanists. If we literally cannot follow god's way, and it was our parents and the satanists that did this, don't they get punished while we, at worst, are stuck in a purgatory? I'm just not following the story here on you telling people they need to face god's judgment and wrath while at the same time making an implication that they cannot know any better.

Those are two very good questions, and I thank you for asking them. The best way that I know how to answer is through what I have gathered from the word of God which is the Bible. It states that all men will be tried by the adversary, who is the devil, who roams about as a lion seeking whom he may devour. it is the devil's job to break your mind, to feed you poisons, to make you think that you cannot overcome. The Divide comes once the choice comes, once the word of God comes and touches inside your soul and lights off an infinitude of questions. God does not allow you to be hurt in your ignorance, he is the possessor of your soul and there is no pain on Earth that heaven cannot heal. But once you are an adult, and know that there is a Creator and purposely decide not to seek after him he allows your mind to be confounded. There is scripture, Apocrypha, which states that Apostle Paul was forced to drink poison in front of a multitude of people, and nothing happened to him because of his faith in God Jesus Christ. however the king forced one of his servants to drink just a drop of this poison and he fell down writhing in pain and died from it. The Creator is the only one who can allow pain to come to you, for damage to happen to you. It is the work of the devil to destroy the things of God, but he has no power unless we give way to the devil. For instance You can only get an STD from sex outside bounds of God. When I realized but God was real I asked him to protect me and to give me more knowledge and he continuously answers those prayers, and he and mighty and miraculous ways answers the multitude of prayers that I've made since that day back in 2015. I did not mean to get into the more Rough Side of Things, I was only meaning to be rough or mean about the government's involvement in stealing our tax monies to feed us poisons which send us to the hospital's which allow them to steal even more tax money for us. When you research all these systems the corruption and theft of money is so unreal that it alone will lead you to knowledge of the devil, that's without researching all the satanic Cults in the history of child sacrifice since the beginning of written human history and so on and so forth. I am not a crazy man, the truth is Stranger Than Fiction and God has made it so, so that it takes faith, a strong faith in God to come to understand the world and the plans in the Prophecies of the Ving who created the infinitude of this universe. Do I sound like one who is insane, or without a brain? Do I sound like someone who you should allow your government to force psychological drugs onto and put into a mental institution to change my thoughts so that he might try to break my spirit and take God from me? This is what these trolls continuously push, that my ideas are dangerous, that I should be force-fed pills to change my mind and shoved in a mental institution where no one can Hear My Cries or screams as they try to rape the mind of the innocent.... Is that not strange enough? That they are all of one mind when you really get down into it. The hive mind... I've studied mysteries for quite a while and in depth. Please ask away. God bless you and guide you and show you signs of His existence and purpose for you. For the time is shortly coming where people like me will be removed forcibly from the people who do not know God, and that is when the end will surely come fast. As it written. Even so, come Lord Jesus.

“For instance, you can only get an STD from sex outside bounds of god.”

Yeah you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, you need help.

“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven." – Matthew 6:1

God stuff aside, care to back up any of the claims about this plane that you've made in your OP? No? Didn't think so.

Real conspiracy: Calling every idiot commenting on internet a russian, just because of clear propaganda.

He's made <10 comments, all about America beating Satan, and how Trump is God. He's crazy or paid crazy.

So... Russian?

Aayyyyyyyyyy

I never ever ever called any man God. God is Jesus Christ. God is the Holy Spirit. God is the Father in heaven. That's it. Period. God uses man not the other way around. Trump is far from being God, he is being used by God. Keep studying into me. I am an intelligence agent. For the highest source in existence. Far from Russia and the U.S. I am given Divine knowledge to reach out to the humble, innocent, and questioning souls who do not exhault themselves above God. Those who are righteous to themselves will get what they have asked for. There's no division between whites or blacks Russians or Americans. Only those who are for Christ our against Him. Choose ye this day whom ye shall serve.

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged." – Matthew 7:1

Nope, Russian trolls don't work like that.

They want to sound rational, not crazy. They're trying to convince people to join their side, not make their side sound insane. Google some of the examples of how Russian troll operate, its nothing like that, its much more subtle.

A good example would be, "I'm a democrat and a life long liberal, but trump sounds pretty alright to me in many ways!" or something similar.

I like this thinking and I hope it is true.

But that means this person genuinely believes these thoughts, which is much scarier!

I don't know where to even start when it comes to correcting you with facts. Straight facts that can be concretely proven, and onto things like basic economics. If I tried refuting you, I'd lierally have to go sentence by sentence. And I won t do that since you MUST be a troll account to make fun of conspiracy theorist by flanderizing.

Also, format your paragraphs.

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You're on /r/conspiracy babbling about how deeply brainwashed you are by one of the original and biggest conspiracies. Good luck to you.

So God is a conspiracy huh? And it's geniuses like you who would try to have the world believe that all of this beautiful and perfect order of the universe came from a ball of nothing. A void-void. No blackness, no vacuum, simply non existence. Your so ignorant that you refuse to see the story play out in front of your eyes. the odds for any single one of the steps that It would take to make a universe and all the perfect order and the perfect temperatures and the perfect creation of molecules that self-replicate. one of those single steps in the infinitude of steps that it took to get where we are, the odds for one of those steps happening without a Creator, are greater than you trying to find one atom on the first time hidden at random in the boundless space of this universe on the first shot. Then do it again then again then again. IMPOSSIBLE, BLASPHEMY.

Pslams 19:1The heavens declare the glory of God;     the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech;     night after night they reveal knowledge. 3 They have no speech, they use no words;     no sound is heard from them. 4 Yet their voice[b] goes out into all the earth,     their words to the ends of the world.

Romans 1:19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.21For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools,23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them up in the desires of their hearts to impurity for the dishonoring of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise! Amen.

26For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28Furthermore, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, He gave them up to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and hatred. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents. 31They are senseless, faithless, heartless, merciless.

32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them

You should read more books besides the story book you like to cite. Atheists don't argue that the universe came from nothing. It's simply that the evidence suggests it began with an explosion and we don't know what was before that yet (or maybe it's impossible to ever know).

Life is but a fraction the age of our planet, and our planet likely relatively young compared to the age of the universe. These infinitesimally small odds you speak of become inevitabilities on such time scales. And given the size of the universe as we know it and the odds likewise, it's unlikely we're the only ones who made it this far. There's little reason to believe there's anything special about humans or life on our planet in general.

I'm on my phone so it's a bit tiresome to address all the ways your arguments are flawed. If you aren't blind to reason and haven't already blocked me I'd be happy to continue this discussion when I'm at a computer.

oh dear

God is a pathetic fictional character that's scared of his own "creation". If you want to read the bible as a self help book that's fine, but don't try to push your fairy tale on other people

Hypocrite, pushing your atheistic garbage on me and this forum. Your a robot or a fool.

How am I a hypocrite? I litteraly said you're free to read the bible lol.

Telling me not to spread Fairytales to other people, while you do exactly that, push your atheistic fairy tales of the non-existence of God which takes more gerrymandering and "religion and ignorance to actually believe in. So are you a fool or a bot?

I'm neither, but as for you I'm not so sure. I didn't push atheism on you, I can see that would be futile since you're to brainwashed to even attempt to challenge your own views.

The ramblings of a dangerously obsessive Christian who took too much acid and talked to god.

Wow, once again, all that your type has is name calling. And once again your type points and directs society to consider Christians as dangerous, obsessive, and to lock them in med wards and force psych meds on them... Your behavior and attitudes are abhorrent and filthy. Your righteousness is inverted. I do not take acid. I do however commune and talk with God. I pray to Him and He answers me in His Word, The Holy Bible. He also answers me by signs and coincidences beyond mere chance every single day. He also answers me through answered prayer. You are missing out on fellowshipping with the God who created everything... What do you get in return? The temporary ability to mock God, and act higher than Him? When your spirit gets called before that Almighty Being, what will you say? You are being ignorance, you have chosen to disobey God and preach that He is non existent. How utterly insane. Your hatred of God and His people will get you no where in the end Mr Mayer.... Seek His face today while He may be found. Tomorrow is not guaranteed.

God is dead and your nonsensical ramblings won’t convince anyone otherwise.

Move on.

You need help, man.

You’ve been replying to bots.

They’re responses are triggered by key words.

Reread some of these comments and see how two users copied and pasted more than two different scripts.

Thank you. I've felt for a time that all of social media is inundated by A.I. anti Christ bots... God bless you. I'm newer to Reddit and can hardly navigate. Matter of fact I got banned from a forum for using the Bible as a resource. They told me I need mental help and psych drugs.... Interesting that these bots continuously go there. That reveals a part of their plan... God bless you and guide you kind sir.

It is most effective to use secular sources backed up by research and massive data. If you want to use spirituality as a source you'll need to bone up on occult theory, theosophy, Gnosticism, Satanism, Luciferian Christianity, Islam, and quite a bit of essoterica. By the time you get THAT close to god the meanderings of humans will mean nothing to you.

Am I a bot then?

Look I’m not saying the army guy isn’t a bit extreme... but go look back at the responses and notice what I’m talking about. I responded to one and I guess my wording triggered them to paste the same “nope, Russian bots don’t work like that. They want to be seen as normal”. Response

It’s a conspiracy for sure

No you're a soros shill sent in to ask if you're a bit. Go cash your shareblue check.

Damn ya got me. I'm such a shill I haven't even been to America. If all you say to me is call me a soros shill(I have no idea who that guy is BTW), then I have already won.

I’m not a bot, thanks for trying though.

You may not be a bot, but three other accounts are and it’s very clear of that.

Dude you're getting shipped by Erica bots written up by the feds, supplanted by the soros army. Fighting them is pointless. I don't even respond to them when they hit me by the hundreds like this.

But by the will of God, they still work in His favor and mine. By extending my argument and drawing out my points, they lost and my point was made. But they doubly lost when it became evident they were bots, engineered with specific antiGod debate patterns. Gives the skrptic more reason to believe

You believe in a man made imaginary god that's equivalent to Santa Claus.

Amazing how much this is downvoted.

Hail Satan!

There it is folks. Perfect example of a shrieking hill comment. Obvious over-inflated vote count with perfectly crafted message to turn you away from this factual conspiracy.

The fuck are you even talking about? What evidence do you have for the 1 liner topic?

factual conspiracy

Source?

Thank you for bringing rational critical thinking.

Stating a basic fact really shouldn't be considered critical thinking

Its reddit... Sometimes you would be surprised.

The fact that they make billions off of vaccines they also regulate?

Yeah, conflict of interest much? smh

Regulatory Capture. The pharma companies have all conspired to take control of the CDC, and now it's just the public relations branch of the pharma industry.

Of course the have. Just like how Monsanto has taken over the Dept. of Agriculture. These organizations are supposed to be in place to protect the people. Instead, they serve the corporations who co-opted them. They only care about what will make them the most money, regardless of the effect on the public's overall health and well being.

It’s more like an actor wearing a white coat in a TV commercial, to make the propaganda appear legitimate.

The FDA regulates the testing and sale of drugs. The CDC is more research-oriented.

It’s a federal agency under the department of health, to make and sell vaccines.

So the fuck what? That doesn't nigate OP one bit

Negate

Wonder who guided this propaganda. Fucking shill.

So we pay for their funding with our taxes, then pay them more money for the stuff they created with our money?

So where is this information coming from? Is this what you've gathered from the 1-line topic with no source?

482 points, the CDC shill brigade is strong with this one.

Entire U.S is private company.

You know that the anti-vaccine movement was started by Big Pharm, right?

Vaccines are expensive for them, with poor profit margins. They want you to stop taking vaccines so that they can start pushing their more profitable pills/treatments. Seriously, where do you think all the massive funds originally came from to fund the first anti-vaccine research?

Big Pharm wants better profits. It wants you sick, but manageable.

Bwahahahaha

I mean it could also be pushed by the thousands and thousands of people injured by vaccines

Its just so frustrating that so many so-called scientists refuses to hear facts like yours!

What auto-immune injury? What doctors have you seen about it? What vaccine caused it?

Since I was a kid I’d get strep and sometimes pneumonia once or twice a year.. I haven’t had either in over 5 years (knock on wood) and I haven’t gotten vaccinated in about that time.

Just sayin’

That's one impressive anecdotal statistical sample of one.

Have you looked into the Vaers database? https://vaers.hhs.gov

Yes I have. What would you like me to see there?

Here's one thing that I found from VAERS: from 2006 to 2012, the number of doses of the MMR administered was 137,420,710, with 26 cases compensated for vaccine injury. That makes the percent of vaccinated people injured approximately 0.00012%.

I'll take that over an inpatient stay quarantined in a hospital with measles.

Correlation does not equal causation you muppet.

I haven’t changed up my lifestyle either in that time. Lol and I’m literally just putting my own personal experience in. To be honest I don’t preach to anyone about getting vaccinated or not because it’s not my place.

That's a load of shit

That's like a dentist telling you brushing your teeth is bad for you so that you'll come to their office when you get a cavity and they can charge you more.

How is it a load of shit when it still makes way more sense than anti-vaccination sentiment?

Anti-vaccinaton sentiment has been caricaturized and made laughable in public perception.

What is the true anti-vaccination sentiment? What do you believe that the reasons for the sharp decline in vaccinable diseases is caused by? Do you think the medical community earns more money by giving children autism than they do by treating plenty of diseases with severe symptoms?

Treat the symptoms, not the cause.

vaccines used to be a money-loser until the flu scares of the late 90s up until today.

Vaccines have always been a business. They've just never been a very good business.

"We were losing money," said Claude Vezeau, former chief executive officer at Montreal-based IAF BioChem International, Canada's largest maker of vaccines in the 1990s. "All vaccines were losing money."

But all of that began to change with the first hint of a pandemic on the other side of the world.

The outbreak of H5N1 in Hong Kong in 1997 was relatively small - just 18 people who handled birds - but six of them died. Such a high death rate drew immediate attention from medical experts around the world. Fears of a much bigger death toll began to percolate at government levels.

This has been solidly debunked: https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/cdc-vaccine-patents-robert-f-kennedy-jr-wrong/#The_TLDR_version

Shhhh this is r/conspiracy. You can be banned for that

Wow this thread really bought you all out huh. Getting that last disinfo kick in before shabbot begins I get it.

Wow this thread really brought all the people still afraid of Jews.

I’m not Jewish. You don’t need to sleep in your moms bed tonight because of the big bad scary Jew.

I comment on here, and post and have been a long time member for the last six years, before this sub turned from bitching about the government hiding info about Aliens to bitching about your Jews and this ops vaccines.

Sorry I don’t just blindly believe non cited quotes like you and that makes me celebrate chabbot (is that a holiday? I went to Lutheran school)

Get bent for editing your post. I can respectfully handle being called a Jew and essentially a disinfo shill, but you editing your comment is about the douchiest thing about you

More like this is the internet, don't act like hyperbole is limited to a single subreddit.

Quick heads up, Skeptjc Raptor is a shill site

Ok why do you say that? I have asked this question various places and no one answers?

It's a shill site because confirmation bias is why.

If confirmation bias makes it a "shill site", does that also apply to websites that are anti-vaccine as well?

No. Being anti-vaccine is an objective assessment. Either you oppose vaccines or you do not.

"Being pro-vaccine is an objective assessment. Either you support vaccination or you do not."

How is that statement any different than yours, but one side can have confirmation bias, while the other can't.

one side can have confirmation bias, while the other can't.

Why would you think this?!

Skeptical Raptor does some good research, but they have their mind made up before they research. It is good for a conversation, but it is definitely one sided.

That's not a problem, just know their biases before reading. The information they bring is still valid, and it's no different than people on this subreddit who already have their mind made up in the other direction.

Same with everyone really. But you need multiple views to get a real picture.

Holy aids batman, do you have a link that doesn't redirect me to cancer filled herpes.

Debunked... just like everything RFK Jr. has ever written

Holy shit that web page has 15 trackers. 15. Does the dude earn a living off being a professional skeptic?

169 points, yet again more brigading.

Counterpoint - RFK Jr is a serious anti-vaxxer/autisum nut and has a long history of making bogus and bunk allegations of conspiracy in relation to vaccines.

He is actually one of the only honest ones willing to risk his life to do this

Counterpoint - RFK Jr is a serious anti-vaxxer/autisum nut and has a long history of making bogus and bunk allegations of conspiracy in relation to vaccines.

For what gain? We know what motivates Big Pharma. Your comment doesn't ring true.

We know what motivates Big Pharma.

The CDC != Big Pharma

For what gain?

Well, for one thing, he rakes in a lot of money off book sales.

List of books:

• Horsemen of the Apocalypse: The Men Who Are Destroying Life on Earth And What it Means for Our Children.

• Framed: Why Michael Skakel Spent Over a Decade in Prison For a Murder He Didn't Commit.

• Let the Science Speak: The Evidence Supporting the Immediate Removal of Mercury–a Known Neurotoxin–from Vaccines.

• How George W. Bush and His Corporate Pals Are Plundering the Country and Highjacking Our Democracy.

• Two Activists Fight to Reclaim Our Environment as a Basic Human Right.

• The Billings Collection

List of articles:

• CDC Knew its Vaccine Program Was Exposing Children to Dangerous Mercury Levels Since 1999

• The Next President's First Task (A Manifesto)

• Was the 2004 Election Stolen?

• Deadly Immunity

And a bunch more that share titles with his books.

Notice a theme? He makes a living off stirring up the fringe and off luring folks with his famous name. *

autisum

56 points, the brigade is waning.

What a weird world you must live in that even the reddit voting system is a conspiracy if it disagrees with you.

So story time: Someone I know apparently went on a date with a girl who created flu vaccines for the CDC. She was kind of crazy and that's why he stopped seeing her, but apparently she disclosed to him the following:

She's young and has only been there a handful of years, but already in one of their vaccines someone had found some fairly obvious mutagens in the vaccine.

I guess how it works in those scenarios is that all the chemists/scientists/whateveryouwannacallem all will one by one review and confirm the finding, and she worked with something like 10 other people who all reviewed and all said that it was fairly obvious and yes it was present.

So they report this to their higher up, that there had been mutagens in the vaccine, and that person said OK. Afterwards some people from even higher up came to that person and told them to approve it for release anyway and they basically were forced to release it for public use.

Apparently this sparked some dialogue among them and a few came forward and said this is not the first time. One of those that came forward, seeing this happen again, started to dig and pry to see how/why/how often this goes on and apparently that person was found dead months later.

She told him never to get the flu vaccine, but that other vaccines are safe and recommended. Crazy stuff.

She was kind of crazy

Really? You don't think that was a cue that she might be making this shit up?

I've never heard reports of the flu vaccine causing cancer.

All vaccines can cause cancer

Through what mechanism? What mutagen?

You act as if we have a firm idea on what causes all cancers when we really don't. She could have been making it up, but id suspect its more along the lines that those types of jobs can attract strange people (or the stress of knowing you're killing people) and she's being genuine.

I remember he said that she said that it's probably going to lead to cancers much later in life, the type of stuff that takes 20 years to develop.

She is misinformed about the other vaccines being safe

mutagen? like from ninja turtles?

Science has become a cult... the entire point of science is noting is set in stone ... vaccines cause autism ... they also help people, fin. This taking absolute sides is real stupid.

But they don't cause autism

Tell that to the parents who’s kid turned autistic immediately after getting vaccines. Back in the day they were fine, now theirs so much shit packed into vaccines for infants .

That’s just not true. Link me a peer reviewed article that backs up this claim. Also, what’s your expertise on the subject? I’m guessing nothing

Lol you’re getting too worked up, I guess it’s not true cause AkWilly said so, case closed folks.

It’s funny how you can’t see the inconsistency in your own thought. You state something, and I ask for proof. You can provide any, and then go on to say that I’m making fact-less claims. I’m also perfectly calm, just trying to educate you and dispel this ignorant train of thought.

cut the holiour than thou attitude. You’re a fool just like me .

Eh. I’m both a medical student and researcher so, while I still have a ton to learn, I’m pretty sure I know more about this subject than you do. Best of luck in your future edification

And your still a dumbass, get a refund on your tuition.

my sister is a doctor and my aunt is a doctor in a hospital. My sister is a nurse. I don’t give a fuck about you being a medical student and researcher LMAO. Most medical students book worms with no practical knowledge.

In other words a book worm with no practice knowledge.

Omg medical student AND researcher? “Edification” WOW!

Dang. Easy there bud, no need for personal attacks. I didn’t mean to make you feel badly about yourself. Also worthy to note that the discussion we’re having is purely academic and “book worm stuff” it has absolutely nothing to do with practical knowledge

I'll take you up on that. Give me the name of one parent that had a child with autism caused by vaccines and I'll be happy to talk to them.

Lol are you one of those MAGA that believes in trans Gary rights and thinks Israel is our best friend ? LMAO

That sentence is all but incomprehensible.

The Jew fears the samurai.

You're actually insane.

I am, and you’re a dumbass. I can live with that.

what the fuck did i just read.

The Donald is a sub run by Jew mods who push gay shit constantly.

Except that vaccines do not cause autism. If you believe that I guess you’re not in the “cult” of the scientifically literate

Monsanto pays for their own scientific studies and publishes them as facts without bias, do you hold big pharma to the same standard?

Lmao that’s why you use federally funded studies that undergo peer review and disclosed COIs. These studies are then replicated by other institutions to confirm or dispute the findings. Pretty much the definition of good science.

Vaccines cause autism. Today’s vaccines have too much shit in them for an infant. Their pumping Mercury and other shit.

The CDC has 36 or 37 patents related to vaccines (can't remember the exact number but it was one of htose). It only licenses one patent related to vaccines through the NIH, for a molecule used in HPV vaccines. NDAs prevent the public from knowing what that the exact compensation is, but it's anywhere between $5.8 million and $118 million annually as per publicly available information on the subject. Not quite $4.6 billion, unless we're talking about over the span of 38.98-793.10 years.

The best anti-vaccine argument I've heard about the CDC is that it is corrupt and essentially acts as a PR agency for companies that make vaccines. In particular for the flu vaccine.

What are you talking about? There's literally nothing to combat. The conspiracy theories make no sense and are based on nothing. You expect scientific studies to disprove nonsense? They probably have a better use for their time.

Funny how you're okay with anti-allergy medicine but vaccines are suddenly a no-go because of some idiot who published a fake study. Both allergy meds and vaccines have an immunological basis, why can you easily accept one but not the other?

Because people are not logically consistent on the whole. Most people generally do not care, have the time, have the resources, to check in depth about every subject so they heavily weigh things they they heard most recently as well as anecdotes because those come from "real people". Trusting things like faceless research papers and such aren't relateable so they don't hold the weight that the data actually should.

I agree. I think we need to make more of an effort to bring communications and science together. We need comms people to use their expertise to help the actual scientists talk about the real-world implications of their work.

People who do the science tend to shy away from the spotlight though. I think that would improve if communications resources were made more readily available to them.

And I cannot believe I'm having this conversation in /r/conspiracy

I browse /r/conspiracy because I think it's interesting to entertain the ideas once in awhile for fun and occasionally there are actually some engaging conversations. I never stick with the ideas because it's so impractical that 1000s of people can stay completely silent and never slip up about a conspiracy that it'd be rediculous to actually believe them, plus I'm an engineer who relies heavily on research so I have a ton of respect for the scientific process. So it leads to weird things like this where I hold a brief conversation with you about the acceptance/disbelief in science and how that feeds conspiracies among others who implicitly believe these things as well.

If you "believe science" you are not being very scientific. Every single study ever conducted can only be discerned for its merit by someone trained and educated in science, and if you aren't, and you haven't, then you have zero reason to "believe" any study. What's more, if the study has not been repeated, it is worth exactly nothing unless a self evidently functional, recreatable technology has been made based on the conclusions of that study. This is why charlatan inventors of perpetual motion devices are not taken seriously, nor is their science.

Even if all that scientific work has been done to verify the authenticity of a scientific experiment, unless you recreated technology based on the conclusion made, you still have to use critical anlysis to arrive at a conclusion tegarding how much trust you ought to place in said science. A judgement call has to be made. Unless you repeat an experiment with your own two hands, or observe an experiment being repeated with your own two eyes, there is a judgement call that has to be made by you, the individual. That is what the philosophy of science makes logicslly clear. It is in no way scientific to "believe science" as you put it. In philosophy we call this "scientism" and it is spreading amongst the uneducated masses.

True, "belief is science" is the wrong way to put it. I mean it in the sense that believing that the process of using the scientific method will lead to better outcomes. Which I specifically use believe because you cannot prove, at least yet, that our scientific method is indeed the best way to reach a conclusion. Our evidence so far says it works, but there are definitely shortcomings in research that need to be addressed so there is some form of belief by every scientist that it is the right path because it has shown to be successful so far.

Or the very easy to notice fact that no one has polio anymore. It's gone. It's gone because of a vaccine that saved millions of lives. That's a pretty solid study on that vaccine since it involves literally billions of cases.

Very true. I don't recall saying all vaccines are bad on a fundamental level that relates to the immunological theory of vaccination itself, though.

Technology proves the scientific method to be efficacious. Science is the ultimate manifestation of the evolution of logic as a rational form of reasoning, the most powerful emination of the logos and the tool of man's dominion over nature.

I'd say it is safe to trust the scientific method.

Excellent point, and very well stated. I'm not interested in belief. I'm interested in knowledge. Isn't that what science is really all about?

There's centuries of philosophical discourse on the nature of belief and knowledge and I have no desire to get into it right now.

You have two serious options for improving the public's trust and understanding of science.

[1] Train everyone as scientists so they know how to analyze studies for proper methodology.

[2] Have independent third parties repeat experiments.

The second one is really fucking hard because well, corruption. Maybe if people crowd funded the effort? Attempting to repeat experiments is the most important part of the scientific method and it rarely happens.

Yup, that's it, just us stupid dumbs dumbs that don't know no science.

I feel like you're really upset at me for something I didn't say. Did I say that vaccines are a no go? I would like to know where I said that please.

You implied that not being vaccinated is preferable over being vaccinated.

I haven't gotten a flu vaccine in like 15 years, and my health is just fine.

You don't need a flu vaccine. Old people and children do.

vaccines might be really bad or it might just be paranoia. Not sure.

Being not sure means you actually believe that vaccines might be really bad. How can you not be sure when the mechanisms for a vaccine is so obvious? What supports your belief that vaccines might be really bad?

Okay, you seem like a kinda angry person. Please don't go off at me.

" What supports your belief that vaccines might be really bad?"

Have you watched the documentary "Vaxxed"? I watched it the other day and I was REALLY surprised at how credible it was. It really makes you think. The CDC do cover up a lot of facts that are "controversial", how can a fact be controversial? Anyways, I'm NOT an anitvaxxer by any means, but I also think that vaccines might be bad. I don't know enough about them to be 100% sure they're safe. I'm not a doctor.

Here's a link if you're interested :) I'm just saying, it's pretty damn interesting.

Are you serious right now. I'm not a doctor but vaccines might be bad despite 100 percent of doctors saying otherwise. We just don't know.

Stop and think about what you're implying before you throw more gas on this total fucking nonsense.

Maybe you should stop and ask yourself why you're so goddamn angry. Relax. You don't have to be a jerk. I'm not.

100 percent of doctors saying otherwise.

See, that's a giant lie. Why do you make up random statistics without doing any research first? I think you should look at all the facts. You're very wrong about 100% of doctors saying it's safe. It's all in the documentry.

"Stop and think about what you're implying "

Lol, what do you think I'm implying? What you should watch an interesting, informative documentry? OH THE HORROR!

You want to know why I'm angry? I'm angry because this kind of stupid shit which, though entirely discredited by rational and peer reviewed sources, continues to be perpetuated by people who, by their own claim, do not know as much as doctors, but are somehow also qualified to be skeptical about something that they have no knowledge or training in instead of listening to the professionals.

Wakefield is a quack. The movie was literally directed by someone who got fucking disbarred for fraudulent research, unethical behavior and just generally making shit up in order to profit monetarily. You want a fucking conspiracy? There it is right in front of you in you're too blinded by what ultimately amounts to a need to feel special to see it.

This isn't some fucking game. Have you even heard of herd immunity? People will literally die because you're perpetuating your stupid fucking ignorance under the guise of hidden knowledge and skepticism. Just stop. Stop now before polio becomes a thing again, because I'm sure your grandchildren will thank you for this shit when they're bound to a fucking wheelchair for the rest of their life you fucking retard

Lol, fucking psycho.

Imgaine going off at someone like this and calling them a "fucking retard" for recommending a documentry. What a crazy, irrational, idiot.

Cry some more. It's pathetic.

What's pathetic is your absolute inability to distinguish between the ramblings of a lunatic and reality and your obsessive need to get off on this power trip fantasy of somehow knowing more than actual scientists who devote their lives to the issues in question. The evidence against a link between Autism and vaccines is overwhelming, and to on one hand claim that one study provides evidence, well ignoring the fact that there are multiple other studies indicating the opposite, proves that you have decided to pick and choose what to believe irregardless of what evidence is presented. If studies actually matter, then why are you choosing to ignore the volume of evidence against your position? Especially when there have been multiple Papers written which explicitly Target and disprove the statements made in the documentary in question?

I won't pretend I wasn't wrong for calling you retarded, and I'm definitely fucking crazy, but you are literally contributing to a problem that is going to result in people dying. And it's not like I care that much anyways because this is the internet and you made me angry

Let me ask you one question. Even if you're right and vaccines cause autism, do you really think that is preferable to fucking polio?

Wow, you are such an intolerable person. Lol. It's like you just want a reason to scream and cry for no reason. How sad.

your obsessive need to get off on this power trip fantasy of somehow knowing more than actual scientists who devote their lives to the issues in question.

Ummmmm I said I'm not a doctor, therefore I don't know. That's my entire point, but you're too busy having a hissy fit to actually read what I'm saying. Lol. "Obsessive"? I watched a documentary so now I'm "obsessive", lol wtf. You're such a psycho.

You're the one screaming about how you know everything about vaccines and they're all 100% safe without a doubt in your mind at all. All I'm saying is I DON'T know that. You're trying to act like an expert on vaccines, it's hilarious. You're the one trying to act high and mighty, claiming you know ALL the facts. I'm saying I don't know all the facts. THAT'S ALL. So calm your fucking tits.

"Especially when there have been multiple Papers written which explicitly Target and disprove the statements made in the documentary in question?"

Maybe you should calmly, rationally link them. Or you could just rant about how ANGRY YOU ARE!! Either way. Up to you.

" but you are literally contributing to a problem that is going to result in people dying"

LOL HOW?!?!?! What the actual fuck is WRONG WITH YOU?! I'M NOT AN ANTI-VAXXER YOU DUMB FUCK My GOD. How many times do I have to say it?! All I'm saying is that I personally don't know if vaccines are 100% BECAUSE I'M NOT A DOCTOR AND I DON'T KNOW. God you're intolerable.

Let me ask you one question. Even if you're right and vaccines cause autism, do you really think that is preferable to fucking polio?

NO YOU STUPID FUCK. I'M NOT AN ANTI-VAXXER. I'M JUST SAYING THE DOCUMENTARY MAKES A LOT OF INTERESTING POINTS. IT'S AN INTERESTING DOCUMENTARY AND I WOULD RECOMMEND IT

OH MY FUCKING GOD. READ MY COMMENTS PROPERLY. You're assuming sooooo much bullshit about me and it's not making you look like a smart or rational person.

You want to know why I'm angry? I'm angry because this kind of stupid shit which, though entirely discredited by rational and peer reviewed sources, continues to be perpetuated by people who, by their own claim, do not know as much as doctors, but are somehow also qualified to be skeptical about something that they have no knowledge or training in instead of listening to the professionals.

You have a lot of confidence for a very ignorant person - and I use the word with dual inference. There have been numerous studies of late exposing the corruption of scientific research. The majority of scientific papers are sponsored and those sponsors fully expect the research to come to conclusions favourable to the donor. I believe in science. REAL science. Trouble is, there's not much around anymore. This corporatocracy we now are in has corrupted even that. Money rules. So, please stop attacking others for their 'anti-science' bent. You, sir, are the fool.

you fucking retard

Just so you know, we don't use that word any more.

Wait, seriously? If I can't say fucking then I am out of here.

You can’t call people “retards”.

I oppose this PC paradigm. Calling people with mental disabilities "retarded" is not okay. We can not let them take away our slurs. There is not a disenfranchised segment of the population that has been historically oppressed for their mental disabilities and treated like second class citizens because of their mental disabilities with the exception of the constraints their disabilities place on them from a strictly medical perspective. We can still use it. Don't give in to the insanity of post structural philosophy, critical theory, Marxism, the Frankfurt school etc.

You (dedragon40) implied inferred that not being vaccinated is preferable over being vaccinated.

and

You don't need a flu vaccine. Old people and children do.

The CDC has lists of who should receive the flu vaccines as a priority during a shortage. Those are the people that should get flu vaccines. Everyone else will be fine because sanitstion, immune systems, and the vulnerable are vaccinated. The fact is that modern medicine combined with healthy immune systems can defeat the flu. The antibody response to any disease is substantially greater than what you get with a vaccine. The literature is widely available. It's a firmly established paradigm in the study of immunology. There is one particular practice that worked with whooping cough and may revolutionize the science, but its application is not yet widespread, and has not been proven as an effective practice for other diseases. See here. Notice the scientific literature even shows that the spread of whooping cough is exacerbated by the failure of the vaccination regimen devised just one generation ago.

Being not sure means you actually believe that vaccines might be really bad. How can you not be sure when the mechanisms for a vaccine is so obvious?

Because I have read the literature on the subject and I'm left with a shadow of a doubt about whether it is safe, and for something that human beings are healthy absolutely don't need like the seasonal flu vaccine, I'm good man. I would rather let my body build long lasting immunity.

Well done comment +1

More info:

This 2003 United Press International article gives some details on the conflicts of interest within CDC: https://www.upi.com/UPI-Investigates-The-vaccine-conflict/44221058841736/

It's pretty fair to both sides of the debate going on at that time. It's long, but informative, and could provide a few leads for others here. I would like somebody to give more details about the royalties. We know individuals within CDC, at least when this article was written, make money from the vaccine industry through a variety of methods. As for the royalties paid to CDC, does that mean the CDC itself gets the money and uses it, or can individuals within CDC receive those royalties, or both?

Something else I noticed that is barely related to this topic is that some Universities also license out vaccines and receive royalties from them. https://www.forbes.com/2008/09/12/google-general-electric-ent-tech-cx_mf_0912universitypatent_slide/#54a2fa4333a1

I’m 25 and will never get a flu vaccine.. I always hear about people getting sick afterwards so FUCK THAT

Upvote this stupid shit to the top!

Think once before you open your mouth.

Anyone trusting the cdc has either not done much research or doesn't get it

ITT: The post is upvoted but new /r/conspiracy mysteriously defends the CDC and vaccines.

Notice the account ages

One of my favorite redditors :)

Well spotted

The only thing this sub seems to trust more than cdc and vaccines lately is the president. Hilarious.

Just like the ADL and SPLC, they are not government agencies yet try to behave as if they are the authority on things, when in truth they are both sue happy lawyer groups that love to make profit off fake hate crime cases.

> The CDC is not an independent agency

It's part of the Federal Government. You don't have to trust it just on that premise alone. But it is a government agency. By Muir's Law, nothing is independent. Tell me why I care.

> It is a vaccine company

Source?

> The CDC owns over 20 vaccine patents

So what? And source, please - generally, government work is public domain.

> It sells about 4.6 Billion Dollars of vaccines every year?

So what?

> Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

So you are taking your information from someone who has descended from power, uses that power to further their agenda, which is increased government control?

It started with good intentions, but their polio vaccine infected a lot of people with a monkey virus called SV40. It causes cancer. This is why cancer rates keep rising.

So they're not allowed to fund themselves? Do you want to slice them off 4.6 billion dollars of tax money?

Because they do research.....

Just glad nobody used a Snope reference.

How autistic

Interesting very interesting!

Is this true?

Is this true?

From one response I found online:

Yes, the CDC vaccine patents are a large portfolio of intellectual property on various aspects of vaccines, because the CDC does a boatload of research on infectious disease, which leads to vaccines. Eventually, they invent something, maybe finding the exact antigen on a virus that induces an immune response, and patent attorneys at the CDC file a patent on that “invention.” It protects the CDC from corporations or individuals who would rely upon CDC inventions, then patent it for themselves. So, the CDC (or any federal science agency, like the NIH, US Geological Survey, or whomever) has a portfolio of patents it can license to anyone who wants to pay for them.

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The OTT reported in 2014 that they had earned royalties of about $138 million across all of the licensed technology from NIH. Remember, CDC technology is only a tiny part of the overall NIH licensing activities. Of that $138 million, 84%, or $116 million, resulted from OTT’s top 20 technologies.

But here’s where it gets interesting, only one of those top 20 technologies was CDC related – immunoreactive peptides for use in an HPV vaccine. Not the vaccine mind you, but just the parts of the proteins that would induce an immune response. Because of nondisclosure agreements, it is difficult to tease out the data of how much of that $116 million was associated with the CDC’s technology. But if we just make all top 20 products equal in value (and the OTT report made it clear one product got the bulk of that money, so this is a really high estimate), the CDC got $5.8 million for the HPV technology.

According to the rules of Federal Government, almost all of the royalties are plowed back into basic scientific research. And if you’re thinking, which I know the anti-vaccine types will be, that the CDC will prostitute itself for $5.8 million, well that kind of ignores a basic bit of information.

The CDC budget is over $7 billion, so this royalty makes up less than the 0.1% of the total CDC budget. Since people usually attribute ethics to others that they do to themselves, maybe Ginger Taylor will sell her intellectual ethics for $5.8 million, but what makes anyone think that the dedicated public servants at the CDC would? Moreover, there is little financial gain for an individual, just for basic scientific research to save human lives.

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The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), whose “debates” are public record, never sit around trying to maximize the value of the patents, because the value isn’t that high (which troubles me about the OTT’s efforts, but that’s another story for another time). The ACIP recommended Gardasil, not because the CDC would get 0.1% more money to pay for those micropipette tips or broken beakers or whatever stuff they use, but because Gardasil prevents HPV-related cancers and is extremely safe.

- CDC vaccine patents – Robert F Kennedy Jr gets this one wrong too

I removed an awful lot of really terrible ad hominem from this, and while I get that these issues get people hot under the collar, it really does't help anyone's argument to be a dick.

I don't know who this man is, but I don't know what happens inside those labs, I don't trust the ones who take care of them, the food industry gives me a very good hint that I shouldn't really trust them, the ways to have a long and healthy life is known for thousands of years and none of you are abble to prove that vaccines are trustworth.

The CDC is actually very important to the science and medical community. They establish guidelines that are followed by nearly every healthcare agency. The CDC’s guidelines are seen as the gold standard in many cases, and are evidenced based.

"Vaccine" is a key word for bot replies, been that way for a while now. Same with GMOs, why would that be?

CDC is not a vaccine company.

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I think the "deny deny no matter what" strategy is modeled after Big Tobacco. When an industry finds out a product is causing widespread public harm, it can either admit and pay up, or deny and cover up. If vaccines are found to cause harm -- especially neurodegenerative diseases -- the liability could be astronomical.

You implied that not being vaccinated is preferable over being vaccinated.

I haven't gotten a flu vaccine in like 15 years, and my health is just fine.

You don't need a flu vaccine. Old people and children do.

vaccines might be really bad or it might just be paranoia. Not sure.

Being not sure means you actually believe that vaccines might be really bad. How can you not be sure when the mechanisms for a vaccine is so obvious? What supports your belief that vaccines might be really bad?

Its reddit... Sometimes you would be surprised.

So how do Russian bots work?

This seems like something Russian bot would say...

Telling me not to spread Fairytales to other people, while you do exactly that, push your atheistic fairy tales of the non-existence of God which takes more gerrymandering and "religion and ignorance to actually believe in. So are you a fool or a bot?

If confirmation bias makes it a "shill site", does that also apply to websites that are anti-vaccine as well?