I've been attacked because I'm a gun owning person on the Left. Don't fall for the propaganda. The Real Left aren't your enemies. We're all fighting for a better future against the Corporatist Neocon/Neolibs who have captured the controlling apparatus of the Republic.

I don't know if you noticed but someone downvoted you in a hurry after you expressed your worry for the lack of empathy towards people with different opinions, so here, take my +1 ;)

Its a mad world out there. The voice of reason is rarely present.

Pseudoliberals, they are like the 3rd wave feminists of political alignment. Utterly retarded and insane. And the world taught them to be that way. We got a lot of problems to address before this side of the spectrum can be sane and whole again.

IMO, identity politics and us vs them mentalities are a large issue to be addressed.

Those are just symptoms of more fundamental issues imho. But you arent wrong.

I'm curious. What fundamental issues? I'm not being sarcastic, I hope my comment isn't received as such

Right now, our acedemia and intelligentsia are contaminated with this shit that is leading to the safespace mentality, and ultimately the pseudolibs. We are seeing the fruits of a 40yr degeneration project by the Soviets play out in front of us. And i'm not talking about gay rights and shit. This was a broader effort of making everything negotiable. So, there is no right and wrong...just a bunch of conflicting radical opinions where "my way is right". Thousands of subgroups that could easily live together, but are convinced the are antithetical.

I'm looking for a video by this old spy that explains it.

Seen that video few times already and its kinda scary how accurately he described the things to come, that we experience in present day situations.

Third wave feminism is just intersectional feminism, it's not some boogeyman version of feminism. It just means modern feminists don't ignore race, sexuality, class, etc.

Not trying to pick a fight here, just saying they do ignore the differences between genders and how society expects them to be.

The forced equal opportunity situations are one of the results of such ignorance of difference, where you get some quota at a profession that must be filled up with women. In order to make room for those positions men gotta get fired only because they're men, and you can bet your bottom dollar that those women won't all get in based on merit and capability of doing the job. Some of them getting in only because the quota needs to be met.

Have you been “attacked” in real life, or by anonymous internet users? Liberal gun owner here...my actual life sees essentially zero drama from this...

I meant in online discourse. Though I did have a local Antifa chapter threaten to doxx me...that was for different reasons tho :P

You are not a bad person. You are a person with common sense. The Main Stream Media is controlled and told what to say to keep us divided.

People are wising up to the MSM propaganda. That is why they are going after the internet now.

Yes, people are waking up to the truth.

I know many non-political types who say they can't stand to watch national news because it is no longer news but anti-Trump propaganda.

you mean the truth?

isn't it funny how you can perfectly decide what media is propaganda, and what is real reporting? you should write a book!

Oh, good, I have a hasbara cyberstalker. Do I get a cut off those sweet, sweet, shekels, that I am earning for you.

oh, your mad that i called you out on your bigotry?

i thought the news was the truth, not propaganda?

Right. Because anyone discussing Israel's criminality is a Nazi.

i see you also enjoy using invalid responses. you aren't a nazi, you are just another account spreading divide amount this website.

i dont think isreal is a nice nation at all. still doesn't' mean they are the reason iran is having water shortages. they are having shortages because they live in a fucking dessert and cant support themselves without international help.

i see you also enjoy using invalid responses. you aren't a nazi, you are just another account spreading divide amoung this website.

The truth is never "invalid," whatever that means. The only divide here is between the hasbara and those of us unwilling to accept Israel's attempts to hide its vast number of crimes.

still doesn't' mean they are the reason iran is having water shortages. they are having shortages because they live in a fucking dessert and cant support themselves without international help.

This is beyond retarded. Is Saudi Arabia not a desert? What could be different here? Israel allows Saudi Arabia to sell its oil, so it doesnt have these problems.

i think its beyond retarded that you think that the reason why iran cant sell oil is because of isreal.

you supported my point about saudia arabia being like the rest of them. without oil to barter, no life there.

i won't go as far to say that you are retarded, (because that form of debate isnt useful, except to create divide). but you are certainty buying into some major us vs them propaganda.

they all just don't fucking like each other. none of them have enough resources for their own people, never mind a neighboring nation. they are all fighting for supremacy over the oil fields.

and in the background, you have america, and britian, who both picked their horse and have supported them for the sake of consistent oil supplies.

They are right. It's sad.

It happens to liberals as well. Liberals are constantly being made to look like a stereotypical cartoon villain.

I wish there was more effort from both sides to talk to each other in a civil way, and try to work out solutions for problems we can at least agree with on how to tackle.

So you want to continue to villainize people like me, a liberal, while not wanting liberals to villainize people like you?

Have you heard the phrase "Be the change you want to see in the world?"

Nothing is going to change when both sides refuse to see each other as human beings instead of villains of the "other side".

And you don't have to go to places like that to see how liberals are villainized. It happens a lot on reddit in various subs, including this one.

I think one solution to all of this hyper polarization is for people of opposing views to meet each other in person, and try to as civil as possible explain their views, how they came to form their views, and as well as possible solutions that both can agree with.

The important part is to start to see the other side as humans and have empathy for each other even if you wind up not agreeing on anything or changing minds.

I'm not attacking you.

You said you didn't villianize anyone or any group but you did.

I'm sorry but pictures of liberals marching with signs speak their own story as do neo-nazi marches. When I see people wanting to abolish government entitles that enforce laws I can't help but think they're ignorant and only care when facebook tells them to.

Do you support government entities being abolished just because they're enforcing laws?

No.

That doesn't make doing the same thing with a different agenda right.

I agree with you.

I live in Portland, OR feel free to DM me and we can meet in a public place to speak.

If you lived closer I wouldn't mind at all meeting up in person. I've thought about starting something up locally where I live where people can talk about issues with people of different political views.

Just to be clear, I do believe in being the change, and if you were to ask those who know me they would argue that I do that on a daily basis.

Glad to hear that

Let's analyse it then.

I'm sorry but pictures of liberals marching with signs speak their own story as do neo-nazi marches.

Why are you sorry about saying that? What story does that tell and why are you comparing liberals marching with signs to neo-nazi marches?

When I see people wanting to abolish government entitles that enforce laws I can't help but think they're ignorant and only care when facebook tells them to.

Calling liberals ignorant and that they only care about what facebook tells them to is a way of villainizing them.

So when you comment that "you want to continue to villainize people like me, a liberal, while not wanting liberals to villainize people like you?" you're doing exactly what you claim is being done to you and calling it good.

No, I'm not calling anything good nor am I attacking you or villainizing you. From my perspective and how I perceived your comment, it looked like you were trying to villainize liberals while not liking it when liberals villainize others. This is not an attempt at villainizing you. I was pointing out a contradiction in the argument.

If it was not your intention to villainize liberals, then I can understand that, but you also have to understand how others like me can misunderstand you when you say things like I've already mentioned.

And I also want to have serious conversations with people I disagree with. This is not directed at you, but I just wish there was more people who want to genuinely talk and discuss these things.

That being said I've seen very few people willing to engage in serious conversations with those they disagree with without having it turn into negativity, victimization, or a personal attack.

So for that sake, lets drop that the previous argument and find some other topic that you would like to discuss with me in a serious genuine way. I'm open to anything.

Love everything you just wrote my man. A lot of Americans feel the same way you do.

It's too bad we're not enough yet. One day

When you can’t win debates with ideas, your only remaining options are character attacks and violence.

This is what we’re seeing come out of the MSM narrative.

what if i told you that this is not a debate about " don't want tax payer funded abortions ". but a debate whether abortions are legal at all. those are two separate issues. there is no state funded abortions for anyone not on assistance, i cant speak for anyone on assistance though. that is a false narrative i hear a lot, and if people realized the difference there wouldn't be much of a fight. the only people left fighting are the ones who want it to be illegal.

The abortion debate should be about when a fetus becomes a life.

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that is a debate, and certain states had set certain cut off times. so from here on out, i'm assuming that you would support common sense abortion, where you aren't killing an already developed person.

We charge murders for 2 lives when someone kills a pregnant women but a women can end that life and not be held responsible.

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i have seen that reference. think about it deeply. what difference is there between when a women chooses to get an abortion *** before the cutoff date, and then someone who fires and injures a pregnant woman who wanted to have a baby, regardless of whether the fetus was developed or not?

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***for the sake of the argument, in the accepted time frame before the fetus develops past a mass of cells into a person
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god i hope you see the extreme difference there.
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non profits provide abortions and resources with tax payer money (because they're not paying taxes)

1. so you are saying" the church" steals from the tax payers as well for not paying property tax, yes?

your idea of tax payed funded abortions is a non profit that raises money from outside sources to provide a service at no profit to the workers or company, to a person who could not afford to do so otherwise, theft from the government tax payers because they do not pay taxes on the money they receive? is yes, then see point 1.

But yes I am against non profits as they've become.

Like all non profits in general? Im interested as to why. Seeing as I am a employee of one.

because that specific non profit supports a cause he doesn't support. so he blanketed it to all non profits. im sorry but i see this type of fallacy a lot. i really am sorry, because the logic isn't there. the passion for a better country. but the logic was replaced by emotions.

im curious, if we are banning abortions, are we banning vasectomies too? that's really where life begins.

Their posts read like angsty teenager that just found out the world isn't a very friendly place. Non-profits aren't a bad thing. He seems to take issue that people are paid to work at them. Which is rather confusing.

But I agree, he doesn't like that non-profit because of abortions, then also stated doesnt give a fuck about abortions.

My take on abortions is pretty much mind your own fucking business. A families decision is their decision. Not mine and i won't impose my views on them. If for whatever reason someone has to take that option, I trust they're weighing all options. It doesn't effect me, so let them deal privately.

exactly. he doesn't like non profits that doesn't fit his moral obligations. he had no problem when i said what about the non-profit status (tax exmept) churches carry? silence, no rage. its rare you find another account that isnt; A. an account aimed twords creating divide. no matter how much logic you throw at them, or B a straight up propaganda slinging account complete with bad english.

my assumption is that the amount of malicious/ fake accounts to real people is 10-1. and i'm not counting throwaways i mean the day to day users that pretend to be people but are't.

so while we abolish non profits, the church pays tax's too now, right? both on income and property.

Luckily IDGAF about abortion so thanks for wasting my time.

logic- i don't fucking card about abortion, so make it illegal.

when cam we make bigots illegal?

Luckily IDGAF about abortion so thanks for wasting my time.

Sure could've fooled me..

Divide and conquer. The problem is never the problem anymore, the problem is something wrong with you and your views. Some people choose to say there is no problem rather than being labeled a problem.

If you think it's okay for children to be kept in cages because of what their parents did, perhaps you are not a good person

You are glowing.

Are they pregnant or something?

Ironically it's you who has been suckered into a false dichotomy, it became obvious when you conflated liberals and socialists.

Most of what you believe about your opponents is most likely misinformation and caricatures judging by that.

Believing that socialism as requested by the liberal left is not a means to a productive society means that I'm a rich bigot who doesn't want to share.

Socialists aren't liberal and liberals aren't socialists. Here's a good start for learning the difference: http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/liberalism-versus-socialism/

Supporting legal immigration laws means that I'm cold hearted, hate children, and want to separate them from their families.

If that's the end result of those laws, then yes, you are.

if I don't want tax payer funded abortions, kids choosing to alter their genes to fit a gender identity, or a regression from trying to right every historical wrong ever done than that makes me a bad person.

Your characterization here is very telling (e.g., "regression").

And how is this a conspiracy?

But yes I am against non profits as they've become.

Like all non profits in general? Im interested as to why. Seeing as I am a employee of one.

Let's analyse it then.

I'm sorry but pictures of liberals marching with signs speak their own story as do neo-nazi marches.

Why are you sorry about saying that? What story does that tell and why are you comparing liberals marching with signs to neo-nazi marches?

When I see people wanting to abolish government entitles that enforce laws I can't help but think they're ignorant and only care when facebook tells them to.

Calling liberals ignorant and that they only care about what facebook tells them to is a way of villainizing them.

So when you comment that "you want to continue to villainize people like me, a liberal, while not wanting liberals to villainize people like you?" you're doing exactly what you claim is being done to you and calling it good.

No, I'm not calling anything good nor am I attacking you or villainizing you. From my perspective and how I perceived your comment, it looked like you were trying to villainize liberals while not liking it when liberals villainize others. This is not an attempt at villainizing you. I was pointing out a contradiction in the argument.

If it was not your intention to villainize liberals, then I can understand that, but you also have to understand how others like me can misunderstand you when you say things like I've already mentioned.

And I also want to have serious conversations with people I disagree with. This is not directed at you, but I just wish there was more people who want to genuinely talk and discuss these things.

That being said I've seen very few people willing to engage in serious conversations with those they disagree with without having it turn into negativity, victimization, or a personal attack.

So for that sake, lets drop that the previous argument and find some other topic that you would like to discuss with me in a serious genuine way. I'm open to anything.

so while we abolish non profits, the church pays tax's too now, right? both on income and property.

Luckily IDGAF about abortion so thanks for wasting my time.

logic- i don't fucking card about abortion, so make it illegal.

when cam we make bigots illegal?

Luckily IDGAF about abortion so thanks for wasting my time.

Sure could've fooled me..

Their posts read like angsty teenager that just found out the world isn't a very friendly place. Non-profits aren't a bad thing. He seems to take issue that people are paid to work at them. Which is rather confusing.

But I agree, he doesn't like that non-profit because of abortions, then also stated doesnt give a fuck about abortions.

My take on abortions is pretty much mind your own fucking business. A families decision is their decision. Not mine and i won't impose my views on them. If for whatever reason someone has to take that option, I trust they're weighing all options. It doesn't effect me, so let them deal privately.

I don't know if you noticed but someone downvoted you in a hurry after you expressed your worry for the lack of empathy towards people with different opinions, so here, take my +1 ;)

Its a mad world out there. The voice of reason is rarely present.