I thought you could get vitaman D from the sun?

at least its a form of LIFE, meat is a form of DEATH

What? You kill plants when you eat them you know that right?

no, you eat fruits, not plants/trees, you know that right?

Oh you're right. I forgot lettuce, carrots, potatoes, rosemary, basil and every other herb and vegetable aren't plants.

how do you worship someone and then kill/eat it? makes no sense to me

they worship cows because of milk, not meat

The vitamin D doesn't come from the sun, it causes your body to produce it. If you don't have sun, eat it via fish oils, like the people who live in the Arctic regions.

Wrong again. Uv helps your body process it. They have lamps to substitute in Arctic

Both of you are correct but imprecise. UV radiation from sunlight converts 7-dehydrocholesterol into D3 which is then processed by your liver into active vitamin D. You can also ingest D2 which is derived from certain plants and your liver will convert it into active vitamin D just like the D3 from sunlight.

Whow this is just absolute bullshit you have no idea what you are talking about.

I say this as an meat eater, flesh and blood is not good for us , and certainly not in the amount we eat in the western world.

If you want to be free from hospital visits, start eating alcaline wholefood plantbased diet.

I did not say anything about whole grain lol , plant based non mucus forming food is what im talking about.

Lol! With no sources to back up your claims. Did somebody make you feel guilty for eating a cheeseburger?

Jesus Christ. So much nonsense just blurted out all at once.

We barely get any "vegan" talk in here, other than the occasional shitpost like this. I guess carnivores need to project some defensiveness every now and then to feel better?

Then it will very easy for you to link 'em up here.

Don't tell us. Show us all this vegan talk.

Until you do, your assertion is as worthless as all the other baseless assertions you posted here.

You: "the vegan conspiracy"

Me: "we barely get any vegan talk in here"

You: "this place has plenty of vegan talk"

Me: "show me"

You: "^"

It's easier to watch the goalposts move if you line them up like this.

If there's a "vegan conspiracy" they sure don't push it very often here. And your misinformed nonsense isn't enough to convince me that there is one.

Ahh. So you're just a troll.

Nobody's stopping you from linking all these "vegan conspiracy" posts. I gave you the invitation to convince me.

I'm sure you'll get around to it.

You keep saying that. A few post links should clear this right up. If there are as "plenty" as you claim, I'm sure you'll be able to link them in no time.

And when weighing your evidence, bear in mind that posts will go further than comments. Sure, enough comments can work too, but posts show the manipulation of the community conversation.

I'll check back later for your wall of links. I gots some work to do.

Now we're on the right track!

So we've got... 11 posts over three years... Let's see... 6 of them are from the last 12 months... Two(!) of them were made in the last one month.

We've got an epidemic of vegan talk here, for sure. This shit gets astroturfed here once every... 3.6 months on average! That's alarming.

Are you sure you don't want to narrow down your date range a bit? I don't want to nitpick your research techniques, but wouldn't it be more thorough to start from new, and just work your way back a month or three? Even a week? Or a day? Your statistics may even improve this way. I didn't think you had the ambition to comb through three years of posts, to come up with 11 posts. Over three years, we've had enough vegan posts to fill up... almost a half hour of conspiracy posts on any average day.

Yes. Two is the bare minimum required to reach "multiple.". Two in a month.

I don't want to discourage you from your research endeavors. But it's kinda hard to make a conspiracy out of 11 posts over three years. At this rate, vegans will take over the world in... Maybe 700 years or so. Optimistically.

If it's a conspiracy, then they'd be... conspiring... to convince us to switch to veganism. If they're trying to spread that message, they're doing a super shit job of it. 11 posts in 3 years is what you came up with. I know it's a bit more than that, but it's still not very much.

If meat is essential for health, how come vegetarians and vegans are alive? Checkmate ignoramus.

While I don't agree with OP's post, isn't this exactly the place to discuss controversial ideas like this? What did you bring to the table in this discussion apart from trying to insult?

I bring the veggies to the table?

He started off claiming some vegan conspiracy, followed by a string of blatantly false to tenuous assertions. I'm pointing out that there isn't much of a vegan conspiracy here if it's not being pushed into conversations here.

He's welcome to provide a shred of proof for any of his claims, but he won't.

You're exactly what's wrong with this sub. I urge you to read the URL, it should say something like r/conspiracy somewhere around the middle.

You've already provided approximately ∞ times more links than he has, for proving or even clarifying any one of his assertions. Hell, if he could even elaborate with some informed clarity, it wouldn't be bad.

You're off to a great start. Keep up the good work.

http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/apple/video.php?v=wshhcLB2znH4j56D01si

Absolute nonsense. Yeah the broccoli industry really lobbying hard out there. Meat and dairy nah good guys factory farming is fine, yeah fuck the planet and the animals.

Grass fed is even more environmentally damaging. Use’s even more resources. 99.9% of people eat factory farmed meat. If you want to go hunt wild game and eat that then fine, morally it’s more ethical, however it’s still loaded with saturated fat and cholesterol. Your post is shit.

No it isn’t, your killing them and shortening their lives for your taste buds. I don’t know where or how that medium exists.

I read recently that it was our learning how to cook that made digestion easier that produced the larger brains?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cooking-up-bigger-brains/

How is your Iodine? Ever heard of phytocompounds? Its part of the plants immune system and recently we have learned they communicate and bolster our immune systems. The opposite of what you think. The human body is designed to eat plants fruit and maybe bugs. Like our ape cousins. You can do whatever you want with yours. It is not my business.

Our ape cousins eat meat all the time, including smaller monkeys for those who are unaware. They will eat pretty much anything they can get their hands on.

Also, if you eat a healthy vegan diet, you can reverse high blood pressure and diabetes.

You obviously do not know what diabetes is.

The body does not need any carb glucid intake, because of its capacity to break down and convert protein into glucid, if needed.

Fat has a low metabolic burn rate, as is "burned" last, if ingested alongside carbohydrates like bread-products or sweets.

There are diets like the Keto diet, which induces the body into a state of ketosis, by taking away all its carbo-intake making it switch priority to burning fat, since there's nothing else to "burn"/absorb for energy.

Fat and carbs are like coal and paper; one is hard to ignite, but gives you a long lasting energy burn, the other can ignite from a single spark, but the fire last but seconds.

I like your analogy, but how about this: protein & fat are quarters and dollars. Alcohol & carbs are pennies and nickels. Our body can stack up pennies and nickles very quickly, so it spends those the most if they are available, while the dollars stack slowly and usually don't get spent at all, eventually ending up in the bank (fat body). Take away all that loose change and our bodies start making better transactions.

Thanks for the input, it actually is better practical analogy.

I was visually distinguishing betwen the burn rates of each element,but yours works better in context, since enough paper can still be used to ignite the coal, using carbs to get rid of fats is the opposite of what you should be doing.

I’ll never understand why anyone gives a shit about what other people eat.

Bc it is librul commie way to enslave freee murica

Vegans think eating animals is wrong. They say we don't have to eat meat, so why kill animals?

You got your ordering off there jack. We got bigger brains, which allowed us to develop tools, which allowed us to migrate to cooler climates, which required us to hunt meat.

As the pro-vaxx people are fond of saying: Correlation does not equal causation!

How did we develop tools with which to kill and fire with which to cook with our teeny weenie brains? You have the order reversed. Or, rather, you see a correlation (while ignoring critical details) and assume causation that supports the narrative that "coincidentally" boosts business for the pharmaceutical industry.

Go catch and eat a deer without tools. Hell, try a chicken. Raw. Put it on YouTube. I'll wait.

Note that the alternative is delicious mangoes, bananas, papayas... Because you still live in the tropics where you won't freeze to death. (Hint: You don't know how to make fire yet, let alone clothing and shelter.)

Yeah all these fruit-eating monkeys just gumming their lunch... Come on dude.

Humans are a tropical species. One look at our (lack of) body hair should tell you that. Live in the tropics, eat local fruit year-round. Or live in elsewhere and lean on technology. It's up to you I suppose.

I'm saying that's what our digestive system is designed for. Straying from that primate diet causes all manner of health problems, from heart disease to cancer. Most people pay better attention to how they fuel their car than how they fuel their body.

why would humans eat a primate diet we are not primates and did not "evolve"from apes

Yeah they'd be difficult to get into. I'd stick to easier fruits myself.

Veganism is perfectly healthy for all stages of the life cycle. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

Where do you think animals get these vitamins from anyway? These days even meat-eaters should be supplementing their B12.

Veganism is perfectly healthy for all stages of the life cycle.

That couldn't possibly be farther from the truth.

It is. Read the link.

The real question is how often you need meat, once maybe twice a month most likely, people definitely don't need $1 burgers, life should not be so cheap

its already subsidized heavily, why not just take those away, and CAFOs are horrendous, those get all kinds of exemptions for pollution, you seem a little ignorant

I tried that vegan diet before. I found it like I had more energy, but for less time. Like cycling a 10-speed, on the highest gear; peddling fast, but not going very far. As opposed to a meat only diet, it would take a while to get my body moving, but it was moving much faster once things got into motion. I think a balanced diet with meat and veggies and fruit are okay.

Whenever someone says that humans should only eat this or that, I simply turn to nature. Are there any animals who only eat fruits and veggies? I can't think of too many. On the other, there are many animals who primarily eat meat. And that's that.

Good video.

The best argument I've heard against eating meat is by Bill Carr. He basically says that it is unnatural for humans to eat meat. Why? Because if it were natural we wouldn't have to season it (cook it?), and basically eat it as is and enjoy it. If eating meat was natural and good, why do we need to prepare it, and not eat it immediately? Where as fruits and veggies can be eaten without much preparation. Carr also pointed out that in the animal kingdom, lions and other primarily meat eaters were very lethargic as compared to their primarily non-meat eaters.

I still do what I want and what makes me feel good. Personally, I think humans are at the top of the food chain. With that in mind, I don't eat every living thing on this planet. I don't eat rats, pigs, horses, and bats, and a lot of other things. That is just me. People do what they want.

Whenever someone says that humans should only eat this or that, I simply turn to nature.

That doesn't make any sense. Appeal to nature fallacy.

Humans are humans, not other animals, so why would you base what you eat of other animals? Plus, we don't live in wild nature, do we?

So far I have learned in the comments that : I am full of parasites, unhealthy, not following the “ daily alliances “. Rest assured, as someone who was bit by a tick and can not consume anything that has animal protein since the age of 2. As for OP...... he’s got all the answers.... right? There is no conspiracy. Period

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Eating meat did not increase our brain sized. It's vaguely theorized that cooking it may have. Also, the factory farms providing most of the meat we consume are absolutely abbhorent with their practices and destruction/pollution of the environment. I would sooner rise up against factory farming/agriculture giants of evil long before I'd ever accuse vegans of being a nefarious conspiracy.

the vegan diet is a trap for fools set by rich people so you save all the meat for them you useless eaters

This is literally just unsubstantiated lies. Anyone believing this got trolled hard.

Ahh. So you're just a troll.

why would humans eat a primate diet we are not primates and did not "evolve"from apes